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This is part 2 of our series exposing Dan Duval, Bride Ministries, and Fireplace Church. We will hear directly from Carolyn Hamlett and others who've left Bride Ministries. The affects of Dan's practices are widespread.
Concerns within the Christian Community: Many within the Christian faith express concern over these types of practices, seeing them as a departure from core Christian teachings and potentially harmful, as they can lead to spiritual deception or manipulation. Spiritual Warfare: Some Christians view these practices as a form of spiritual warfare where individuals may be engaging with demonic or unbiblical spiritual forces, often unknowingly. What is taking place is no less than Christian witchcraft, Manipulation & Control: A central concern is the potential for manipulation and control over others, using spiritual authority or claims of spiritual insight to influence or coerce individuals. False Teachings: Another key concern is the spread of false or unbiblical teachings, where traditional Christian doctrines are twisted or blended with occultic concepts, potentially leading people astray.
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and I'm here with Lauren Grace we said that we were going to come out with some of the information that you want to be
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more specific about what is involved in some of these ministries the Luciferian teachings it's going to take a number of
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videos probably this is actually our first time we've even trying this so u please excuse whatever problems we may
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have while we're while we are trying to do the recording and uh it's taking you honestly we are it this is not an easy
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thing for us to do and it's harder for us even because trying to both Lauren
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Grace and I are both um self-conscious we have we we are not we're not
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comfortable being on a video and anybody that knows us knows that's true so um we
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discussed it we decided that it was a good idea for us to go ahead and step out and and try to do a video and
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because we think it's important for you to see I mean it's it's just good when you when you're looking when you're
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seeing the person that is talking and it isn't just the audio and um anyway so
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we'll just we're just going to do the best we can is our first try but um what I'd like to do right now is to start off
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with the the most recent article that Lauren Grace and I wrote um I guess I
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didn't um I assume everybody knows who Lauren Grace is she and I have done a number of programs together and she's
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also a survivor of satanic ritual abuse and um cults Christian cults we have uh
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very similar backgrounds in some ways yet in yet dissimilar but um our unique
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backgrounds do provide us with the ability to speak with authority on these these issues that we're going to be
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addressing and so we're here to share what we know with you and also to point you back to the Bible because that's
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that's the main point the Bible is the word of God and it's um um I know this
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for a fact you know for 30 years and I think that if it wasn't the word of God people would know by now you know so it
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it isn't just the written word it's his holy spirit working in us and and that's the transforming part and without him
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working in our hearts in our in our just our whole selves you you will you will
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not grow to become like God and he gives us those directions in his word so um
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right now I will like I would like to go to my article actually it's raises my article and for me right now it's best
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if I if I start reading a little bit from the beginning um I would like to tell you though at first when I started to write the article for my part of it I
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was thinking about starting it off with just a reminder what was going through
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my mind was something that happened to me when I when I was a new Christian there's a lot of similarities to gay than there as there were at that time
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there's an article I wrote called the competitive swimmer that almost drowned in the sea of churchianity and that is
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on my blog there's a lot of similarities because during those times there were it was it's a charismatic movement and I
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was told when I just before I left the spiritual hierarchy that the Satan spiritual hierarchy that they were going
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to be using the charismatic movement perhaps they even invented the charismatic movement to to
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um to use that as a method to get people into the supernatural to be seeking
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gifts and and power and ministries this is what the same thing's happening today
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where rather than people becoming wanting whoops before wanting them to be
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before people wanting to be like Jesus Christ instead they're wanting to be more like uh I mean more interested in
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ministries and power and developing their gifts their gift minded gift centered and in order to when they
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become like that they don't have the love in their hearts for people that needs to be there like Jesus Christ it's
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easy to be sidetracked but you have to look at the fruits of people when They become gift centered they're they're
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um I mean it's deceptive we'll get more into this it's deceptive it's not wrong okay gift self-centered it's
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self-centered self-centered yes it is self-centered very self-centered instead
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of Christ centered and they they become they want to become
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better at you know how can I be a better gift the word word of knowledge twitter i'll tell you what I when people are
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gift minded and they're seeking for the gifts they end up be self because of
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their self-centered like Lauren Grace said they become selfish they become uh
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you cannot have the Holy Spirit working through you if you are self-centered the
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love of God isn't going to be operating so first of all the gifts are not for us it's God working through us to to to
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help other people and you know my my feeling is that this whole this whole thing about the gifts
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of the Holy Spirit it's just it's it's it's a natural consequence a natural
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consequence of when you are putting God first and God's the one that does that god heals um I'm not actually starting
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off the way I wanted to but something else I want to share before before I read just I'm just taking it as it comes
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there's a um a Christian woman I met a number of years ago a very strong wonderful woman of God her story about
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when she became a new Christian first when she first became a Christian this was a newbie this is a newbie she had
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she she laughed and said she didn't know any better but than to believe what the word of God said that we will be healing
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people raising people from the dead that kind of thing well in front of her house one day there
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was a car hit the neighbor's cat and all the neighbors ran out there it just you know just so happened they all ran out
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there they were standing around you know oh my gosh what are we going to do this is this is terrible they're kind of in shock well her first thought was she
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said she didn't know any better than just lay hands on the cat and pray for the cat you know and then you know the
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cat she said the cat was dead everybody's convinced the cat was dead but whether it was dead or not the cat
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got up she prayed for it it got up and everybody was just so surprised well was
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there any kind of an atmosphere that she had to create to bring healing did she have to instill faith in those people
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standing around her no did she have faith all she knew she just believed that out of her heart she cared for the
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cat she cared for the owner her heart was broken and she took the chance to just pray now it's possible maybe that
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wouldn't have happened another time i don't think it would have uh just wrecked her faith right there but but
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the thing was she she tried that is a newbie there's these books out there now that'll tell you you need to learn how
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to do certain things and this you're going to develop your skill and ability and this will show you how and you know
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I'm trying to send and Lauren Grace and I are trying to send you right back to the word of God because that's what you aren't going
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to tell you what when you're when you're gift seeking you're not seeking you're not going according to the word of God
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when Jesus said God is even the first commandment you'll have no other gods before me i mean there's nothing wrong
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with that it's I mean it's just like if you love God it's like you're gonna he's
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burst in your mind when you wake up in the morning he's first in your mind and when you go to sleep at night he's burst
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in your mind during the day and it's that's the way it is my people people
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that aren't people that are have the have God in their hearts or has a heart for God are not going to be thinking
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first of gifts they're going to be thinking of how can I be a better person today god help me get better person god
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help me um speak say the right thing to somebody help maybe maybe smile at
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somebody and it'll lift their spirits today help me do that it's a servant's heart servant's heart right thank you
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Lord Grace okay I guess I'll stop talking no that's fine you're doing great i just That's what struck me when
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you were talking like that and that's so true it's not self-centered it's God- centered and it's others centered you
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know you're Well you can't you know what I mean it's like God's centered and then you know you want to serve God and serve
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other people you know and you because you love people that's love in your heart it's not arrogance it's not pride
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it's not um it's not self-centered it's God and others so yeah and so what you
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know I I wish I had more faith at times to be able to pray for somebody and and uh I can have faith I can have faith to
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pray for somebody else you know for their health and stuff more than I can for myself it's kind of weird how it goes but you know we're all a work in
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progress and and how are we going to get help it's through God himself it's not from some inferior human being that we
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put our trust in that that person is going to tell us what the Bible says no i mean God can't God tell you he can't
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kind of tell you you read his word and he directly tell you to your spirit body
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soul spirit for one you know um tell you in fact okay this is got kind of going
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off but I started thinking about me saying body soul and spirit um this fits in where before I became a Christian I
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don't even like to use the word Christian anymore but a follower of Jesus Christ a follower of Jesus Christ
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um I was more in a lot of ways I was like a Spock you know from Star Trek i was taught how to either to mask my
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feelings control my feelings i could uh use a certain body language to get
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people to think I'm thinking one thing when I'm not the whole thing was to to not let people know what I was thinking
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or or doing i mean not know let people know what I was thinking by body language or anything so the point is
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that when I became a follower of Jesus Christ the love of the love of God Jesus
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Christ was in my heart which is love for other people everything it's like I would hear a I would hear a song i would
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hear hear a verse from the Bible and all of a sudden my body is reacting crying
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it would tears would come down my eyes before I even sense anything emotion before emotion would happen in me that I
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mean I didn't even have a chance to control it even if I wanted to that was my body reacting we are body soul spirit
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working together as one god created us so we're wonderfully made we are we
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are fallen creatures but God never intended for us to to be separated body
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soul and spirit and what some of these ministries are doing right now and this is one of the things that that Lauren Grace and I want to address is they're
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trying to split you not only are they trying to they're trying to separate you body soul spirit so that they can use
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your spirit they can um even divide that they're actually splitting people but
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the the the thing is the souls were not a curse the b the way God created us was
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not a cursed body soul and spirit we don't need to go to to our spirit in order to to be a superior being or to be
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in touch with God that is strictly luciferian teaching i mean this example
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about how how my I'm sure a lot of people that will listen to this knows what I'm talking about how you your body
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will react to certain things that it's the Holy Spirit in you that gives you
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the chills that tears you get tears before you have an emotion it's the it's the Holy Spirit of God in you doing
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that where as if you are not taking time with God if you don't have his Holy
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Spirit in you you may be reacting according to unholy spirits you don't want that to happen and it so easily can
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happen if that's why that's why Lord Grace and I want to address this i want people to go back to the word of God and
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to make sure that it's the Holy Spirit how are you going to know what's the Holy Spirit what isn't the only way is you need to go back to the word of God
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because his the word of God is is living it is his you can read it and sense his
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spirit and how are you going to know what his spirit is like unless you spend time with him that way and and ask and
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pray to him and um read his word his spirit will will you your spirit was
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made by him your your soul it all comes from him so your spirit's going to re react and and um identify with the
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spirit that comes from God's Bible not from some man telling you or woman telling you that taking a scripture out
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of context or partially out of context and telling you it means something and you know you're going to sit at their table and let them feed you what they
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what they say go to the Bible yourself yeah you'll find it and not only that you'll get God's Holy Spirit you'll
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you'll perceive it and your spirit will grab hold of that thing that's that is discernment how are you going to have spiritual discernment it's of God it's
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not going to be from eating at somebody else's table you know it's like ABC gum already been chewed gum you know it
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might be full of germs it might be an unholy spirit coming from that person so anyway um I guess I'll get off my soap
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box for a second then sounds good i'll read I'll go ahead and um and read some
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of the introduction of the article that that Gordon Grace and I put together okay um in the article it
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starts off I said I said many people have asked me to further explain my reasons for leaving Bride Ministries and
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this article is part of a lot larger conversation that Lauren Grace and I are going to be addressing in more detail in
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the future and um that's what we're doing right now and like I said there'll be some more videos that we're going to
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get into to discuss some of this and and share with you what we what we know so
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but for now I said this is the beginning um and this article is long and it is very long but we encourage you to read
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it more than just once as there's much information um for you to process so um in in early November which is actually
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um I think it was November 3rd when I made my final public announcement I went public with my break with Daniel the
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Fall and Bride Ministries and I said "Please review the copy of my public announcement hey
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the unconscious mind they call it the unconscious mind why because see our spirit engages all kinds of things we
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have no awareness of but oh if we understood and could connect with our
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spirit fully oh the veil between heaven and earth would
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collapse because it's a component of our nature and I discovered the human spirit i have really really been understanding
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this in a whole other level and I'm going to explain some of the mechanics of this to you now uh just just in how it presents in real world real life you
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know what have you seen of this Daniel that's helped you to put some of this into context well uh let let me tell you a
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story i remember the first day I tried to engage my own spirit man this was strange it was weird to me it's weird so
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there I am and I'm sitting here in my chair and one of the things that I do when I work with survivors is I work with what is known as the human spirit i
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I do the same thing that uh Dr rob Rucker does we did a couple programs called ministering to the human spirit
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and I will minister to what are known as the seven portions of the human spirit as found in Romans chapter 12 the prophet the teacher the exhorter the
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ruler the servant the giver and the mercy and I'll I'll I'll get each one of them functioning um uh back where they
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belong they're going to be set in order they're going to be affirmed blessed in the name of Jesus i bless people's
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spirits and what happens for the survivor that is
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fragmented they will often be able to see within themselves and hear within themselves their own human spirit as
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they would one of their fragments or soul fragments pieces of their soul or
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heart that have been broken and shattered and splintered off they they will engage different personalities many of you understand that if you've
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listened to my program for any amount of time if not I have a page called mind control listen to the whole thing and then come to me with your questions
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afterwards um but they will see that there are these soul fragments they can talk to them they can engage them and I
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thought that all fragments were just kind of pieces of soul and spirit for a while i had to refine that understanding a bit because there are elements of a
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person that are pure spirit and they will begin to see those as if they were another altar but they will be shining
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and bigger and I would talk to people's spirit so I would say "Hey I want to invite you know so- and so's spirit to
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come forward." Just like I would say I want to invite so- and so on the inside to come forward when I'm doing this type of
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ministry and when I would engage people's spirits I would actually be talking to the actual spirit of the
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person and I I I sat there and I had this postulation and I said "Well I may
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not have lots of pieces and be fragmented like the people I am called to help but I have a spirit." So I
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said "Daniel's spirit I invite you to come to the
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surface." And I just got to close my eyes i sat here in my chair and I uh
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wasn't really expecting much and then this overwhelming feeling of
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intimidation came over me and I felt like there was something very very large
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and hulking standing almost on top of me and I was blown away by what I heard
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within myself and resonating from my core which I would say is right around my solar plexus and then expanding out i
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heard the words I am uh a very important person
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and the reason I'm asking people to review that copy and the reason I put it on my blog was
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because people seem to have forgotten that I stated why I left and I also
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stated that the matter had been brought to Daniel Deval's attention and in fact
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Daniel's agreed and he he he wouldn't call them luciferian doctrines but I know they're
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luciferian doctrines and um he agreed and he supported the very doctrines that
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are luciferian and then well there's even more to that and I stated in this this original
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statement of why these things how I know they're luciferian doctrines and I know the Luciferian doctrines
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because when I was I was just a child I was probably I wasn't even three years old yet i know it's hard to believe but
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it's true i wasn't even three years old yet and I understood quite a bit of the the u the plan Lucifer's plan in Lucifer
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is Satan and the plan is to deceive humanity as much as possible to get them into one is to fall in line with the new
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world order and be in agreement with that but it was more than just that it's a deceptive plan where Lucifer wants to
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to uh rule or us he wants to rule planet Earth he wants to have a physical spiritual is a lot of it is like
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Superman but not everybody's going to be like super men or super soldiers or super warrior um it's a there's going to
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be a pecking order with it also but when I was a child I was I was told that just
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before they were going to put the global leader in power that there were there was this it's
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actually okay some of the ascended masters have parts of the plan they're
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in charge of the plan but this particular part is done by Lucifer himself which he's very proud of and
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it's like his ace in the hole or whatever the term the right term is that it's his last one of the last cards he
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wants to play that it's such a such a terrible it's like he's laughing about it he's so pleased with with with this
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type with this plan it is actually to get Christians into the Luciferian
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doctrines and practices all the while they're thinking that they're serving God and it's just a matter of changing a
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few names it's the same practice and some of it's the same terminology and
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we'll go into that and I'll show you why and and how but it's taking you away from the away from Jesus Christ as
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savior it's taking you away from the Bible it's taking you into yourself it's it's taking people farther and farther
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away from being servant motivated to to God
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to have a love of God in them for other people it's making them selfish and if
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you look at the people that are involved in these practices in these doctrines they at least in the the the Christian
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part is well even in a division with Satan's spiritual hierarchy they
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become they're evilhearted the fruits are terrible now there are a lot of good people that's there's a lot of good
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people that are involved in in the occult that have good hearts and it's
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sad for me to say this but it's absolute truth there's a lot of these people that are far better and better betterhearted
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than the majority of the Christians I've met they have these friends that I've had in the past and some of the people
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that I've seen that don't don't call themselves Christians have more love in their hearts for mankind have more
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common sense than a lot of Christian people that's wrong that's wrong you know it should be the other way around
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but it isn't because people are getting there it's what's in your heart that's what Jesus was talking about it's what's in your heart if you're self-motivated
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then you aren't going to be motivated out of love for others so um here I am
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going off on another thing again um okay um I'm not going to read what I
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wrote the the why I left Ride Ministries but I do want to say that there's a clause that um I don't have it in front
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of me right now i mean if if Lauren Grace wants thinks I should read it I mean I guess I could find it what I read
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there's a clause that I had at the the original post that I made of when I left Bride Ministries actually I'll just go
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ahead and read it i mean but the last clause had to do with I call it an insurance policy it was because it had
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to do with I actually feared for my life now did I fear that Daniel the Bal was going to come come harm me no I didn't
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feel like Daniel the Ball was i felt like the people he's hooked up with
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um maybe one of them could i know that there's a lot of people that are loyal to Daniel the Ball i know that there's
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people that are hateful and in fact I I've seen some terribly I mean I've
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received a lot of hateful emails and messages from people that only Satan would send seriously Satan or a demon
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would send me and this it it's just it indicates that I was right when I put
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that that clause in my article because not only the problem here is that it
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isn't just maybe some person that wants to be loyal to one of their people you
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know we talk about leaders uh Lauren Grace had a point usually talking about it probably about leaders there's a difference between servants and leaders
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but these people are not following Jesus Christ and they're they're following a
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man or they're following a doctrine people they're gift motivated they're they're they're not Jesus Christ motivated so they get they think they're
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doing people a favor sometimes if they want to bring harm to somebody they want to pray against somebody this that's
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actually Christian witchcraft so yes yeah it isn't just in the physical realm sure they could find me and um cause me
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some trouble in fact that night after I posted this I called my family members
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and I told them I told them what was going on because I they needed to know that I was I I was I was fearful and and
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one more thing I'll mention at this point um after I after I posted this
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um one of the things that Daniel did I mean this is after I had talked to Daniel on the phone for I don't know for
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an hour or something and I explained all of my concerns and um that's I won't go
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into all the detail about that and what happened afterwards but if I if I need to I will i mean I have I have proof of
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of everything how it went down and people for some reason um well well Daniel just Daniel chose to give a
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different story he didn't have to but that's you know he's hiding stuff so he did but I'll be more than happy to
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um to give some of that that information out but Oh anyway yeah back to that i did I
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I was fearful and it isn't just because it's somebody could bring harm physically it's these people are doing
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something stuff in the supernatural right these people are being trained to be warriors with the with the um the the
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identity their whole identity some of these people not all of them but some of them with all these the gift motivated thing the spirit man doctrines the
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um just the the whole warrior mentality in the supernatural they are ready
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they're biting they're chomping at the bit some of them are choing at the bit to do warfare and when who's the enemy
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well it's sometimes the enemy is whoever they they believe their leader if if their leader has an enemy that's going
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to be their enemy so now but I I know that these people some of these people people are teaching and they're they're
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in bride ministries i know this i have proof they are um they're in bride
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ministries and I'm sure they're in other ministries too but they're teaching people how to bring harm to other people
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in the super from the supernatural they're astral traveling they're doing remote viewing they are learning how to
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do psychic energy shves they they can and I don't doubt that some of these
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people I don't know if they're okay i don't doubt that some of these people have the capability to
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actually bring physical harm and possibly kill somebody if they don't already know how I'm sure they'll get
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there because the demons are more than happy to help these people do it because these people are bringing harm to other
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people they're not helping people this is not God's way if you look at the Bible from the Old Testament to the New
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Testament God has his way of doing things and Satan has his way and this is not God's way at all god doesn't do
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astral doesn't tell you to do astral traveling no matter what they call it and we'll get into more of that and I'll show you in Born Grace and I'll show you
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why this these teachings are purely a cult they're not going to they're not good so anyway yeah I feared for my life
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and I I was afraid too i just wanted to interject i was afraid too i had already
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uh been attacked but I kind of felt because I didn't know the full story at
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that time i wasn't talking to anyone i had pretty much secluded myself from everyone including you and um just
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because I was very upset and stressed and I was trying to get my um just get
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myself back together you know try to heal up a little bit and um of course that's a process it's a lifetime process
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i feel healing um but I had been feeling attacked and I
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recognized that it was from the outside but I kind of thought to myself well maybe I'm just being paranoid you
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know maybe I'm why I mean honestly why would they bother with me and see the thing is is I knew who it was coming
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from i knew where it was coming from but still that little denial part of me
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which is part of dissociation you know is in denial constant denial no surely I'm just making this up i'm sure I'm
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just paranoid um come to find out they're actually literally practicing
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attacking people in the spirit and that scared me i'm not scared anymore um and
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I wasn't scared for long uh then the anger kicked in you know and then I had to pray about it you know cuz I got
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really angry but um but people need to understand that you can be fearful for
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your life not necessarily because you believe so and so is going to knock on your door with a 32 or whatever you know
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and shoot you that's that's that's not necessarily the case if you have people who are practicing witchcraft this stuff
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is not fake it's real and they can do serious harm to a person and to their
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loved ones and to their pets they can uh be financially devastated financially ruined why because demons are working
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through this in order to curse someone so this is real this isn't fake this
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isn't some drama no no one's trying to be a drama queen over here no one's Caroline's not trying to be a drama
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queen you know this is this is serious this is serious situation and it's not anything to make light of you know and
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like like you said Caroline you know they keep practicing their skills they're going to get better
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yeah that they are because that's what Satan wants but anyway I just wanted to kind of reiterate that to just to kind
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of give an agreement with so people know that that's I was I felt the same way
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there's a lot there's a lot she and I both can sense and I keep thinking
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everybody everybody thinks we're Daniel bashing
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um the the the point it's like I can't it's for for us or I have to say for
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myself and I know for Lauren Grace the same we wouldn't be here if okay originally what I started I'll just tell
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you right off the originally what I started to do how I found anything out to begin with of what was going on in
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bride ministries was well I had to put two and two together first I mean some of the people I hadn't been associated
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with I had been listening to Daniel Ball teach and preach or anything like that for quite a while for months And I didn't talk to him that much
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sometimes maybe um twice maybe three times a month but it wasn't like sessions we used to have like there was
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no it wasn't the counseling going on but when we talked it was like superficial stuff and then sometimes he we um wanted
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to talk about I mean we'll get into that later i mean he wanted to get information from me it was like um but
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it had to do with engaging me in in like the this this it was wrong put it this
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way i I it was wrong and it's exploitation yeah in the last I
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wasn't in touch with them for like 3 weeks but the thing is I was noticing the people my friends a few of my
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friends are in bride ministries and I they were talking some crazy stuff and
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talk and I was telling them look you know first of all I say where are you getting this from this is totally unbiblical and this is dangerous and it
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had to do with seeing the spirit traveling in the spirit had to do with courtrooms and stuff and um I was seeing
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these people change and in fact I've seen Daniel the ball changing maybe he
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was always uh the way he is that he's turned out to be maybe maybe I've been con from day
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one i don't know but I know that when I noticed the change when with the spirit spirit man stuff but it isn't just the
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spirit man stuff there's other stuff with it that they all work together but the thing is I noticed I was noticing
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the changes in some of these people and what they were talking about just wondering where they were getting it from and so I just listened i mean I was
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busy with other stuff i had health issues whatever but um I decided I was going to go ahead and um since I was
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starting to feel a little bit little better I had a few days where I was able I had this long list okay here I am
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trying to take so long to tell this but I guess I might as well i had this long
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list of things I've been wanting to do for months so I started checking off the list and getting them one one thing at a
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time done and then I got down to this one where people been asking me for for a year and a half at least year and a half maybe two years hey have you heard
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about the brain medic hey have you heard about u what Arthur Burke have you heard
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about this you know this person so I thought okay you know tomorrow I'm going to do this i'm going to look into this
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guy um and I realized when I looked into the praying medic named Dave Hayes I
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wish people call him by his name they always know who the praying medic is okay I uncovered all kinds of stuff and
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I found out I found out where all these teachings are coming from there's a number of names a number of people tied
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in to it so what I did is uh um I told Daniel first I said "Hey Daniel you know
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I Google all these people's names and your name's right smack dab in the middle of it." And he goes "Oh Carolyn I
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can't be bothered with with all that people associating my name with all these other people." And then um I said
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'Well okay whatever i said 'But you're right there in the middle and people are going to be associating you with this and with these
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teachings and so I started I did a little more research and I found out
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that I found out he's teaching this stuff he's teaching the same stuff i mean we're talking about there's Todd
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Bentley there's Bill Johnson those people know who he is Christians they want to stay away from those guys they may not know what he's talked what they
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teach but they know they've heard enough negative they want to stay away well we've got these people hooked up the
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ball right in the middle of with Jeff Jansen he's Daniel may not be um like yolked on the same yoke with
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these guys but he's yolked to Jeff Jensen Jansen and um the frame medic he
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claims he's not but he is and I mean it isn't about he wanted people in the
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beginning that they first they wanted wanted people to think that it was it was all about um me disagreeing with
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Darla no it wasn't about me disagreeing with Darla um it was Darla was lying about things and I caught her lying and
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Daniel Daniel I had to prove everything you know whatever you know but the thing is he was trying to say it was about
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that at first then he was trying to say it was about the pray medic Dave Hayes book a book and about him no it wasn't
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about that it was part it was only part of it then it is so much more vast it's the teachings it's the people he's
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associated with it's the fact that he denied it and then when when he got pushed into a corner
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Then he is start he started to to try to make it look like it appears to me he's trying to make it look like he
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was that he actually was okay these people are okay and oh she has a problem with a book but you know what he's one
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of those books there's yeah I have a problem with that I have a problem with all those books I have a problem with all these teachings these guys are doing
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it isn't just Daniel it isn't just just Dave Hayes it isn't just I mean there's
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a whole network of them and they're teaching the Luciferian stuff which like I said Lauren Grace and I'll be getting
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into that you aren't going to know you aren't going to know okay the
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people that okay the people that recognize what it is are the ones that actually read the word of God for themselves okay that's the key i'm
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seeing two different types of people so um anyway when when I realized how bad
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it was in um Bride Ministries when I realized when the people were lying to
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me and covering up their lies when Daniel Lal sent me a message after after
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I talked to him and in fact he said a couple things in our conversation that
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were not true and and I told him it wasn't true and he wanted me to believe
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that in one of our sessions that that something happened or he goes
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"Oh remember I stood up for you when all these people were coming against you and
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and you know all these emails." No in the very beginning when he was talking about the very beginning when he and I
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started doing interviews he told me nobody was sending him emails that anyway that's just kind of
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going off on something else but um anyway I didn't leave Bride Ministries
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over nothing i didn't leave it over the fact that a small little things were
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going on there pony little things there's no jealousy issues there's no problems with one of his guests that he
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had on there you know people that people should know me by now i don't think they know me by now i'm not going to that's not not an issue it's when it's people
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are being victimized when there's lying going on in with the people in charge of
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the survivors when their counselors they called coaches their counselors when they're lying and covering for one
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another when Daniel himself is lying yes that's an issue and they're using my
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name and the point is that people go "What's the church?" You know you're
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supposed to keep it yourself well the church happens to be international you know so how is somebody ever going to
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know if they a lot of people it's true a lot of people have gone to bride ministries
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because they've heard me tell people through emails through programs this is
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who I trust well I did trust i did and see a lot of people still do trust and
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the point the point is that I care I care for people and how
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are they going to know if there's stuff going on that's going to bring harm to them and how are they going to know I
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don't agree with that if I don't tell them i have to so when I made my first
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announcement I tried to word it in a way where I could say the least amount of possible but make it serious enough
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where people would know that I was leaving for a good reason very good reason but I didn't want to I also
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didn't want to get um panic out of survivors i wanted people to to step
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back and and look and think about it and then maybe get back with me i mean I was just I was trying I know it was a god
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danny wanted people to believe that I was being influenced by Satan that it was some rash just thing that happened on Halloween no it didn't happen on
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Halloween no it wasn't a rash thing and it's
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um anyway I don't know i feel like I shouldn't even gone off and you know
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talking talk about that but it's like how do I not talk about Daniel the ball
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when and and bride Ministries when they're doing all of this i came out of
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it there's people still in it and yes um Lauren Grace warned them warned
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um Daniel warned uh some of the counselors there at Bride Ministries that if something wasn't done this was
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on the way to being a cult a cul and I think she even mentioned the oult before she left she I think I saw
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her say did you say that like the oult dude i actually I don't remember if I use that exact word in my emails to Rob
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Ruckard and Preston Bailey but I I did say um a colt cult and I also said that
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Luciferian doctrine is being used so yeah I wasn't talking I wasn't talking
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to Lauren Grayson but you know what i've had people contact me that since then saw the very same thing and um I mean
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like I said I got some negative emails i've got some negative stuff but I've gotten a lot of positive because I'm not the only one that like I said I'm not
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the only one that's seen this and has tried to talk to Daniel and other people in there and they get treated badly they
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get lied about when I have two two other friends yeah yeah i've got two other
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friends i was thinking I might have a third two other friends that were lied about too they lied to me about it this
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is what goes on in a cult am I bad for Tell me i mean actually don't tell me because I've already been told some
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people think it's great that I'm telling the truth other people think it's bad that I'm telling the truth now um
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another thing about this here I am just I'm talking to whatever comes to my mind I guess okay I have friends that are mad
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at me the actually one person in particular is mad at me because they don't understand it's like everybody
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nobody seems to be sensitive anymore to about how bad it is for a counselor to
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be not only teaching the occult and it comes down the occult but to be lying too also and they know these i I have
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friends that are still in bride ministries that that know that Daniel the ball lied on all counts in his
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announcement after I made my announcement i mean when Daniel could have easily just
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said um oh yes Carolyn left um yeah we've got good things we got still got
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good stuff going on here at Ministries and we're fine he could have said something like that but that wasn't in his heart um he had to for some reason
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well I know what reason it's because otherwise why did anybody lie they lie
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they lie because they don't want you to know the truth they they're trying to con you and he didn't have to lie but he
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did it because he's covering up something and I do have proof that on everything that he said in his um
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announcement his own announcement after I made mine that he was he was lying on all
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accounts but you know am I attacking him because I just I had to make it public i was leading Bride Ministries
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no that's not attacking him is not attacking pride masters at all and and like I've said to a lot of people
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someday someday people will know that um my leaving was the right thing to do and they're making it public is the right
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thing to do it was because I care about people it's because I did it i did it out of love and of course I've been beat
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up everybody's been beating me up over it but you know what that's the way it goes it's the way it isn't when you tell
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the truth it's like truth is not popular people all these people want to say "Hey I'm a truth teller and I'm all for the truth and I know when somebody's telling
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the truth or not." Well it's like no you don't it's like you tell the truth i mean the
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prophets get stone to the uh book it up and Jesus all through the Bible it's like the prophets you think that they
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want to go give the message to people and it's like no because they know that the message isn't going to be well
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received so the thing here the thing here is um I still
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um I mean it isn't it isn't easy i mean being accused of being the attacker
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being victimized all over again by somebody who's supposed to be helping victims
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and for me to be silent is wrong and you know what if the last thing
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I I mean I may not ever do another interview again in fact the last interview I I did I was thinking that
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might be my last one if it's not because people don't want to interview me it's
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I'm just tired you know i'm just tired of this and I just want to I just want to disappear i just I just don't want to
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do this anymore um and why i mean I'm tired of it but it's like I cannot not I
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mean even if I disappear after this I have to I have to speak the truth first i have to tell people what's going on
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because I know this is a this is a huge thing that's hitting the churches this is from Lucifer himself and and it
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breaks my heart that I happen to be in a ministry that I believe so much in i happen to be smack dab in the middle of
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that thing talk about it's like the belly of the beast i'm I'm in this I'm I'm in that thing and there I find out
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they're teaching the same thing that I to that Lucifer had invented to to uh
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take Christianity down to take good-hearted people down and am I not to say something am I I mean how can I not
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name names and and and help people in the beginning I was thinking maybe I could just go like in the beginning when
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I was going to do just report and say these are the these are the things that are going on and uh these are the
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teachings but the fact is that Daniel and his ministry are involved in this and they're they're wanting to take off
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with this ball and make this huge this huge ministry with the fireplace church and that's a whole other thing strange
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fire we'll get into that all these fire things and they're all connected right
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so um yeah I need this how can I not name names i'm naming as few as
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possible but I mean if it's a god I want people I want Okay I know it's not a god
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but the thing is you guys out there can find out yourselves is whether it's a god or not
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by going back to your Bible if one of these guys tells you something means a
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certain verse means a certain thing go to the Bible yourself in fact it's probably best if you just fast
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from from from listening to all these people for a while and listen to the word of God that's what we were talking
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about last night yeah 50 to 100 bucks ahead to let some guy tell you how you
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can develop your gifts and get better at it and and uh activate certain gifts and
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you know be a better seer and all that it's no save your money
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god teach you through his word anyway I'm just I want to get That's true all that I've said i mean it's like I try
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not to say too much on this because I know people want to kick me for the for the little bit that I've I've said bringing up names but yet the little bit
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that I've said I just I just hope that it isn't it
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isn't it's like sometimes if I say too little then you don't get the full picture and it's better if I wouldn't
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have said even a little so I mean if anybody has any questions I mean don't start accusing me of stuff saying I
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didn't say saying I said something I didn't say if you have a question maybe I didn't express myself well enough i'm trying but um you know give me the
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benefit of the doubt and ask me please you know and don't let somebody else tell you what I told what I said if and
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if and if you hear something that I've said here that doesn't sound quite right ask me and or go to the word of God and
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always go to the word of God that's right i should be I didn't plan
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to talk like this shut up no you're fine you're just explaining where you're coming from why it's
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important well yeah of course you know anybody would in your situation i understand to an extent where you're
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coming from you know um it is frustrating but you know you have a voice and you're using it and you're
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just explaining where you're coming from where your heart is and you're just explaining to people that you know you're you've come out because you love
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people and you are not going to not warn them when there's danger that's our jobs
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if there's danger you warn other people if you don't warn other people and they fall into the same danger that you knew
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about then it's your fault yeah what happens if we didn't warn them right if if we see danger it's our responsibility
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to say something that goes for anyone and everyone you know now you you can say it in in in a way that is of God you
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know you don't have to browbe somebody but sometimes sometimes even the truth
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feels like you're being bow uh beaten across the head but you know I mean the truth is the truth you know I don't
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always have the nicest way of coming out and saying the truth myself i try but
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sometimes I just feel plain speaking is best so I when when I kind of beat
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around the bush I usually get into trouble so I try to speak plainly because I respect that in other people i
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don't know if I accomplish that but I try so anyway but we just wanted today
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to to mainly delve into the spirit man because there's like a lot of different things that are attached to this and
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they're interconnected so it's kind of hard to talk about one thing without talking about the other thing too but um
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I think there's like several different things here that and there might end up being more but main things that we
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wanted to address uh the spirit man the shining ones and all the different
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occult abilities that people are practicing and why they are not of God
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but they are actually a cult and that kind of goes that interweavves in everything you know um
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uh so a lot of things to talk about but um I guess we can just dive right into
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it did you have anything you wanted to say first about the spirit man and like
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No I'm gonna let you let you talk i'm just thinking about all the stuff I said that it's like some of the have stuff
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the stuff I have said and h
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whatever it's like I don't really have it's like if I had my notes I mean I could find some notes maybe I'd do
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better but um well I'll talk for a little while and then if you want to yeah if you want to find some notes that
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because I know that you guys emailed me some really good comments about some things that you found about the spirit
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man but um I'm hoping that we'll have a list compiled of different names of people and ministries and um churches
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schools etc whatever um that maybe we can put up on the screen uh maybe even put them in
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the description of the video so people can just see the names and research for themselves because there's a lot and in
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order for us to sit here and connect the dots for you is not going to be um it's
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just going to be too much you know this is weeks of research you would have to look into it for yourself so if it's
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important to you to find out for yourself to verify what it is that we're saying then you know definitely go
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research those things but um basically we wanted to talk about the
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spirit man and um Christian witchcraft i know uh actually God kind of dropped
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that phrase into my heart a few weeks ago before this even this whole thing blew up and I kind of he was like I want
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you to talk about Christian witchcraft and I was like "Okay I kind of know what you're talking about God." You know that's like when people get together and
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pray and then they kind of say a misguided prayer and they're not really being godly with their prayer and so you
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know it kind of sends bad things on people sometimes but no it's a lot deeper than that actually maybe in the
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past it was as simple as that but it you know it it doesn't necessarily have to
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involve um getting a group of people together on a full moon holding hands having a
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seance speaking in other tongues and invoking a some spirit in order for it to be Christian
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witchcraft um are you okay
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i don't know if I should keep talking or just stop yeah you
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know going on oh gosh how fun but anyway I was just you know talking about
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sometimes Christian witchcraft it doesn't necessarily appear to people to look like what it to to be what it what
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it is because very often you have people that do consider themselves to be
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luciferian but they would in front of everybody call themselves Christian you know so you have that side of it you
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have infiltrators you know you know a lot about that you know infiltrators and just you know different people who do
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consider themselves Christian but are they really Christian no they consider themselves more enlightened they know
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more about the Bible they're studying the deeper things of God i don't know if anybody caught that phrase if anybody's
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heard that phrase you know you're diving into the word and you're getting the deeper things of God and you know the
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the deeper meaning of scripture um which and I'm I'm not saying there's anything wrong there's nothing wrong with Bible
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study and delving into the meaning of things there's nothing wrong with that but I'm talking about finding you know
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esoteric meanings lucifer you know luciferian things to uh well I shouldn't
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say finding scripture to back up your luciferian doctrine you twist scripture around you know and anybody can do it
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anybody can twist words of anyone around so um some things I wanted to say um about
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Christian witchcraft is it like any other witchcraft it involves curses and
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but the curses are disguised as prayers they say they're praying and when we're talking about the things that are going
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on with this particular group um we're talking about them literally getting together and
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practicing their psychic energy shves where they will um pray and use their
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quote sword of the spirit to um pierce a person in the spirit but
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then on the other end of it the person receiving this sword of the spirit pierce in their body in their in the
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spirit realm they're feeling it in their body you know so these are the types of things that are going on and it's not a
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joke and it's very serious um
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uh it can involve curses uh that are disguised as prayers to shut people down to shut them up to bring harm to them
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physical harm um unexplained physical pain sickness and you know it can even cause
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death you know um to that person who's being targeted or to their pets or their loved ones can
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uh unexpected financial losses unexplained damage to property just a general curse you know over them um and
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all these things are done under the guise of spiritual warfare you know because we're talking Christians here you know we want to make sure we wear a
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Christian mask while we practice the occult so we're going to call it spiritual warfare and we're going to um
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put on our armor of God which you know according to these people you know the
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original armor that God gives us as spoken of in the Bible that's apparently not good enough because after a while
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they have to get upgrades so their spiritual armor is constantly being upgraded now they see this as a positive
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thing because they're getting a promotion in the spirit and when they get a promotion in the spirit their armor is upgraded so um I don't know
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that just seems to me that that's not entirely biblical um but you know use your own judgment um
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but it it def they use power of agreement you know they use power of agreement to do these things um and
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these curses are powered by demonic forces that the person or the group of people they're operating out of because
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they've opened themselves up and we're going to talk a little bit about the spirit man and how that's opening them up to these demonic forces um
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and when they're opening themselves up to demonic forces it's also causing them well giving them the ability to astral
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travel astral project remote view etc etc all these different types of things and so sometimes um these curses uh are
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actually executed by the person themselves and not necessarily by the demon that's that they're sending out of
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course they're saying that the demon's an angel that they're sending out of course but um you know uh they'll send
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out their their demons to do their dirty work but sometimes it's the person themselves a part of that person the
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spirit of that person that's coming and causing harm causing confusion um remote
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viewing I've anyway I I don't I've seen it happen and it's it angers me i'll
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just I'll just put it that way um angels yes many teachings involved that these
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people have angels and um right so the thing too
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is I look back on on my counseling and with with Daniel B you know there's a
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lot of things that they're doing today in the counseling that Daniel didn't do with me and he was just starting on the
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like the spirit the spirit man stuff with me when it's like we pretty much decided I was I was finished with
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counseling and um so we didn't really complete the the whole thing we didn't get into
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what everybody's getting into but I identified when he introduced me to the idea of the spirit man i I considered my
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spirit man to be the person that I've always been it's the person that I that I remember you know that I I people have
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probably heard me talk about being in the heavenlies well now I mean yeah I believe I still believe that was a real
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memory but the thing is in the beginning when I the first interview I did with Daniel Deval I was I had to check on my
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spirit because I shouldn't even mention it well I believe it's real but you know is it possible that maybe it wasn't yeah it's possible of course it's possible i
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do believe it it was real but at the same thing I felt like this isn't something that everybody needs to hear
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and Daniel said "Well this is part of your testimony so tell it tell talk about it." Well a lot of good has happened for people from me bringing
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that up okay but at the same time I don't know maybe some bad's happened but what I've seen is the very things I've
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had to check in my spirit about that something telling me "No you don't need to be bringing that up no this isn't for
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everybody are the very things that are being used now um to springboard where bride ministries
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is using to springboard other people into the occult so now I'm sorry I'm sorry hindsight I'm sorry I brought up
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about even the uh the this part about me remembering believing I remembered
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before I was born and that I wanted to say that to get back to the part about the angel now people have heard me talk
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about Edward an angel edward is considered an an ish an internal
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self-helper i don't know what Edward is and I've done prayer and and all that and I didn't daniel wanted me to be
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talking to my Edward be talking to Edward i didn't want to talk to Edward i wanted to talk to God but in our
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sessions we would talk to Edward okay now that I still don't know what Edward
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is if Edward actually is something sent from God to help me it's like it still
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isn't scriptural i'm telling everybody this because I'm having to re-evaluate everything with myself right and how are
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you gonna know if I don't tell you now that am I am I a less of a a God-guided
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person if I'm going to come up here and tell you i mean am I going to am I causing you harm by telling you that it's not good to talk to an angel even
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if some you believe that you got an angel in your system an angel inside of you that is
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telling you things that's helping you in your counseling or whatever i'm telling you it's dangerous and in fact I
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probably will have somebody pray over me i've had somebody pray over me already but not you know somebody I trust that can touch me or whatever i don't let
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just anybody touch me but the thing is this is not a good thing and they're using in bride ministries and other
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ministries steve Harmon is one of those people i've seen them i've seen um okay Todd Bentley apparently and and has a
1:00:02
has an angel they call them their angels and these angels do dirty work they're not angels of God is not typical of what
1:00:09
angels of God do you know go back to the Bible and look at how angels of God work so you must be very very careful
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cautious i trust in my counseling okay that's the deal we we have as survivors we put our trust in our counselor at
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least some degree in order to to get help well you know people put a trust that I was okay with everything
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that's going on in Bride Ministries well you know I didn't know everything was going on and I trusted that me sit
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talking about Edward was okay spirit it was not okay now now if I knew they were
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going to use this to get people to be thinking they should be talking to their angels or that everybody has an angel and they should talk to him there's no
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way there's no way I would have even brought it up at all so you know what's the fruit of this i just I pray to God
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that anybody that's heard me talk about Edward will listen at least to this part of this video that that we're trying to do that
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um it's uh it's dangerous you don't want to do that and so in these what Lauren Grace was talking about when she
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mentioned about these I don't know maybe you mention angel or spirit guide or something these are not good these are
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God doesn't work this way right and there are demons that will go right up they'll do the deeds in fact when I was
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in the occult I had we didn't call them spirit gods but I had a couple of demons that would go
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do dirty work in fact I didn't ask them to if nobody if there was somebody that was that
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um and would insult me or somebody that would not want to believe in me and that
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they're even real um or that anyway these things would go torture them
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almost to death and these are the kind of things that are happening to people in these
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ministries so-called ministries of God they're not ministries of God where these these spirit beings they're going
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out they call them their angels are going out to do stuff to people or they're actually intensifying some of these
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um these so-called gifts and I have screenshots from groups and pages on
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Facebook where they're teaching this and people are bragging about I have a name now that I'm not going to give it but
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you know if I have to I will um but you know you don't need to know the name of this either it's people bragging about
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oh I talk to my angels every day and you should too and let me teach you how to talk to your angels and they're proud
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about it and it's no no and and they're mad they're in fact this one group
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so-called spiritual warfare group um they're they were most of those people
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were totally against me and wanted to kick me out of the group why it's because I came in there you guys saw
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their name my name was mentioned in one of the comments and I wasn't even going to say anything but my name was
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mentioned because somebody was under the illusion that I had taught that it's
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okay to leave your body and travel as long as you're a Christian because God's
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going to protect you i had to answer that i came in and I said "Oh no." I said "That's that is the absolute lie i
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didn't say that." And besides it's terrible it's very dangerous and then we then I went in and
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then uh anyway um those people did they weren't happy with me being in the group
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and because I answered a few questions that were from my from the Bible i was teaching people I was telling people to
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go back to the word of God and that says something these are the people that are supporting that are involved in bride ministries yes a major role in bride
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ministries and and major people hooked up with Steve Harmon hooked up with Dave
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Hayes praying medic and the ones in in uh the bride ministries at first were
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were denying it they were denying that they're with these people and I had screenshots from like two years ago you
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know from when they're promoting all this it's like I've done my homework i mean I've been watching this for longer at least with about who's promoting what
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i just didn't know the depth of it and and all the diabolical teachings i mean I just had a a hint of the teachings
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improve i started feeling better my health started to improve i thought I'm gonna look into this and and I was just
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I was appalled at what I realized how huge this thing is and it's tied in with this the courtroom of heaven stuff that
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is that is I mean this whole they're all there's these doctrines are all one ball of wax you don't think they are but they
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are yeah they're all interconnected definitely it's hard it's hard to just pull out one and just talk about one
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without talking about the others too but we're we're gonna try try to like you
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know just little bite sizes I guess that you can say but um yeah like like
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Carolyn was saying you know they're they're sending their demons out but they're calling them angels um to do
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their dirty work and um sometimes the attack will be uh their spirit
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themselves and you know traveling in in your dreams or whatever causing chaos confusion etc um and this is something I
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wanted to bring up because sometimes the person is actively aware of their involvement they know what they're doing they might be deceiving themselves into
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what it actually is because they might still be trying to call it spiritual warfare um some of them may just flat
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out know exactly what it is i I don't know i'm not speaking of anyone in particular uh with bride ministry i'm
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not um because I don't really know their hearts okay um I know I have an idea
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about a few of them but I'm going to keep my opinion to myself because I will just I just feel more comfortable that
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way but um sometimes especially when you have dissociative people sometimes a part of them's involved and they don't
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even know that they're doing this but here's the thing with the spirit man is it's creating dissociation so a what
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would normally be a non-dissociative person a person who has not gone through childhood trauma not gone through satanic ritual abuse not gone through
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mind control programming the person who's non-dissociative when they start doing this spirit man stuff it is going
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to cause a spiritual trauma within themselves it separates their spirit from their soul part that's a spiritual
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trauma okay and it opens up the doorways for demons to come in you've just
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traumatized yourself so now you've gone from a normal non-dissociative person now you're dissociative congratulations
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i won't be giving you a medal because I don't think it's really congratulations are in order because I think that's very foolish i think it's ridiculous i myself
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am dissociative because of a horribly abusive childhood including satanic ritual abuse and mind control
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programming i didn't choose this but for someone who calls himself a Christian to
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actually purposely dissociate themselves cause such trauma to their spirit person to their spirit person to their person
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period they cause themselves such trauma that they actually split themselves and
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they cause themselves dissociation is absolutely ridiculous to me and oh it
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doesn't necessarily have to feel stressful or painful most of the time you're going to feel very euphoric guess
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what else feels very euphoric when you get your third eye opened that can feel very euphoric when you're meditating
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when you're communicating with demons you know so it's not
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necessarily you can't necessarily go based on feelings initially you know maybe not even ever because I believe
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that Satan can cause you to feel certain things and even you can have certain physical reactions that are euphoric
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they're pleasurable you know it's exciting going off and whooshing through the galaxy like super Marvel comic
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heroes or something you know but it's not of God you know there's you need to stay away from that and it's going to
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come back and bite you if you don't stop it because ultimately this is not a good
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thing you have caused yourself trauma you have dissociated yourself so you may
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be causing harm to other people but you may not be aware of it why because your spirit person has dissociated and is now
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demonically being demonically influenced and or possessed whatever word you want to use and is being used to go off and
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do things in the spirit realm you know um I became aware you know I I I went through part of this
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process with Daniel i didn't recognize it at first for what it was i don't really there's not really a lot of time
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to go into a lot of detail about why I didn't recognize it but I I will say very briefly um just my background i
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came from a very abusive childhood um my mother was very abusive uh my stepfather
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was very abusive uh we had there was a very abusive religious environment very very abusive religious environment but
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um I was that was bad enough and I would dissociate float out of my body etc because of that but then there were also
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other things that were going on in my life there was the satanic ritual abuse and the mind control programming that was going on but my front was Christian
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so I didn't realize that I had all of this hidden occult knowledge that had
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been programmed inside of me and put inside so because of the trust factor as well
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in a counseling situation because I trusted Daniel that he's a godly man and
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I trusted him that what he was doing was godly and right and I didn't listen to
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my gut i didn't heed the warnings within myself um that's kind of a long story
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but I didn't really recognize what was happening that's no excuse i still got involved in it still had to repent of it
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you know i'm I'm just saying I I wish I would have recognized it but maybe if I would have recognized it and wouldn't
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have gone through it then maybe I wouldn't be here today warning you about it you know but early on in the whole
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spirit woman thing um woke up one morning uh of course instantly I go inside this the whole thing you go
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inward instead of looking outward to God you go inward right you go inside um which is something that dissociative
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people do all the time you know I don't think that's necessarily abnormal but I saw my spirit woman getting dressed like
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she was going out riding or something i'm like "Where are you going?" She said "I'm going to go fight a tornado." I said "What okay that's weird." And I
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went back to sleep woke up a couple hours later i checked my phone my husband had texted me cuz he goes to
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work a little earlier he had texted me said there was a tornado in town but don't worry I'm fine it's pretty crazy
1:10:03
though i thought "Wow this is confirmation that my spirit woman is out there really doing some awesome warfare for Jesus that is so awesome." Well okay
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okay I guess you could look at it that way but let's look at it a different way okay um what if my spirit woman was
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actually if in fact it was my spirit woman you know maybe it was just a complete demonic entity that was um
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posing as my spirit person which is possible but let's just assume it's really my spirit person but um she's being used you know
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to go on assignments which I'm not um I'm not a stranger to that it's just a
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little different i've been used before in assignments to um actually
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um it I don't like to talk about it because it's very shameful but uh
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to bring harm and curses upon a pastor and his wife and his family and it devastated them they got physically ill
1:10:58
they uh got broken bones he ended up having a nervous breakdown the church split and they ended up leaving you know
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so these things are real curses are real i didn't realize consciously that I was being used for this assignment i was
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waking up with strange memories i just thought they were dreams you know but I I realize now now that I'm not nearly as
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dissociative as I have been my entire life i realize now what was going on but this is the same thing with my spirit
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person my spirit person is off doing this great exploit for Jesus fighting this tornado which tornado could be you
1:11:28
know a demonic spirit not necessarily a real actual tornado but
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um there's another side to it you know what what if what if my spirit woman is possessed or being manipulated and
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controlled by a demon it very well could be that I was sent on assignment with demons and see the thing that happened
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was this tornado supposedly just came out of nowhere um touched down in a person's yard and
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ripped a giant live oak tree up by its roots knocked it over and on this oak
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tree was the owners had placed had nailed the ten commandments on
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them and um that kind of creeps me out just a little
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bit creeps me out because you know there's um knowing now what I know about
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the spirit person i don't think that was of God and I don't think my spirit woman
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was one who was trying to fight the tornado i think my spirit person was
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actually involved in that assignment and that's very shameful and I've had to repent of that you know so
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um I just want to point that out that there may be some people listening to this don't really like what you're
1:12:40
hearing but maybe you're feeling a little convicted maybe you need to go think about things for a little while maybe you're not doing it on purpose
1:12:47
maybe you are but maybe it's part of you maybe it's a part that has been split off maybe because you were already
1:12:53
dissociative because of trauma in your past maybe because you caused yourself a
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spiritual trauma by separating your spirit from the rest of you causing a
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spiritual trauma you may be dissociative and you may not realize that your spirit's doing these things you may be like me you realize your spirit's doing
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this thing but your mind's worked and twisted and you think "Oh that's a great exploit for God." No it's
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not um I'd like to bring up something yeah absolutely
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the thing that with us when we were in in sessions coaching being coached
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that's what they want to call it life coaching you and I didn't know that I
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didn't know about a spirit man doctrine right I didn't either these were things it's like a lot of things Lauren Grace
1:13:39
and I put together she put together a lot more before I even realized what was going on she realized uh I don't know
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probably she started seeing stuff probably a year ago Um and many months ago she left Pride
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Ministries and I mean we were separated by lies but that's a whole another story
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but the the thing the thing is when when we were in when we were in counseling there were things that were
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being used to so-called help us and we thought that it was just maybe God
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showing Daniel the ball how to how to help us and now I'm seeing since I I realized
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it's techniques of the this same spirit man stuff the same stuff that that that
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that's that Todd Bentley promotes years ago was promoting arthur Burke um right
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Bill Johnson these are it's not good but I didn't know this when we were in counseling in the counseling that these
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techniques I thought were supposed to help help heal us i didn't know where Daniel was going with it put it that way
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i trusted him okay now you know that's one thing dealing with survivors let's say it was a good thing well it wasn't
1:14:49
but let's say that they're incorporating something for survivors to help them we're supposed to be helping us cut the
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ties to the demonic to the occult um sever ties heal
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stuff uh pray in the name of Jesus all that um honestly toward I mean toward the end it
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was I I was there I bring that up i mean I was doing a lot of the training which was good but the but the point the point
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I'm trying to make is that we were supposed to be getting integrated being helped you know go there at our own rate
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to integrate that sort of thing it wasn't going that way for us even getting through to to our at our own rate but see things were different for
1:15:24
her for Lauren Grace it was was for me because I was like the first person that Daniel was working with and you had been
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through counseling before for years yeah oh my gosh i've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars years of counseling
1:15:38
to try to get help by the time I left by the time I finally quit counseling with Daniel he had he had already been
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telling me for a few months that I was almost there i'm almost done i'm almost finished i'm almost done counseling he's almost done i'm almost there i'm at the
1:15:51
finish line i'm at the finish line you know he's constantly putting that timeline on me and then he would bring you up Caroline as an example and say
1:15:57
"Well Caroline you know her and I we aren't really talking that much anymore cuz she's all healed up now." And I would "Well good for Caroline i'm glad
1:16:03
for her that's wonderful congratulations Carolyn but I'm not Carolyn i mean and Carolyn has been on her healing journey
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for at least 20 years longer than I have you know I mean seriously
1:16:17
I didn't go through a lot of the stuff you went through and I've said it so many times if I had to have gone through
1:16:22
what you went through the little bit I know I I would not be I would be
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boggers there's no I just you know some people just can't couldn't do it i want I couldn't have done it i am a little
1:16:33
crazy but not in the way everyone else is gossiping about yeah there's Yeah there's lies about that the thing too is
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that there's a certain thing that that counselors will do um let's say their techniques you know this is still a
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field that is it's a pioneer field i mean everybody's different every all all
1:16:52
the people who the DID people they're different you have to let God guide it and a lot of it has to do with God guiding us and but the but the thing is
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it's now it's like I was flabbergasted to find out that these techniques are being used to teach people spiritual
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warfare and the stuff that that I told Daniel about myself was some of the
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stuff that I said on their programs that um I I had a check in my spirit that maybe I shouldn't say that or that I
1:17:21
know it can be helpful for some people now I'm I'm questioning maybe I shouldn't have said it because now I'm seeing that these things are t being
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taken and used to teach the occult right they're being used as a blueprint to just for everybody and it should
1:17:35
it's like people are there a whole group of people that are they're all like they it's like oh that's exciting there's a
1:17:41
there's a portal in the in Orion's belt and you know another dimensional portal
1:17:47
stuff and I'm thinking right thinking you know if if I knew people
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were going to be all excited and want to go do go spirit travel to places that
1:17:58
they um you know it's one thing when you're dealing with somebody like well
1:18:04
us being used in the occult and dealing with those issues when I mean we're used in the
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supernatural right so our counseling sessions dealt with the supernatural it
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dealt with um me being used as a vehicle so to speak to enter into another realm so
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what do you do it our sessions my session with Daniel at times were it had to do with in the supernatural he didn't
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see it i have to help describe what was going on what I saw and and um how being
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guided by God to to pray to to sever the ties to seal it up and to be done with
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it and leave that was it's that's like a different type there's a type of surgery that right anyway you don't you
1:18:50
don't teach that stuff to people it's not necessary spiritual warfare like that is it's not God's way and some way
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the things that the the the things that we were doing in counseling sessions are now being used as techniques to teach
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other people the occult things and that's one of the things that angers me very much because I went for help i
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didn't go to get exploited and to have not only my stories but my experiences used to teach other people the things I
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was trying to get away from um and that's not right at all um it's
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exploitation and it was happening And it's victimizing other people they don't even realize it right it's victimizing
1:19:32
people in the name of God and there's where the spiritual abuse starts to come in this whole thing is just being
1:19:38
covered up and protecting all these other abuses th this spiritual
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abuse is what it is and if you speak out you're wrong you're not allowed to speak out well guess who you know that sounds
1:19:49
like that's a cult cults you aren't allowed to speak out with a cult you have very charismatic leader who's
1:19:55
usually very narcissistic very prideful and arrogant very abusive person and you
1:20:01
don't speak out against them at all you're shunned you're punished in whatever way that particular cult
1:20:07
punishes their people ignored lied about gossiped about you know cults have a
1:20:14
leader who is who surrounds themselves with yesmen people who pat him on the
1:20:20
back pat her on the back and say "You're doing a great job you're doing God's work." You know but it's not true in
1:20:26
cults there is such a spirit of religion that is so oppressive that it is
1:20:35
um no other doctrine's allowed but false doctrine you know it it's it's it teaches false doctrine and it protects
1:20:41
the perpetrators and vilifies the victims you have victims that are crying
1:20:46
out for help and no one does anything to say to
1:20:53
help at all and this is the situation that we have here with Bride Ministries and it's
1:21:01
a situation that I warned Rob Rucker and Preston Bailey about and true to a cult they
1:21:09
um ignored me you know and reprimanded me but that's to their detriment because
1:21:16
they stand before God not me so we all stand before God
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yeah you do which is another reason why I why I have to say something absolutely
1:21:31
you think you think I'm going to get a lot of people liking me for this if I was in this if I was in this to get
1:21:38
friends i It's pretty then I would be crazy all right then you would really be
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delusional don't be delusional Carolyn
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anyway you know what if if I didn't have one person that would stand for the
1:21:57
truth with me on this I mean it's like okay that's another thing people go "We're standing behind you we're standing with you." Or "We're standing
1:22:03
with so and so." It's like "Why don't you just stand with Jesus?" Right stand with the truth right we stand for the
1:22:09
truth that's all we want exactly it's It's not about Carolyn's side versus Daniel's side it's not about that it's
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not about that at all it's about whose side are you on god or Satan you need to choose if you're doing the works of
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Satan yet you're calling yourself a child of God you're not a child of God you've aired somewhere you need to come
1:22:28
back you need to repent you need to come back you need to get back in the word of God you need to start instead of
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focusing inward to do to practice all of your abilities these gifts these abilities that you've got this you know
1:22:39
word of knowledge or word of prophecy or you know this traveling in the spirit or this viewing in the spirit or um yeah we
1:22:47
we'll be getting into necromancy as well because there's necromancy going on it was going on in counseling with me um
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when you have a part of you whether it's your spirit man or a soul part of you
1:23:00
that is speaking to people who have passed who are dead I
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don't care if it is King David from the Old Testament i don't care if it is um
1:23:12
Noah or Moses or John the Revelator or Peter it doesn't matter who it is
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they're dead and you don't need to be talking to them that's necromancy if you're speaking to someone who is dead
1:23:25
that is necromancy if part of you is speaking to someone who is dead because
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you're dissociative or you've purposely dissociated your spirit from your soul
1:23:36
part so that you can get in touch with your spirit and your spirit is off
1:23:42
having dinner or lunch with King David that's necromancy your spirit is
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communing with the dead and it doesn't need to take place if it's taking place you need to repent and you need to check
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yourself and stop calling the things of Satan as if they're things of God because they are
1:24:03
not and it doesn't matter if it's a part of you you don't have to go drive down to your local graveyard light a few
1:24:09
candles draw a pentagram on the ground hold hands with two or three people and start chanting in satanic tongues to
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call up the spirit of your great great uncle's brother sister's wife you know
1:24:21
you don't have to do that i mean you can people do that in fact part of this whole charismatic movement which the PDF
1:24:28
file I strongly suggest recommend people go and read through that at least skim through it for some you know something
1:24:34
it's so good opens up your eyes historically the satanic roots of the
1:24:39
charismatic movement people uh will literally and they call themselves
1:24:45
Christians will literally drape themselves over the graves of these quote unquote mighty men and women of God in order to pass on the mantle of
1:24:53
anointing you know well I'm sure something's being passed on but it's not of
1:24:58
God you know it's an evil spirit is what's happening and um it it needs to stop so
1:25:05
necromancy definitely was going on is it still i don't know i'm not involved with
1:25:10
him anymore but it was and I've had to repent of that myself because my spirit
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um if in fact it was my spirit was involved in that as well that's against God that's
1:25:21
witchcraft so if you're doing that if you're involved in it just repent and God can forgive you and heal you of
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it i think I interrupted you again no I just I have not interrupt you because I
1:25:32
thought of something that I wanted to bring up one time or sometime and I'll just bring it up now and it had to do
1:25:38
with like the spirit travel stuff and you're talking about splitting with the the the spirit and the soul
1:25:45
well there was something I I'll there's like in this spiritual warfare group on
1:25:51
on the Facebook that I was talking about Daniel Deval okay a couple people asked I'd like to know what Daniel has to say
1:25:56
about this i said "So would I." He came in and he claimed that he cleared up the whole matter about spirit about asphel
1:26:02
traveling that he doesn't agree with the praying medic on this or whatever and that he thought that was clearing the whole thing up but he made a statement
1:26:09
that was completely incorrect but it goes along with this teaching now Daniel
1:26:14
supposedly is an expert on astral traveling well his his expert his expert advice
1:26:20
was was no that this guy is not teaching astral traveling or remote viewing
1:26:27
and actually what he just was speaking about this one person but what Daniel did say was that when astral traveling
1:26:34
is done it's the it's the uh the soul that leaves and that's the difference the
1:26:40
soul leaves the body but yet with this with the traveling in the spirit it's the spirit well you know that's a lie
1:26:46
because half of my life I mean we taught I taught people how to do that you know I was I did that
1:26:53
for many years i taught people even how to remember astral traveling it's it's you
1:26:59
doing it you leave the body back it's the soul spirit that goes and they're
1:27:05
this whole teaching of dividing the soul from the spirit is they're they're using that ter
1:27:12
they're using that lie to get you to want to to astral travel and it does we'll explain in a minute or I hope they
1:27:18
get to this it's getting kind of long but about why why it opens you up to demonic it it actually puts puts this
1:27:26
spirit that may not even be you and in fact I don't believe it is you because I've seen this happening in people and
1:27:32
bride ministers they change they are not themselves anymore and they take on an
1:27:38
personality of a demonic type of an entity so um when they're like okay back
1:27:45
what I used to do one of the things we used to do is we would enter people's dreams in fact we used to set up dreams
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and that's what this group is doing also um you know some of the people listening to this will know what I'm talking about
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other people will say it's not true because maybe they haven't experienced it and then the liars that we're covering up will say it's not true right
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but it is true that they are teaching i got screenshots too of some of these people teaching this stuff how to do it
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same techniques we I used to use to teach people in the occult same techniques that's because it's the same
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thing put the name Christian on it it's satanic it's dangerous and they're doing
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the same thing lauren Grace and I can speak from experience i mean you may not know because you haven't come from the
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backgrounds we're coming from we came from we know because we used to do this
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this was our assignments she had different assignments than than I had in some ways but much of mine was in the
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astral realm and much of mine was to teach people how to ask travel it was to teach people to remember what they
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learned in the astral and it was to teach people how to operate when it's successfully and to affect other people
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and to affect the physical realm right and most of these people we part of it
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was that we were to help them believe that they were doing good to believe that they were special that they
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advanced all that same stuff's being promoted here it's like you're why
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should you be an ordinary person if you felt neglected and that's where the shining ones comes in you're so special
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that God has given you these special abilities and God I I guess just changed up all the rules for you because you're
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part of the 99,999 well 99,998 now that I've left um so there's
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a slot open if anyone's looking 97 apparently oh you Well oh that's right
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you were a shiny one too i didn't know oh I'm so glad you told me no you were daniel told me you were a shiny one as
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well i know coincidentally almost everyone that Daniel um counsels and is
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in ministry with him is a shiny one that's that's I'm sorry that's sarcastic i'm trying I'm so sorry i'm trying to
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keep my sarcasm hidden i'm sorry anyway that's that whole special thing like
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what you were talking about is you know that's that's the that um appeals to
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people's pride and ego that makes them feel good especially when you're considering people like you and I and other people who have been kicked around
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their entire I mean even the average non-dissociative person has hurts and pains in their life maybe they've been
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kicked around in churches they've been spiritually abused that's a lot of people go to internet types of churches online types of churches because they've
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been hurt by the regular brick-and-mortar churches you know people are hurt they're being taken
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advantage of they're being lied to they're being hurt in worse ways but they can't see it a lot of them can't see it until it's too late and they
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really get hurt very badly so you know that's why we're trying to warn you so you can avoid this but yeah anyway what
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you were saying was making you feel special that's always part of it you mentioned the the shining ones and and
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like we are going to get more depth on all this but I thought about it's like the manifest sons of God manifested sons
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of God is the same thing it's the very same thing you look up that on the internet you can find out who's been
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teaching that and it's everybody I've named so pretty much everybody I've named so far and right it's the same
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thing it's not script in fact we can when we and we probably won't do it do it now but I can tell you from the word
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of God i mean it's I was laughing at myself today it's like you know like Forest Gump it's like I'm not a smart
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man it's like it's like I'm not a smart woman but I have a concordance
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i got Google it right i can I can look up
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these words and I can find out that and I can look at things in in context and it's so easy to see that this is not
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scriptural in fact they use the scriptures they use Romans 8 whatever and some of these scriptures they're capitalizing son sons of God it's like
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the S they capitalize well you know what it's not capitalized the very same word they use for sons of God is a word they
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use for for children of God it's uh in the next verse it says um in a couple
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verses later what was it um now I can't remember it was about who are the sons of God it had Jesus said i mean I can't
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remember we were talking about it earlier i can't even remember by the time if we keep this I know we're just
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people can you can go look it up for yourselves i think it's right and look up the occult origins of the sun uh well
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not look up the occult origins of the shiny ones in fact that is that's a quick easy Google search look up the
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occult origins of the shiny ones you will see that so many occult leaders Luciferian leaders um I think it's how
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do you pronounce it anunnaki or something this has been like their legend for however long you know this is
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something that is coming from the occult in fact that is how Daniel presented it to me as a as a doctrine that the
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Illuminati believed yeah oh he asked me um so that just
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blows my mind as a Christian you know that this is a Luciferian doctrine yet
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you're embracing it as your own it's not like he was ignorant of it that just I'm sorry that just blows
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my mind go ahead i was just thinking too that when I wanted to mention that he
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didn't he just mentioned to me it's like I realized that when he was talking about he started telling me stuff that
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okay talk about confidentiality with client he would tell me things and he' tell me names sometimes of who who heard
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it from yep and I found out you know after talking with you and talking with somebody else that was in counseling all
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this actually a couple other people that he's been swapping he's been sharing other people's stories with other in
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fact I've heard we've all heard some of our information he's he teaches he teaches it on
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Fireplace Church it's like it came from us and but that's good stuff but yet he's teaching the other stuff but okay
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so back to the uh back to the um the spirit the uh the shiny ones he asked me
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if I knew what the shiny one if I heard it and I thought I don't think I've really heard about the term shining
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orange you know we don't always I don't always have the same terms i was taught by you know other people they have different terms for the same thing but I
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thought maybe it refers to the beings that I knew from that I worked in the hierarchy because you know they they
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looked kind of they look they were just light beings it's not the same thing but when I looked into what they are but he
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and I didn't get into in my counseling to the shiny ones and what all those were so I didn't get that part in my
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counseling apparently he dealt with it or or went into that with boring grace
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and other people and I'm thinking what I'm looking at what I'm believing I'm just speaking what I'm what's coming to
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my mind now just sharing I where it appears to me is the things that he found out that that
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Lauren Grace brought to his attention these are Luciferian he I think he I'm
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wondering he didn't bring it to my attention the shiny ones he mentioned but these the reason this is all new to
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me and I just found out recently about some of the things that are being done in counseling is because he didn't do
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that in counseling with me i have to wonder if it's because he knew that I would recognize what it is because
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Lauren Grace already did and why would I be lied about why would I get why would
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I why would they lie to try to keep me from contacting Lauren Grace you know it's like that's what
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they do they try to divide people off and so that even if you you know oh well she's she's kind of crazy she's kind of
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nuts and she thinks she's left because of this that and you know it seemed kind of crazy you know like she left for that
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but you know what i trusted them i believe I thought well she'll be all right maybe the right and and I got busy
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my own thing and and you know what it turned out that I mean Lord Grace wanted
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to be in touch with me and you know and now I'm just thankful I'm thankful we are in touch and she's been a great help
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to me you know with this because she's already processed a lot of this and it isn't this isn't fun and it isn't it
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isn't you know people go people talk about um like
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Daniel you know like restoring a relationship you can't restore a relationship with somebody who's a liar
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and and uh and continues to lie where's the repentance and yeah it's the Yeah he
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needs to There's no reconciliation i mean I can I can forgive yeah I lost I lost a good friend i lost some other
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good friends but but to me in in fact one of the last things I said to some of my friends and they have record of it
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too is is that I I said friendship but I said the truth is more important than
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friendship and if I had not a friend in the world I would still stand up for the truth and I someone else recently said
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told me I had my my my standards are too high what my standards my standards are
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according to the word of God it's my my conscience is that if there's somebody who is harming
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other people if there's someone who's a liar someone who steps on somebody else
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to get into a ministry to become a a
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um well-known you know to be to be known as somebody who brings the news you know
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I know a couple of people that that's not not only stepped on over on top of me and used some of my information but
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did that to some other people oh well you know they're all accepted now and I'm supposed to join hands with them
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along with everybody else that's joining hands and even knows how those people are i'm not going to do it i do have
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high standards but my standards according to the word of God and you know what the way I look at it too if we
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as Christians stood for what Jesus said we should stand for then we would be we would not be
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supporting those that are doing the things that are not according to the
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will of God not according to the ways of Jesus Christ if you don't support that then it makes room for a person who
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actually is serving Jesus Christ it does have the love of Christ in their hearts for other people it makes room for that
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person to be giving the news from their from a good heart the God-guided person
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to be doing that but when you're you're joining hands and you're accepting because well we're supposed to be loving
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one another and forgive them but you know what that's you actually are enabling that person to stay in that
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position and and possibly harm other people it's like I'm calling everybody
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to a to a closer walk with God and higher standards higher standards right
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there there can be no healing without repentance and I'm not talking about calling me up and say "Gee Lauren I
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apologize please forgive me i'm not talking about that i don't need an apology." I'm talking about repentance with God turning your life around you
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want to talk reconciliation i believe in reconciliation how about this reconcile yourself to God that's who you need to
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reconcile yourself with don't worry about me reconcile yourself with God repent you don't have to apologize to me
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i don't care not I'm I'm just saying not that I ever expect that i'm just bringing that up because you know people
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always want to say forgive forgive well I say repent repent you know what about the repentance and share the fruits of
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repentance right exactly spiritual fruits of repentance
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it's like I'm not a Bible scholar i'm not a Bible scholar but I have I know some of it i'm not a theologian like
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that that's my tagline i'm not theologian but pretty sure the Bible doesn't say that
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the word of God written on your heart right spirit it's like if you if you really if
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you love God then you're gonna and you have his spirit in you you're going to love other people and you're going to
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love righteousness you're you're going to love the things that God loves and you're going to hate the things that God hates yes
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of course he does but look you know common common man has a common sense
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enough to know what to hate and what absolutely but Christians a lot of Christians they
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get in there and and it's and it's the it's what you It's like you mentioned it what was it religious programming religious yes it's religious programming
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absolutely and it's a spirit of religion people really really misunderstand the spirit of religion they think spirit of
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religion means when I don't agree with what the pastor says you know that's not the spirit of
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religion sorry you got it wrong
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try again there bud
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well we should probably wrap it up pretty quick did you want to have any last words to say about the spirit man
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or I know we're going to have to come back but we're at about a minute 52 so Okay
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um great we hardly we hardly got any part two and here I was thinking we
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probably only have maybe 30 45 minutes worth of stuff but you know when me and you get to talk and we just like chitter chatter like little birdies all the time
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yeah this was a conversation that's That's for sure right um well I mean I kind of wish I wouldn't
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have sent some stuff then i can delete some stuff if you want but then you would have to watch it
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to tell me which parts to delete you don't want to watch
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i don't either and I have to edit this which is not going to be much editing i have no idea how to edit this is going to probably be the worst the worst
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edited video on YouTube i don't know how to do it thumbs down
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i know we're going to have so many thumbs down it's like oh well at least we know how many people are watching all of them hated it
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no I'm joking i'm joking be my first video on YouTube yay i've been there since 2006
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first anyway I guess if there's one more thing
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I'll say about the spirit man it is that Yeah it opens yourself to demonic possession and I've seen that I'm pretty
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sure that's what I've seen happen and and of course we'll have to explain later how that does happen right
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absolutely maybe we should do part two in a second yeah do part two in a second that's fine okay well we will see you in
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five seconds okay bye