0:00
still see it now his body's next door
0:02
his neighbors are dead on the lawn just
0:03
being killed and houses are on fire and
0:05
he's just washing his car and his two
0:07
kids are running around chasing each
0:10
and so when you say that that's that
0:13
always stays in my mind you know
0:21
so i then joined the parachute regiment
0:23
i had a great career you know i would
0:27
northern ireland unfortunately lost a
0:29
lot of people on that you know so i've
0:31
gone into this grown business now where
0:35
cyprus again was a un tour believe it or
0:38
not it was forced to build sunshine but
0:39
the terrorist attack while were there
0:41
killed a number of people
0:43
so i grew through this sort of military
0:45
regime and i knew at some point it's a
0:47
bit like being a football player you
0:49
know for a sunday league team and you go
0:50
right who's the top of the league i want
0:52
to be in that league and i knew the ses
0:55
was the best and at the time i knew they
0:57
were good but and i can say this on any
1:01
the sas are the best in the world i've
1:03
worked with delta the seals the specs
1:05
now i've worked with all against all of
1:07
them and we are the best in the world so
1:08
i knew that's where i wanted to go
1:11
to get into the sas you have to have
1:13
done at least five years service which
1:16
a number of operational tours and then
1:18
you go on selection sas selection you
1:20
apply to go on it when i went on state
1:22
selection it was almost like going back
1:24
to being 17 again so i'm now still on a
1:30
and again you look at everybody you
1:32
always do we all do you go well he looks
1:34
good he looks better than me these look
1:39
as the days went by the lumber got
1:41
smaller and i started to believe in
1:42
myself and think you know i could do
1:45
and again at the end of it 183 started
1:50
not looking number seven
1:51
and then i went in to join my squadron
1:54
and again we talk about
1:57
memory oh sorry uh mindset and image now
2:00
if i say to you guys here i'm going to
2:01
bring on five ses guys
2:04
you naturally probably think six foot
2:06
six v-shape all big dudes like this guy
2:08
here yeah and i thought the same as i
2:10
went through selection because you don't
2:11
meet the sas guys until you get there
2:14
so i'd finish election i was slim but
2:17
and i went to b squadron and i walk into
2:20
b squad and interest room is where all
2:21
the guys hang out and i actually thought
2:23
i'd walked into the council estate
2:26
i'm looking around expecting all these
2:27
big super fit dudes and i look around
2:29
there's guys with beer bellies bulldogs
2:34
but what was unique about these people
2:36
was what was inside their head
2:38
and i remember right day one i'm looking
2:40
around it's a big guy and he was big he
2:43
huge guy he's making a cup of tea and he
2:46
looks at me he said uh
2:48
hey nipper do you want to go for a run i
2:53
anyway we went out the front gate
2:55
i saw the soul of his
2:57
shoe for about 50 meters i never seen
2:59
him again he left me for dust
3:01
and i got back in there and i went it
3:03
definitely ain't about the image it's
3:05
about what's between your ears
3:09
um i've entered this new world and
3:12
the sergeant major walks it and met us
3:14
on me and he looked like catwoman he
3:17
does down he's got a rolling cigarette
3:19
in his mouth and he walks in he goes
3:21
somebody's about to get killed in a
3:23
country blah blah blah we've got 48
3:25
hours to go and save him let's go do it
3:26
i'm like what the is going on
3:29
and then he turns around and he goes
3:31
what's your name on the newest guy there
3:32
he goes i says billy he goes right
3:35
how are we going to do this in front of
3:36
all his i'm like i haven't got a clue so
3:39
at that point i shut my pants i'm like i
3:42
but he says well tell me what would you
3:43
do so i'll come up with an idea and
3:45
he'll not too bad but get everybody
3:47
together now and we put this plan
3:48
together and off we went and did this
3:50
job and i was saying and i was thinking
3:53
why is this world i've just entered it's
3:55
crazy we went out to a foreign country
3:57
we did the job we came back
3:58
and it's just like nobody talked about
4:00
it's like yeah back to normal what we're
4:02
doing tomorrow it's just a crazy crazy
4:06
so the mindset that's what
4:09
the sas apart from everyone else yeah
4:12
do you think so if you think growing up
4:14
were you dead obviously being a torah a
4:18
you had that mindset or can you be
4:22
i think it's difficult to teach at that
4:24
sort of level about that age group it's
4:27
what you how you grow up you know
4:30
what set me in good stead was i had a
4:32
heartbreak of upbringing and most of our
4:34
brought on myself to trouble but being
4:36
street wise knowing you know i wasn't
4:39
academically smart but i was kind of
4:41
street smart you know what's right and
4:42
wrong but i just knew
4:47
than you know or i thought i could do
4:49
better than i actually could and i
4:50
wasn't afraid to go for it and i wasn't
4:52
afraid to get part of my ass and fail
4:54
and get up and go again and that mindset
4:56
was ingrained from that very early age
5:00
as you get into the regiment you then
5:03
realize where you are and
5:06
everything we did in the regiment
5:07
everything was against us we never had
5:09
anything in our favor and the biggest
5:11
thing we always get against is time we
5:12
never have enough time
5:14
but whenever we look at a problem we
5:15
always just say right there will be an
5:17
option there's got to be a way we can do
5:20
and there is and if you dig deep enough
5:22
there is you've just got to find it
5:23
persevere with it and go for it and
5:25
that's the same if you want to relate
5:27
back to where you are now where you're
5:28
training you want to get to a certain
5:30
it's hard it's going to be tough
5:31
nothing's going to be easy but you can
5:32
do it and you've got to call for it and
5:33
you've got to do it chunked by a chunk
5:35
and then going back to your career in
5:36
the ses you know as you fought all
5:39
around the world all these crazy places
5:42
is there one place or one
5:44
tour in particular that was a really
5:46
difficult tour for you
5:48
i think it was and like united relate to
5:50
what's happening today bosnia if you for
5:53
the younger generation if you remember
5:55
what happened in bosnia it was just
5:57
the hardship about bosnia was going over
6:00
there it's literally on our doorstep
6:02
going into europe and seeing the
6:05
atrocities of what had happened you know
6:07
trying to get your head around how all
6:09
these people have lived together for so
6:10
long then everybody turned on each other
6:14
you know it was it was modern day hitler
6:16
going up just like we're seeing today in
6:18
ukraine history repeats itself so when i
6:20
got out there there was three groups of
6:22
people fighting with each other and
6:24
trying to get your head down the
6:25
political scenario the situation trying
6:27
to the best to help people but it was
6:29
really difficult when you just saw
6:31
neighbors that lived together for years
6:33
and they just turned on each other and
6:37
and then in every war location i've been
6:40
there's a surreal moment something just
6:43
is crazy and i remember in bosnia going
6:45
through a village that had just been
6:47
cleansed for a better word i guess
6:49
smashed bodies everywhere
6:51
in the street and and right in the
6:55
is a house and a guy washing his car bmw
7:00
like he's like just bizarre i could
7:01
still see it now his body's next door
7:03
his neighbors are dead on the lawn just
7:05
being killed and houses are on fire and
7:07
he's just washing his car and his two
7:09
kids are running around chasing each
7:12
and so when you say that that's that
7:15
always stays in my mind you know but the
7:17
other thing that says is that how we
7:18
could actually operate how that could
7:20
happen that was only in the 90s 95 96
7:25
this happen after what we learned from
7:26
the second world war with hitler but it
7:28
does and it's happening right now again
7:31
that's that always sticks to my mind
7:33
ridiculous and now horrible conflict and
7:35
more research and then how does it so
7:37
when you see this you go into these
7:39
war-torn places you see
7:41
dead bodies women children men whatever
7:45
and then mentally that must affect you
7:47
right can it come out but now have you
7:49
had any experience with mental health
7:52
afterwards or have you been pretty
7:54
strong i'm going to be very honest with
7:55
you i mean i know there's a lot of
7:56
problems with men i'll find out i'd be
7:59
you know i have my dark moments yeah you
8:01
know when a smile sound will remind me
8:03
of something or just like now talking
8:05
about it it's now in my head
8:10
drag me down i'll talk about it i'll
8:14
you know by doing that allows me to sort
8:16
of release it and i'll tell you what my
8:17
decompression for everything is fitness
8:21
if i feel miserable down i'll just go
8:22
around just go for a run a jog of war
8:24
whatever it is and it just allows me
8:26
settle myself down and just move forward
8:28
so i've been very very fortunate not to
8:31
mental issues at all you know but you
8:33
know i think about i have dark moments
8:34
but i just say to myself it's done i
8:36
can't change it you've got to move
8:38
forward and as tough as that is you've
8:41
just got to pick yourself up you can't
8:42
sit there in what i call a pity party
8:44
because the only person who can drag it
8:46
out of it is you because nobody knows
8:48
what's in your head in your mind over
8:50
and the fact that if you're all good
8:52
enough to admit it and talk about it
8:54
have a cry if you need to upgrade so
8:56
what but you've got to do it you've got
8:57
to do that you can't just sit there and
8:59
let it and that's what's happening today
9:01
the guys i've been with seeing the same
9:03
amount i've seen been in these
9:04
situations and they just bottle it up
9:06
you can't follow you've got to do
9:07
something to decompress whether it's
9:09
fitness talking about it and there's
9:11
people out there to help as well so just
9:13
don't be afraid to talk about it but
9:15
it's never bothered me
9:18
so i think that's a huge thing because
9:20
jimmy you're one of the most alpha man
9:22
i've ever met you've done all these i
9:24
mean you've saved the same ass basically
9:26
you know and for you to be able to be
9:28
open and talk about it you know that
9:30
gives us all the right to be able to be
9:32
open and talk about absolutely any
9:33
issues we're having because the more we
9:35
talk about that we can't get through it
9:37
you know i think you say it's happened
9:38
to us but um i think that's a
9:41
huge thing it's just to
9:43
take ownership of ourselves more and not
9:48
to blame other things absolutely yeah
9:50
exactly don't make excuses and again
9:53
talking about the way the world is today
9:55
don't make excuses for people that are
9:56
making mistakes be honest and tell them
9:59
you know that's wrong don't do that you
10:01
know don't don't cover up all this
10:03
that's what we do today we're all too
10:05
scared biggest thing missing in the
10:06
world today is the truth you're too
10:08
scared to tell the truth because we're
10:09
going to upset somebody well you know
10:11
life's about getting upset it's about
10:13
bouncing back from being upset because
10:14
that's where you learn your lessons
10:15
that's when you grow when you're
10:16
uncomfortable you make mistakes
10:19
i always say you know you can make a
10:20
mistake just don't keep repeating it if
10:23
you repeat it it's a problem it's not a
10:24
mistake anymore problem you've got a
10:26
problem you need to sort that out
10:27
so don't be afraid to make mistakes but
10:30
don't lie about it don't try and cover
10:31
it up or be open about and learn from it
10:34
thank you so much guys much appreciated
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we'll be on later on have a good day
10:39
stay spicy guys thank you enjoyers