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The London Marathon sparked a fiery row on GB News after allowing transgender women to run as females in this weekend's race.Following the Supreme Court's landmark ruling on biological women, race director Hugh Brasher has confirmed that participants in Sunday's iconic race can continue to self-identify their gender.FULL STORY HERE.
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But the London Marathon is charging ahead, and so are transgender women
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Yes, organisers say that runners can self-ID their gender for the mass race
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despite a Supreme Court ruling on biological sex. Well, it's a move that is reigniting debate over sport identity and fairness
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just days ahead of that marathon start. Well, joining us now is transgender marathon runner, Glenique Frank
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Janik, there should be no barriers to anybody running in this race
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It's a race for the general public. But there are only two sexes, male and female
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Why should male runners be allowed to record themselves as female? Well, when you, again, this whole transgender thing that's happened
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and I'm so glad that you're calling me again on the whole of the UK because I was picked on in 2023
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because in the mass race, as you said, it's an open race
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It's a charity race, because there's not only transgender people in the race, there's also disabled people in the race
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So people could complain about that. The able-bodied people don't complain about that
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But with transgender women, it's a mass race. That's what the question was
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Forget about the Supreme Court hearing and all that That a whole other thing because this is just about one event And it in the mass race the charity race And at the moment what I keep trying to campaign for
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why can't you have male, female, and then LGBTQ+, which stands for all the different and keep everybody happy
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You know, non-binary and other is just, to me, is just a sexual category
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It's not gender. So why can't they just keep it fair and have a category of LGBTQ+
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Then you'd force the lesbians and the gay and the bisexual people
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to not run with the straight people. But hang on, they are, though, because do you know what LGBTQ stands for
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That's the whole thing. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender. There you go. So we're all in one happy race
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But why would a gay woman or a gay man not be allowed to compete
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with straight people? Well, they are there. They aren't the same race as straight people
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I don't understand that question. But do you not accept that your sexuality
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has absolutely no impact on your sports performance, but your sex, whether you're male or female
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has an enormous impact on your sports performance? This is biological, going back to the whole biological thing again
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And what we're trying to say... Well that the reason we have single sports isn it Because males have such an inherent advantage over women This is not the question you heard me about what my opinion on what Hugh saying about the race And that what I giving you Don go into another whole category and sidetrack me
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because that's a whole other kind of words we need to open and discuss. I think what we're asking you is, nobody thinks that anybody should be banned from entering the London Marathon
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It is open to all people, as you say. But for the purpose of recording the results
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which is a very important thing to many people, what time they get, then the categories should be male or female
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And how you are recorded should be on the base of your biological sex. That's the argument
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When I was picked up by Mari Yamanuchi and I didn't want to hurt anybody
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why couldn't she phone me personally and say, what category are you under? There's no category for me
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There's non-binary or other. So you'd like a third category? No, just three
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male, female and then LGBTQ plus. Well, there is male, female and non-binary, I think
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in the current set-up. Well, the thing is, non-binary will fit under LGBTQ plus
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because that's what it's all about. Because you don't identify as non-binary. It's to keep the same-sex people happy
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and this is what it's all about. Let's be all happy. But the thing is when it comes to a mass race like you said I could end up if there was a category called unicorn I could have entered under that But there no category for me transgender people You see what I mean So I got female genitalia
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Now where am I going to go? What toilet to go in? Let's get this away from toilets, because
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this is not about single-sex spaces. This is about how should the results
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be recorded? The organisers of the marathon are saying that they are not going
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to change as a result of the Supreme Court ruling. They are waiting for further guidance
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And will continue to allow males to enter as females. Yeah, well, but I'm not
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But you'd be careful because it's transgender males now are women. Well, they're not in law biology or fact, but that is what the argument is about
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The thing is, it's a transgender woman is a woman because you've got woman female genitalia
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So that's not what makes a woman. It's the fact that you've got X, Y chromosomes that makes you a man
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Well, let me tell you now that in the elite game, because I'm a personal trainer, you're in my gym right now
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and some of the elite women beat the elite men. So what are you going to say about that
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Because their testosterone levels are actually quite higher than mine. No, that is interesting
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I'm afraid we could, I'm sure, do a back and forth for a long, long time. But, Frank, that's all we've got time for
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James Jenden, Marathon Runner, really appreciate you coming on and putting forward your case there
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