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The Jehovah Witness Heresy Part 1: about Colossians 1:15 He Is The firstborn of all creation
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Feb 19, 2025
I had an interesting exchange with a gentleman from the Jehovah witness community who claimed that the Bible never taught that Jesus was God. And He based his claims on verses that he either didn't understand or pulled out of context. One of the verses that he quoted was colossians 1:15 in which the Scripture says that Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. According to the gentleman, Jesus was also created and therefore can't be worshiped since He isn't God. So in today's presentation, I'll be refuting this heresy and we'll dig this Scripture to understand what Paul the apostle was communicating
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hey what's going on guys this is taiva
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types.com and today is sunday and you
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know on sundays i don't usually do
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videos
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of anything but today was a special day
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because i wanted to do this because i
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felt like it was important
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so yesterday i had an interesting
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exchange with
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a jehovah witness a young man who's a
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jehovah witness
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and we exchanged about the deity of
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christ and he told me basically that he
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doesn't believe that
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jesus is god and before i actually will
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go into the details let me give you the
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background so my son's best friend
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luke sent me a text message that was
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like almost like eight nine ten days ago
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and he was telling me that he was having
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a conversation with one of his friends
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and that friend of his also had a
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conversation with the jehovah witness
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a guy that told him that jesus wasn't
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god and he misquoted some scriptures
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and used those scriptures to prove his
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point so i asked for a meeting i said
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hey let's let's meet
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so i met with a jehovah's witness kid
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yesterday
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and uh i came out of that meeting
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understanding
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the the signs of the time it's
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interesting because i've been reading
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uh first john four and at first john the
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entire top
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chapter and last week i actually did uh
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first john chapter four verse one
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through six when john talks about
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do not believe every spirit but test it
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and he said in that chapter
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that uh uh any spirit that does not
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acknowledge
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that jesus that john is sharing is not
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from god
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so basically this kid was basically
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acknowledging
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portions of jesus character not a
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totality of his character
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and and jesus himself says say that he
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is god
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so this guy again pulled out some
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scriptures and the thing that these
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people do is they give you like one
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verse
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and they don't understand the full
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context and they don't understand the
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entire passage so i felt like
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it was important for me to to expose
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this heresy here this morning and i'm
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gonna tell you exactly
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what verse that he read to prove his
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point and i'm gonna show you
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how to go about understanding what the
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verse is saying because
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scripture tells us to correctly divide
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the word of god
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lest we fall into error and that's what
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these people do all
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heresies begin because somebody
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misinterpreted the scripture
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and i don't claim to know the scripture
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i don't claim to be
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oh this guy that knows everything but
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now you have to be careful
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whenever you come across a scripture
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that you don't understand
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first thing you read it and i ask the
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law for confirmation and then
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look for other sources sure sources like
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when i when i was studying this passage
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i went through to see what ashes will
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say about it
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a couple of other reputable teachers
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that you know you can trust
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okay because this is a collective thing
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so i'm gonna
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i'm gonna first talk about the scripture
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that he he quoted
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and then we are going to see why what he
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said
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was not right and why jesus is god
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so he quoted colossians 1
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verse 15 the scripture says he is
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the image of the invisible god the
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firstborn of all creation
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now when this kid was talking to me all
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he zeroed it on was the firstborn of all
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creation so basically according to his
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knowledge
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the firstborn of all creation means that
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jesus is also a created
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being that created all things so
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based on the jehovah witness uh
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understanding of this verse
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it means that jesus christ is the first
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person to be created
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and then he created the other things
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baloney
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okay and we're gonna go into why what
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they believe is just completely
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absolutely horrendous so i'm gonna go
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through that so before i actually
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give you the reasons i'm gonna give you
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uh
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um basically um we want to know how to
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refute
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this heresy like how do we correctly
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divide the word of god so that we don't
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fall into this kind of error
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so before i actually get into it we need
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to understand
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why paul wrote this letter he was
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writing to people the church at kalashi
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okay and he was trying to show the
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preeminence of jesus christ so
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when he saved those things in colossians
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1 verse 15 they
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exactly understood what paul was trying
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to say and to give
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you more depth to these i want to read
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um
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deuteronomy 21 because the first thing
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that we need to do is we need to
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understand what first born of all
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creation means
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okay if you don't understand that it's
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going to be hard for us to understand
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this passage
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and before i actually go into what the
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firstborn of our creation means
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we also need to understand what paul
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says first he says he is the
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image of the invisible god he is the
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image he is not made
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in the image of god the scripture didn't
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say he's made in the
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image of god because we are made in the
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image of god right
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but according according to the scripture
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jesus
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is the image of god
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okay and then the scripture says he's
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the firstborn of all creation
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so let's go to deuteronomy 21 verse 15
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to 17 to understand
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what firstborn of all creation means
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so in deuteronomy 21 the scripture says
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if a man has two wives the one loved and
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the other unloved
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and both the loft and the unloved one
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have borne him children
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and if the firstborn son belongs to the
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unloved then on the day when he assigns
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his possessions as an inheritance to his
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sons he may not
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treat the son of the beloved as the
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firstborn in preference to the son of
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the unloved
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who is the firstborn but he shall
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acknowledge the firstborn
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the son of the unloved by giving him a
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double portion
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of all that he has he is the first fruit
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of his strength the right of the first
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one is his
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so this is what the scripture says and
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we need to understand what that means
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based on the scripture the first born
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son had this right
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okay the right of the first ball so so
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it's a status thing
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he had preeminence the firstborn right
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that's what the scripture says
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so jesus being the first born of all
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creation doesn't mean that he was
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created but he had
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the status of the firstborn that's what
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the scripture is saying he has
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preeminence he's
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supreme over all things it's a status
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that he has he's a right that he has
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he's not the firstborn
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creator that's not what he means is his
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status he has the status of the
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firstborn
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because he has preeminence over all
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things now i'm gonna go to first samuel
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one and i'm gonna read you something
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here to kind of
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explain this a little a little bit
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better so let's do that real quick
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we're gonna go the first time yet i'm
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gonna read uh
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the breath of samuel okay so i'm gonna
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give you a quick background so
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uh el cana had two wives one was uh
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hannah she couldn't have any children
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and penny now had children now listen to
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this scripture
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now this man used to go up year by year
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from his city to worship and to
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sacrifice the lord of hosts at shiloh
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where the two sons of eli hofney and
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phineas
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were priests of god on the day when
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elkanah sacrificed he would give
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portions to penina his wife and to all
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her sons and daughters
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but henna he gave a
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double portion because he loved her
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though the lord had closed her womb
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okay let me stop here for a second we
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just read in deuteronomy that
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the let's let me read this around me
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again 15. if a man has two wives
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the one loved and the other unloved and
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both the loved and the unloved have
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borne him children
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and if the firstborn son belongs to the
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unloved then on the day when he assigns
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his possessions as an inheritance to his
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sons
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he may not treat the son of the lord as
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the firstborn in preference to the son
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of the unloved who is the firstborn
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but he shall acknowledge the firstborn
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the son of the unloved
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by giving him a double portion of all
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that he has
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for he is the first fruit of his
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strength the right of the first one is
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his
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now elkanah it seems like elkanah
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is not obeying deuteronomy okay because
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even though samuel was not even
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conceived yet because
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eventually hannah had a child named
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samuel and she said because i've asked
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the lord of him
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right elkanah gave his wife hannah
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a double portion this seems to me as if
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the passage is giving us a preview of
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jesus
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elkanah was technically not obeying
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deuteronomy 25
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21 verse 15 to 19. on the surface it
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seems as if he's not obeying what the
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verse is saying
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but what the lord was communicating
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indirectly through elkanah's choices was
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the preeminence
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of samuel the prophet over his own
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natural brothers
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though samuel didn't yet exist in the
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eyes of the world in god's mind
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samuel had pre-eminence over his
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brothers this is why
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elkanah kept giving her the double
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portion
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this is a prototype of the person of
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christ okay so this is a prototype a
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prototype is
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something to give us a picture of what
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christ was going to be like
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so samuel had pretty much
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preeminence and jesus has preeminence
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okay is a status thing is not because
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he is first born of over creation means
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that he was he was created that's not
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what he means he has
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everything to do with status he has the
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right of the first one which is he's
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supreme over
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all things okay now let's go back to
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colossians one
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and you're gonna see something
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interesting here because
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you can't read colossians 1 15 without
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reading what comes next
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okay paul says in verse 16 he gives the
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reason why jesus christ is the firstborn
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of all creation
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basically he gives the reason why jesus
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has
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status that status of the firstborn he
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gives us a reason
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because we we understand that first born
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means that he has the status of the
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firstborn
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okay so let's see what jesus jesus why
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let's see why jesus has the status of
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the firstborn
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if you read verse 16 and 17 of
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colossians
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first colossians 1 the scripture says
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for by him
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all things were created in heaven and on
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earth visible
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and invisible whether thrones or
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dominions
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or rulers or authorities all
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things were created through him and for
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him and he
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is before all things and in him all
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things
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hold together in other words he
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created all things and he himself he's
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not created
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let me say that again in in in other
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words
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jesus created all things but he himself
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is not a creation because
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he created he created all things he has
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supremacy
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the firstborn right because he created
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all things so the triune god
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exists in three persons god the son
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god the father and god the holy spirit
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so when the scripture says
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the word became flesh the second person
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of the trinity person of the trinity
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added the humanity to his divine nature
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basically
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the triune god existed for all eternity
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but then when jesus christ was born they
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added the human
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god the man that's what this means so if
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you go to colossians 1 15
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this the scripture says jesus is the
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image of the invisible god
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okay the scripture didn't say that he
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was made in the image of god
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but rather he is the image of god okay
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in other words
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we should not look to anybody else but
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we should look
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to jesus because he is the image
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of god and if you go to philippians 2
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listen to what the scripture says here
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i just want to read you this
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um have this mind among yourselves which
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is yours in christ jesus
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who though he was in the form of god did
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not count
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equality we've got a thing to be grasped
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but he emptied himself doesn't mean that
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he lost his attribute because
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that's not what that says some people
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misunderstand the scripture also
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well the scripture says but he emptied
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himself by taking the form of a servant
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being born in the likeness of man and
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being found in human form
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he humbled himself by becoming obedient
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to the point of death
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even death on the cross okay the
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scripture doesn't say that he lost his
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attributes he still was fully god and
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fully man
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okay and the reason why jesus had to
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become like us so that he can identify
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with us so that he could be the perfect
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sacrifice for us now if you go to
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hebrews 1 let's read the scripture
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what is the hebrew hebrews 1 says let's
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read that
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let's read it again long ago at many
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times and in many ways
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god spoke to our fathers by the prophets
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but in his last days
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he has spoken to us by his son whom he
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appointed
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the air of all things through whom also
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he created
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the whole world he is the radiance of
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the glory of god and the exact
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imprint of his nature and he upholds the
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universe
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by his powerful word okay and i'm gonna
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skip a little bit and go
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all the way down to verse seven
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this now verse actually verse six
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actually no one let me read the entire
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thing
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for to which of the angels did god ever
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say you are my son today i've begotten
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you
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or again i'll be to my father and he
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shall be to me a son
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and again when he brings the firstborn
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into the world he says
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let all god's angels
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worship him god will never allow
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anybody else to worship to be worshiped
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but if that person was god
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which means that jesus is god because
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god himself says in the scripture
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let god's all angels worship him see
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satan wanted to be worshipped and he got
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kicked out of heaven
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right so god will not tolerate anybody
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has to be worshipped if he's in god so
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which means that jesus is god
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now of the angels he says he makes his
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angels wings and his ministers a flame
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of fire
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but of the son he says
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your throne or god
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is forever and ever
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the sector of uprightness is the scepter
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of your kingdom you have
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loved righteousness and hated wickedness
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therefore
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god your god has anointed you with the
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oil
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of gladness beyond your companions and
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you
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lord listen to this in verse 10 you
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lord laid the foundation of the earth in
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the beginning and the heavens are the
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work of your hands
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they will perish but you remain they
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will all wear out like a garment
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like a robe you roll them up like a
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garment they will be changed but you are
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the same
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you are the same and your years will
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have no end
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and to which of the angels has he ever
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says sit at my right hand until i make
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your enemies
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a full suit for your feet i'm gonna stop
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here this is incredible
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now let's go to john 8 and let's see
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what jesus himself says about himself
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okay because this these people drive me
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nuts listen to what jesus says
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truly truly i say to you i'll take it
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from verse 51 in john chapter 8.
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truly truly i say to you if anyone keeps
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my word he will never see death
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the jew said to him now we know that you
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have a demon abraham died as did the
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prophet
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yet you say if anyone keeps my word he
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will never taste
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death are you greater than our father
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abraham who died
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and the prophets died who do you make
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yourself out to be
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and jesus answered if i glorify myself
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my glory is nothing
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it is my father who glorifies me of whom
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you say he is our god
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but you have not known him i know him if
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i were to say i do not know him i'll be
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a liar like you
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but i do know him and i keep his word
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now listen to what happened i'm going to
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read you something else here
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actually what i wanted to read you was
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i didn't get that so let me let me get
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to it give me just give me one second
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and listen to what jesus says here
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about himself okay listen to what jesus
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says
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jesus said to them and so did you say to
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him you are not yet 50 years old and
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have you seen
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abraham and jesus said to them
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truly truly i say to you
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before abraham was i
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am end of the debate and they picked up
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stones to throw at him
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but jesus hid himself and went out of
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the temple jesus
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said of himself i am because that
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word i am nobody else can say about god
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because god is eternal
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so when jesus said i am he is basically
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saying that he is
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god okay god incarnate
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okay god the man and so he had that dual
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nature that we talked about
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he is both god and also man so when the
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jehovah witness looks at
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look at colossians 1 verse 15 to 16 they
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don't
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verse 16 to 17 they don't actually read
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verse 16 and 17
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they stop us verse 15 and they don't
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understand what the scripture is saying
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the scripture says i'm going to again
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recap you on that before i leave here he
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is the image of the invisible god
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the firstborn of fourth creation and
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then
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paul gives the reason why for by him all
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things were created
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so the first one of all creation means
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that he has the firstborn status
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means he's preeminent and he is supreme
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over all things
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that's what i mean he doesn't mean that
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he was created
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that's not what i mean so let's get that
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straight so i'm sure that i've given you
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plenty of evidence here
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to understand this so when paul was
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writing his letter he knew exactly what
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he was talking about
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and his readers knew exactly what he
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meant so for the scripture says in verse
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16 for by him
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all things were made okay in heaven and
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on earth
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visible invisible whether thrones or
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dominions or rulers or authorities
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all things were created through him and
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for him and he
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is before all things and in him all
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things hold together
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he is the giver of life okay paul talks
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about this in acts 17
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okay we leave and move and have our
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being in him so jesus was not created
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because jesus is the creator of all
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things
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okay so i'm hoping that this has helped
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you guys out
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there's a lot more things that he said
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yesterday that i'm going to address one
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at a time
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he also said something yesterday that i
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just thought it was the most craziest
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thing that i've ever heard in my life
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so he basically said that god was not
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omnipresent
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and i actually took off my glasses and
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looked at him i said what did you say
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at that point i wanted to just pop in my
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head i'm like this dude is nuts
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you know and this is the kind of stuff
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that we are facing so uh we're gonna be
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talking about more of this again so i
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i'm looking forward to to talk about to
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talking to you about this
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a lot more again uh hopefully this has
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helped you guys out
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and and have a wonderful evening thank
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you
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