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Indiana Basketball Postgame Wrap-Up Show vs. Illinois
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Jan 22, 2025
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welcome in to The whoer Illustrated
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postgame wrap-up show I'm Drew Rosenberg
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I'm joined by Kyler Staley who's at
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assembly hall right now I really don't
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even know what to say at this point
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Indiana I mean this might have been the
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worst effort you could really the wor
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probably the worst effort of the Mike
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Woodson era I don't think it's been
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worse than it was tonight I think this
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might
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be when you look at the grand scheme of
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things you know with this team and the
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hype that they had with them and
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everything I think this is the worst
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loss ever in IU history um you know from
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a point standpoint 94 to 60 69 um on
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your home floor in Assembly Hall one of
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the best college basketball venues in
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the world and you pretty much disgraced
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all that you disgraced everything there
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is um when it comes to Indiana
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basketball tonight and it was a poor
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effort nearly from the start I would say
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you allowed 60 points scored um in the
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first half no fight at all and you know
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second half you showed a little bit of
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it you look like you wanted to get back
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into it but I mean when you're down 30
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points a lot of things you you do a lot
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of things on the floor that can make you
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look a little bit better than what it is
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but bad effort from everybody nobody did
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anything good the coaching was awful the
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game plan was awful whatever that game
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plan was you don't even know if the
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players followed it or whatever it's
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just it's not Indiana basketball it's
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it's just bad and really I'm just
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rambling right now but it's just yeah
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it's sad in a lot of ways Drew yeah I
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mean I like there's not a I guess
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there's one singular positive I could
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take from this game it's shy Newton
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playing and that's about it everything
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else was as bad as it could have been
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you got dominated on the rebound on the
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glass and with that I mean you just
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watch it it was effort there was uh one
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play in the first half I don't for
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anyone who's on Ant Wright's um
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halftime um Twitter whatever um chill
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space right yeah chill space that's for
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the word all right yeah yeah but um
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there was a play inbo had a clear box
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out will riy gets just out Works him
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grabs a rebound gets a quick put back
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layup like it was all the things that
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you need to do to be a good basketball
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team all the little things Indiana did
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none of them Illinois did I wouldn't
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even say Illinois played that well today
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either that was like the thing that was
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like really frustrating about this game
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it wasn't like Illinois shot some like
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crazy percentage like they shot 40% from
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the field it was not like they like
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dominated the game like played their
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best game of the year Indiana was just
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that bad it was all it was more so
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Indiana playing horrible than Illinois
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doing anything out out of this world it
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was a it was a college basketball team
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playing a fifth grade team in a lot of
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sense and it's fundamentals right and
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you talked about just a little bit if
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you're laziness I I counted at least
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three and I know there's way more than
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that I counted at least three times that
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I saw my own eyes and Indiana Defenders
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fall asleep and let off easy cuts cuz
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there was one play I don't know what it
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was but it was when Indiana was kind of
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trying to go on that run to get back
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into the game at the beginning of the
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second half um they needed defensive
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stops and I there was like a double team
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with inbo maybe Anthony Lil or whatever
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and then Luke goody falls asleep and
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lets a Illinois player um get that easy
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cut easy basket and it's just it's the
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little things and that's the frustrating
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part like to be a good basketball team
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it's a little thing you touched on it
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it's fundamentals it's it's just being
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coachable and I don't know right now if
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this team's coachable I don't know what
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the problem is with the coaching style
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it's just there's a lot of questions on
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here and it's just very heads scratching
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because I will sit here right now and I
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will still say this Indiana team
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talent-wise still has probably the best
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group of talent in the 10 right it's
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ridiculous it's ridiculous right and
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obviously you know Indiana paid a lot of
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money for a lot of these players and you
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got guys that have been in the program
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for a long time Trey Galloway Anthony
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leil and first of all slide note on Tre
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Galloway the way he's playing as a
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senior which is absolutely pathetic and
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I'll just be stly honest with you um
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because you got to say these harsh words
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because you just got to get your point
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across and Galloway what he's showing on
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the floor is just not senior level
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that's freshman stuff what I'm seeing
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out of him and there's a lot of times
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where I think even Bryson Tucker shows a
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lot more maturity on the basketball
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floor than what Galloway does but um
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that's just besides the point but it's
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just every single player and it wouldn't
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have mattered if Malik Renu was playing
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today or not it's just it's effort at
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the end of the day and when you've got a
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game that you have to win if you want to
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make the NCAA tournament if you want to
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compete for a big 10 Championship you
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got to win these types of games and
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Indiana hasn't done that in these past
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two games versus Iowa and today it's
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just very head scratching and just very
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very embarrassing at the end of the day
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yeah it's I mean I don't even really I'm
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almost at a loss for words at this point
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I think you look at this team you could
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just even going back to last year
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because this I know it's you know a very
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different roster you have obviously the
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returners of like Trey gay no is out Le
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out but this is the exact same stuff we
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saw last year on a bigger level with
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more talent and it's somehow worse I
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know you know the record's better at
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this point than it was last year you
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know they have this they have the quad
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one win already but you look at the next
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you know I think it's the next eight
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games there isn't a game there I there
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isn't a game there I look say you know
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what Indiana is going to win that game
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confidently I don't even see a game I
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think confidently that they're going to
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compete it's been it's that bad right
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now and it's I mean we talked about
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we're not hitting the panic button yet I
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mean I'm past the panic button at this
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point this was you know if they lose
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this game by 10 points it's one thing
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but the way they came out no effort just
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lack of energy Focus attention to detail
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and you have all this Talent you know
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all this nil money you've spent on this
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roster and this is the result you're
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getting this is stuff that just can't
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happen especially in January of this
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season we've talked about Mike Woodson
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going to turn the uh can he turn the
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season around save his
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job the conversation is going to quickly
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turn if Mike Woodson this eight game
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stretch could quickly turn Mike
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Woodson's season into will he have a job
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by the end of the year because I don't
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know if Woodson makes it through maybe
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even this eight game stretch if Indiana
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plays like it did today yeah there's I
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mean there's no positives really you can
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take away right now and the frustrating
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part is you know you thought that
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Indiana had kind of turned the corner a
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little bit because they started off the
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2020 5 year calendar year um you know
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playing some really good basketball
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obviously reneu goes down and they they
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figure out you know a style that they
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can play with the one big and these past
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two games man it's just it's frustrating
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to watch because it's just like what
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what happened just I I don't know but
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like everybody that you know is hitting
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the Panic bucket panic button has every
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right to do that right now I I there's
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no reason for anybody that really have
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faith right now that this season's going
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to turn around but um I think there's
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still 13 games left so obviously there's
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time to turn it around if they were able
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to you know rally off these next two
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that's another thing too they're going
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on the road these next two games I mean
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you have no confidence that they're
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going to show up on the road because
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when have they really ever shown up on
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the road other than Penn State so and
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you looking back it's just like how did
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Indiana win that game it's just it's
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weird but I will say these next four
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these next four days or whatever before
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the Ohio State game that they had to
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have some kind of come to Jesus moment I
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don't know what that is is but like that
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they're going to have to just sit down
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and they're going have to figure things
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out and you know Mike Woodson can say oh
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we got to get back to work and
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everything like that I I think we're way
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past that it's time to figure out what
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the root cause of all this is and you
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know may be time for Mike Woodson
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himself and I don't know if he's done
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this to look at himself in the mirror
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and and see what he needs to change as a
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coach because um this is going to be a
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long two months of basketball if Indiana
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doesn't figure out things but um yeah
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just pathetic at the end of the day
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there's no more words I can think of
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other than pathetic yeah I mean Mike
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Woodson has all the resources everything
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you could need to be successful I mean
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you have the history with the program
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there's so much passion for this fan
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base and still it's it's he had two
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years you're like oh he improved he
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improved and then it's gotten even worse
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and it's getting to the point I mean I'm
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uh Brent just put put this comment how
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do you even let him finish the year I
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don't if this continues I don't I don't
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see how we can finish the season if
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Indiana goes through this nine game
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stretch and I think there is a real
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world they could go winless in this
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stretch which is insane to think about
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the start of the year that Indiana could
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go winless for a nine game stretch in
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the Big 10 I guess 10 game if you go
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back to Illinois or Iowa it is a mess
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and I don't see it changing anytime soon
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I know Malik Ru is out and his you know
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him coming back is it's going to help as
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much as people you know are frustrated
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with the too big system but it's bigger
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than that at this point it's it's just
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shocking what we're seeing from Indiana
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how this team is getting worse right now
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at a time where teams are supposed to be
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figuring it out and getting better yeah
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and to me you know obviously right now
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based off these last two games and you
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know the other losses that Indiana's had
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this year it does look like a change
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needs to be made um I don't see that
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change happening in the middle of the
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season because very rarely you really
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don't see a whole lot of times that
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college coaches get fired in the middle
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of the Season yeah they'll leave like
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Jim l did um or whatever but um very
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rarely do you see that so I I don't
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think they make a change with that but I
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I mean this offseason it's something if
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they don't turn it around these next 13
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games and finish out the Big 10 season
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strong and get back on track I mean
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they're's going to be a change in
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leadership and you know that'll
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obviously come with you know changes in
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assistant coaching and just changes in
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player personnel and all that stuff so
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um I don't know it just it it's very
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head scratching to me from what I
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watched you know it clown show um that
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fight that they had at the end of the
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game that was the most fight that they
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showed these last two games um and I
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also just want to say you know it was
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really bad but major respect to Miles
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rice and Umar Balor for standing up for
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Luke goody in that situation so it at
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least shows you that they're a team and
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they actually you know look out for one
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another but other than that it's just to
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me that could have been the final nail
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in the coffin of this season just with
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that fight and you know who knows what's
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going to happen you know there could be
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a suspension with Umar ballow as well so
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um that's something and also watch out
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but I don't know Drew we got a podcast
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coming up in the next yeah tomorrow yeah
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record tomorrow probably going to be out
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Thursday where we're it's going to be a
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lot more in depth but yeah I just yeah
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it's one of those things I just really
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don't get it um lucky lizard as a boiler
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fan I want I to be good it makes things
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interesting they're good individual
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players they have the talent maybe they
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just need more time to gel as a team I
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like wanted to agree with you I mean I
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do and you know if you asked me probably
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a month ago I would have said yeah just
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give them a little more time let them
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gel but the fact they're getting worse
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and not better tells at least tells me
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everything you need to know Indiana
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teams you know this is a point year
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where teams are figuring stuff out
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starting to get better you know they'll
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have some tough stretches and they'll
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play good
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teams um and like get better but
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Indiana's not getting better this is the
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worst they' looked all year we saw you
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know a Louisville game Louisville was
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not nearly as bad as this and Louisville
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was bad people were ready to fire Mike
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Woodson immediately after that game
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I I just I don't even know what to say
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um Tim Russell is making me laugh a
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little bit I don't know if you can see
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this Kyler but more time to get over the
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hump yep that that's that's the ongoing
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joke but like look I mean here's here's
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the positive I guess you could take out
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of this they can't play much worse than
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what they did these last two games so I
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guess that's a positive look at but I
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mean like you said we we got a podcast
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coming up we we'll get more in depth
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into this because I mean these are
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obviously quick reactions and whatnot
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but um it's it's embarrassing to watch
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that's the that's some embarrassing
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basketball to watch um especially in
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Simon Scotch Assembly Hall out of all
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places so I got no more words d i
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anything else I just want to do talk
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about I guess one more thing I mean if
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Woodson like you mentioned you doubt
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Woodson gets fired till the end of the
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year I we haven't really seen that
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happen like guys getting fired midseason
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but my question I guess with nil is that
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something that like the pro like Scott
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Dolson I guess I guess you need Quinn
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Buckner with all the you know the rumors
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about that but Scott Dolson say hey you
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know what like let's get a new coach in
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here you know maybe like fire them early
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so they can start figuring out a plan
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and address it early because I mean you
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have a trans Sicily commitment that you
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know I you you very much so like to keep
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we've seen Liam McNeely that the
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commitment we've seen Indiana Miss on
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you know for like just going down the
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list of recent commitments Indiana I
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don't want to say should have had but
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you know a different coach might have
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landed you have a Derek Queen you have
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leam mcney you have a fland you have a
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brillan Mullins like it's not just the
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on court issues it's also you know the
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recruiting is a problem this there isn't
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like a sign for this program that says
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you know what hey this is going to get
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better anytime soon and at that point I
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think you have to cut losses and
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obviously I'm not saying fire him
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tonight I'm not saying fire him
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tomorrow but you got I mean if this
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doesn't get better really fast I don't
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know if woodon makes it to the end of
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the year it'll be interesting to watch
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that's pretty much all I can say um they
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got Ohio State on Friday if they can win
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that game you know that that that puts
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some positivity back into this a little
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bit but I mean they're going to have to
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go on a really big run for everyone to
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just kind of get back into this thing
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and you know obviously if you're a true
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Indiana fan you'll support this team
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through and through but it's just right
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now there's just a whole not a whole lot
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of things to be joyful about when
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watching this basketball team yeah I
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mean that that's an understatement of
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the Year Kyler I just I I want to
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believe this thing could change I just
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don't see I just haven't seen anything
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that gives me any confidence at that and
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it's not even it's also the like guys
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are getting worse I feel like miles rice
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he hasn't been bad this year I this is
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not miles rice being bad but it's also
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like freshman a sophomore year usually a
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guy takes a jump miles rice is pretty
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similar to where he was last year he was
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a great player last year he's been
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pretty good really good points for us
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this year like Canon Carlile was you
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know one of Stanford's best players last
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year and he is you know has not been
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great I mean his jump shot never really
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took that
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step I I just it's it seems like it's a
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coaching thing at this point more than
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anything I think everything we kind of
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say comes back to coaching and that's
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you know writing starting or not
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starting writing is on the wall for Mike
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quiton yep and I got nothing else to
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addre yeah I got nothing to else to add
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but make sure to tune in to our talking
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about the hoers podcast on Thursday
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um for more in depth you know got to
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sleep on this a little bit and figure
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out what else that we can talk about
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here but tonight not a whole lot to talk
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about yeah we'll probably have a 30 40
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maybe an hour uh of us talking just uh
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about woodston but yeah so don't miss
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out on that we'll have um postgame or
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postgame press conferences from Mike
15:19
Woodson everything in between on the
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