Taking Notes on Note-Taking | The Reschool'd Podcast

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may have missed with your hosts, AJ Couty and Jason Gordon. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Reschooled Podcast, the podcast that discusses all the

things that schools may have not have prepared you for. As always, I'm AJ. And with me again, my friend and co-host, Jason

Jason, how are you doing today? Doing great, AJ. Thanks for having me here. Yeah, my wife right now is baking and that aroma is coming through the house and I am

hungry and it's going to be one of those shows where even if it lasts 30 minutes, it's going

to feel like it's last 30 hours. Your head's going to be in other places. I understand completely

I'm hoping that I don't do those Freudian slips and have food in my words today

What's she baking? Some kind of cake. I don't know. Oh, yeah

See, and I'm typically not a big sweets person, but every once in a while I get a sweet tooth and man, it's all I can think of

Oh, but baking bread, man, the cake, whether you're a sweets person or not, that smells good

That's going to make you hungry. Oh, man. I'll try to keep you on track. How about that

Thank you. I greatly appreciate it. To kind of go back to what we talked about last episode, we talked about motivation and how to get motivation, what motivation is and how to maintain it

In this episode, we're actually going to start a new series. This is our tips and tricks series. This tends to be, from when I talk to my students, the one that they're looking forward to the most, because who doesn't like a little tip or trick or hint to get past something? Maybe not necessarily cut a corner, but help you strategically get a bit of an edge

And so in this series, the first chapter we're going to be dealing with is note taking. I think this is one of those areas outside of what we're going to talk about the next one, which is studying

I think these are the two areas that students tend to have troubles with the most

I know at least I did. Yeah, I'm excited about this one because in my classes without fail, I deal with students all the time who I know that they have all the ability in the world

I know that they have a good grasp on certain concepts that we're going over

the most difficulty that they have in completing the class is that they have really poor studying

skills, note taking skills, things like that. So to the extent we can help with that, I'm

really excited. Yeah. Well, and I could tell you from me growing up, I struggled with that

especially at the beginning of my college career. I got better because I took the time to actually learn it and enhance my ability. I will say, though, this episode is going to be a little

but different because we are talking with tips and tricks. We're going to do our top list

And now we're not going to say top 10 list or top five list because we've both

come up with our own that we haven't talked about with each other. And so we both came up with about five

but there's a, there's a good chance that some of ours are going to overlap or be the same

So this is just our top list of note-taking tips. And so we're going to be doing that in our main section

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So let's get into our quick question of the day. And it's actually the great we're going to go back to the grade the statement where we grade this statement on a A to F

And we're going to explain ourself. And this one's going to get real personal because it's dealing with

Obviously, our topic is note-taking. Jason, grade yourself on your note-taking skills in college

I would say I began as a B plus, A minus. Jeez

Made my way up to a solid A, A plus. I was a good note-taker. I was very good

I thought you were grading on a curve. Yeah. No, it was just in high school, I had a big turnaround. I focused really hard on

learning how to take notes and how to use that for studying purposes. And honestly, I got very

good at it. That's kind of what carried the day for me. Well, that would make sense because you

are a very structured person and that kind of coincides with note taking is being organized

and structured. And mine's an easy grade. When I first started college, my grade was an F and that

was grading on a curve. I mean, because again, in high school, I never had to know how to take

notes. I didn't have to study because I was a very audio based learner. So if I can hear it

I retained it. And so I never learned how to take notes. The only notes that I took in class

were the ones that really the teachers forced us to take because we had to take notes or whatever

And I would generally tell them, look, if you make me take notes, I can't pay attention. And

if I don't pay attention, then I'm not actually getting it. So it's going to do kind of, it's going to be counterintuitive, but it is what it is. It's not going to do much for me

And so they tend to understand that, especially once they saw my grades. But when I got into college where I actually needed note taking because things were coming at me a lot quicker, I was struggling like I was it was hurting

And that's when about a year and a half in and really kind of when I got into business school and I moved over from chemistry to business school is when I took the time to

learn how to take notes. I looked through and figure out what was the best practices

I practiced myself and I tried to get better at it. But even today, I mean, I probably would not

grade myself more than by the end of college. I wouldn't grade myself higher than probably a B

minus. Well, I will say this, you know, note taking is one function in the process. And then

what we'll get into next time, translating those notes and the material and the lectures and what

you remember, into study practices is a distinct difference there. And I broke down a lot between

those two. I was very good about taking the notes and identifying the things that, you know, I

thought were necessary. But those secondary tasks, I started out, honestly, not as good as I should

have been. And I've, honestly, I've gotten a lot better, but still, I'm very lacking in that area

There are people who are far better at the secondary parts of note taking than I am

And we'll talk more about what those are as we move forward. All right

Well, let's get into the first question. We're going to do one question real quick just to kind of sum up everything

And then we're going to get into our top tips. What do we mean by note taking? Well to me it simply means putting down in written format the things that jump out at you that you hear when listening to a lecture when reading material Right You basically pull out the pen and paper or you pull out the computer and you type out and say this is the thing that is important to me from this section

The rest of it, I understand. This is what is the salient point that I need to cement in my mind as being the point that helps me recall everything else that really helps put this material together with the next material I'm going to read or the next concept that's going to come up

Yeah. I mean, note taking was just, like I said, one of those things that it was for me just to jot down those things that in my head I thought was important. But then in reality, when I got to studying it, I could possibly be picking out the wrong things to write down. I don't know

but the more and more I learned, the more and more I understood what value comes with different

pieces of note-taking. So there is the, the fallacy of I've got to write everything down

And actually that's one of the things I'm going to talk about in my tips is I got to write everything

down. Everything that said, I got to write down. And that's just, that's not true. And it's not

practical. I mean, it's just not, that's not possible. Matter of fact, in my class, I, I

I understand that so much in my class that I teach. I give notes that have fill in the blanks so that will alleviate the pressures of, oh, man, I got to write down everything they see on the slides or I say on the I just give you that outright

So it kind of eases that burden as well. So, yeah, note taking has is has always been rough on me because I don't think I knew the meaning of it

I didn't know the best ways to do it. And I will say this, you know, the structure that we use to test people in college oftentimes focuses on, well, is the understanding of the material comprehensive

And we look for things that that can demonstrate a wide understanding of the concepts oftentimes, particularly when we use fill in the blank or short answer or multiple choice test

So as much as I hate the aspect that people study for the test rather than study for general knowledge, being a skilled note taker can, I mean, it can cut two ways

You can be a skilled note taker for, hey, I really need to internalize these aspects of this concept

And I'd say that's more towards the general understanding learning aspect of it

And then there's the aspect of, oh, this will probably be on the test or it could show up on the test

So I'm going to write this down, even though this is not the core concept

This is not the most important or salient point here. But I focus on it just as much as the salient point

So oftentimes I don't think we as professors do justice by our students or do right by our students in how we test some of these and how we require them to take notes in certain ways to focus on some things that are less important than others

But when you take the notes and they're on the paper and when they make up a question on the test, well, if your objective there is making a higher grade, which it's generally is most people's objective, right

Then we're reinforcing a negative tendency in that way when it comes to getting the most out of your learning experience

I agree. Well, let's get into our tips. We're going to just, we'll do them one

I'll do one and then you do one and just kind of go back and forth. And if we meet in the middle somewhere, well, I'll let you know

We'll let each other know. And I wrote down five. So I'm sure out of that number, one or two of ours will cross over

Odds are yes. My first one, the top of my list is don't assume the one that there's one note taking style that's going to work for every class

And to kind of explain that a little bit, taking notes in a highly qualitative class, maybe like history or law

is going to have a different style or at least should have a different style of taking notes

than if you're in a highly quantitative class like a math or finance class. And a lot of that

has to do with the fact of the purpose of your learning or how you have to learn it

So history and law, and I'm going to speak more to history because I didn't take a whole lot of

law classes and you're the expert in the law side, but history is this is what happened. And typically

you're tested on what happened. And so it's almost like a matter of fact, this is just here it is

And I'm more or less memorizing it. Now, I do know law. There's a lot of connections because

is it true that you have to when you're explaining something, you have to cite something

from the previous one and you're really answering a question. I can't remember much in law

but I know you typically have to cite previous court cases when you're bringing up an answer

Correct. It depends on the way you're being tested at the undergraduate level

You don't have as much of that. Sure. It's more you're trying to identify the base concept

So being able to say that this is how this concept works, at least in my classes, is more important at the graduate level in law school

It's completely different. Right. It's it's more about managing the volume of material

So if you don't, you know, to echo what you're saying, if you don't change your note taking style, you'll end up with too much

Right. In law school, notes are a starting point, but notes are just a building block to get you to an outline

And an outline is just, you know, bulleted aspects that help you basically understand all the material that's there

So it's a different function. Like you say, I'd say the note taking for mathematics is as far from what you'll see in law school as you know, it's they're hardly even comparable

Yeah, that's what I'm speaking this from an accounting side, because I know an accounting because it does have quantitative information

information. And obviously we deal with numbers, but it is conceptual too. And I try to explain to

students, and this is actually coming later on in the studying side when we talk about studying, but

you need to understand why we do things in accounting, not so much the how. The how is easy

but understanding why we do it will let you know when you have to do it again. Because if this

happens, then you're going to have to do it this way again. Whereas if you just say, if this happens

this is how I have to do it, then you're going to know how to do that one instance. But if it comes up again in a different way, a different wording, you're not going to know it as easy

So it's a lot of it about the whys. I think I'm hearing a second tip there that understanding, you know

what your purpose behind learning it is and what it means to learn it is going to affect the way you take notes

Yeah. So you go ahead and give me your first tip. OK, so mine is it's based upon the concept behind note taking

I actually heard you say earlier I'm an audio learner type scenario

Well, some people say, well, note taking doesn't work for me or I can't listen to somebody else's tips on taking notes

It won't help me. Well, that's a fallacy. OK, sure. Note taking we know helps everyone Right Our ability to remember things is limited There that old saying and I can remember who the quotation is from but the best memory is not as good as the shortest pencil

That makes sense. And note-taking kind of encapsulates that. You're taking notes about things so that, all right, here it is

It's in hard form. So when I come back to it later and I see it, it helps get me back to the place where I understood the bigger body of what I read or what I heard

So my tip is in its most simple form, note taking really is for everybody

And there's no aspect of note taking that will not help you in some way based upon your learning style or based upon the subject that you're taking

One method of taking notes may be better than another, may be more efficient

You have to decide upon that yourself through practice. But note-taking helps. It works. So that's a baseline understanding you need to go into that with

That makes sense. And I do think that runs right in line with what they say is the biggest mistake that any human makes. And that is, I don't have to write it down. I'll remember it later. I mean, it kind of goes directly with that. I mean, and more times than none, we forget what we were supposed to remember

Yeah, it brings up that funny episode. If you ever watch Van Wilder, write that down. I don't have a pen. We'll remember it then

Yeah, exactly. Well, my number two is look at note taking as a two step process. There is an in class section of it and then there's an after class section of it. So the purpose of the in class notes is really to jot down the keywords, the phrases that you think are important. Now, that's the first thing

And you don't want to, again, write down everything, but you want to jot down those key things

And then after class, this is where probably most students forget about or don't do

The after class notes is when you use those keywords and phrases to go back through your learning material

So your textbooks or whatever, and fill in the gaps, answer the questions that may have come up as you're doing this

And also, and here's the big one, formulate questions to ask during your next class session

You can get those answered from your teacher if there's still questions on your mind

Typically, we see notes as being a one-step process, which is just what we do in class, and then we're done

But it is important to go through and get the after class side of it as well

Take the extra step and use your text to expand your knowledge and your notes at home

I'll agree with that completely. And as a matter of fact, you kind of touched on two of my points that are coming up

So if I can, I'll jump to honestly both of them right now

First off, you said, you know, you don't write down everything. OK, everything is written down for you in the book, right

Or in the assigned readings, assuming your professor is doing a good job of providing

you external sources of the information that he or she is going over in class

Right. But your point with note taking is to, once again, capture the things that may not make perfect sense to you prior to hearing them in class or prior to having that discussion amongst other students or with the professor

Right. So what you're primarily going to do is you're going to summarize

You're going to summarize, you're going to bullet points that will help bring you back to that summary or that understanding that you were going for

You'll make references, sometimes just keyword references or one phrase references. Sometimes you'll draw little diagrams, right, that the diagram itself is a summary of what

you just had there. So don't write everything down, but you do need to have some way of referencing back

So coming up with that method that works for you, I'm a big bullet person rather than short summaries

I like to see things outlined in bullets at different levels, right

Indented at different levels, sub bullets. OK, I'm a big diagram person

OK, so between those and then the other point you hit on was you got to keep working with

your notes. That is a big misstep that I see among students

They take notes and then they close their notebook and they don't look at the notes again until next class period

They move on to new material. Well, once you finish taking notes, you're not done, right

That's when you need to go back through your notes and make sure your notes help you understand the greater content

Do you feel like just by reading these notes that you understand the important things that you got from your reading

that you the important things that the professor pointed out during class

Because the professor cannot. There's not enough time for him or her to say everything in the class

Right. They're just high points. So once again, you need to work with those notes and refine them to get you to that place

All right. Well, my third one could be a little bit of a contentious tip because it's dealing with digital versus og

It's dealing with writing versus typing. Which one's better? And I know with technology the way it is today, you know, a lot of students in my classes have their laptops out

and I assume they're working on class stuff. They're not watching TV

Although I have caught somebody watching the Masters in my class. That was actually pretty fun

And I was more upset because I was jealous he was watching it and I wasn't

I caught someone watching the World Cup at one point. Oh, yeah, that would have been me

I really couldn't have been. I couldn't get angry at them. But the problem was so many people behind them were watching it as well

It looked like a movie theater where everyone was concentrated on his computer screen

So I had to put an end to it. Side note for students, if you're not doing coursework, everybody around you will tell the teacher that you're not doing it just by looking at your computer the whole time

So don't think you're hiding it. But writing versus typing. So there are studies out there that have shown that students remember more information when they write it out by hand versus typing it out on a computer

And that's to me is key. The study and what it does, the study explains that when typing, students tend to try to take more verbatim notes, meaning they try to literally type everything out

Whereas when you're writing, you tend to use more shorthand abbreviations and you become more selective about the notes that you write down

which in turn allows them to become more actively engaged in the lecture

And that's where your learning occurs. The note-taking is going to, again, help you after the class

but your engagement within the class gets that foundation and that education

and the learning going forward while you're there. And so that's why it tends to be better to write than to type

Now, if you're somebody that prefers typing, that's fine. understand the deficiencies that come with that tend, I should say, come with typing

which is the shorthand and being actively engaged. If you want to convert that into typing and just, again, use shorthand for typing so you can be engaged

then you compensating for that deficiency And AJ I echo something else on that point because I couldn agree more there I like to type oftentimes because it fast but when it comes to learning it when it comes to

committing the material that you're taking down the memory, nothing compares to writing it

If you've ever tried it and if you're very proficient at typing, I've done a lot of

transcription in my day, being involved with law, right? I've had to, as well as in school

But typing, I can read something or I can listen to something and type at the same time

And because there's this separation of what I'm doing, I haven't learned, I haven't committed in

any way to memory. I can read a book and type things and not know what the book says

because it's just flowing through from the pages to my fingers, right

But you cannot do that with writing. If you read something, you actually have to temporarily memorize it

to then scribe it to paper. So with that being said, you're studying how you're learning that material

You are committing it, at least to some degree, to memory. So it's more painful, right

All difficult things are, you know, it's that directed learning, as we call it

And I like to call it the painful type of learning, right? The painful type of practice. But it helps, right

It makes your life easier in the end, okay? Because there won't be as much cramming

The long-term remembering will be better. And so, you know, through school, even when I had a computer, and like I said, I didn't

get a computer till after my first year of college, I still wrote everything down

In law school, I was one of the few people that focused primarily on taking notes on paper rather than on a computer because it was I needed it to be somewhat internalized throughout

So it would make my life easier at the end. Yeah. And even if you're somebody like me, I'm very tech based

I love technology. You still have ways that you can still write it on something digital

So like an iPad or a Windows tablet. But you can still write that out and you're still getting the action of writing it out, much like you were saying, instead of just typing it out

So you still have those tendencies. I will say an honorable mention to these tips, which was really interesting when I read it, is that if you write in red or blue ink, I think you're 31% more likely to remember it than if you wrote it in black ink

That's interesting. I did not know that. I didn't either. And I'm just a black ink style person

And I never thought about changing ink colors and it being that important

Well, Royal Blue is my new favorite then. There you go. I'm a new Royal Blue person. What do you got from the movie Liar, Liar

Yeah. All right. So give us your next tip. Okay. My next tip is focused again on the ultimate objective of learning the material and how note taking plays in there

You take notes on your reading as well as the lecture. If you just read material and then just go on, right

You read everything and you haven't started to internalize the concepts at all as you move forward in things

The further you get away from reading the stuff and the more stuff you put on top of it in a short period of time, you're going to forget it

It's not going to be committed to memory. So taking notes while you're reading, reading a small section and identify the all of one concept that kind of goes together

Then take your notes on that reading. Then go to the next paragraphs

Take your notes on that reading. So by the end, you have a good set of notes as soon as you get to the end of the reading

You don't have to reread or read the material twice. You can read back down through your notes just to refresh yourself before class

Then when you're in class and you're taking notes on the lecture, you can pay attention

primarily to the lecture and what the professor is saying. And you should be able to easily follow down through your notes and see all of the points

that are there. If the professor explains something in a different way or expands upon the topic or says something that you had a misunderstanding about prior to hearing that discussion, then you can make your notes out to the side and you can improve your notes

So turning the note taking process in class into more of a, like I say, you're adding a little bit to the notes that you already have

You're just developing your existing notes further. that is going to make you a much more efficient, proficient note taker

That makes complete sense. That's again, that's one of the reasons why I think I struggled so much when I was in high school going into college

is because I didn't feel like I needed that extra step because I was getting by with my grades on just what I heard in class

You know, in high school, things come a lot slower. And it's, you know, you tend to have tests on every chapter and then, you know, it's broken down more

And then in college, it's like, all right, we're going to go through five chapters in one week and you're going to have a test on the next 10 chapters

You know, so I really struggled at the very beginning. Yeah. And, you know, as you proceed through school, your note taking skills and your ability to translate that into your learning material will change

You know, law school was every class is you go an entire semester and there's one test at the end

Right. Essay type that gives you anywhere from three to five hours to take it

Right. And it's everything rides on that. If you didn't keep up the entire time and for the volumes of material that you have to read, if you don't do a very good job of summarizing first and then outlining, just bulleting everything out

I mean, your outlines for some classes would be 20, 30, 40, 50 pages of just bullets. Right. But the material that you're responsible for having read or knowing is hundreds of pages

So if you didn't break it down piece by piece like that, there's no way to recall it and use it efficiently

Okay. So anyway, it's just you're going to see an evolution there, and it's going to change based upon the types of classes you take and the types of material you're learning

But from a general standpoint, starting with the reading material and taking notes from there is going to improve your studying habits a lot

Well, I've got one more tip. And it is something I see too often in my class

And again, I do have a class that is somewhat quantitatively based where we have to do problems that have processes or steps in which you do it

And so my final tip is don't fall for what I call the overconfident example problem fallacy

And by that, I mean, when you're sitting in class and you're watching your professor, or maybe you're doing it on a sheet of paper as they go through it, a quantitative problem on the board, you may feel this false sense of, oh, that was easy

I can do that on my own. No problem. And I'm good. However, when you go back home and you start doing your homework, or even if you get on the exam and you see the problem and you feel like, oh, I just, I blanked

I don't, I don't, I don't remember how to do this. it's not that you blanked necessarily

It's you thought it was easy when somebody else was doing the problem

or they were giving you the cues and the helps to do the problem. But when you have to do it on your own from nothing

it's a whole nother ballgame. So when you're doing problems, I highly suggest you do problems step by step

So don't wait until... till the professor is finished with the problem to then transcribe it on your sheet of paper

Do it as they go and write yourself notes as to questions that you may have or reasons why you do

this or whatnot. That's going to get you further in your studying, but don't take it just at face

value that, oh, I understand how they did it on the board, or you have that feeling of, oh

that makes sense. And you're done. You don't have to do any more of it because it made sense in that

one moment. Make sure you write that down. I agree 100% AJ and that particularly applies

with anything that's procedural in nature. Start with mathematics. You know, if you can watch it

being done on the board and it makes complete sense, doing it yourself is a different story

I've, you know, I'm no accountant, but I've taken a few accounting courses. So I can

I can agree with you 100%, right? A lot of processes. If you don't try that process yourself

you have no idea whether you can actually do it. So a great point

All right. My last one is kind of related to some of the things we've already said

but I'm a big proponent of this. And I know this wasn't something you did ahead

You used as a practice in college, but in my opinion, taking notes in class is not very effective for your learning

If you don't already know the material, So you still have to do it

OK, you still have to do it. Don't don't take that as if you don't already know the material walking into the class where you're going to go over it

That note taking is an important. You should still do that. It will help somewhat, but it will help exponentially more

If you walk into the class feeling like you are comfortable with and understand the material you going to go over that day Because as the professor is talking about it you will start to rewrite some things You start to make some specific points that deepen your understanding And all of

that just makes certain that whatever you've learned stays there, is more ingrained, and you'll

be able to use it at the next level. So that being said, make certain you know the material

before you go into the class. So it almost sounds like you're saying it's an addendum to my

second tip, which is that it's a two part process, which you're saying is actually a three part

process. You have a before class, then an in class and then an after class. I like that

We should write that down. It should be a three step process. Well, really quickly, let's end on this last question, because I think we've said all this

stuff and these are all tips that we said, but I think it all comes down to practicing. So what

are some hard skill practice techniques you can recommend for becoming a good note taker

I would say you've got to be able to manage the material you're reading

Vast material like history or literature or shorter material that tends to be more procedurally

broken down like accounting or finance, you need to be able to break it down into usable chunks

Okay. Don't try to, you know, how do you, that old saying of how do you eat an elephant

One bite at a time. Right. Same thing with the material. Right

You've got to break it down into chunks and take those notes on each individual chunk ahead of time

Okay. That's going to help a ton. Yeah. I would. And the question says hard skill practice techniques

I cannot get that word out. Techniques. I think mine is going to be more on the soft skill

side because I think one of the issues of people who would be quote unquote bad note takers is the feeling of being overwhelmed And so I think it a matter of you know staying calm and understanding again going back to exactly what we just talked about

Understand it's a three part series. It's a three step process. Go ahead and get familiar with the information prior to class

then take your notes in class and then take the step after class to go through and expand on what

you wrote you know what you written down that to me i think is going to take you further than just

doing it within class so that would be my my my suggestion for for ways to practice is just take

that three-step approach yeah that makes sense i agree with that i'll give you one more hard skill

So learn to type. If you can't read something beside you and type at the same time, that's going to make aspects of note taking harder

Also, learn to summarize and write quickly with your hand. Bulleting things, drawing little diagrams to help you understand things

It takes practice. That's a hard skill. It's so interesting because my son right now

So when I was going, and I'm sure you're the same way. When we were going through middle school, we had computer classes in high school where we had to type and you had to test how much, how fast you can type

My son has yet to have that. And he's going into 11th grade and he's never had a computer class because I guess they assume that they grew up on computers and they know what they're doing

But the typing aspect of it, I mean, it's like, you know, a chicken pecking for some food

You know, you're letter pecking to try to get, you know, the words out on the screen

So it's pretty rough. All right. Well, you've got a skill based function that he needs to work on

Oh, yeah. We've already told him that. You know it going to it going to save him a lot of time going to make him better at what he does And so I want to echo that for everybody out there Right You may be a good typist but be sure that you can set that book beside you and read from that book and type without looking at your fingers without looking at the screen

Make sure that you can read a paragraph and then from that, without looking at the screen

type it out. That hard skill is going to help you a ton. Well, this has been an awesome show

And like I said, I wish I'd had this when I was, like I said, going before college, going into college, because this would have helped me quite a bit

On our next episode, we're going to be talking about tips and tricks for studying, which is another area of issue or concern for some students

I will say one of the things that we would like to do with this, Jason and I are going to actually put our top whatever, how many of these

I think we had five or so. We're going to put them on our social media so you can have them at your disposal

So hopefully it'll keep up. You'll be able to keep up with these. So be on the lookout for those

Jason, before we leave, do you have anything else you want to tell the listeners? just remind everybody we're here for you guys so get us your questions get us your comments get us

your success stories that we can celebrate with you because this is about you you have something

you want to know we want to talk about it also when we post this on socials if you would like

to comment your own tips to help other people that would be awesome too you know if we can get a

community to help get together and and share their tips and tricks that's going to help them it may

help somebody else and again all we're here for is to make sure we try to help at least one person

as they go through college. Hopefully many more, but at minimum one. So, but other than that

y'all have a wonderful rest of your weekday, whatever, but goodbye. Take care

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