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Will Packer and Tristen J. Winger Talk BET’s New Comedy Series ‘Bigger’ | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
May 6, 2021
BET announces the linear television premiere of the hit BET+ Original Series, “Bigger,” executive produced by Will Packer and Will Packer Media, beginning Wednesday, January 27 at 10:30 PM ET/9:30 PM CT on BET. The 10-episode first season will air weekly ahead of the previously announced season two, set to debut in 2021 exclusively on BET+.
Will Packer and Tristen J. Winger talk with the Sway In The Morning team about the new series and what to expect.
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So we got a juggernaut in the game. DB,
0:02
do the honors, man. Talk about this guy,
0:04
man. Put him on a pedestal for me,
0:05
please, DB.
0:07
Well, I think when you talk about people
0:09
like Tyler Perry, Oprah Winfrey, Spike
0:11
Lee, power players in Hollywood that are
0:14
providing opportunities for people who
0:15
may not get a chance otherwise, I think
0:17
we need to mention his name more often
0:19
and he's been in the game since I was in
0:21
middle school producing films starting
0:23
with Chocolate City and then Tra and
0:25
then he went on from there to bring us
0:26
movies like Girls Trip and Think Like a
0:28
Man and Night School. I mean, this guy
0:31
has probably been mostly responsible for
0:33
bringing us
0:35
Tiffany Haddish and Kevin Hart's career
0:36
cuz I mean he worked with them several
0:38
times and he's been on our show several
0:40
times and he's got this new series that
0:42
he's producing to add to his resume
0:44
Bigger which season two is available now
0:46
and he brought with him Tristan J.
0:48
Winger. You know him from Issa Rae's
0:49
Insecure who had one of the coolest
0:51
names in the world, Thug Yoda. And now
0:53
he's with us today.
0:54
Please welcome Please welcome Tristan J.
0:56
Winger and Will Packer.
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COME ON, MAN.
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WHAT UP, WILL? WHAT UP, TRISTAN?
1:02
Had a good week, Sway? DB, what up,
1:04
y'all? Yo, shout out DB for the intro.
1:05
First of all, he made me feel good and
1:08
bad at the same time. Made me feel good
1:09
cuz he said my name with a bunch of
1:10
people that I don't need to be in there
1:12
with. You talk about Oprah, Tyler Perry.
1:14
I feel like the IRS is going to call me
1:15
as soon as I finish this interview.
1:17
He was like, "Yeah, he's been making
1:18
movies since I was in elementary
1:20
school." Brother, you just made me feel
1:22
old just like that. I'm like, "Damn,
1:24
I've been in the game that long?" What
1:26
up, family? How y'all doing?
1:28
What up, Will?
1:29
What up, man? Tristan J, what up, baby?
1:33
Hey, what's happening, Sway? Have a good
1:35
good good good morning.
1:36
Hey, what's up? Good morning. Tristan
1:38
was too busy laughing.
1:40
Yo, I love it.
1:41
Let me tell you,
1:42
you know, Tris- Tristan, ever since
1:44
Bigger popped off and Bigger is like
1:46
it's the sexiest ensemble comedy on TV.
1:49
I'mma tell you right now, I check out
1:51
Tristan's Twitter page every now and
1:53
then. Yo, they be throwing them virtual
1:55
panties at Tristan, y'all. I'm just
1:57
going
1:57
I I've it.
2:00
He probably was up late last night going
2:02
through his DMs. Tristan is popping
2:04
right now.
2:05
Damn. All right, Tristan. How was
2:07
summer?
2:08
I don't know what you're talking about.
2:09
I don't know what you're talking about,
2:10
Will. I haven't seen any virtual
2:12
panties. The DMs have been very dry.
2:14
That's not an invitation to get into my
2:16
DMs. I mean, if you want to congratulate
2:17
me you can.
2:20
That's how you know it's true had to be.
2:22
You know when a player talk like that,
2:24
you know he just don't want to stop the
2:25
flow. You know what I'm saying?
2:28
Yo, Sway. First of all, my guy, there is
2:31
no Stomp the Yard without Sway, okay?
2:34
Come on, come on. Come on, Will. Come
2:36
on, man.
2:37
My guy, back in the day, yo, I called
2:40
Sway on some like random, I'm sure you
2:43
busy, I know you can't do it, but would
2:44
you shoot down to Atlanta and jump in
2:47
this cameo for me on this little movie
2:48
that I got popping, my man showed up,
2:50
did it for me. All love, always, my
2:52
brother. You know that.
2:54
Dope. Every time, man. That that movie
2:56
to me is historical, and I think it was
2:58
the
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perfect representation of who we are
3:00
when we're at our finest. I love see it
3:03
seeing people study in the study hall in
3:06
that movie. That was that imaging
3:09
that Columbus Short and all that, you
3:11
know, Meagan Good and them being in the
3:12
study hall. That imaging helped shape
3:15
and mold the minds of the generation
3:17
watching that. It's okay to study. It's
3:19
okay to go to school. It's okay, you
3:22
know, to pledge a frat or sorority.
3:24
Yeah.
3:24
My sister, my brother, they they took
3:26
that route. It's okay to educate and be
3:29
empowered, you know, and Stomp the Yard
3:31
to me was just a perfect movie at the
3:33
perfect time. It makes sense that you
3:35
guys are together, too, because
3:37
you know, Tristan J, my daughter also
3:39
was a member of AGC, Amazing Grace
3:42
Conservatory. Yes.
3:44
I didn't What? I did not know this.
3:47
Yes, Kiami Calaway. She was in there for
3:49
years. You you might have I used to
3:52
I used to see y'all do the Wiz.
3:54
Yeah.
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IT'S INCREDIBLE. SO, I DIDN'T GET TO DO
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the Wiz, but I did Grease, I did
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Prodigal Sister. Oh my god, this is
4:02
incredible. I was just at AGC a couple
4:04
days ago.
4:05
Yeah, man. Wendy Raquel. Yeah, GG Miss
4:08
GG. I used to come out AGC for you guys
4:11
don't that that that that don't know
4:14
is Amazing Grace Conservatory. It's a
4:18
It's a community
4:19
of where um
4:21
where these kids are taught to really
4:23
tap into their
4:24
you know, performance art prowess
4:27
whether singing, dancing, spirituality,
4:30
you know, meditation,
4:32
discipline, professionalism. It just
4:34
really gears kids up properly for the
4:37
world that they're trying to take on and
4:38
even beyond performance art. You know,
4:41
you take the lessons you learn there. I
4:42
used to sit and listen to them Wendy
4:44
Raquel and everybody talk to my daughter
4:46
and go wow. I used to thank them.
4:50
So, it's amazing. How how necessary was
4:52
a AGC for you in your rise, Tristan J?
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Yo, listen, it was essential. It laid
4:58
the foundation for where I am today. I
5:00
would not be who I am and where I am
5:02
today if it weren't for Wendy Raquel
5:03
Robinson and Tracy Coley, the late Tracy
5:07
Coley who passed a while ago.
5:09
AGC, I remember riding with my mom in
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the car. We was listening to Steve
5:13
Harvey and they
5:15
there was a commercial for the Black
5:16
Business Expo and AGC had a spot in that
5:20
commercial. And Wendy Raquel Robinson
5:21
talked about AGC and so we went to the
5:23
open house and immediately I was like,
5:25
this is the place for me. All these
5:27
beautiful black and brown people were
5:29
all in the you know, we're all working
5:31
in the creative space singing, acting,
5:33
and dancing and I was like, I'm going to
5:34
do it all. I'm going to do whatever they
5:36
need me to do. I'm just give it. And
5:37
then Wendy would always say to thine own
5:39
self be true and it's just like be
5:41
yourself and honor that in yourself. And
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it's like, I love AGC. Shout out to
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Amazing Grace Conservatory.
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There you go.
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So dope.
5:48
man. Yeah, man. So, we we connected. I
5:50
probably seen you on stage as a
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youngster.
5:53
Um and so,
5:56
it makes sense.
5:57
Did you see any potential in him, Sway?
5:58
That's what I want to know.
5:59
Come on, man.
6:00
Come on. I saw something with The
6:02
Mis-Adventures of Awkward Black Girl.
6:03
I've been watching him on Insecure. I
6:05
love it, man. I Come on, man. He by
6:07
playing a DJ. I Come on, man. I got to
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rock with him.
6:11
Come on. Let me ask you this, too. Man,
6:13
will this Bigger Little Citizens. I
6:16
don't know if you watched it or not.
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I when I say this, it's like my favorite
6:20
series right now. I wish it was around
6:23
when I was in my mid-30s. Because you
6:25
told when you turn 30, you know, you're
6:27
going to have all this amazing insight
6:29
and things are going to start working
6:31
out and the seeds you planted in your
6:32
20s will start blossoming in your 30s.
6:35
But I remember being in my 30s and even
6:37
in my 30s, I was working in with MTV,
6:39
doing all these different things.
6:42
Um and working with you in the movie.
6:44
Um still not
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I still didn't have my footing. You know
6:48
what I mean? I still couldn't figure out
6:50
what the next year was going to bring me
6:52
or if the things I had were even the
6:55
foundation was even strong enough. How
6:57
did you get the the idea of approaching
7:00
this series
7:01
from people in their mid-30s? What what
7:03
was it? What happened that day?
7:05
What you just said is so true, Sway.
7:08
Like there's somebody listening right
7:10
now in their 30s trying to figure out
7:13
like is this life? Is this what I'm
7:15
supposed to be doing in my life?
7:17
Hello.
7:17
Am I on the right track? Am I living my
7:19
potential? Is this all there is? Like
7:21
that's such a relatable concept. And I
7:25
was having a conversation with Felicia
7:27
Merry, who is the showrunner and creator
7:29
of the show. Amazingly talented sister
7:32
out of Chicago. And we were talking
7:34
about how there isn't that realistic
7:37
depiction that has comedy, drama, has
7:42
that ensemble group of friends that you
7:44
can relate to who are at the same time
7:47
aspirational and trying to get to bigger
7:49
and better things, but a group of
7:51
knuckleheads. You know what I'm saying,
7:52
right? Like that's the that's the vibe.
7:54
It's it's a very smart, realistic,
7:57
authentic ensemble comedy. It's sexy,
8:00
right? It goes there. It's got some edge
8:01
to it. I like that about it. But Felicia
8:04
really kind of took that concept of what
8:06
you said, Sway, which is like how do we
8:08
really encapsulate that true like I'mma
8:11
call it 30-something angst, right? Is
8:13
there more out there? Is bigger better,
8:15
right? Am I doing all I can be doing
8:17
with my life? And she took it and ran
8:19
with it. And we got this amazing cast
8:22
along with Tristan. This group is like I
8:25
I really I like to say people have next,
8:27
but this crew has now. And I'm very
8:29
proud of the fact that I've been
8:31
involved with some some big folks in
8:32
their careers and being a part of some
8:34
platforms that have launched them. You
8:36
mentioned, you know, like Kev, Kev Hart,
8:38
Tiffany Haddish, Issa Rae. Proud of the
8:40
work I've done with them. This cast, I'm
8:42
telling y'all, this cast has got now.
8:45
I'm so proud of them. Funny, smart It's
8:48
a smart comedy, right? A lot of serious
8:50
stuff going on in the world, but this is
8:51
one of those series you can unplug, but
8:53
you still got to use your brain cuz it's
8:55
smart. It's not dumb comedy. It's smart.
8:56
I'm proud of that.
8:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
8:59
Thank you, Will.
9:01
With Tristan, you know, I mean I I I had
9:03
to say it cuz you was on the interview,
9:04
brother. If you weren't on there, I
9:06
probably
9:07
wouldn't have been as big on the cast,
9:08
but you know, you here. So.
9:11
You know, Tracy, you in your 30s.
9:13
I am. So, I can relate to all of this.
9:16
Um my question for Will, and I got one
9:17
for you, too, Tristan, but Will, can
9:19
you, thinking back during um your decade
9:23
of 30s, is there a really stand out
9:26
lesson that you're so happy you received
9:29
because you're seeing how it is still
9:31
working for you in your 40s?
9:33
No Oh, that's a good question. No doubt.
9:35
Absolutely. Um
9:37
I was like Sway, right? And like a lot
9:39
of us and like a lot of people that
9:40
might be listening where I wasn't sure
9:42
because I wasn't, you know, at the level
9:44
I'm at now in my 30s. I was really just
9:47
starting to like figure it out and get
9:49
some success. The thing that I learned
9:51
then that I know is still true now that
9:53
I would tell my younger self and I would
9:55
tell folks listening now is your dream
9:58
is your dream, right? It's yours. Don't
10:00
give that power to anybody else. Nobody
10:03
else can validate or invalidate your
10:06
dream. And your dream is not over until
10:08
you say it's over. So, I was chasing
10:09
this dream of being a a big movie
10:11
producer and it didn't I didn't start
10:13
popping right away, right? It took some
10:14
time. And I had a lot of big people in
10:17
industry tell me, "Ah, I don't know. I
10:18
don't know if you got what it takes and
10:20
I don't know if this is for you." But
10:21
until I let it go, until I said the
10:23
dream was over or deferred or died, it
10:26
wasn't. still living. So, I would say to
10:29
the younger me or to folks that are out
10:31
there in their 30s, listen, if it's your
10:32
dream and you got it, don't give that
10:34
power away to anybody else and keep
10:36
going for it because it ain't over till
10:37
you say it's over.
10:39
Mhm.
10:40
That deserves its own applause. Thank
10:42
you for that. We all need that reminder.
10:44
Don't matter the age.
10:46
Thank you, Will Packer.
10:48
My buddy, what's your question for
10:49
Tristan?
10:50
Tristan, I'm thinking about from what
10:52
I've learned on your journey and God
10:55
bless your mother who just fully
10:57
freaking immersed you in the arts. And,
11:01
you know, growing up, what I found just
11:04
from observation and some conversations
11:06
when it came to a lot of younger black
11:08
men that I was around, if they were
11:10
interested in the arts, particularly if
11:12
dance was involved and a bit of acting,
11:15
it was seen as like emasculating. You
11:18
know what I mean? That it wasn't the
11:20
tough guy. A lot of people really want
11:22
their dudes to be like big time into
11:25
sports. Like athleticism gets so much
11:27
more shine when it comes to raising
11:30
young men versus the arts. What would
11:33
you say to a parent who has a young boy
11:36
and that's the path they want to take
11:37
versus, you know, this machismo type of
11:40
lane?
11:42
I would say to that parent, let, you
11:43
know, discover what the child
11:46
needs and see what it is that they're
11:48
going to be drawn to. Like my mom, she
11:50
she tried everything. She raised us by
11:52
herself, me and my younger brother
11:54
Essie. He's 4 years younger than me. We
11:56
tried We tried T-ball. We tried
11:58
basketball. We tried
12:00
piano lessons. I shouldn't have stopped
12:01
with piano lessons cuz I started
12:03
producing later.
12:04
We tried I was in jazz band in junior
12:07
high school.
12:08
I was always into science. We went to
12:10
science
12:11
science camp and summer school like
12:13
Oh wow.
12:14
It was almost like, you know, in a way
12:17
it was kind of like throwing throwing
12:19
darts at a map and saying, "Okay, let's
12:21
go here." And we just went with it. Like
12:23
whatever it was cuz my mom my mom I
12:26
don't know if you saw this but maybe
12:28
people don't know this but my mom was a
12:29
touring ballroom dancer in her 20s when
12:31
she was
12:33
when she was in college too. So she got
12:34
to see the world. She got to experience
12:36
the world. She has this broad world view
12:38
and she wanted that for her son. So I
12:40
say to these parents, give your children
12:42
this broad world view. Let them see the
12:45
world and let them see themselves in all
12:48
places of the world and not just give
12:50
them a microscopic look at, you know,
12:53
what they have available to them that's
12:55
just in the neighborhood. The world is
12:57
their oyster, parents.
12:58
Mhm.
12:59
I love it. Great advice. And if I could
13:01
just jump in on that too, Tristan, you
13:04
know, it's it's all about putting the
13:06
work in as well. And one thing that I
13:08
have seen sometimes with like the the
13:11
younger generation, frankly, is that
13:13
there is this feeling of a need for
13:15
immediate validation and gratification.
13:17
Like if it ain't popping immediately, if
13:20
it's not happening right now cuz that's
13:21
the world we live in. We live in an
13:23
immediate world, right? If If not
13:25
happening right now, maybe it's not
13:26
worth it. Maybe it's not putting the
13:27
work in. But you look at somebody like
13:29
Tristan and he found his way to the show
13:32
that we're working on together because
13:33
he put the work in. And so that goes
13:36
back to what you're saying about
13:37
parents. Encourage your kids, even if
13:39
like they're not immediately successful
13:41
at whatever it is, don't give up, right?
13:43
And don't allow them to give up. Now,
13:45
I'm not saying you force your kids to do
13:46
something that clearly don't want to do,
13:48
don't have a passion for. But if you
13:50
think they do or they might and they've
13:52
got a skill set in it, stay on them.
13:54
Push them. Because I see too many folks
13:56
give up and not just in entertainment,
13:58
just in various fields and parents
14:00
allowing them. Well, try this, doesn't
14:02
work, try something else, try that,
14:03
doesn't work. Well, you got to stick
14:04
with something, right? Give it some
14:06
time. Give it 6 months. Give it a year
14:08
and see if you've got something in that
14:10
particular area that may not immediately
14:14
show up. You may not immediately be
14:15
successful. That's one thing I see with
14:18
this this world that we're in.
14:19
Everybody's looking for something that's
14:20
going to pop right now today. But you
14:22
got to put the work in. Tristan is a
14:23
living example of that.
14:24
Word up.
14:25
Absolutely, man.
14:26
Tristan J. Winger
14:28
star on BMF on BET Plus. Season 2 is
14:33
happening right now. Will Packer
14:34
Juggernaut. Have you want to say
14:36
anything to him? You want to say
14:37
anything to him?
14:38
I did. What's up, Will?
14:40
What's up, Will? What's up, Tristan?
14:41
What's happening? How y'all doing? I'm
14:43
blessed, man. Thank y'all so much for
14:45
joining us in the show today. Will,
14:47
would you um
14:49
What would you maybe say then to
14:50
somebody who's a little bit older?
14:52
Because, you know, for a lot of folks
14:54
listening, maybe 30 is still very young
14:57
to them. But you have this itch and this
14:59
urge to get in the game at 40, like
15:02
maybe late 40s, 50s. You want to get in
15:04
and somebody will tell you exactly what
15:06
you heard earlier. You know, I don't
15:08
think you're ready. Maybe you're too
15:09
old. Ain't you close to retirement?
15:11
Whatever people may want to say to you,
15:12
but you feel it in your spirit. What
15:14
would you say to maybe an older
15:16
generation?
15:17
Man, they said that same thing to Morgan
15:18
Freeman, same thing to Sam Jackson, same
15:20
thing to so many folks throughout this
15:22
industry. It goes back to that thing
15:24
about giving somebody else your power. I
15:27
don't care what your age is, right?
15:29
You're still living, you still got life
15:31
to live, you still got something to
15:32
prove, you still got passion. Like that
15:35
is it's it's all about how you define
15:38
it. And I really believe that Heather B
15:39
and so many people feel like okay, well
15:41
this is, you know,
15:43
a young person's game. If I haven't been
15:44
successful by a particular age, by a
15:46
particular moment, nah. It ain't about
15:49
that. Redefine it. You define it. Unless
15:51
you like, you know, trying to play for
15:53
the NFL, NBA, like there, okay, 30 and
15:55
you're done. You need to figure out
15:56
something else. You want to go tend
15:58
somewhere. But everybody else, almost
16:00
every other industry, it is still a real
16:03
opportunity out there. So, I think what
16:06
it goes back to Heather B is like people
16:08
allowing other folks to define success
16:11
for you, and you can't do that. You
16:14
don't give anybody else that
16:15
opportunity. You define it for yourself.
16:17
I don't care where you're at in the
16:18
spectrum. You listen to this right now,
16:20
you know what I mean, 45, 50, whatever
16:22
it is, and you're feeling like I still
16:24
got a story to tell, right? Or I still
16:26
got another career I want to try, you
16:28
actually are in an amazing position to
16:30
do it cuz you've lived some life, you've
16:32
got some experience, you're going to
16:33
navigate it better than somebody in
16:35
their 20s, frankly, cuz you know you
16:37
better.
16:38
Mhm.
16:39
I like that, man. Come on.
16:41
Right. Right.
16:41
So, I'm still So, Will, what you're
16:43
saying if I really still want to be a
16:44
runway model, it's up to me. I got to
16:47
define that, right?
16:49
And God didn't give you like four more
16:51
feet. Oh, come on.
16:53
Shouldn't you should tell Will about
16:55
your big belly crew?
16:57
Yeah, what about that you spoke of?
16:59
What happened to the belly bangers?
17:00
Uh-oh, I got to hear about this.
17:02
Come on, Will. Belly gang, baby. Belly
17:04
gang.
17:04
Okay.
17:05
It's dudes with bellies, man. It's it's
17:07
a movement happening, Will. Dudes with
17:09
bellies. I think there's a a short
17:11
series out of this, dudes with bellies.
17:13
Come on. Nobody's ever touched that
17:15
subject.
17:16
I'm I'm I'm in. I'm in.
17:19
I
17:19
belly before season 3. We about to
17:21
unleash this belly on them in season 3
17:24
of Bigger Tristan. I need you in on
17:26
this.
17:26
Right. It's called Bigger.
17:28
It's called Bigger. It's already there.
17:30
Come on man.
17:32
Come on man. Come on. This Bigger I'm
17:35
going to keep repeating it. Season 1 was
17:37
incredible. I'm looking forward to going
17:39
through season 2.
17:40
Amazing work. BET plus BET I hope they
17:44
really putting a a big push behind this.
17:46
A really good marketing campaign cuz I
17:48
think it's so timely to what we're
17:50
seeing happening now. You mentioned
17:51
30-year-old angst. After this pandemic
17:54
you thinking a lot of folks that sitting
17:56
there on the edge, you know, biting
17:58
their fingernails.
18:00
So watching watching this will help you
18:02
work through it. It's a whole lot of
18:04
dynamics in the stories as well. I'm
18:06
going to let DB ask the final question.
18:08
I know he's been on hold. DB go for it.
18:11
Yeah, while I have you both here Will
18:13
and Tristan,
18:14
you know, the the recent Oscars
18:16
The opinions about it are are are all
18:18
over the place. I mean some people were
18:19
happy to see the change in the in the
18:21
format. Some people were happy to see,
18:23
you know, the artwork leaning a little
18:24
towards more diversity and inclusion.
18:27
Some people felt even the change up of
18:28
the order of the awards given out was
18:30
was a little great. And then some people
18:31
felt differently. But I just wanted to
18:33
to ask both of you guys if if you feel
18:36
like there's ever going to be an
18:37
honestly fair award ceremony. Not just
18:40
the Oscars, but I mean, you know,
18:41
whether it's the Golden Globes, the
18:42
Emmys, Tonys
18:44
because it's not like when you're when
18:45
you're giving a sports award where the
18:47
person who scores the most points or the
18:49
person who wins the race is the obvious
18:51
winner. It's really all about the
18:53
opinions of the people who
18:55
are on these voting panels and who they
18:57
felt is the more deserving person. So I
18:59
just want to get your opinion on how did
19:01
you feel about this recent Oscars in in
19:03
comparison to the way it's been in the
19:05
past?
19:08
Tristan, you want to take that first,
19:09
dude?
19:10
Yeah, um, so I I watched the Oscars and
19:14
I had some opinions about it. I did feel
19:16
a way that they that they put the they
19:20
put the uh the best picture category
19:22
before like best best actress and best
19:26
actor and it was poised seem like it was
19:29
positioned in a way that it seemed like
19:30
they was going to give it to to our man.
19:33
They was going to give it to Chadwick
19:35
and everybody felt like that was going
19:37
to happen and then when it didn't go
19:38
that way
19:40
you know, it left a sour taste in our
19:41
mouths. Like I was on Twitter, I'm live
19:43
tweeting the Oscars cuz that's what I
19:44
do, it's fun. Um, and I just saw the
19:47
tweets pour in. Everybody was upset and
19:50
disappointed. So, to answer your
19:51
question though about if I feel like
19:53
there's ever going to be like a fair
19:55
um, award ceremony for for acting and
19:58
for film and television.
20:00
Um,
20:02
I in the I
20:03
I don't know if it's going to I don't
20:05
what because what's fair? Because these
20:06
are all based on opinion. Like you said,
20:08
it's not like sports where you can say,
20:10
"Okay, this person scored the most
20:11
touchdowns. This person scored the most
20:13
three-pointers. This person had the best
20:15
dunk." Like it's This is all based on
20:17
opinion and we know the performances. We
20:19
know the performance that Chadwick gave
20:21
in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. We know
20:23
that he killed that and that was one of
20:24
the most touching things I've ever seen
20:26
from him. Like I know in my heart what
20:28
that felt like. So, I don't know if
20:31
these award ceremonies are ever going to
20:33
give us that, but I know in my heart
20:35
when I see a powerful and moving
20:37
performance and what that means to me
20:39
and how that changes my life and that
20:41
how that changes how that informs how
20:43
I'm going to behave as a performer. So,
20:44
I'm not sure.
20:46
Okay.
20:47
That's that's that's fair, Tristan. I
20:49
mean, really. And I think we were all,
20:50
you know, disappointed about Chad when I
20:52
I was I was happy obviously about Daniel
20:55
Kaluuya and about, you know, Ma Rainey's
20:57
Black Bottom and some of the awards they
20:58
won. Soul got some stuff and, you know,
21:00
there were there were some good folks
21:02
that I know within the industry who were
21:03
recognized. I was happy about that.
21:05
Here's the key, DB. It's about the
21:08
organization that's putting on the
21:09
awards. And in this case, it's the
21:10
Academy. And until we have more diverse
21:13
perspectives in the Academy, then you're
21:15
not going to see the result of that in
21:18
the award ceremonies. And that's just
21:19
the reality cuz the folks that are
21:20
choosing, they're not, you know, they're
21:22
not people that are watching. They're
21:23
not your everyday folks that are saying,
21:25
"Oh, I like this performance. I like
21:26
that." They're people that have their
21:27
own specific perspective. And too many
21:30
of them are old white men, frankly,
21:32
right? And so, until we get folks that
21:34
have a different perspective in there,
21:37
and and we're starting to do that. It is
21:38
happening. There are a lot of us that
21:40
are working behind the scenes. I'm a
21:41
member of the Academy, and there's some
21:42
folks doing some good work to make sure
21:43
that we've got more diverse perspectives
21:46
and more representation in the Academy.
21:48
So, it's happening. You're seeing it.
21:50
You're seeing it change, but it's slow.
21:52
It's slow because we're up against, you
21:54
know, decades of this industry and this
21:57
Academy not representing us enough. So,
21:59
it's going to take some time, but I am
22:02
I'm emboldened and I'm hopeful about
22:04
what I have seen and about the folks
22:05
that are in the Academy and the
22:06
different perspective and about some of
22:08
the folks that were celebrated, you
22:09
know, this year. So, it will take some
22:11
time, but I mean, I'll be honest with
22:14
you. I don't know that folks that aren't
22:15
in the industry. Tristan and I are in
22:16
the industry. So, we know these people
22:18
that were getting nominated and getting
22:19
awarded. I don't know that the regular
22:21
average person was all that excited
22:24
about the Oscars. I just think that's
22:25
just, you know, the way it is and it has
22:27
been like that for a while. It feels
22:28
like something that is not, you know,
22:31
tapping into the everyday life of most
22:33
folks, you know, in in the country,
22:35
honestly. And I think that's too bad. It
22:37
feels elitist. It feels something that
22:39
is is, you know, inside baseball, right?
22:42
And I think we need to do more to
22:43
embrace
22:44
the general public with these types of
22:46
award ceremonies and not just make it
22:48
about, you know, fancy folks in
22:49
Hollywood and in in ballgowns and
22:51
dresses and suits on red carpets, you
22:53
know, what I mean? Make it something
22:54
that's a little bit more for the people.
22:55
That would be my idea.
22:56
Okay. I like that. Tristan J. Winger,
22:58
thank you. Will Packer, next time you
23:00
get your Oscar tickets, can since you're
23:02
not going can I use them?
23:04
Ha ha ha ha ha.
23:05
You got it bro. You got it. You promised
23:07
me you rocking the big belly outfit. You
23:09
going to rock that
23:10
cuz you got the ticket.
23:12
Hey man it comes with the package Will.
23:14
Comes with the package. Listen.
23:16
Once again Will Packer thank you. Thank
23:19
you for always blessing our airwaves and
23:21
and staying connected. We always said we
23:23
going to stay connected and we've been
23:24
doing it. And so I want to thank you
23:26
man. Congratulations. Bigger Truly is
23:28
and I'm not just saying this citizen cuz
23:30
he's on the line.
23:31
It's a excellent series. Go back and
23:34
watch season one.
23:36
And then watch season two. Okay. Trust
23:39
me. It's a good time from the first
23:41
episode from the pilot episode. Was
23:43
banking. That you right the ensemble of
23:45
actors are incredible. They're all
23:48
natural dealing with the what do you
23:50
call that when you talk to the camera
23:51
the fourth wall is that what it's
23:53
called?
23:53
the fourth wall. Yeah you break the
23:54
fourth wall.
23:55
Yeah.
23:56
And
23:57
they do that ex it's so excellent how
23:59
you done that
24:01
and congratulations to Tristan J.
24:03
Winger. Come on I know who you are man.
24:05
I know your past brother.
24:07
Okay.
24:09
Okay you already know man. Y'all watch
24:11
Bigger on BET Plus. Fellas have a
24:14
beautiful day okay.
24:16
We love you family. Appreciate y'all.
24:17
Stay blessed always.
24:18
Love you too man.
24:19
Stay blessed.
24:20
Absolutely. We got Celebrity Wire coming
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up next.
24:23
Yeah man and somebody was trying to
24:26
impersonate a celebrity and got in
24:29
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