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all right welcome to a morning after
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edition of The whoer Illustrated dcom
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Indiana football postgame wrap-up show
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John Alden and Alec lley here with you
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on a Sunday morning I'm feeling a lot
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better right now Alec than I uh thought
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I would be had we done this immediately
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after the game yesterday afternoon uh
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and we we may or may not get into those
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specifics but uh because we're here to
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talk about what happened with Indiana
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Ohio State first and foremost but the
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who your lose 38- 15 suffer their first
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loss on the season now 10 And1 7-1 in
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conference play and uh squarely still in
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the playoff hunt and again we'll get
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we'll get to that here in a little bit
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but Alec just give me your initial
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thoughts on what went down at the
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Horseshoe yesterday yeah I mean I I I
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think you look at you know how the game
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started right I think everyone was
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pretty excited not only the three and
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out to begin you go down and score and
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not only do you have a lot of momentum
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but you you look exactly how you kind of
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thought that they would look every other
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game right and then I think there was
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just a little bit of that nerve going
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into this one about exactly how they
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would show up and that kind of
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eliminated all that right there um not
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only did the offensive line look look
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great at the start that was really the
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the key switch in my opinion was the the
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the front seven uh for Ohio State
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defensively and how they really took
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over the game um and then on the flip
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side the front seven for Indiana and
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their inability to attack will Howard
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after it happened almost at the exact
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same moment of the game where both of
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those offensive and defensive lines that
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momentum totally shifted um after about
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the second or third possession I want to
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say uh they're kind of into the first
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quarter going into the second and
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Indiana was you know inable to uh uh get
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any sort of uh pressure in the back
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field so will Howard just literally sat
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back and had all the Time in the World
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to throw and not only did he do that but
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then all those open field tackles that
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Indiana was making to begin the game
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they were missing and so you get maybe a
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a little five yard dump out route for
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the Ohio State wide outs and then they
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would go you know 10 15 yards after the
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catch because of one or two missed
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tackles um and then obviously you know
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ctis for just had absolutely no time to
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throw the ball um what was was clearly
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the the worst uh performance from
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the offense all year but but
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specifically the offensive line and the
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running backs in the pass protection and
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that was just the most concerning part
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and that obviously was uh was the main
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reason why they they lost that game
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because they couldn't drop back to pass
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and and they were so one-dimensional uh
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and then again on the flip side they
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just couldn't get any any pressure at
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all uh in that Ohio State backfield
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another thing that was also a big gut
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punch at least especially when we've
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seen how consistent Indiana special
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teams have been all year giving up two
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touchdowns in that department and I know
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one wasn't a direct touchdown the you
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know the Muff snap or whatever you want
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to call it by James Evans that wasn't
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directly it didn't immediately go from a
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touchdown from that play but it set up
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an Ohio State touchdown then you have
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the Caleb Downs punt return it's a
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14-point swing right there and if you
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eliminate that which again it is part of
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the game so you can't completely
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eliminate it that the score is a much
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more respectable 24- 15 if you get rid
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of those special teams touchdowns so uh
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a lot of things not going right for Indi
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yesterday and and while you were talking
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about the offense I also was thinking
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about all the drops and not only this
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week have we seen some some drops from
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Indiana's receivers that were kind of in
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pressure situations we saw that a couple
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weeks ago whenever they face Michigan as
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well particularly with Elijah Sarat Mr
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Waffle House who is always open uh he
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may need to stop putting some extra
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syrup on his waffles if he's going to be
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open all the time because I mean he's
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got to start catching balls again right
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that may have been the the worst joke I
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could have made but uh I I I went there
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I did just go there so uh a lot of
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things unfortunately we uncharacteristic
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of this Indiana football team uh that we
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have seen at least last over the course
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of the game this past Saturday uh and
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they'll have one more chance to get back
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on the right track of course when they
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face Purdue this Saturday in a night
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game Edition in the battle for the old
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Oaken Bucket of course you want to clock
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in a good performance there because if
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it wasn't if if it wasn't the case
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already it is now your your playoff
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hopes are on the line and and not that
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Purdue as an opponent that Indiana
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should you know be worried about losing
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against you still want to prepare the
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same way that you have all season long
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you don't want to have a bad week of
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practice and give Purdue any reason to
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be excited about potentially spoiling
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your your postseason aspirations because
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that's if if if they have anything to
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play for it's that yeah absolutely and I
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think it you know one major part of that
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game uh you know yesterday that that I
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think they can definitely take away
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right is is uh the the compounding kind
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of small mistakes that Indiana had not
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made all season and that's why I think
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you you look at you look at that game in
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obviously Ohio state was clearly the
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better team yesterday but there were you
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know that obviously the The Botch snap
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there um even if they do return that
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punt for the touchdown right if that
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botch snap doesn't happen who knows what
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happens that next possession uh if
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there's a couple of those drops that the
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IU wide outs don't uh don't drop and
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actually do catch and and continue to
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move that ball that that Phantom right
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uh false start call yeah actually sorry
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to cut you off I meant to bring that up
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earlier because and I know this isn't
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the reason that Indiana lost of course
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right but from the moment that that
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Phantom false start happened that's when
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things went off the rails for Indiana
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and never quite got back on them and one
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thing that really bothered me from
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watching this on TV they didn't show the
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replay to see if James bomba moved at
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all they and the the the broadcast team
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just kind of moved on from it and there
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have been a few instances previously
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where Ohio state had penalties where
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they were you know commenting on it
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saying maybe that shouldn't have been a
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penalty on Ohio State and then they get
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to this and it ends up being a big
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momentum swinger and they just kind of
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you know move on from it again I don't
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want to dwell on that too much I didn't
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want to share my thoughts on that
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specifically because it is just kind of
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baffling how important it ended up being
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but maybe wasn't realized at the time
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the importance of it yeah absolutely I
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mean that that entirely you know changed
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any sort of uh potential momentum in
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that game and and and flipped that
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entirely to Ohio State and and like you
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said I mean there there was they
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absolutely glossed over um everything to
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do with that call and I think a lot of
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Indiana fans were extremely confused did
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did you ever go back and actually rewat
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I did yeah because they he definitely
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did not move no and he he he moved also
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after uh whoever the defensive lineman
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there for uh Ohio State jumped and and
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knocked over uh into into the the I side
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that's yeah yeah was it K that would
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have been a first down Indiana and then
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when you have being a false start it's
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when Curtis Ro gets sacked it's
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completely again completely different
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stuff and we'll move on from from there
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I don't want to make it sound like we're
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just going to about the officials
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the entire time because we're not yeah
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but that was still very egregious yeah
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and you know you know outside of that um
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you know the the major just eye poppy
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number for me was you let's let's take
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away the two uh two possessions that
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ended in the touchdowns you know the
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very first possession and then pretty
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much that last possession outside of
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that they had 31 plays for 28 total
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yards and that is
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just obviously inexcusable as any team
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that that you're trying to you know
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compete in a top five matchup but also
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for Indiana that just you know for for a
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team that has been able to move the ball
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at will and pretty much respond to any
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sort of uh adversity on the offensive
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side that that was the uh most you know
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concerning eye popping number there for
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me and and obviously a lot of it had to
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do with that offensive line production
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and that inability to uh get any sort of
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pass protection um and obviously some of
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those drops but I I I think you know
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Kurt zetti talked about it uh after the
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game that uh they they just did not
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respond to it any sort of ad well uh you
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know pretty much from halftime on and
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then they they just were I I think a
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little bit probably the first time all
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year that that we saw this team uh just
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caught up in in the moment a little bit
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too much and it just seemed I don't want
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to say that the moment was too big
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because I I I truly think that this team
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is still a very very good football team
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and and definitely deserving of a spot
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in the college football playoff but it
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it they've just never been in that type
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of moment before and I think it was
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before the game um I think it was Nick
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sain talking about it or maybe even Ryan
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day as well when he was on uh college
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game day but you know Ohio State
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specifically right always in these top
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five matchups top two matchups top 10
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matchups and always late in the season
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right whether it's bigton championships
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whether it's you know the Ohio State
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Michigan game that that always caps off
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the season right if it's a Penn State
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game that they're always playing in
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obviously they had the Oregon game
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earlier this year
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they they
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are as much as you probably don't want
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to say it from an Indiana's perspective
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they are just way more built for that
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type of moment at this point not to say
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that Indiana can't get there and
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probably will eventually if uh the
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success continues at this level that
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we've seen but that was the first time I
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think you you really look at this team
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and say okay specifically for this group
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this was probably the the one time that
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they were just way overmatched because
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of that specific moment this was your
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welcome to the big leagues moment for
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Indiana football and as long as Kurt
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Signet is able to continue to you know
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do what he's done so far with Indiana in
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year one they will get used to playing
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in environments like this more often and
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one thing you hope you don't become as
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Penn State because again they've been in
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that upper echelon of the Big 10 for
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some time now but they they've struggled
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in these games I don't know what James
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Franklin's record against top
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competition is but it's not good it's
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not good at all um I mean pin State
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again they take care of business outside
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of that so you know it kind of balances
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itself out but that was Indiana's first
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taste of of of trying to get to that you
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know Kurt cetti mentions emerging
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superpower well to get to that full
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superpower status you have to you have
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to beat some of those teams eventually
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and again it's he's 0 for one and you
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know there's nothing there's nothing
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shameful about losing to Ohio State on
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the road especially Ohio State te yeah
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especially an Ohio State team that is
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more than likely one of the two or three
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best teams in the country this year and
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uh you know I'm just happy to say that
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this team is still likely going to be in
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the college football playoff and we can
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wrap up with this the SEC teams that
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were aspiring playoff teams Alec they
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did Indiana a whole lot of favors last
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night and that includes an Alabama loss
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to Oklahoma a Florida win against ol
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miss or I should say an Old Miss loss to
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Florida if I'm you know using the same
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format of my wording right and then uh
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Auburn defeating Texas A&M and quadruple
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overtime not to mention a couple of Big
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12 upsets Arizona State beating BYU and
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Kansas knocking off number 16 Colorado
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so chaos a plenty in college football
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last night and I don't really think
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Indiana fans should have any reason to
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think they won't be included in this
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week's top 12 yeah absolutely and I
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think you look at all those and right
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the the one uh one difference is outside
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I think it was yeah the BYU Arizona
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State game right all those other teams
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that lost were to unranked opponents and
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to two opponents with maybe five wins I
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think I I don't think any one of those
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had over five so you you look at the the
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vastly different uh type of loss and uh
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you know obviously Alabama got
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absolutely manhandled um in in that game
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I think that you know pretty much
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cements their uh their season here uh
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especially when it comes to the college
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football playoff I think there's
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probably still going to be some some
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gripe around Old Miss um because they
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they obviously kept that a lot closer uh
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when you kind of compare that that Miss
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and Alabama resume right now but you
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know outside of that it was probably the
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the best day that you could have had
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from an Indiana perspective when it
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comes to the uh the rankings and the the
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projections uh obviously all they had to
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do was win and there was no discussion
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whatsoever but um there there's a reason
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why there there's not uh a ton of
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undefeated teams uh that go through
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college football every single year so uh
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you're you're probably going to slip up
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once they did um but that loss uh is
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much better than any of these other
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losses and now teams that have three
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losses uh that were kind of in that that
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same conversation uh to get in I I don't
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I I'm I'm still a little bit hesitant
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because I I still think there's probably
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going to be some SEC brand bias because
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there there always has there always will
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um but I I think you can clearly look at
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this Indiana path and again assuming
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that they win uh against Purdue next
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weekend they they have to be in uh at
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this at this point because of everything
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that happened yesterday and because of
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again they beaten everyone not only
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beaten everyone that they're supposed to
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but absolutely manhandled everyone that
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they've uh uh that they faced and
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they've looked great doing it and they
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they don't have that that really bad
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loss that all these other teams do now
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um so I think you look at Indiana's
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perur uh you know resume and from that
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perspective I think you have to be very
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happy obvious ly what what happened
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yesterday and I'll say this I know that
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there's been a lot of brand bias
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nationally at least from the pundits the
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Talking Heads but I don't get the sense
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that the committee themselves
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undervalues Indiana the way that it
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seems like the people that talk about
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the rankings do right because we have
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the ranking show and like the rankings
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the people who do the ranking show and
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the committee are two separate entities
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I think sometimes it's easy to get those
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confused and think they're one of the
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same and they're not because during
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those ranking shows especially the last
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couple of weeks it feels like all they
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do is and gripe about Indiana
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which is very odd if we're being honest
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and where we we've seen them Place
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Indiana at number five especially before
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this week whenever they had a Buy and
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they didn't drop them in any way shape
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or form based on results from teams that
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were behind them I think it does show
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that they value what Indiana has done
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and they clearly value Ohio State as
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well they know Ohio State's a really
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good team I don't anticipate Indiana
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dropping and any lower than 10 this
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Tuesday maybe that's wishful thinking to
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some people but based on the results
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that we mentioned earlier I think
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Indiana will still comfortably
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comfortably be sitting at 10 maybe even
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better depending on again how how much
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they actually value this Indiana team
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yeah it's going to be very interesting
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obviously this is going to be the you
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know the one uh ranking show that not
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only is going to decide a lot for
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Indiana uh right because they don't have
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that extra uh that extra game unless you
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know things really fall apart here next
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week in terms of getting to the Big 10
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Championship um and they don't have that
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notable uh season finale against the
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team that they could move up with the
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win you know based off of that so um
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it's going to be interesting to see
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where they they fall because I think
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they they just don't have a lot of other
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room to uh to get up in the in the
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rankings and Rise there after after that
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Purdue game um and they're going to have
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to kind of sit back and you know watch
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everything unfold which I think is
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probably going to be extremely
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nerve-wracking for a guy like Kurt edti
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who always wants to be in control
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uh of things and and be in kind of
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control of his own destiny there um but
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I I I do think that the uh the committee
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does absolutely value again the the full
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body of work um multiple different
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metrics right it's not just strength the
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schedule uh that a lot of people
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obviously continue to point at for
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Indiana um speaking of that I don't know
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if you notice this Alec but because of
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them playing Ohio State yesterday their
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strength schedule jumped up to 51 or
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something like that so it's not even I
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mean it's still
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kind of relevant but at the same time
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it's they they finally played that
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Marquee opponent it was just so late in
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the season everything kind of evens out
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it seems like at least a little bit Yeah
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like it always does right I mean you
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obviously see the SEC teams with a lot
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of other um you know out ofc conference
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matchups right the Georgia UMass game
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yesterday uh that that I think um the
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committee looks at especially playing at
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this point of year of the season and
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kind of uh undervalues some of those as
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well but um yeah all in all I mean I
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think you I think we talked about it
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yesterday too John that right around
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that 10 Mark is probably where you're
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you're going to see Indiana and I I
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think that's that's feasible I think
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that's also deserving um but uh it will
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be now very interesting to see how much
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of that full body of work is actually
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taken into account because this was the
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one measuring stick that that Indiana
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had and it wasn't a a great performance
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I think it was a very good first half um
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so I think you look at that and you have
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to be um from a committee's perspective
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and and look at kind of how that game
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played out and I think that score is a
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lot different than maybe um you know
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what the the game actually uh felt like
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uh because it did feel at times a lot
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closer uh where one or two plays could
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have sparked uh uh you know any sort of
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momentum and obviously that didn't
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happen so you can't you know fully play
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that you know hypothetical game but um
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it just seemed at times it was a lot
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closer than uh than what that score
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obviously indicated at the end of the
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day we'll get the chance next week to
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see how a Signet team at Indiana for the
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first time will respond to a loss so
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we'll get that uh you know with Indiana
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Purdue next Saturday and hopefully we're
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talking about 11 and one and you know
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college football playoff stuff it's uh
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still exciting times for Indiana
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football and I've enjoyed this ride and
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hopefully continues so this has been a
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uh Morning Edition morning after Edition
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Alec thank you so much for for coming on
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and doing this and you know since we
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didn't get one out after the game
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yesterday yeah no absolutely I think it
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it's better so we had some time to kind
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of see how things did play out and that
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that was one of the reasons why uh you
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know we kind of talked about it just
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because there there was a lot that could
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have happened yesterday um and like we
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said obviously a lot went in Indiana's
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favor regardless of that result so I
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wanted to see kind of how everything
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played out before we uh jumped on and
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started talking about what was obviously
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you know a massive game for for Indiana
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and a disappointing result but uh All
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Things Considered I think uh like we
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said level heads always prevail right
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sometimes all right until then we'll
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have in touch with Indiana Sports
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tomorrow Mitchell pige should be joining
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me as usual to give his thoughts on
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everything that went down and then we
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have a big basketball week coming up
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with the battle for Atlanta so a lot of
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good stuff to talk about be sure to
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