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Jul 9, 2025
#kabbalah #mysticism #gnosticism This week, i welcome author DeAnne Loper. She's written a humdinger of a book exposing the secrets of Kabbalah, and she stops by to give us the lowdown. Join us as she explains hidden symbolism, and the roots of this occult belief system we go, and be sure to check out the links in the show notes. Here we go again on another dive down the rabbit hole, far beyond the mainstream! Thank you Cheers, and Blessings Kabbalah Secrets Christians Need To Know-DeAnne Loperhttps://www.amazon.com/Kabbalah-Secrets-Christians-Need-Know-ebook/dp/B07QYXRXTWDeAnne Loper Websitehttps://www.kabbalahsecretschristiansneedtoknow.com/?m=1DeAnne Loper
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politician.
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So, how is it that this took so long to become part of our modern culture when
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this has been around for thousands of years? Because I think that it's been it's actually been part of modern culture for
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at least 500 years, but it's always been mixed with other things. So it was mixed with the oa with it with with astrology
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with alchemy with magic. You know pe there have always been cabalists. It's only in the last what 30 40 years that
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it's sort of come into its own in the in the modern world as a discipline on its own. So how do you define what cabala is? Is
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is there a book that helped like an ancient book that there are many there are many many books. Um I mean the the sort of the the
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bible of cabala if you like is a book called the zoha. And there's a big dispute about when that was written.
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Nobody ever heard of this book until the the 12th century, but it claims to have been written in the second century. So
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the mystics believe it was written in the second century and was hidden away and emerged in the 12th century. And the
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academics believe it was written in the 12th century. But that is it's a very long book. It's I don't know how many
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volumes, dozens of volumes. It's a commentary on the Bible. But inside it, if you understand how what it's talking
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about, it's hard to understand, but if you understand it, it's that's the catalystic system. Um, basically, Cabala
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is a way of understanding how God who is beyond all imagination can act on a
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world which we can see and feel around us. So, it's what's what's the connection between the two. What's the mechanics which by which God acts on the
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world? That's a very simple way of putting it. Do we know who is responsible for the writing of it or I'm guessing there's
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more than that? No, we don't. Well, we again there, you know, the It's a part of the dispute, but the people who believe it's written
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in the second century believe it's written by a man called Shiman Bay Yakai who lives in Israel. Um it dies round
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about 150 160 of this of this era of the common era. Um the academic view is it's
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written in Spain round about the 12th century by a group of people um in in
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Castile who who are a group of cabalists. One man in particular called Moses DeLeon but also his friends as
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well. It's not written as a book. It's written as a number of different pamphlets which are put together.
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Was Shakespeare intrigued by it? Shakespeare knew about it. I mean, certainly the references in
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Hey guys, welcome to the podcast featuring the odd man out. And this week
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I have a guest that I'm super excited about. Uh she's written an awesome book and I got it when it first came out and
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it was mind-blowing because it's one of those subjects that a lot of people don't know anything about. So let me
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welcome Deian Loper and she wrote a book called Cabala Secrets Christians Need to
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Know. Deianne, thank you so much for having me on. Yeah, absolutely.
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So, I'll read the subtitle on your book and uh could be controversial if people didn't know what you were talking about
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and I'm sure that's probably got raised some eyebrows, but uh it says an indepth
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study of the kosher pig and the gods of Jewish mysticism. But that's basically
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what Cabala is is Jewish mysticism. Am I right? Yes. That's um that's one way of saying
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it. Absolutely. It's the mystical side of Judaism. Um, and not all Jews are
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into that. Uh, primarily I believe it's um, Habad, the Habad Lubovich sect of
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Judaism and the Hidic branch of Judaism, but it
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is does seem to be um, subtly making inroads
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uh, strong inroads into Christianity lately. I've noticed that too. There's also new
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age elements to it. And uh also I've studied quite a bit about Freemasonry and there's a lot of parallels there as
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well. But um I remember pretty early on in my podcast after reading your book I had read that uh Jared Kushner and
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Ivanka attended a Habad synagogue. And so I looked into that and I learned wow
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Habad they do study the Cabala. So I was kind of surprised that that wasn't a bigger story. But um you know it just it
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just wasn't. And I did a show about it if anyone wants to check that out. But as I've read, Cabala means the
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receiving. Is that correct? Yes. It means to receive or um tradition
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to receive tradition that is handed down. And the reason I wrote the book, I
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can tell how I came to write about the book, but the reason I wrote this book is that I I've been a Christian for over
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30 years. And in my circles of Christians and the churches that I've
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attended, it was always just assumed, you know, when the Lord Jesus returns,
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this is pretty much how how it goes. When the Lord Jesus returns, it's going to be the the second coming as far as
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Christians are concerned, but the first coming of the Messiah for Jews who
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rejected for the most part Jesus Christ. And as I began to look into Cabala, it's
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not uh the same Messiah at all. And many of the beliefs as far as the fall of man
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um well really going back to creation and the fall of man and salvation and
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redemption are opposite ends of the spectrum to what
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Christians believe. And um even as I did the research, I was shocked many times over and over to find out what I was
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discovering in my research. I imagine so. I've got a couple other
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books on Kobala that I had before I read yours. Uh because I was interested in
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learning what it was about cuz my show I kind of tried to dig into some of the
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occult beliefs and what they really believe and how they've kind of seeped into mainstream and into Christianity
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and everything else. But those books are really hard to read. They're kind of um a lot of those authors like to bloate
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and I think they just write to see themselves right. And uh so your book
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was so uh concise and to the point and and so clearly well written out, but
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it's a if you don't know anything about Cabala, it's it's pretty tough to learn it. And uh that's one thing that I
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noticed right off the bat when I started reading those other books. Yeah. And um thank you. I I really take
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that as a compliment because I prayed the entire time I was writing this book
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that the Lord would help me make it simple just simple enough for the average person to understand because
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like you I had read so many not I hadn't read a lot of books on Cabala per se I
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read some I read books uh by new age authors and new age leaders
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um I read some of uh Bailey Alice Bailey's theosophy books and Helena
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Bllovatzky and they're very they're so mystical and mystically written even Manley Hall's stuff it's like it's meant
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to keep it a secret and I wanted my book to be like you said just simple
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straightforward and so as I prayed I you know I just asked the Lord to lead me
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and I tried to break each chapter down to like a subject on creation or
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Medatron you know the angel Medatron on or tcoon which is part of you know uh
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humanity having to save the planet and uh the part about the kosher pig that's
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um something that I set out to write about but even that was so concealed it
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took me almost to the end of the book to actually find out what that really means in Cabala and in the writings of the
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Midash. So I had to dig deep. But there again, by the grace of God, I hope it's
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a book and others have told me a book that that it is a book that is is simple for the average reader. I definitely
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think so. And that is what you need because people are not going to stick with something that's really complicated
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and drones on and on and you know, I've read bits and pieces of of Manley P. Paul and these other writers and it just
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uh it gets really monotonous and and and frankly I get just bored to death with it and and it's hard to learn when
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you're bored to death. So your book definitely kept my attention. Um where would be a good place to kind of start
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at Cabala and and kind of the meaning. Um I know one thing that I thought was
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interesting was the whole tree of life. And it hit me one day. Well, the tree of life, is that the same as the going back
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to the garden of Eden and and the tree of good and evil or the tree of knowledge, but uh where would you where
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do you think would be a good place to start for those who don't know too much about it? Um yeah, we can talk about that. I can
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go into that. Um I usually just try to explain why I research this because I
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was raised in church and I fell away. Long story, long story short, came to
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Christ. Actually received Jesus Christ at the age of 24
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and he delivered me out of the oult and out of some new age practices.
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So through that, I kind of had an eye and an ear to be able to hear or see
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when it was coming into the church and and even from the pulpit. And so I wrote
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the book because I think it's important for Christians to take everything anyone says, I don't care who it is, if it's
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your favorite television evangelist or someone on YouTube or your pastor or your friend, take every word that
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someone is speaking to maybe encourage you or teach on a subject and take it
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back to the word of God. So from a very young age, I've always tried to do that and that's the beginning of what the
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Bible calls discernment. Okay. So, um
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through my um my experiences
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with the oult, I was able to detect things coming in whether it was new age
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or the oult. And I had I like to go back a little bit further like right when I
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got saved. I had my first uh experience
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with Messianic Christianity at a very young age. I was 24 years old. um my stepfather and his wife were
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attending a Messianic uh congregation in Central Florida. Now, the Messianic
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movement, as I've been able to observe it, seems to be and it can be a a
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doorway or a gateway into not just Judaism, but some of these mystical
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practices and even to the level of what the rabbis teach. So I would go to these
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meetings occasionally with my father and um I mean this wasn't a little congregation. They were involved with
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like the international uh Christian embassy for Israel. Um
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Benjamin Netanyahu used to actually come to their church in central Florida and speak. And the pastor there did a
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message. He did a message years ago and one even even recently saying that in
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order to take the mark of the beast, Christians are going to have to take the mark of Israel. Okay? And that
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Christians are going to eventually be challenged to stand with Israel
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and to take this mark. And later he did a message and he said
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that uh people of Israel already have a mark and it's to fill in and that's the
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little black cube that they wrap around their forehead and their arm and I have a whole section in my book on that. So
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those are just some of the reasons why I think it's important you know back then when I was 24 25 I'm like oh okay you
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know you hear these things and so that's why I wrote the book to
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make people aware especially Christians if they hear some of these terms or some
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of these symbols symbology that's coming through uh pastors u leaders teachers
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then they can be aware and so what happened I continued to do uh the
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research really for years. I read all the uh pretty much anything I could get my hands on on like New Age Leaders
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throughout the late 80s and 90s and then I kind of got involved in NR. Well, I
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did get involved through friends for about 2 years. Some friends that I met were really into the New Apostolic
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Reformation. They were turning me on to things like the Elijah list. uh some of the uh
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leaders like uh IHOP um Bob Jones and the Kansas City Prophetic Movement. And
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I noticed in that, again, I would take everything that they said. It didn't take me long to say, "Whoa, something's wrong here." And there was a real
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emphasis in that movement on angel encounters and third heaven experiences,
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among other things. And people were having these angelic encounters with uh angels manifesting as
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spheres of light, balls of light coming into their room. And I knew that that was a new age practice. But they were
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teaching that you could go to the third heaven at will whenever you want. And I
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knew that wasn't right. So I started looking into that. And that was the beginning. I'd say that was about 10
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years ago that I really started looking more into Cabala because what I found in that uh part of my research
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is that not only were Christians having these experiences where you can go up to
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the third heaven at will whenever you want and have a vision of God sitting on
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his throne. Not only were Christians experience experiencing these things but
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new aes newagers um cobalists um those in the oult witches shamans and
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Christian contemplative my mystics and that's when that's about the time that the emergent church was also really
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coming out in Christianity but what I found was a running theme through all of
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these each of these that I studied They all went back to Cabala
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and this angel Medatron and that Medatron through deeper
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research Medatron is a fallen angel. I well I call him a fallen angel in
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Cabala. Medatron is called the little Yahweh, the Yode Vah.
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And he is the one that sits on the throne. Okay? And he's written about
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extensively. I found that he was written about extensively in the Babylonian Talmud and in the third book of Enoch,
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which is a more Jew Jewish version than the first book of Enoch and all these
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Jewish sources. So that's that's basically where I really kind of started
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to delve more into the research of Cabala. And
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one day as I was doing research and I had planned to write a book um but I had
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no idea the direction the Lord was going to take this in. I was sitting on the computer one day and I was on YouTube
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researching clicking around and this video came up on the sidebar and it was
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a testimony shocking testimony of Rabbi
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and it was on Benny Hinn's program. And before anybody says, "Oh, you shouldn't be watching Benny Hen." Well, because
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I've gotten, you know, criticized for that. Well, I wasn't watching it. It just happened to come up. And it was a
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rabbi's testimony. And my first thought was, "Oh, wow. Great. I would I love to
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hear about Jewish people coming to Christ and especially if a rabbi does."
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And um so I clicked on it and this Rabbi Esau Shapi was on there with Rabbi
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Jonathan Bernest of the Jewish Voice and Esau Shapiro was sharing his
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testimony but Jonathan Bernest had to help him along because his English is not very well Mr. Shapias, but he was I
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could tell right away he was teaching Cabala and that freaked me out. And I sat there
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through the entire interview and about 90 minutes into it, Esau Shapi made the
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statement that when Yeshua comes back now, he will not use the name of Jesus
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Christ. My stepmother that I spoke of earlier went to the Messianic church. She was Jewish and she used the name of
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Jesus. And I've known other Jews who have come to Christ and use Yeshua or
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Jesus or both. But Mr. Shapiro refuses to use that name. And he said when
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Yeshua returns, he's going to destroy Edom. And Edom is
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Christianity. And that is when the Lord just really
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turned me in a different direction. And I I had heard this before. I had read it in some of the rabbitic commentaries
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that they view Edom, the Old Testament, Edom, as Christianity and that Edom is
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the eternal enemy of Israel and that it will be destroyed when their Messiah
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returns. So that was basically the springboard that caused me to go even
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deeper into more of what the rabbis believe and teach and have actually kept
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it a secret until recently kept it a secret. And I've got it quoted, my book
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is mainly quotes. And I've got it quoted in my book that this final redemption
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must be brought about in a deceptive way to keep
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what they call the shells of impurity, the kipa. And that's all explained in
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the book. They've got to keep people from understanding what they're doing so
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they will not interfere with this secret plan. And that and that goes right along with
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uh some of the new age teachings and also even if you want to get into the the political idea of a new world order.
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So many of these teachings and these occult beliefs are really at the heart
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of it teaching pretty similar outcomes and that's this new world order utopia
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and uh Cabala is no different and they all have another thing in common and that is destroying Christianity. So
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yeah, I'm sorry I don't mean to interrupt but I just think that's very interesting that they have all that in common.
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No, you it's it's fine. You can um interrupt anytime you want or interject.
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But the first thing that I found um in my research was a a prophecy
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uh from the Zohar. And this prophecy is from a book um the title is called uh
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Cole Hatter. K O L H A T O R. Cole Hatter. And it was written by a rabbi uh
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who they called the Gion of VNA or the genius of Vilna. And I quote him quite a
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bit in the book, but the prophecy now this his book I mean it really goes into
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detail about the twin messiahs that there's two messiahs. Um he talks about
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Medatron being Messiah bin Joseph and it's Medatron working behind the scenes
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to um create this war uh this religious
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war against not just Christianity but the sons of Ishmael as well who um is
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who are Islam and um yeah it's pretty chilling but the the the prophecy was hidden and this
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again is one of the things that I discovered that caused me to go deeper into the research. It says uh I'll just
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read it here. In the 600th year of the sixth millennium, the gates of wisdom
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above, Cabala, together with the wisdom below, which is science, will be opened
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up and the world will prepare to usher in the seventh millennium. Okay. So in
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the 600th year of the sixth millennium and there's a lot of cobbalistic teachers who have taken off on this guy
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of villness teaching and prophecies that would have been around 1840 around the
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industrial revolution. And this rabbi, I mean, he has so much encoded into his
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writings about six and 666
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and the number of six being the number of creation as well as redemption, which
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would be the Hebrew letter vav. I mean, they believe that the Hebrew letters of
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the alphabet are uh are like spiritual entities and you can communicate with
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them and they have power and they're they're the forces working behind the
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scenes with this angel Medatron to bring all this about. Um, if you want, I can
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talk about creation and the tree of life and the Sephro tree. I know you mentioned that earlier. We get into that
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a little bit. You just ask what you know where you want to take it. I'm finding what you're saying very interesting and I just uh you know it's
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it's fascinating what they believe. After I read your book, I really got into that for a while and that was right
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before I started the podcast. and just it's almost like one of those things where once you start to look into what
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they believe, it's almost like you just keep finding more and more things that are astonishing and you couldn't believe
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that they weren't out there in the open or at least more people weren't talking about it. But u yeah, just go to
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whatever you want to talk about. I'm cool with whatever. Okay. Well, let's uh let's look at their
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concept of creation and the Sepharat tree, which is what they call the tree of life. I actually call it the tree of
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knowledge of good and evil. But okay, so um
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in the cobbalistic view of creation, there's a couple of different stories. We'll go back to the letters for a
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minute because this really blew me away even more than the Sepharat tree and how
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it's constructed and supposed to be the blueprint of the universe. Back to these Hebrew letters being entities. Um in my
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book, I think I quote Manly P. Hall who even talks he he's written a lot about this in his book the secret teachings of
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all ages and Gersham Scholam who was a I think he was the first professor of
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mysticism at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. So they both said the same thing. I got lots of sources wanted to
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confirm everything. I got some of this right out of the Zohar itself which I was able to secure from a a university
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for a while and and you can read it online. But so the concept of creation
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in Cabala is that this Einaw
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that is the God not just at the top of the Sephroat tree which I'll go more into this in a minute
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but this is the endless unknowable endless light. This is their god that is
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above the sephroat tree. So when he set out to create the world, he called these
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uh letters that are entities, powers, and crowns. Uh Manly P. Hall calls them.
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He calls them up one by one in reverse order. And there's 22 letters in the
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Hebrew alphabet from Olive to Tav. So he calls them in reverse. And he calls Tav
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up. And I've got this in the book. And Tav says to the Einoff, "Create the
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world with me because I am the last letter in the word truth." And when I
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read this next, what I'm going to say next, I was just shocked. This Einaw says to Tav, I cannot create the world
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with you because you are destined to be
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the mark engraved on the foreheads of all the righteous. Okay. And the
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righteous will be designated as the ones who keep the law, keep the Torah from
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alf toat tav from beginning to end. So that might not come as such a surprise
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to many, but the Jewish people for the most part think that by keeping their commandments and keeping the law, they
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are saved. And so these letters continue to go up
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before the Einoff and um he finally creates the world the world with the
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letter bait but then he seals everything with the letter olive. So again these uh
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letters are very uh mystical uh tools that uh coalis use to tap in to the
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spirit world and to see the visions that they are seeing. Um so then we'll move
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on to the sephro tree. Okay, that's one way that and it goes handinhand with
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what I'm about to say. That is one creation story from Cabala from uh one of their probably the oldest book in
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Cabala the book of formation or the book of creation. It's called the Sephur Yatser.
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And so when Einoft begins to make the world, he he contracts himself into a
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point of light and these spheres, these balls of light emanate out of him. And
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the first one to come out of the eins and out of this light is Keter.
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And Keter is at the top. I'm sure that people are listening. Some of them may have seen the Sephro tree. Some of them
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have nine, some of them have 10 globes arranged. These are arranged uh just
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like the 32 paths or degrees in Freemasonry. So Keter's at the top
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and Keter, he's many things. He's the crown. He's Adam Cadmon, not the man Adam, but
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what they call Adam Cadmon, the divine image. And he's also the creator of the God of
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the Bible. Now, this blew me away when I when I discovered this. And he's so he's
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the creator of the God of Genesis whom the who uh Genesis calls Elohim.
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And he's androgynous. And so
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that may have something to do with some of the things we're seeing today. I can't say for sure, but this Keter is
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the androgynous God. And we know that like in Satanism and Luciferianism,
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we've seen, you know, depictions of the androgynous goat. Okay. So, from Keter
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comes Beina. Well, first Hawkma. Hawkma is wisdom. And then Beina. Now, because
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Keter is androgynous, he can just emanate these spheres of light out from himself.
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And then this is kind of disturbing but I I talk about it in the book. Hakma and
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Beina come together in a sexual union which is called hyrosamos.
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And then they create the rest of the spheres all the way down the tree.
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And this hierrosconamos can be depicted by uh the cube uh what
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some call Saturn's cube or Medatron's cube or it can be depicted by the six-pointed star.
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So this hyros goes all the way down and it's actually described as a lightning flash which I found interesting because
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Jesus said to his disciples, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
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So this process goes all the way down to the bottom of the sephro tree and that's
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Malcoot. That's the last sphere to be created and that is the earth. And so
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whereas all the other spheres are in the spirit world, Malcoot is in the physical
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realm and that is the kingdom and that is the shikina or shea depending on how
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you would pronounce that. But what happens? Okay. So this entire thing
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starting at the top keter which means crown. It's also what I show in my book. It's an image of Adam Cadmon,
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the first Adam. See here's another secret. I didn't know there's two atoms
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in Judaism. So this uh Adam Cadmon is also depicted as the entire uh model or
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blueprint, the m the macrocosm so to speak. and he creates earthly Adam who
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is the microcosm. And I put a lot of these terms in there because so many pastors are using these terms today and
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they're they may not know it but many of these terms are are in the zohar and
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they're very old. Some of these terms just like the word paradigm and paradigm shift harbinger macrocosm microcosm
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critical mass emergent as above so below uh DNA the things that we just think
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okay it's it's the days we live in some of these terms are very ancient terms and have been kind of held back from
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society. So what happens is as this light comes down through each
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one of these spheres from the eins the spheres cannot contain the light zohar
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says so they shatter and everything goes into chaos and these
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are the sparks uh some are the sparks of god and some become like shells of
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impurity the cleot now some of these sparks go back up to um Adam Cadmon and
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others fall into matter and others fall into the abyss.
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And what happens is Einoff again gives like beams of light to Keter
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and Keter Adam Cadm at the top he recreates the universe. So you have a
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creation and you have a fall. You have a and each of these spheres is also considered like an angelic entity or a
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crown. It's really when you think about it in that terms, it's almost like they're veiling the fall of Lucifer in
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this whole entire story. So Adam Cadm recreates the universe and then he makes
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the earthly Adam and then that's when we get into the
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story of Genesis. Adam disobys God. He partakes from the tree of knowledge of
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good and evil, which is disobedience to God's command.
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But the coalistic view of what Adam did is not really, it's not like we view it.
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Adam and Eve disobeyed God. So God banishes them from the garden. In the
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Zohar, Adam prematurely separates the tree of knowledge from the
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tree of life. And therefore everything again there's
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you have another fall but it's not like sin as we think of sin. And so the two
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trees have been separated for almost 6,000 years.
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And the way to put it all back together according to the Habad website um I mean
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they you can go right to Habad. And by the way Habad many people don't know this. Habad is an acronym for those um
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three spheres at the top. Hakma, bina, and daat, which is knowledge. And datad
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is also the abyss. Um so you've got hakma ha bina ba and da da habad. That's
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what that stands for. So according to the Zohar, according to the Habad rabbis,
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and according to some of our messianic rabbis that are in our churches today,
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uh the way to fix this world is through tunam.
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And there's there's even a ministry um I think it's Dan Jester or Jester.
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He's got a ministry. He's a Messianic minister and his ministry is pretty big
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and he ministers with people like um I don't know if he was at the return with
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Jonathan Khan but all of these there's so many of them. It's not just Eats like
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Shapi. I mean, I'm just shocked how many of these guys are in our churches, but
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are either they're doing this knowingly or they're alluding to it or they're I
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don't like to use the term bed fellows, but that's what they're doing. They're bringing in a lot of this Jewish mysticism. So again, the way to fix the
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creation and the fall and the brokenness of our world and the universe is through
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tunam. And that basically means
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uh obeying the commandments, obeying the law, the 613
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laws for Jews and the seven Noahide laws for Gentiles. And then, you know, doing
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good works, whatever you can do to obey the law and do your good works, this is
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going to fix the world. And this is called raising the sparks.
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And this is why the noahhide law and the whole noahhide movement is
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really it's exploding. We don't hear much about it, but it really is. It's going out from the United Nations. It's
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in all nations. The spreading of these Noahhide laws for the Gentiles. And
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these supposedly were seven laws that Noah gave after the flood for Gentiles. Well, it's not in there. It's not in the
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Bible. It's not scriptural. Number one, we have the Ten Commandments. Number two, we're under the law of grace. and
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uh the obedience of faith which is an obedience from the heart through faith in Jesus Christ. But the rabbis and some
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of our messianic rabbis in Christianity are are teaching that these noahhide
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laws getting these spread to the Gentiles is critical. It's like the last crucial stage that
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will bring their Messiah back, their Moshiach. and um and that of course he's going to
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come and and set up his uh his temple and his throne in earthly Jerusalem and
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some of them like Esak Shapi go as far to teach and I know that the Scoffield
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Bible taught this um Scoffield Bible came out around the same time this oh prophecy in the 1800s said that when the
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Messiah comes back he's going to set up his throne in earthly Jerusalem and we're going to go back to animal
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sacrifices. We're going back under the Levitical priesthood with a third
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temple. But then they give you a disclaimer and say, "Well, that's only for memorial purposes."
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Well, we don't need memorial sacrifices. We have the blood of Jesus Christ, the
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son of God, who was the lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world. He is our sacrifice for sin. So there
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would be no reason to go back to the Levitical priesthood when the Messiah
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comes. And this is why I just stress in my book, especially at the end, I tell everybody, if you don't understand
36:36
anything that I'm saying or what's in this book, I end it with the words of Jesus who said if they say the Messiah
36:43
is here or there, don't go. Don't follow them. Because like lightning out of the
36:49
sky, he's coming. And even that, I mean, they could put a I don't know, a holographic show. You know, you hear
36:55
about Project Blue Beam. They could do anything. But the way I see it, if this
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world is still standing as it is in sin and corruption, there is no way that
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Jesus Christ is going to come back and set up a kingdom and go back to these
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earthly sacrifices when he's the he's the priest. It says he's the high priest
37:16
forever. Okay? And so the main things that I want people to understand what
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these rabbis especially you know someone like Shapiro the main premises of his book is that the kingdom of God has not
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been established nor is the redemption complete
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and that it will only be complete when this Messiah that they say is Medatron secretly. I
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mean, they're using that to show, oh, there was always a divine Messiah. But, um, that is not the way that the
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apostles or, you know, any of Jesus's followers witnessed. They witnessed of Jesus Christ, his life, death, burial,
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and and resurrection. So, they're saying that redemption is not complete,
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but we as Christians need really need to get back to the word. We need to know
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what the Bible says because it it says in Colossians um chapter let me see here chapter 1
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verse 12 and 14. When when we believe on Jesus we are
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spiritually we become a new creation. We are taken out of that kingdom of darkness. Satan is the god of this world
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and we're taken out of that kingdom of darkness and we are transferred into the kingdom of the son of God Jesus Christ.
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Now in Hebrews 9 and I think 13 it says that Jesus became that high priest
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forever um after the order of MelkiseDC and he entered the holy place and by his blood
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what did he obtain for us? He obtained he obtained eternal redemption by the
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blood the everlasting blood of his covenant. So when you hear a preacher or
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a rabbi tell you that God did not establish his kingdom just because we
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can't see it. Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world. When you hear someone
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say that you need to take it back to scripture. And the blood is everlasting.
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And so, um, yeah, that's I mean, that's those are just a few things. The the
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tuna, the repair of the world, um, that's how we're going to we're going to fix this world. And of course, that goes
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back to, like you said, with so many of the new age teachings, but what I found after more than 30 years of research is
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much of this is rooted in Cabala. And of course, I mean, the Jewish Encyclopedia admits
39:47
that these concepts of, you know, the magical mystical letters go all the way
39:54
back to ancient Chaldian and Chaldian magic. This is mystery Babylon. At least
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it's the spiritual side of mystery Babylon. Yeah. And wow, you said a lot. That's
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it's mind-blowing. And a lot of this stuff, it's just hard to believe that,
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like I said before, that more people haven't caught on to some of these things. And like with the Kushners and
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uh I know even even President Trump had won a Tree of Life award. You have to wonder if if this kind of thought isn't
40:30
more prevalent in some of the political things that we see, the the the importance with the the letters, the
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numerology, and different things like that. I don't know. But um yeah, I I
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read on um theosophycanada.com they were comparing Cabala to theosophy
40:48
and they were just saying it was basically two interpretations of the same thing. And then I know you have in
40:53
your book some quotes from Albert Pike on Cabala and how Freemasonry comes out
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of the Cabala. So so much of this of these new age teachings seem to have been in
41:04
influenced by it quite a bit. It's kind of mind-blowing really when you uh think about it,
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you know. Um there is I I I truly believe there is a political side to
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this cobalistic I call it sorcery and these letters. Um
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and I've got something I can share about that. you know, regarding regarding Kushner and Ivanka, I know that I saw
41:27
that during this last um presidential term during the
41:33
campaign, Ivanka had gone to uh Rabbi Manaka Mendel Schneersen's
41:41
grave. Can't remember what they call that, but it's in Brooklyn, the the
41:47
hotel or something like that. I mean, it's a big thing. I I read all about it. It's a big ritual. Well, that Rabbi U
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Manaka Mind Schneerson was called the Rebi and he was like the main promoter
42:00
of these Noahide laws like evangelistically and they believed that he was the
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Messiah and that when he passed away I think in the '9s they some still believe
42:13
that he's going to rise from the dead. I suppose the really um extreme uh acidic
42:20
ones do. But concerning the the letters, okay, I don't know if you have seen
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this, but uh I'd say about in 2017,
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there was a new synagogue that was dedicated in Israel um just beneath
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the um western wall, the Wailing Wall. And it's actually it was carved out of
42:45
the stone and it was um some call it the
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chamber of hunstone and there were I think Leland Jones did
42:56
a couple of videos by that name the chamber of Humestone. They're very interesting and there it's an
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underground synagogue. There are 70 seats under there for the 70 Sanhedrin.
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Now, the Sanhedrin were basically gone for 2,000 years. The Sanhedrin are
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the ones that uh conducted the trial of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact, in the chamber of he stone, what was a room
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adjacent to the temple at that time when Jesus was was here and after the
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destruction of the temple, I don't know how long it was before the Sanhedrin
43:36
um dissipated or dissolved. Now, the Pharisees were able to survive for the last 2,000 years, and they're the ones
43:43
that codified the oral uh Torah or the oral law into what we
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know today as the Babylonian Talmud. And from there, later as they migrated out,
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Ted Pike has a very excellent, excellent book on this um Israel, our duty, our
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dilemma. And he after the destruction many of those Jews fled back to Babylon
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and that's where they codified the Babylonian Talmud and then through you know hundreds of years they migrated up
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into Eastern Europe. This is really where the mystical teachings came
44:20
together into like what we know as Cabala but they were always there. So,
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in this chamber of Hun Stone, this new synagogue that was dedicated a few years ago, there are political leaders, um,
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our own secretary of state. It's really chilling to watch these videos by Leland
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Jones, Mike Pompeo, our former secretary of state and
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I think the president of one of the South American nations, I
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don't know if it's Brazil or Venezuela, met with these Sanhedrin and these
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highle rabbis and they're in this chamber of hestone and they're signing documents.
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What is in this chamber that I had to really dig deep to find
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this? Well, there's a an arc. What they call the ark is what they put their
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Torah scrolls in. And it's in the shape of a pomegranate.
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And this is very symbolic of the new temple um Solomon's temple from before
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and in the writings of Freemasonry because Freemasonry plays a huge part in this rebuilding of a third temple if
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they can ever pull it off. There's a a gold pomegranate in this chamber of hu
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stone and it opens. It has doors on it and that's where they put the ark. They have what is called an ark in every
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synagogue where they put the scrolls. But engraved in this uh pomegranate
45:51
is the song of songs and the schma, the shimma, which is the prayer here, O
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Israel, the Lord our one, the Lord our God is one. Uh that's from the book of Deuteronomy. And Jesus actually quoted
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it. I've got all this in the book, not not about the pomegranate, but engraved on the pomegranate is those two portions
46:10
of scripture as well as a cobalistic prayer. The letters of this cobalistic
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prayer which are the anabak coach and this is a cobalistic prayer that
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contains this may shock Christians the 42let name
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of God. In in my book, I show there's so many different
46:34
names for God and codes for God and ways to put the letters together in gamatria. What's you know, cobalistic numerology
46:42
is called Jamatria. But this anaboo prayer is like a portal to from this bottom
46:52
sphere on the Sephroat tree to the seven spheres above it. And I have documents,
46:57
I have research I've done on this, and it opens a portal and what I think is just chilling. I mean, we shouldn't be
47:04
afraid, but you've got world leaders meeting with this reconvene Sanhedrin
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that came back together in 2004 after 2,000 years of not being here, the ones
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that, you know, conducted the trial of Jesus Christ. So, there is always a
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political element. Yeah, I think you're right about that, Jason. I mean, there's the spiritual and the political. Um, and
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I think we've seen that going on throughout history. And I don't I can't
47:33
tell you I have no idea how they're going to, you know, pull the all this together or how it's going to culminate
47:39
or even if it ever will. It's not what I believe um as a Christian, but I
47:46
certainly think it's important enough that Christians know about it so that they can identify things and they can
47:52
pray. they can pray for the Jewish people. I have been accused um criticized for this book that
48:00
it's anti-Semitic. I'm not anti-Semitic. Uh my mother, my stepmother was Jewish. I loved her so
48:06
much. She has gone on to be with the Lord. I I've lived in large cities where there's high Jewish populations. I don't
48:12
now. But the book is not written in that way. And I want to make that clear what
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it is really. It's not anti-Semitic. And I say at the beginning of the book, if anything, it's anti-Cabala and anti-
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Luciferian. And it really is just basically a
48:30
collection or a compilation of their own quotes from their own books, their own
48:36
mystical books that they have kept secret uh from the world for hundreds if not
48:43
thousands of years. Yeah, I can I can testify there's nothing anti-Semitic in it whatsoever.
48:50
And unfortunately, that's become this blanket term that they throw on anything
48:57
that might have something to do with anyone who, you know, is Jewish or Israeli or whatever. And that's a shame
49:04
because there obviously are people who are, you know, authentically anti-semitic. But, you know, it's it's
49:10
becoming to the point where, you know, it's almost uh any criticism or any
49:18
shedding of light on some of these things is called anti-semitic by certain people. And it's kind of like that with
49:25
seems like with everything right now. It's like I feel like our government is really moving towards trying to make any
49:32
disscent against what they want to implement uh seem dangerous and I think it'll be unlawful in the next couple of
49:38
years at least uh part of it anyway. And um I wish that uh people on all the
49:45
sides of the political spectrums would realize that because we all share the same rights, but I guess that's just the
49:51
way things are going. But um yeah and I know that uh now is
49:56
there there's 22 paths to the tree of life. Is that correct?
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Um the suffer at Sierra says that but I think that uh and then there's 10. I go
50:09
into the book and I haven't looked at that recently but there's I go into the book about that the 22 paths plus the 10
50:16
which would make the 32, right? Um but I think there actually might even be more than that uh from the
50:22
research that I did maybe even endless you know and you have to have you know
50:28
these passwords these are like in the center of the sephro uh tree uh
50:36
okay so you malcude is the earth okay and then right over that is yesid and
50:43
that's kind of the gateway where you know if you're the initiates begin their ascent. And they do this
50:50
like shamanism or new age um through mystical meditation, meditating on the
50:55
letters, meditating on angels. Uh they even use the deep breathing exercises
51:01
like um the Hindus and the Buddhists. So yeah, you ascend up these different
51:09
levels and at each one of these um spheres is like like an angel or a
51:16
guardian and it's very dangerous. They tell you it's
51:21
very dangerous. You have to have keys and passwords and there's stories about rabbis that
51:28
have experienced this and some have died and some have come out of it where they're mad. you know, they lost their
51:34
minds. But in the center of the um six spheres above Mount Coupe, it makes a
51:42
cube. And this is what is called Medatron's cube. And this is okay. This
51:48
is like I said when I was coming out of this N movement I wasn't in it very long
51:53
because of what they were teaching but and I found out through uh researching
51:59
these third heaven experiences this is what they want to see. This is
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what the rabbis have been trying to duplicate where, excuse me, where
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Ezekiel sees the chariot uh god on the chariot throne in Ezekiel chapter 1. And
52:20
so this is what the rabbis and other mystics are trying to duplicate. So they call it chariot mysticism or Merkoba
52:29
mysticism. And Merkoba is Medatron's chariot or Medatron's cube. And Medatron
52:36
is the one who like I said the they say he's the little Yahweh and he holds the
52:45
keys of knowledge. So there again it's salvation through um ascending degrees
52:51
of knowledge not through faith.
52:57
Now you mentioned uh Jonathan Khan I believe is his name and he wrote the
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harbinger. It's a pretty famous book if I'm not mistaken.
53:08
Yes. Okay. Jonathan Khan, like I hate to name
53:14
names, Jonathan Khan promotes and teaches a lot of Cabala.
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Um, in his book, The Oracle, this book is based on what he calls the
53:32
Jubilee Mysteries. And in the storyline of the book,
53:39
let me back up. Steven String, who was also part of this return, he
53:46
publishes String Communications, Charisma Magazine. uh they publish all of Jonathan Khan's
53:53
books and there's a disclaimer at the beginning of all these books including
53:59
the first Harbinger. Now Jonathan Khan has the Harbinger 2 the return and it appears to me Jason that these books are
54:06
written as a blueprint as a way to kind
54:12
of guide Christians in the direction that these men want them to go. And
54:17
there are so many uh similarities between Jonathan Khan's books and the
54:24
terms and the plans of Freemasonry. And so there's a disclaimer in these
54:31
books at the beginning of each one even though they're fiction. String communications Steven String has put in
54:38
these books what you're about to read is written in the form of a fictional narrative. I'm paraphrasing. Okay? It's
54:45
written in the form of fiction, but but everything in the book is
54:51
absolutely real. Okay. So, Jonathan Khan's book, The Oracle. This is the one
54:57
that really I couldn't believe. I've read every book. I I I'm reading the
55:02
Harbinger 2 now, The Return. And this is what his big return meeting back in I
55:07
think September was all based on. And that was a political thing as well to get Christians together in unity to do
55:15
whatever they wanted to do. It didn't work out. But um I've read the paradigm,
55:20
but this book, The Oracle, let me just set the stage. This traveler, it's always revealing
55:27
mysteries. I mean, there's so many mysteries in his books, it's just never ends. This traveler is given
55:34
uh a set like keys. He has visions and there's seven doorways just like on the
55:40
Cabala tree and he's got to have these keys or passwords to go through each one
55:47
of these doorways just like on the Sephro tree and there's
55:52
angels involved here. He writes about the chamber of Hume stone in the oracle.
55:59
He writes about the necessity of the church.
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This is a chapter called the uh metamorphosis of the stained glass woman. This is about the necessity of
56:13
the transformation of Christianity and that Christianity must return to its
56:20
Jewish roots. Okay? Just like Shapi Khan doesn't Jonathan Khan doesn't go as
56:27
far to say that the rest will be killed who don't. But he says only a remnant will go back to
56:34
their Hebrew Jewish roots. And this is part of God's plan. This is part of the
56:39
return that Christians have to return to their Hebrew roots. Now there is another
56:45
chapter in the oracle. It's called the Jubilee and Code. This one blew me away.
56:50
I have this on my website if anybody wants to read what I'm saying. It's on my website which we can give when we're
56:55
finished here. A lengthy expose of all, not all but much of the
57:01
Cabala that Jonathan Khan promotes. In the Jubilee Code, a chapter within the
57:06
oracle, Jonathan Khan lays out this mystical timeline of
57:13
the it it's based on a verse in Leviticus. might be Leviticus 25:10
57:22
and this word tashu which means return and this traveler has
57:28
to decode this mystery and he's given keys that look like letters
57:34
to unlock these secret doorways. Well, Jonathan Khan has publicly stated many
57:41
times, I mean people are like, "Wow, you know, how do you get this?" this and he goes, "Oh, it just comes as a download
57:47
from God." Well, this particular mystery in the oracle about the word tasha vu
57:53
and the missing vav, that's the I believe the it's the sixth letter of the
57:59
Hebrew alphabet. And it has the um numerical value of six.
58:06
And there's a missing va in this tashu letter supposedly that was you know
58:12
encoded or de you know encrypted when God wrote the Bible and it gave the date
58:17
for the reestablishment of the state of Israel in 1948. It was
58:23
hidden in there years ago. This story comes from the Zohar word for
58:30
word and I show it in this article I've written. Jonathan Khan did not get it from a download from God. He did not
58:37
come up with it. It is a Zohar cobalistic
58:42
fable all based on the missing Bob
58:48
and this returned. And if you notice, if you're paying attention, many many of
58:54
these pastors each um Jonathan Khan the need to return
59:01
return to what? will return to basically Judaism and the noahhide laws. Khan
59:06
doesn't teach noahhide laws and neither does Esak Shapi but so many are talking about this return and this is all coming
59:14
from the Zohar and the vav is central. I
59:19
show in the book that the vav, the letter vav is the middle pillar of the sephroat
59:25
tree and it is what connects heaven and earth and it's basically leviathan and
59:34
the serpent that's going to connect and you know through technology. I mean,
59:41
some of this stuff, it gets deep and it's hard to understand, and I don't want to go too deep with it, but I'm
59:46
just making the connections that this letter Bob, this six, and the rabbis themselves admit, you
59:53
know, that there's a big emphasis on 666 and this missing VA, which equals six.
1:00:00
And Vav is Medatron's number, and it's the number of creation, and it's the
1:00:06
number of redemption. And there's so much emphasis on this six and 666.
1:00:11
I'm not saying that's the mark of the beast. I'm only putting it out there what they say. So yes, and uh Jonathan
1:00:18
Khan, he wrote the book of mysteries. There is actually a an ancient
1:00:24
cobalistic book called the book of mysteries. It's called the Sephur Harim
1:00:30
and it's an ancient book of mysteries that falls under this umbrella of Cabala. Cabala is the system. The books
1:00:36
under it are like the Zohar, the Sephriater, the Sephur Harajim and other
1:00:42
books. And in the book of mysteries, Khan talks about I mean all kinds of
1:00:49
things like the secret, you know, the mystery of the six-pointed star. It's not a mystery for those initiated into
1:00:56
the cult the occult. And those of us probably like you and myself and others, we've done our research. We know what
1:01:02
the six-pointed star is. But to the unsuspecting Christians who read these
1:01:07
books, it's this is what Alice Bailey said
1:01:13
in her book initiation human and solar. Now she wrote her books. I think she was channeling
1:01:19
demons. Dewal Cool was her master, a demonic spirit. and she wrote these
1:01:26
books channeled from the spirit world between I think it was like either the late 1920s or early 30s up into the
1:01:32
1950s. Her books are a main staple of the United Nations. She said that it
1:01:40
would not be very long before the most basic initiations
1:01:47
of this Lord of the world, Theosophy and Cabala would be taking place in the
1:01:55
church in the evangelical church. And that at the head of all branches of
1:02:02
the church would be a master of this new world order and a master
1:02:10
initiate. And this is what I this is what I believe Jonathan Khan's books are. These are the low-level initiation,
1:02:18
the beginnings of the low-level initiation into all this. And so I'm
1:02:23
sorry. I don't mean to be harsh. I I I
1:02:28
wouldn't trust any of these people, these well-known evangelists, televangelists, any who have major
1:02:36
platforms, and if you are going to listen to them, just take everything they say back to
1:02:41
the Bible and stand with Jesus and the word of God.
1:02:48
Well, you can't get any better advice than that, for sure. And I was thinking uh while you were talking about the
1:02:54
those books and uh you'd mentioned in the book the traveler and in Freemasonry
1:03:00
you know they they call them traveling men and they're always traveling from the west to the east in search of light.
1:03:07
So, anytime I hear someone say traveling or something like uh on the level or on
1:03:14
the square, I learned that there's all these little masonic words that they
1:03:19
actually will use from time to time to kind of let one another know they're Freemasons or when they're writing let
1:03:25
you know only certain people know that they are, you know, brothers. And so I just wonder if perhaps you know he may
1:03:32
be one of the Freemasons or maybe he's just a cabalist uh you know which is very similar but uh yeah your book's
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just fantastic and it opens up so many avenues and I you know I think once
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people start understanding Cabala and understanding some of the symbolism behind it a lot of other other things
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that they seen in the media and seen on online and in movies uh are going to
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start to make more sense and Um I think that that is they need to understand we
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need like you were saying uh talking about discernment you know I tell people we need to pray for discernment you know
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it says what is that verse my people perish for lack of understanding
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yes Hosea 46 I think one of my favorite verses and it's true I mean because you see how
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easily the masses are fooled like I follow politics and I'm pretty passionate about it but I follow
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politics and I see how easily both sides are just they believe these things that these presidents and these uh figures
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they believe what they say because they want to believe what they say you know and and and we're only given two sides so it keeps us at each other's throats
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and uh if people don't understand these things and don't understand this hidden esoteric knowledge or at least some of
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it uh they really don't understand half of what's going on because I think you said that they've probably been using
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these techniques and using this hidden knowledge for probably several thousand
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years on the on the people and you know to rule people if you know this hidden
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uh information and you don't give it to them then that's a way of you know controlling them and tricking them and
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and keeping them confused. So I highly recommend people buy the book. Is there
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any other things that you'd like to mention about it that uh that you didn't talk about? Um, no. I just uh I want to
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say that I appreciate what you're doing and um you know whether it's Freemasonry or Theosophy
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uh the teachings and the writings of Alice Bailey and uh Helena Bllovadski or
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Cabala which really all all of these run handinand with um new age teachings. I
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can say that um there there was coming out of each of these
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streams or movements. They said that there would come a time when they would
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release these secrets on a global scale. And that's what the Zohar prophecy is
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about. Uh Alice Bailey said the same thing. I'm sure Manly Hall said it. And
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this was to achieve almost a condition.
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Well, I call it critical mass because that's what they call it to get enough people to join together to believe it.
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And that gives some kind of at least in their estimation some kind of a a
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spiritual uh power to bring some of this stuff about. But you know, it's we as
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Christians, we know God is completely in control. We we operate by faith. Okay.
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Um and we don't need to to fear, but we just need to be aware that there is a
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planned agenda. Like you said, it's been going on for thousands of years, and now is the time. They have released their
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secrets and God is allowing it. But it's our place to recognize it, stand against
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it, pray, and you know, just look to the father through Jesus Christ and uh and
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be that light to those who are lost in the world. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you're right
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that it's you see all these different belief systems coming together and they
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all have the utopian idea and even even the Q movement had that same new age
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utopian idea that the theosophical society and and cabalists have and Freemasons have. So people need to start
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looking around at people that aren't believers because I'm never going to, you know, try and shove my faith down
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someone's throat. But I would just tell anyone who's listening who isn't a Christian and doesn't want to have anything to do with Christianity, at
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least ask yourself why all of these other sets of belief systems, including our government in these large
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corporations that are really joined in with the government and and seem to be creating some sort of type of fascist
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governing system. Ask yourself why they all have similar beliefs and their one
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common goal that they have or one common enemy is Jesus and Christianity. And I'm
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talking real Christianity. Uh not these charlatans on TV like Deianne was
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talking about and and these other guys who were teaching Cabala and New Age spiritualism and different things like
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that. So yeah, ask yourself why that is happening. And uh I guess I'll just ask
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you uh Dan if you'd like to give your website and tell people where they can get your book and possibly communicate
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with you if they'd like to. Yes. Um thank you. You just made a great uh ending point there. So I appreciate
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that. Um the book is available at Amazon. I've been trying to get it on
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other um media platforms, but just Amazon. It's Cabala Secrets Christians
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Need to Know. Um Deian Loper. And I do have a a blog type of website by the
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same name cabalaschristians need to know.com
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and uh you can read several of my articles on there. Um I'm on Facebook
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under Deian Michelle Loper. I usually give that out. I had some issues with um
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people I didn't know. Let's just leave it at that. coming in um um through some of my emails and I just kind of had to
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not give that out anymore. But I I am on Facebook and happy to speak with people
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through that um avenue if they have questions. Fantastic. Well, I'll definitely put
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your information in the show notes and uh I I just thank you so much for coming and talking about this and I'd love to
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have you on in the future if you'd be willing to. I think that um with Cabala there are so many different levels of it
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and so many things to understand. We've just kind of scratched the surface, but to do too much would just confuse
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people. And so I would just advise people to pick up your book and uh start looking into these things themselves.
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And I think they'll be amazed that the world that it opens up. And it's kind of scary to realize there's so so many of
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these hidden things that are basically hidden in plain sight nowadays, but um it'll really open your eyes. So, thank
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you once again, Dean. I appreciate it so much and I hope to talk to you very soon. God bless you.
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God bless you. Well, that concludes my interview with Deian Loper, author of Cabala Secrets
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Christians Need to Know. And I appreciate you listening. I apologize for that noise on her end. She was
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having some problems with her microphone and we had already had to reschedu the program once. So, I did not want to miss
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having that interview with her. So, I hope that you can get past that and enjoy the information provided. I know
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I've been getting really Jesusy with the last few episodes, and I know that's probably turning off some people, but
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hey, it is what it is. I'm afraid my buddies at Alternate Current Radio are thinking I'm trying to turn into the
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next Tex Mars or something. But, uh, and I don't know, maybe I will. Who knows? I I'm just getting people on that I think
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are interesting. And I'd heard her on several interviews before I got the book. And the interviews were so
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interesting to me because I wasn't aware of a lot of that stuff, a lot of the symbology regarding Cabala, even though
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I had a couple other books. It just it opened my eyes to some things that I think other people need to know. So
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anyway, it really is it's like this. It doesn't matter if you believe in Christianity. It doesn't matter if
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you're a cabalist, a theosophist, a newager, a member of the Golden Dawn, a
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Rosian, a Freemason. It doesn't matter because those people
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believe it. Those people believe it. And the occult is pushing towards this
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Armageddon type scenario. Now, they may think it's not going to be quite like an
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Armageddon, but they are definitely pushing towards order out of chaos. And I don't believe
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they care if there's an apocalypse before their order, before their planned
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utopia. Remember, many of them think that they are rebuilding Atlantis. They
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are building the new utopia.
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