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Jul 8, 2025
#christianpodcast #biography #luciferian This is the last speech of James Traficant, the man who challenged the Israel lobby and paid the ultimate price. Don't miss this tremendous story of the life of James Traficant. You can find much more about the Zionist power structure that is controlling American foreign policy in the episodes in this playlist of "Those We Don't Speak Of" with Oddman Out.... Those We Don't Speak Of With Oddman Out: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3ZZN-hESArr0n6vGlxbGvK_MQNxY-rAg
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Now, former Congressman James Traffic goes on the record in his first interview since his release from prison.
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Now, eight days ago, he walked out of a federal prison after serving a seven-year sentence for bribery and racketeering. Earlier, the former
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Democratic congressman went on the record about life in prison, whether he's planning a political comeback, and so much more.
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Nice to see you, sir. I'm glad to be here. Good to see you again. But to tell you the truth, Greta, I'm glad to be anywhere.
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Besides, besides prison for what? I come from seven years up at Rochester. I want to say hello to Dre Maddox and
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Freddy Mcnite and all those guys up there. A lot of good guys I met. They're sort of like family in a way. It's a different experience.
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So, you made friends in prison. Absolutely. You know, Nelson Mandela made a statement. He said, "If you really want to know the truth about a
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nation, you've got to go through their prisons." And believe me, he's right. And I learned an awful lot about America
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going through the prisons. Before we get to prison and all about America, I have to ask you a headline question. Ready?
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Don't say it because I'm going to get personal. I'm going to ask. Get at me. Get at me, Greta. All right. Are you going to run for
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Congress again? I don't know yet. There's a lot of people that want me to run for Congress. You know, I was the number one target of
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the American Israeli public affairs committee and the number one target of the Justice Department since 1983, being
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the only American to ever defeat him pro in Rico trial. And I have big enemies, but I have some
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grudges and I want to go at him. I want to go at him big time, Greta. So, I have
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to see first of all if I'm viable and and second of all, if the people would support me. They came in here and they
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fractured this district. They broke it up certainly to make it tougher. I think they also felt they gave me a life
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sentence that I would never survive in prison. Then they came to me and said if I said I was guilty, I might even get a
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pardon. And I told them to shove the pardon up their derriè sideways. So here I am. And if I do run, get your best
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hold cuz I will be running downhill with my tails flapping in the wing wide open.
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What are the odds you're going to win? I mean, not you're going to win, but what are the odds you're going to run? the odds and I've saved all comments for
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your show because number one, I think you have a great show. Number two, I think you're fair and that's not trying to patronize you. I know you're going to ask some tough questions and I'm going
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to embarrass you before it's over. But I would say at this point it's 50/50 and I have a lot of people that are
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encouraging me to run because there's so many disenfranchised people. so many especially in this area and one of the
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concerns I have is I come home to is we have deli here the salaried workers that
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were completely cut out and lost their pension benefits that it's going to be almost a $250 million impact to this
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general community and when you look at it nationally Ohio is going to be hit real hard state
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of Ohio is going to get hit with about $1.5 billion in loss money economic
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generation because of this decision and I feel and you know my record if we could take care of people all over the
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world. Damn it. Take care of those deli celery workers. And I expect it to be done. I mean, I'm on your show here
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asking you and asking mayor to look at this plight because we have here 9500
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workers. They're going to lose their pension benefits. They're going to have to pay for their hospitalization benefits. It's an immediate out of cost
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pocket of $50 million with a contributing factor of a multiplication of two for the general metropolitan area
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of a quarter of a billion dollar impact on an economy that lost steel mills years ago and has been left behind.
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All right, grudges. Can't have it. Can't have it. I said you said you had some grudges. Who are your grudges against? Well, number one, and my wife constantly
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reminds me to tone down. I brought that guy back from Israel, John Deck. It was
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my Freedom of Information Act which proved not only that he was innocent, but who Ivan really was. The case was so
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sensitive, members of Congress would say, "Jim, I love you, but please don't involve me." I sent my evidence to the
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Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati. They wouldn't accept it. I finally sent it over to Israel to the Israeli Supreme
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Court and they called me over there and I went with the family. I did a live interview satellite with Brian Gumble
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and I said, "When they put this innocent man to death, they're going to lose 15 to20 billion dollars every year they get
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from the American taxpayers." And Brian Gumble says, "What are you talking about? They only get $3 billion." And I said, "Brian, that's only the foreign
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aid bill. Look at all the other trade compacts, economic assistance, military assistance." I'm saying this to you
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right now. Israel gets approximately $15 billion a year from the American taxpayers. That 15 15 billion is $30,000
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for every man, woman, and child. And people in my district are losing their pension benefits. So I was targeted big
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time by the Israelis. The Israeli Supreme Court looked at the evidence, could not refute it, and it
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came from the Justice Department, Greta, and they said, "Take him home." I brought him home and he was bombarded
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ever since. Home to Ohio. Now he's in Germany fighting for his life. Now, let me say this. Prosecutor
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Moscowitz of the OSI office of the United States Justice Department suborned perjury with Otto Horn. The
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documents clearly state who Ivan the Terrible was. A man named Ivan Marenko, not Demonic, and they had to release
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him. And now they can't live with it. They couldn't live with Jim Trafocant having beaten him in 1983. That was a
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walking symbol of defiance. And now they have this man in Germany. And if someone doesn't look into this, the American
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people should be ashamed of himself. When you allow one American to be violated, you threaten the freedoms of
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every American, and I can't understand this, why no one in Congress is raising their voice. And the reason is very
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simple, and this may be you don't want to hear. I don't know, and I certainly don't want to hurt you on your show. You
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have one of the best. You're fair. But I believe that Israel has a powerful strangle hold on the American
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government. They control both members of the House, the House and the Senate. They have us involved in wars of which
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we have little or no interest. Our children are coming back in body bags. Our nation is bankrupt over these wars.
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And if you open your mouth, you get targeted. And if they don't beat you at the poll, they'll put you in prison. All right. Two quick things. One is the
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Israelis released him in back to United States. Right. The Israeli Supreme Court. And I give them credit. I give them credit time.
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All right. The second thing is is Israel is a democracy and is our ally. Yes, they are. Um so you have no
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and they should be our ally. They are our friends over in that troubled part of the world. So explain to me what you see as you know why you target or why
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you have a grudge against the Israelis. The grudge is not necessarily a grudge.
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It's an objective assessment that no one will have the courage to speak about.
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They're controlling much of our foreign policy. They're influencing much of our domestic policy. Wolawitz is under
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secretary of defense manipulated President Bush number two back into Iraq. They pushed definitely definitely
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to try and get Bush before he left to move into Iran. We're conducting expansionist policy of Israel and
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everybody's afraid to say it. They control much of the media. They control much of the commerce of the country and
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they control powerfully both bodies of the Congress. They own the Congress. Are you an anti-semite?
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No, I'm not. And that's exactly what they're going to say, and I expect that. What I am is an American. You see, I think America comes first. And we have a
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one-sided foreign policy in the Middle East. and we've alienated Arabs who have no way of fighting. So what they've done and I predicted this on the House floor
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is they would export violence to America and they have. They have no other way to fight. I think President Obama knows
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this. I think he sees this. I think he wants to do something. I think his hands are tied and I think he's dancing
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between the raindrops trying to figure how I can politically machinate some scenario to mitigate these problems.
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Greta, I'm saying this. America is in danger if America doesn't take back the
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government without foreign influence interference.
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I don't know what you're so glad about. The FBI and IRS is out writing down your
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license plate numbers. Hey, I'm glad to be here.
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I'm glad to be anywhere. We've just heard a bunch of speakers.
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They get better every time. I keep saying that uh Larry's not here,
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BCraft, but everybody should hear him. There he is in the back. Everybody in Congress should hear you. And Big Dan,
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you could sell anything. But that gold looks good. And where's Russell Ty?
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you better get in here because they're going to pick him up before long. I can remember a speech I made in the
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House floor. They were debating the CIA budget. And I said, you know,
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we learned about the invasion of Kuwait on CNN. We learned about the collapse of the Berlin Wall on CNN. We learned about
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the implosion of the Soviet Union on CNN. Why fund the CIA? Hired a CNN.
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It made national news. CNN used it as a TV ad for months. Congress made them take them out and they did whole one
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story onepage uh ads out in Los Angeles. But the point I'm making is that a lot
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of those agencies aren't that damn good. And we've known for a long time they've
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been spying on us. We've got a problem.
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And the amazing thing about it is it crushes me at this time in my life as I honestly got to believe I was somebody
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that could have made a significant difference. When I ran for Congress, I wasn't
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endorsed by any party, not one newspaper, no labor unions,
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nothing. And had one of the biggest votes in all of Congress.
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How did you do it? I'm going to answer those questions after it's over. Just cuz you're the boss don't mean you could interrupt.
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[Applause] That's right. But anyway, let me tell a
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little about myself because you're going to read about me in the history of books. All you have to do is go to the law library.
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I get indicted every 10 years, get convicted intermittently.
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I have a unique distinction of being the only American in the United States history to defeat the United States
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Justice Department in a RICO trial full jury verdict prosay without being an
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attorney. I'm so proud of that.
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After it was over, the judge stated that come back to me. She told some people
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that he was born an attorney. She said, "But he made the three FBI agents look like Larry, Mo, and Curley when he got
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him on the stand." And that was the truth. But the bad part of that was I
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had a bullseye on my back. Then I ran for Congress. All you could
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read in the papers about me was, you know, you can't have this guy. You don't want this guy. And people elected me
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overwhelmingly. I went to Congress and I passed some of the significant legislation that affects
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you in your life right now and you're not familiar with.
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Prior to 1998 tax reform law, you went to civil trial in the tax court
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and 95% of tax trials were civil court, you were guilty and had to prove your innocence.
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I won in 1985. One of the very first bills I submitted was when the IRS litigates in a civil
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trial the burden of proof transfers from the taxpayer to Internal Revenue Service, they should be able to maintain
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through litigation their accusation for cause. I almost got in a fist fight with Dan
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Rosenowski and I was a Democrat. Democrats targeted
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me too because I said for 50 years you controlled this place
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and you've written every one of these laws that on election day you turn to people
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against each other, rich against poor, black against white, separate politics of division. And then after it's over,
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you go in that back room and give those tax breaks for the rich. So Democrats, you can't have it both ways. They didn't
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like that coming from the son of a truck driver. Democrat
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with a target on his back. Rosenowski wouldn't hold a hearing.
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Later on in my career down there, powerful members from Ohio and Pennsylvania wanted to put me on the
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Ways and Means Committee, Taxes and Trade. They felt I was the guy.
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Rosenowski told chairman Jack Murtha who was head of the delegation.
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I'll never take drive again. I can't have him.
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So there's an old football player from the University of Pittsburgh. I played football Mike Dicki. You may know Mike on the NFL games ESPN. So Mike's from
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Chicago. Played ball in Chicago. I called Mike. I said, "Call Rosenowski. See what you could do." He called me back. He said, "Man, he's adamant. He
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didn't want to hear nothing about you. So they go to talk with Rosenowski again
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and he gave me the greatest compliment I ever had. He says, "I can't take
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trafficking. I'll never pass another free trade agreement. I'll never pass another tax
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increase." And Mera says, "What are you talking about, Dan? You got 45 members."
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He said, "Trafficking is not normal. Traffic is not normal." He said he'll
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have senior citizens picketing my damn Chicago office.
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That guy gets the country excited and I don't need it.
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He was right. There had been no more NAFTA, Shafta, GATA,
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none of it. We're in trouble. But now back to that bill. Dan
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Rosenowski and I almost had a damn fight over it. The Republicans come into office and the
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first thing they did is they were going to reform Internal Revenue Service. Let me just say this about the word reform. There's no such thing as reform. That
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never happens. They change a few numbers. I think Larry educated everybody. I don't have to spend any time on it.
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But here we go. Bill Archer, the new chairman of Ways and Means from Texas. And I believe if young Bush would have
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made him his secretary of the treasury, you would have have implemented the law
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that I believe I could have passed that I'm going to talk to you about today that I think should be the freedom movement in America.
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This is no longer a tax problem. This is a problem of freedom and we're going to discuss it. But Archer called me and
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said, "Jim, I want to put your burden of proof in this comprehensive reform." He said, "But the IRS said they'll
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recommend a veto to Clinton if it has a trafficking provisions."
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I said, "Hell, chairman, let him veto it. Why don't we stand up? What is this
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government by executive order?"
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He said, "Listen, I'll come back to it next year. We'll try and take it up on its own, and that's passing the buck. You know, nothing's going to happen."
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So, it came to the floor. I said on the House floor, I'm going to vote for this thing. It's a feel-good bill. It's not
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going to do anything. I got a call that night about 8:00. It
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was Chairman Archer. He said, "Jim, you know, we have the House bill, Senate has their bill, and
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we're going to conference now on the differences." He said, "But I want to tell you something." He said, "I've never experiencing anything like it in
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my political life." See, we've been inundated with phone calls and messages around the country.
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They want the traffic and burden of proof bill in that reform.
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I was humbled. Here's what there's a little chairman from Texas, Bill Archer, American hero. Here's what he said. I'm
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going to put it in in conference. Folks, one of the few times in the history of the United States, Congress,
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a significant piece of legislation, not discussed nor a part of either of the
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House or Senate bill, was placed into the bill and then brought back to each respective body for a vote. Now, here's
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what the trafficking law said. The IRS comes out to audit you. The taxpayer
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can't tell them to go to hell. They have a responsibility to justify the claim
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they filed. Now, I don't want to get into all the technicalities about ratified and the truth and the legality
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because when you get to court, like Larry said, those gurus aren't going to be with you.
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But I said if that taxpayer does not tell them to go to hell, provides them with the information relative to their
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return and the IRS is not satisfied and chooses to litigate. As soon as they
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litigate, that burden of proof transfers from the back of the taxpayer to the back of the Internal Revenue Service.
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Second of all, it says no more coming around and just grabbing properties. They must
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give you notice and you must have the right to contest their taking.
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He put it in the bill. Come back to both bodies. Both bodies pass it.
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Conference report. Now the bill goes to President Clinton. Robert Novak, the esteemed conservative
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TV host and he liked me. He didn't like anybody. I'm on his show and he says, "Jim," he
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says, "Listen, I'm with you 100%." He said, "But let's tell like it is." He says, "The
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IRS has recommended a veto to Clinton." I said, "I know." I said, "I'm going to be doing a debate with the director, the
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commissioner of the IRS through the Wall Street Journal here, and I'm hoping that uh Clinton will read it." He said, "What
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do you think our chances are?" And this is exactly what I said on the national TV. I said, "They don't call Bill Clinton slick Willie for nothing.
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He could veto the bill and help those IRS workers, or he could sign that bill and help the American people.
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Now they have the debate. Me and the IRS commissioner, an acting
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commissioner, a woman, I don't remember her name. Her name wasn't important to me.
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She says, "If you have this trafficking provision, dead beats are going to get over. We're going to have to have strict
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enforcement." I said, "Give me an example." And here's the example she cited. I want you to
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imagine a person says they give $1,000 a week to the church.
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We have to do a net worth. We got to go to their neighborhood. We got to look at their lifestyle there.
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I said, "Why don't you ask for a receipt and go to church?"
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He said, "Let's tell it like it is." He said, "Mr. Travagant, how can the Internal Revenue Service prove a
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negative?" I said, "Beam me up.
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I said, 'How can a taxpayer prove the negative? You're accusing.
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You must have ample cause to point your finger at that taxpayer with all the power to federal government leaning on
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them. And if you don't have enough to carry it in court, get your damn finger off them.
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Conference report, the bill goes to President Clinton. He signed a bill
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I was the only Democrat invited to the press conference of that Republican bill
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because I was an unusual member. I didn't care whose legislation it was. If it was good for the country, I didn't
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care if it was Democrat or Republican. I was going to vote for it. It's the way it was.
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Guess what happens, folks? They do an analysis of this reform law, Larry, and
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they take a 12-mon snapshot when the burden of proof is on the taxpayer and a 12-mon snapshot after the enactment of
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the bill. When the burden of proof transferred to the Internal Revenue Service, three major categories impacted. Number one, wage garnishments.
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When the taxpayer had the burden of proof, 3.1 million Americans had their wages garnished.
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when that burden approved transferred to Internal Revenue Service 560,000
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3 million less second category property leans
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taxpayer with the burden 677,000 IRS with the burden 161,000
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and you know when your property is lean you're a businessman you're done but the big one was individual family-owned
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homes seized by the Internal Revenue Service when taxpayer had the burden 10,073
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with the burden on the IRS 57 homes. [Applause]
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The biggest file at NSA, CIA, FBI, and IRS got my name on it.
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I was getting to be dangerous. When something happened in the country,
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I got the information. Russell didn't get in here, but if you
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want to hear about an amazing thing, I'm the congressman that
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took on the Demonia case, who was convicted of being Ivan the Terrible of Trebinka,
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Cleveland auto worker. His members wouldn't talk to him. Senators wouldn't talk to him. Been to everybody's in the whole place was too sensitive. So they
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come in to me and they said, "We didn't want to come to the gym. We know the government hates him." Well, the newspapers the next day said,
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"Trafficking supports a Nazi mass murderer." How's that for PR?
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They didn't put Bob in there that when the family come in, they said, "Don't take them. If you sit with this family,
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your career's over." And I heard the boy say, "I never had a parking ticket. I just want to meet with somebody in
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office. I'm a citizen."
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I said, "Send him in." They didn't put this in the paper. I said, "If your father is guilty of any
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heinous crane, uh, any heinous crime involving any of this business,
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I could pull the switch. I believe your gutless congressman and senators
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should have sat down with you and your family and given you the courtesy." They said, "Jim, please look into this.
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My father's not evil. What saved his life was that headline,
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Travagan supports Nazi mass murder because people in the government said,
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"Here's somebody that will do something with it." Next thing you know, bang, I
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get a couple forms, originals. This key witness, Otto Horn, that supposedly worked on the line with Ivan,
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who testified that it was Demen. Well, two years before they took Demenyuk to take his citizenship away. They
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interviewed him in Berlin and they showed him photographs. He couldn't identify him. But when he went to trial, he said he identified Miss Ivan. So I
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knew they were lying. So I ran a foyer Freedom of Information
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Act investigation. Traffic and traffic file 13 on Demick. I
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called the staff in. And I said, "Was there ever anybody at Trebinka concentration camp in Poland that was
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subject to a criminal trial?" And bingo, they come back with Theodore Federeno, a
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Chicago man, Ukrainian like Demen. He was acquitted. Went to visit his family in the old country, picked up by the KGB
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and executed. Guarantee you our government had their fingerprints on that.
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Well, I submitted for you on Federinko. Travant Travian file 13. They all knew who I was. Believe me.
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I get a small packet from the state department, two telegrams, one information about the trial. Then one telegram went out and
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gave the names of four people who testified. But there was a bottom of the telegraph. Stop.
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Be advised there's another 100 pages in file if necessary. Stop. I called on the phone. I won't tell you
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the name. It was a black woman. She knew me. She liked me. Cuz I don't want to get you in trouble, but this man's dead.
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This classified business gone too far. I want those documents. She said, "I'll get them to you, Congressman."
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They tried for years to get me to tell who that was. Never said it.
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When I got it, there were 17 people to testify. They all testified Ivan was taller than Demany. He didn't have
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blonde hair like Demond. He had black hair. He had a long scar on his neck. And his name was Ivon Marenko.
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Now, all the members of Congress, stay away from me, man. You're crazy. What a fool, man. What's wrong with you?
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Please, Jim, don't bring it to me. I asked for a hearing. This is too sensitive. I said, since when
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the sensitivity waved the bill of rights, that bill of rights should be standing by this guy's side and every
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man's side. Newspapers call me a full.
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There was a photograph in there where one of those witnesses identified him. He said that the small man on the right with the pistol is Tchuk. The tall man
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on the left is the man the prisoners feared the most. Ivan Glozni. Ivon Marenko. And it wasn't a picture of
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Demon. I held it up. You're not allowed to on the House. Florida maybe put it down.
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Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati wouldn't accept the evidence. Congress wouldn't hold a hearing. Citizenship
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stripped away. convicted of mass murder on death row to be executed. To be executed, Dan,
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send it over to the Israeli Supreme Court. I went over.
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When I got there, I was like a rock star in Israel. Everybody knew I was. I had my own
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bodyguard. And I went to see him in his cell. I
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want you to imagine 8 by6 split in half with an 8 by8 for him and an 8 by8 with a desk for his guard and
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an 8 by6 walkway. He was allowed one hour a day three days a week and he had a little patch of bare dirt out there
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and he collected pigeon droppings and water and the guards all of them. They brought him in plants and he planted
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them. He made me potato soup when I was there. Well, potato soup. It was the
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best potato soup I ever had. He looked at me because, you know, I
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beaten the the government in Cleveland. His eyes were like this. He said, "Thank you so much, Jim." He said, "I am not
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Ivan." I said, "I know you're not Ivan." When I got back, I got a call from Brian
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Gumble on a Today Show. And Brian says to me, "Congressman, what's happening over there?" I said,
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"Listen, now I was in prison the last time they took that old man to court.
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If they didn't put me in prison, they would have never taken him to trial. They convicted him for lying on his
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papers. All Ukrainians lied on their papers. If they didn't, they'd have been
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automatically repatriated back to Joseph Stalin, who would have put him in front of a firing line and executed him.
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Sad affair. And after it was all over, there's a major investigation.
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You know what it was, Willis? How did trafficking get this information?
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We had a hell of a problem. I was able to take a lot of money out of Congress, help my area.
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I did it by completely disrupting Congress. I once had a record 10 hours of parliamentary points of order on a
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Treasury postal bill that was this thick. When it went to the Senate, it went this big. Good.
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I cut everything. Even the vice president's expense account, which wasn't approved under permanent law, had
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to be reauthorized and reappropriated every year. So they came to me, payon, they said, "Listen, if you promise not
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to do that, we'll build that courthouse for you." I said, "Okay." To make a long story short, I'm not any of the committees. I was the only member
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in the United States. Kennedy and Bird called said, "How the hell he do that?" that had a full 16 plane Air Force
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Reserve wing in my district. I'm not on any of those committees. I destroyed a $400 billion bill over an
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amendment that I put in for a congressman. Maybe I'll take a minute so you understand how Congress works.
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I don't want to say his name. There's a powerful politician that had a scandal in the primary was getting beat. People called and said they don't want Clinton.
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They don't want Cuomo. They don't want Gart. They want you. It was in Pennsylvania. I'm the old quarterback. They want you to speak at this big
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rally. And I went, it was jam. And when they left there, they were marching. And he was so pleased. He
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said, "You turn this thing around." Well, election night, he sives. He calls
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me. He said, "Anything you wanted. Anything." Well, I was getting anything I wanted. So, I said, "I want you to put a language in your appropriation bill."
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That any country denies American companies the right to bid on their government contracts. They can't bid on our defense contracts. It's only defense
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bill, but it's 450 billion back then, bigger than all the budgets of the world except five.
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He said, Jim, he said, it can be knocked out in a point order. say, "You're doing that all up here. You've you've changed everything around." I said, "I know. I
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want you to go to Claude Pepper, the chairman of the rules committee. I want you to ask him for a waiver on a trafficking provision so that I could
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battle it out on the house floor. They can't strike it on a point of order. You have to know the technicalities. You got
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to read it, Larry." So, he said, "What is it?" I told him
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what it says. Damn it, Jim. That's Rosenowski. That's trade.
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I said, ' Who the hell is Rosenowski? Is he the speaker now?
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I said, 'You asked Claude Pepper for that waiver, chairman. That's the agreement you made. And you let me and Rosenowski have it out on the floor.
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Well, I get a call from Clyde Pepper. Oh, Claude Pepper from Florida. He says, "She chef,
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I just got a call from Chairman Minkovski and he's livid." And he's
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coming before the committee at 6:00. He says, "I'm going to give you the opportunity to come, too." So, listen. I go, and you could imagine this, you'd
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laugh. There's this little table about 2 ft deep, 3 ft wide, two chairs. Me and Rosenowski, I'm to his right. We're
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rubbing shoulders. There's a semi-ircle committee, about 20 some people, not real big, right up off the House floor.
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And he, Chairman Pepper goes, Chairman Rosenowski, he said, "We can't have maverick congressman writing our trade
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laws. I want this committee to know." He's looking at him. I want an open rule,
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a complete open rule. I don't want any waiverss cuz I will let you know right now I will strike the trafficking
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provision under general provisions. He took about 30 seconds looking at him and they're scared to death of him, you
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know. So I'm sitting next to him, you know, he's getting all worked up. He said, Mr. Travant, I said almost word
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for word, I said, you know, Mr. chairman. Chairman Rosenowski is a powerful man
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and he gets his way on everything. Why don't you screw him this time? They
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almost fell out of the chair. He jumped up. He walked out. Well, I get a call, Larry. About a half hour later. Open
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rule. Open rule. They need the money so bad now in Iraq
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they bring the spending bill out before the authorizing bill corporations bill you read line by line
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said clerk shall read title one army gentleman from Ohio they were coming out of the cloak room
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saying what's this jackass doing now I said I raised a point of order to title one he constitutes legislation
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appropriation bill prioritization I demand it be stricken
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the chairman said chim What are you doing? Where word war? Where war? I said, don't give me that war
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Excuse my mouth. He has his hand over the thing. I have my hand over the thing. They said, "Well, the gentleman's
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point of order is not properly worded." Sharkle read. I said, "Mr. Chairman, everything on page 9, line seven
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through, including page 39, line 19, constitutes legislation without prior authorization. Go by the rules." Watch
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this, folks. Gentleman's point of order sustained.
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Army's gone. Senate's going to write the bill. Title two, Air Force. Gentleman from
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Ohio. Gone. Title three, Navy. Gentleman from Ohio. He reaches over and says, "Look,
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Rosenowski called. He said, "If you yield back their strikes, he'll let your stuff go through." I said, "Don't give me that now. Glennon Metabol ain't going
32:54
to stand up for this in the Senate. They're scared to death of this trade business." He I'm giving you my word. It'll be in
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that bill, Jim. I said, 'You know, chairman, I have C130B box cars, old flying box cars at my base. Eight of
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them, they're going to close. You know, I'll lose about 200 jobs. I said, 'But I notice you're building 12 C130 Hercules,
33:12
brand new aircraft, about 200 million a piece. Said, you give me eight new ones this year and eight new ones next year
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for a full wing and I'll yield back that strike. I can't tell you his exact words, but he said, "You've gone too far."
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I said, "Mr. Chairman, our demands and my point of order." He
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said, "Hold it. I want you to watch this now. I'm going to give you the planes. You
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got to get the White House sign off. There's not a 16 plane wing in the world. I'm going to give you the language, but
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you got to promise never track my bill again." Said, "Okay, watch this." Now, Larry, I
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ask unanimous consent my pending strike title three be vacated. Title three be passed over without prejudice. Without objection, so ordered. Navy's fully
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funded. There wasn't a bit of debate. Mr. Chairman ask unanimous consent here to force sustain strikes one and two
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be rescended and passed over without prejudice without objection so ordered fully funded. Mera stood up chairman. He
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said as unanimous consent remained a bill be considered as read without objection so ordered. Any amendments? None. Move the question. $450 billion
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defense bill wasn't a bit of debate on it. There was a 16 plane wing established in Youngsttown, Ohio. And
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any country that denied our companies, they couldn't bid on our defense contracts.
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They did not like me. Now, this is why I'm here. How much time
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do I have pay?
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two of my last bills and they would have been law. It was probably my big mouth and my one
34:50
minute speeches that kept the heat on the Randy Weaver case that finally got him into a grand jury with that shooter
34:56
and acquitted. I made a speech once a week.
35:01
My bill was the Fair Justice Act and Chairman Hyde from Illinois called me and said, "Jim, I'm going hold a hearing on it. Here's what the Fair Justice Act
35:09
was. The FBI, the Treasury, the Justice, they commit a crime and they investigate
35:15
themselves. The Travagan Bill says there shall be a new agency called the Fair Justice
35:21
Agency. President shall nominate Senate confirmed for a 10-year term director of the Fair Justice Agency with two tasks.
35:29
Investigate and prosecute crimes committed by individuals within the
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Justice and IRS.
35:39
He goes to a hearing and it's probably the only hearing in the history of the United States Congress. They were all there
35:48
and they said in the paper that a fight broke out. I won't admit to that, but
35:53
the capital the capital police had to be called in. And they postponed the hearing
36:01
and I never got another chance to really get at them. They did what they had to do because they knew.
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They knew it was just a matter of time. But the big one was in concert with two
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Republicans. Some people call it a tax bill.
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It is not a tax bill. It is appropriate here to discuss it. It is a freedom
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bill. I want you to listen carefully. And I've been to the events and after
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the event's over, we take pride in hearing Larry and Dan and Russell and
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Joe and then we leave and we have good memories and nothing happens.
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We have no program. We've lost the country
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and it's going to get worse. Now everybody up here talking different politics. I want to say one thing while
36:57
I'm here. I know how they do things down there and I know what they're doing, how they're doing, what they're thinking
37:02
before they do it. For example, they did not want Barack. They wanted Hillary. They kept Gore out. They kept Carrie
37:08
out. They jackpoted Edwards in two months and said, "There's no way this black guy with a Muslim name from
37:15
Chicago is going to beat our girl." They didn't want Barack Obama.
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And I'll say one thing for him now, and I want to give credit to Mr. Cardo and American Free Press.
37:28
He has kept us out of war. And if you would have had Clinton or
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Romney, your sons and daughters be coming back in body bags right now. Now, I want to say this because this
37:39
gets very controversial. They wanted George Bush to initiate war
37:46
with Iran so that when Hillary come in, she wouldn't have the burden of the war. She could say, "I inherited it and I'm
37:52
prosecuting it." They could fool these people. can't fool me. When they realize they
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may not be able to beat Barack Obama, the Clintons took them to Apac, American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
38:05
They're so powerful they damn near control Congress. In 19 late 80s, early 90s, they fired a
38:13
top ranking woman and she gave a whistleblower count of their political
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activity and the top political target in the world was Jim Travan of Youngsttown, Ohio. As a result with the Demenia case,
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I've been labeled an anti-Semite and I certainly am not.
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But I will tell it like it is. Israel's gotten so much power they have started to control the election process in this
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country and it's no good. Guys like me, I couldn't raise a dollar.
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But I looked at our country. I looked at the misery,
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the unfairness. We're all slaves.
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We've joined our black brothers from years gone by. We're slaves to a tax system.
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Think about everything we talked about, all these forms you've seen, everything about the IRS, what Joe Bannister was
39:16
talking about. For what? Why do we have a 16th amendment? First
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of all, and I'm not going to get into legality. Make no difference if it's legal. The powers should be made it
39:26
illegal. We have the 16th amendment because when
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they first come with an income tax, it was taken to the Supreme Court and it was stricken down. Unconstitutional. The
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founders did not want your personal industry, your labor to ever be taxed.
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It was only supposed to be what? the top 1% going to be taxed and all the little people. Yeah, go get them. And every
39:55
election, yeah, raise the taxes on the rich. What a joke. Those riches get more tax breaks after
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it's over and you pay more taxes.
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Billy Tozanne from Louisiana, Dan Schaefer from Colorado, two bright Republicans, and Jim Travagant
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offered the national retail sales tax.
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Everybody pays it. No exemptions. But before I get into it and they jumped
40:25
on me, I was against the poor. Hell, I was raised in a poor area. I was poor anybody probably in Congress. By the
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way, after I won that criminal trial, they took me to the civil trial, garnished my wages, I made $2,300 a
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month all the years I was in Congress. My wife wasn't working. I qualified for food stamps.
40:42
They hated me. Here's the way it works. Internal
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Revenue Service is eliminated. [Applause]
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The Federal Reserve is eliminated. Yes. I'm not for an audit. The audit is only going to come back and say how good they
40:59
are and how necessary they are. Come on. I know how they operate. Throw them the hell out. Put the same
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people under control of a committee of Congress. Number three, repudiate all interest of
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these bankers who have robbed us for years. Don't pay it. Tell them we're not going to pay it.
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The money that we do owe those bond holders and American citizens andor those legitimate debts of foreign
41:23
nations we pay. But that usurious criminal bank conspiracy that has
41:29
corrupted this country, you're not going to get another penny. Take us to court.
41:40
You repeal the 16th amendment to make sure that thing don't come back. He put the nails in the coffin for good.
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Now, pimp, some people disagree with me on this, but I also say repeal the 17th amendment.
41:53
Yeah, that's true. See, in the old days, the legislature from Florida would pick the two federal
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US senators. And what better way to have states rights than to have those senators
42:05
beholden to the state. Now, they don't behold his popular vote. And they're running for president. They're campaigning in California.
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Throw it out. Let the state senators appoint their people to make sure their senators take care of their state. This
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is the United States of America, not the central government of America. And let's get away Let's get away from that big
42:24
government right now. Department of Energy, Department of Labor, Department of Education, set standards. Let the
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state run it. EPA, set standards. Let the state run it. Get the bureaucracy out of Washington. Get the job. Get them
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the hell out of there. Put your fiscal house in order. But now, here's how the bill works.
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No more tax on withholding right now. You money is withheld. Federal government decides how to spend
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it. You get the entire pay. You decide how to spend it.
42:54
All taxes on savings are eliminated. All inheritance taxes are eliminated. You work all your life and you got to
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give 60% of it to Uncle Sam. Can for you got to sell it because you can't give it to your family.
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No more inheritance tax. It's gone. Some people say, "Jim, are you serious?
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No more corporation tax." They pass it on to us.
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We need a friendly environment for companies to do business in America.
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No more capital gains tax. Not a penny.
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Jobs are created the oldfashioned way. People are going to invest. They're going to put that entrepreneurial money out there.
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No more tax on social security. No more tax on Medicare.
43:46
Jim, how you going to do this? Don't panic.
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There is a flat 25% tax on all new goods and services.
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Now, before you panic, I get these people saying, "We love it, but how come it's 25%." Why do we pay have to pay any
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tax, Jim? Let's get out of dream world. We got a hell of a country. It takes
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money to run it. But here's why the 25%.
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Archer said we could leave Social Security and Medicare out and we can go with a 17% retail tax.
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Folks, under this program, there's no more forms. Done. No more records. Done.
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Done. Harvard did a study and I want you to listen. When you go out and see that new
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car made in America, 25% of the cost of that car
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is there complying with the numerous regulations and burdens of the tax code.
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When you remove the tax code, you take 25% cost out of that car in America. Now,
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hear me, cuz we don't only have a budget deficit. No one's talking about the killer, the
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trade deficit, which if they were telling us the truth is probably threequarters of a trillion dollars a year now. Now, Dan, how can you buy more
45:11
than you sell to stay in business? Richard, how could you do that?
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You can't. Only the government printing their money. And you know, that's going to come to an end. And I think Dan and
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Larry both gave us pretty good ideas of that. Here's the bottom line. Let's take a look at American Card. Here's what
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Harvard said. With a 25% imposition of that
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retail sales tax, there will probably be little if any price increase that we have now on
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available goods. They said because when that car company gets that 25% reduction off it, they won't be looking. There are
45:46
no more loopholes. They'll be looking for market share. Now that $20,000 car will be coming in at 17. Chrysler will
45:51
say we're going 16. Ford will say we're going 15. They'll be going for market share. And they predict with a 25% tab
45:58
put on it, there will be no appreciable in increase in cost. But there's one other thing, and I want you to think
46:03
about this, Dan, because you're starting to deal with monies back and forth across the big pond.
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That car made in America today has a 25% weighted factor. It goes overseas. They're loading it. What are we selling
46:16
over there? Nothing. Our companies have moved over there. Why do they move over? Because they don't like us? No, they
46:21
move over there to make a profit. is getting to the point they can't do it here. They're strangled with regulation.
46:27
That tax code is killing us. It's subsidizing illegitimacy, penalizes investment, destroying
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families. That tax code is responsible for aimless kids on the street without
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families. Once everybody becomes a part of our system, they'll take pride in the
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system. They'll be a franchise holder in our system. They're not. Now let's look at the car.
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Now with that tax, it's not sold in America, right? It's shipped overseas, no load. It's now competitive overseas.
47:00
But now for the first time in history, and none of these communists can holler protectionism.
47:06
You have the first border adjusted tax in our history. And no one can complain, folks. When that Toyota comes across the
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seas and it sells in America, it's going to get hit with 25% just like that Chevy
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Cruz. You know what's going to happen? They'll be building those Toyotas here. You'll
47:22
see American companies coming back home. But there's one other thing, folks. And no one has looked at this.
47:30
We have an underground criminal economy. No one even knows how big it is.
47:36
It'll be taxed. You have visitors from Japan and Germany,
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they'll be paying into our social security. I want you to think about that. Those
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people from Canada come down here to shop, they'll be paying taxes. Uncle Sam, they're not a visitor.
47:55
You're a welcome alien. I made this prediction. I said, if this
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program is not enacted the United States of America, our country will implode by
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2030 like the Soviet Union did without a shot being fired and no advanced notice.
48:13
I guess Pab Buchanan's come out now and he said he predicted by 2025. How can you miss? There's one other
48:21
thing about this plan. If there's a surplus, that dividend is
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returned back to the taxpayers per household. You get a $2300 billion surplus, you're
48:33
talking two $3,000 check going to come back in the dividend. But everybody pays. Every singlebody.
48:39
There will still be the programs, many of them that we have and the safeguards on the bottom. But they say, "Jim, how can that welfare woman pay that 25%."
48:46
She getting that food stamp and that cost of bread's going to go
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down. Their production costs are going to go down.
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But let me just tell you something and get away from that black and white business. A very dear friend I played
49:03
football with for years and I was talking with Mrs. Carter about this I think last night.
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They're going on their third child and they're white couple and they're not married. He said he can't afford to be married. He's working and she's raising
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the kids and she qualifies for all the benefits. We have a systemic problem, folks.
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We have a systemic problem where people are learning how to live in
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a subsidized governmentally dependent society. Folks, this ain't right.
49:35
This isn't right. This isn't a battle of taxes. And I tried to say this to Payon. And I am
49:41
glad that the founder and a real hero Willis Cardo is here. And you remember
49:46
the old spotlight. Listen, there's no bigger file in the NSA, CIA or FBI or
49:51
IRS than there is probably on Willis Cardo. He has stood up and he stood up for issues that were very controversial.
49:59
But I I want I want Mr. Ricardo and the American Free Press
50:05
to become the catalyst of this. It took me 12 years to change the burden of proof. I'm not even in Congress.
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I might even be alive. Many of us may not be alive and it'll it'll happen. We've got to start. And I want the
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Freedom Law School, the ruminant of Freedom Law School,
50:25
freedom to be one of the players here. We got to get around the country.
50:32
We got to get people. There's going to be naysayers. Oh, Christ. All that tax, Jim. Why 25? We're not 22.
50:42
Let this country prosper. Bring those jobs back home. Take care of that trade deficit. The budget deficit will take
50:49
care of itself. We now have an engine completely out of control. These politicians don't know what the hell they're doing. They could half of them
50:56
could fall out of bed and miss the floor. People don't believe me when I say that
51:06
once said on the house floor we have to incentivize our economy. The one guy said to the chairman of the committee what's that incentivized business?
51:17
So in golf,
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I don't have that a podium in a house floor.
51:28
They'd be scared to death if I did. This NSA business, I'd have Snowden coming
51:33
back in a chariot, crowned as a champion, not indicted.
51:41
There are other people should have come out. But this is what I'm talking to you about. We we were separated from our
51:48
government. And the thing that bothered me the most that I I could never forget. And and then you hear somebody so
51:54
eloquent like Larry, he he lays it out. He's educating. He's teaching us.
51:59
And then I see visually an IRS witness before a congressional hearing
52:06
saying, "Without the element of fear, we will not be able to collect our
52:13
taxes. Without the element of fear,
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fear." Now, here's a dramatization I made for
52:25
Archer. under a burden of proof.
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So, chairman, I want you to imagine a family of five at the dinner meeting, dinner table.
52:39
And the wife just bursts out, John. John, let's call them. Let's call the accountant. John, I'm worried. Margaret,
52:45
not now. Not in front of the kids. John, you keep saying not now. I'm scared to death. They want 50,000. Not now.
52:56
Well, when John, damn it, I'm afraid to death.
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They said we owe $50,000. He said, "I'm telling you, we don't owe 50,000."
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She said, "Look, I took it upon myself. I called him today." He said, "He could talk to those people. He thinks he could
53:16
settle this for 15, maybe $20,000." He said, "Damn it, I'm not paying him anything.
53:23
Enough is enough now.
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I'm afraid. John, I'm afraid.
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Go ahead and call." What kind of system do we have?
53:48
What kind of a system do we have where you have a guy like Joe Banister
53:54
has to actually come out and pinpoint it from within and is then made to look almost like a
53:59
criminal. Most people don't read the paper. All they know is boy, he's some kind of a nut.
54:07
So I think this is where we've got to start. Not just meeting and talking about what's wrong. What's our program?
54:14
What is our program? You got some of the best minds. I've given you a rough outline before it's over. There's an awful lot of
54:20
things could be done. And even though I've said a few things about Congress, they're afraid, believe me. But there
54:26
are mines there once it gets moving in the right direction where they can take that thing and mold it and you would see some really big improvements. Reduce the
54:33
size of our government, increase the size of our people,
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more take-home pay, let them decide what to do with it. And if they save it, they don't pay taxes on it again.
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it's theirs. You will see money for commercial loan
54:52
activity. You will see entrepreneurs again taking a risk.
54:58
And why shouldn't they be rewarded? Because how do we create jobs?
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That big thing we had a couple winters ago, the big explosion of jobs was 400,000 part-time census workers.
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God almighty. Jobs would be created the old way.
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Go ahead. Come on in. Where people will invest money, they
55:23
will take a risk. Now, as far as social security, Medicare, it's all included in it, folks.
55:30
Actuarials show right now, they're spending more money they're taking in. It will be preserved forever.
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45 out of the 50 states already collect the sales tax. They'll get a small stipen for collecting ours. Five states
55:42
that don't, if we have to, we'll collect it. 95% of all retail sales taxes
55:49
are earned by big big companies and corporations. You sell a used car, no tax. You sell
55:56
anything used, no tax. You have a a garage sale, lawn sale, no
56:03
tax. Bless you. Only new goods and services.
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You will see companies moving back to America. you will see a direct impact upon our trade situation. And if that's
56:18
not done, forget the budget deficit. Trade deficit will kill us. And Dan talked to us about something I don't even want to get into.
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The world's reserve currency. If that goes, folks,
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I give America less than a year, it will implode. One year. And don't think that some of
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these foreign nations who do not like Uncle Sam aren't burning the midnight oil looking at the scenario, they have their own problems or I think there'd be
56:46
more action. But what was it that Charles E Gall said? Says you never defeat America with a missile, but you destroy him through the dollar.
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We can boy that dollar. We can build our economy. We can stabilize our economy.
57:01
We don't need all these troops all over the world. One of my bills was take 10,000, put them on our borders, keep
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people from jumping the fence, and keep drugs the hell out of here. Passed in the House against all opposition. Senate
57:12
killed it. Now we have an Office of Homeland Security with open borders. Now, think about it.
57:19
And what does it boil down to? Both parties are trying to get a huge Hispanic blog vote
57:25
while they're worried about maintaining their majorities. Countryy's going to hell in the hazard.
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Look, my position is real clear on a lot of these issues, and I think many Americans feel the same way. If you're in here in our country legally, you're one of us. If you're not, get the hell
57:37
out. We don't want you. We're going to keep you out. These are the things we got to do. What I would like when I
57:43
leave today, and I don't know, I I've given a lot of thought in coming down here, and the reason I come down is Pay
57:50
is just the greatest. And by the way, to see you last night with your family and that beautiful event, that was a
57:56
beautiful scene. And congratulations I have I have a little bit of a I
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brought a little painting for you, by the way. I'll have to give it to you. And I think I've gone beyond my time, but I don't know what your situation is,
58:08
but listen carefully. I'll entertain your questions if it's allowed. But if you go off halfcocked, when I'm done
58:15
with you, you'll be able to exit that door, closed door with a top hat on because I'm not playing. I don't want any
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aggravation. Do you have any questions? Real quick. Yes. In the back. Yes. If you recall
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number one
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and stay the hell out of foreign wars. And I will give this president that credit because we could very well have been in a war, folks.
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And let's hope that they don't beat that down before it's over and put us there because we had a few spies that were
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working for those ends. Yes, Mrs. Cardo.
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No, it's not. It's not a value added. It's final retail sales. You buy a coat. They say,
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"Well, Travan, you're going to buy a $100 coat." Now, it's going to be $125. But here's what Harvard said. That $100
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coat is probably going to sell for $80. Now, when you take the burden, the tax code off and take the weight off and the
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cost, they have to meet with the burden. It's final retail sales. But let me ask you this.
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Everybody in this room probably pays 25% tax right now or more. You don't realize it. You know, a service charge is a tax.
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A fee is a tax. A total is a tax. All these fancy words, they're all taxes.
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And when the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare constitutional, it was a dead pan legal argument.
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America can substantiate. It has a tax. It's a tax and Congress has the right to tax. Now, let me tell you something you
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don't know and make you think because I believe social security is in de jeopardy.
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Do you realize that all these deficits they talk about national debt does not include
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social security, Medicare? Do you know that Social Security and Medicare is not included in the accounting of our
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national budgets in fiscal uh statements? And do you know why? Because
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Congress could change it. Congress could raise the taxes on it or Congress could eliminate it. It's not even factored in.
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You know what we have, folks? You have file cabinets with a bunch of IUS in and someday somebody's going to have to pay
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the piper. We need a revenue stream. Everybody got to pull that revenue stream. Right now
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you have half of the country paying for the other half. But what's happened with that is we destroyed families with that
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policy. We can't do that. I believe families will stick together if they can
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make it as a family. But there are people that are just separating and not living together that you would never
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imagine. They can't make it. So how do we do it? Are they going to have another reform bill like Larry showed us with a
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different number and some different buzzwords? And the last one I saw was
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after all the definitions it said but not limited to them all to the above. In other
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words, what else is there? Who are you going to tax? They're an outer space thing coming and pay. I mean you started with that sauerkraut.
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Where is it? Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for having me here.
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