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T.I., Joseph Sikora, Terrence J & Deon Taylor Talk New Psychological Horror Film 'FEAR'
Jan 28, 2023
A year into living through a worldwide pandemic, a group of friends gathered in the remote Tahoe Mountains to stay at the "Historic Strawberry Lodge". Deon Taylor's FEAR features some of the biggest names in the industry in T.I., Joseph Sikora and Terrence J to name a few. They stopped by Sway In The Morning on their press run to let us know what to expect from this psychological horror film.
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T.I., Joseph Sikora, Terrence J & Deon Taylor Talk New Psychological Horror Film 'FEAR'
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well y'all right there is a trailer I
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got a chance to watch Heather B and
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Tracy G and I really I was watching it
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because anytime my friends are in a
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project I always support right you know
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sometimes I support friends who are in
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projects that I wouldn't support if my
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friends weren't any that you do that a
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lot actually I do that a lot right uh
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because the project doesn't measure up
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to how I measure my friendship and the
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talent with some of these people so
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behind this uh project uh people I
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consider good friends of Mines the
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director producer and screenwriter
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himself the one and only Deon Taylor
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Tracy G I know you want to introduce
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this next guest because you love them so
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much so go ahead absolutely we were just
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talking about the different people who
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influence you in your careers and so I
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definitely got to say to your face
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Terence day one of the greatest voices
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of the millennial generation is here
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with us today okay
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but I'm talking about the one right here
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that you watch all the time and that you
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seem to be fascinated with the one and
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only Joseph Sakura is here as well right
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now
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for me that was for me
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that was special the way she came okay
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all right yo Joseph welcome back to the
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show man it's also great to see you man
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hey man we see each other in the clubs
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we see each other at work yes sir always
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great to see you my brother right here
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for so many reasons so many layers every
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time he comes yeah I celebrate
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celebrating him to me uh who who he is
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what he stands for and how he represents
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himself in public is phenomenal and I
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think he's a prime example of somebody
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who constantly evolves every single day
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I just recently seen him give some
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incredible advice to Shannon sharp and I
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said that's what my brother does the one
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and only T.I is back on it hey I didn't
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even know he was talking about me
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I thought I throw a little loophole you
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know man but you Shannon sharp obviously
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had a moment where he he went off on the
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basketball court
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um at a at a 10 Tennessee game and you
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would you talk to him about hey man it's
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okay that's what we all do man yeah I
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had the same conversation with Will
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Smith really yeah yeah I did but I mean
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but man I feel like I'm kind of like the
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poster child for like [ __ ] up yeah
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you you know what I'm saying so you got
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something yeah man if you guys
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yeah you can't [ __ ] up the words to me
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man come on man it's gonna be okay bro
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yeah but we we walk on eggshells in this
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business right you know man you know
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until you went gone and [ __ ] up get it
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out the way then you can be you can be
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at ease you know every time I've had
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like a bad press cycle something bad
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happened I had the conversation with him
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too will be the first one I got I was
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like at the end of the call I was like
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man I was really feeling down why did
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you call me he was like I like to bet on
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the stocks when they low
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and it worked right it was yeah Joseph
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you ever have a moment like you you had
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a bad media cycle oh yeah I feel like I
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have it all the time in fact I had like
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a really weird question that was
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proposed to me on the red carpet black
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carpet for fear and I paused the
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interview and I'm like Dion Dion come
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here come here come here answer this
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question for me yeah yeah so it's like
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it's like you know you you do the best
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you can and it's all it is it is a it is
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it interesting there's they're
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tumultuous Waters to Wade through yeah
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it is right I like to tell people man
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like you know I I I operate under the
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policy man Every Storm Runs Out of Rain
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you know what I'm saying no matter how
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bad it seems this too shall pass you
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just got to you you just got to wait
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through it you know what I'm saying uh
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and and nobody should be you know nobody
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should be really like point fingers at
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everybody because everybody to be honest
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with you everybody's just one video away
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yeah bro everybody one video away when
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that even one bad decision one decision
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that probably was made before you even
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was in a position that you were in right
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now it just happens to the surface yeah
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you know what I'm saying so can't nobody
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really stand in in in in criticism when
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nobody else at that point except make
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anything sound deep right every toilet
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runs out of flushes
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we were having this conversation I'm
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gonna flip it during this conversation
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Heather uh recently just found out about
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a great opportunity that she's receiving
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from a decision she made early in her
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career to do real world but it was a
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decision she didn't want to make right
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initially only because
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um back in 1992
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um is when the concept of real world
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came about an MTV I'm a rapper I just
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got a record deal and my managers at the
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time like oh they're gonna shoot a
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documentary I was like that don't sound
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like no money what is this I'm gonna
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live in a house with six other people
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and you're gonna give me 200 a week this
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doesn't make any sense I pass
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she's like no I think it would be good
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they're going to follow you around it's
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never been done before you and move into
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a loft in New York
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I was like they gonna feed me she was
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like yeah
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and I'll get just kept going and having
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conversations just blowing it off
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blowing it off and finally they called
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and was like join this cast of people
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move into this house the next day that
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show aired the air that night the next
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morning my life changed it's been 31
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years later wow 31 years and there's a
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whole genre of Television based on yeah
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as a documentary this was never a
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category you know what I mean they said
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it was a documentary we're going to
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follow seven artists around 720 year
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olds in New York City like that's what
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the whole concept was about he's still
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getting fat off the fruit of
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she almost said no to um right I'm
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curious if any of you all had that
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Crossroad I'm gonna start with you
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Terence j a decision you almost said no
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to but you said yeah now you still
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reaping the benefits
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um yeah it happens all the time you know
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there's always things you question roles
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that you you know are on the fence about
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like even this for me was a leap right
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Dion called me and he's like I want you
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to play a character unlike anything
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you've ever done and I don't want to
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give away too much of it but you know
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you're going to be kind of the bad guy
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in it and you have this this Persona of
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you know being a nice guy you're the
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friendly guy I want you to completely
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change that and just be dark right and
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so that was a challenge for me you know
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and and so it's all about saying yes to
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the right things and making those
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decisions and I'm happy uh that I let go
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of fear to do this movie Fear
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um because I got to work with some
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incredible people and I think we made
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something really special I love that tip
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what about you I let go of fair to do
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this movie this dude is the ultimate
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promoter right there
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what about you man ah I mean bro
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there's I mean I I don't know about
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saying no to but I'mma got fired off of
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ATL like after the second day of
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shooting
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maybe the third day the first week
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definitely man you know I was just
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getting so much money and and I couldn't
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show up on time and you know I was high
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smoking pulling up you know I just
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wasn't a good leader as the as number
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one on the call sheet I just wasn't
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being a good leader and and uh Chris
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Robinson
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uh pulled me to the side talk to me and
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Charlie Mac
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uh they was like yo bro
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they gonna fire you dude and I was like
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so and then um Chris was like nah she
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look bro you a first time at the and you
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got a star and role in a film and a
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major
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movie studio people and and then Charlie
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Mac went on and said yeah man it will
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put his reputation on the line for you
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to get this road and uh and then you
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know uh Cruz went on to say and I'm a
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first time director you got other actors
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like we need you if you shut this if you
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if you get fired they're gonna shut this
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the whole production down we need you I
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was like well damn she put it like that
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you know and you know I I felt the
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different sense of responsibility I felt
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you know I actually felt like you know
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the captain of a team at that point and
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you know I'm saying that that film went
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on to become you know
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that's a great story what about you
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Joseph I say yes to everything
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I mean I I don't even know what to say
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no I mean I said yes to this uh straight
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away I say I say yes I will and I gave
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that advice to actors young actors all
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the time it's like say yes until you can
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say no so I'm just starting to say no
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like yesterday maybe
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um I'm trying to think are they I was
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told I couldn't do Ozark and and uh
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because they said oh it's kind of
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there's it's a gray area in your
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contract and blah blah blah blah blah
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and so I called the boss and 50 said he
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said go do it I'll take care of it and I
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was like thank God for fifth with that
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because that made a big difference
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um uh so it's great to have people that
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believe in you in your corner Dion
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Taylor is definitely that person my
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brother Terence J is the same it's been
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an incredible getting to know T.I
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because as he says about uh ATL I mean
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at first when that came out because I'm
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just a little older than than tip and
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when it came I was like hating on
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everybody who was younger than me like
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this this you know big rappers coming up
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and I'm like that's my [ __ ] man I
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actually [ __ ] this and but then but then
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you watch when you then you but then I'm
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just being honest with you but then you
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watch then you I watched it and it was
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beautifully nuanced performance he
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poured his heart into there you can't
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hate on it it was great and then
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subsequently all his other roles I think
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that this role of Lou without giving
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anything away to the movie he allows
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himself to be vulnerable which I haven't
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seen on TI and I think that that's
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another milestone for him in his acting
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and and you know I'm a fan and it's
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really great when you get to meet your
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your you know people that you admire and
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they're good people but Heather B you
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are a huge influencer oh my God that
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real world performance I didn't know
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like I did some of those people were
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performing I got nothing against anybody
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but you came off as so real the kid from
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Chicago like I was always fascinated
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with New York I couldn't wait to get
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here and you made it real to me and then
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you're stuck with bdp was so great yeah
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holds your own on a microphone and it
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was just like man it's just like you
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were inspiring to me like for a
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multi-faceted artist is how you came
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across and how generous you were with
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your life so grateful flowers flowers
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a little bit right I'm from a certain
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place in my life we don't want cameras
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in our life not coming and watching me
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and in my house and I don't know what
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y'all talking about this sounds crazy
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fear not realizing the bigger picture at
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all and I had a conversation shout out
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to Kenny Parker KRS one's brother who
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said to me go be yourself it ain't they
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can't they can't edit that be you that's
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who you and that was it works talking to
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people that don't have feel or try to
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put their fear on it changed it was a
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game changer for me we got to put her in
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a sequel with that
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[Music]
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thank you but yeah it's being around
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people that don't have fear either okay
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I love that pour into you is dope so
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shout out to Kenny Parker DB is in the
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background he's actually a member of the
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critics critics Association
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my question actually is for Dion Because
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I remember when we had him on probably
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like one of the first Zoom interviews we
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did when you were doing fatal with uh
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Tyron and Michael Ealy time and Turner
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and uh so my question is about when you
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get people on your set and you write
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these roles and let's say specifically
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with these three gentlemen T.I comes
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from another world that people look at
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him as a legend but now he's earned his
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you know accolades in the acting world
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you know Joseph you've done everything
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from playing a falsely accused shooter
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to now you know being known for power
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and then Terence people probably look at
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you in the same way they look at sway as
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like you know the media guy the host the
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red carpet guy you know what I mean when
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you get them on your set what is it that
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you do to kind of get people or or write
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something so it's like they don't look
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at T.I and C rapper they don't look at
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him and see Power they don't look at him
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and think e
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yeah I mean that's a great question um I
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think stylistically it's it's what I
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it's who I am it's the DNA of who I am
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as a as a writer director
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um this is not new
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um it's the same exact format with um
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the Intruder by putting Dennis Quaid
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opposite Michael Ealy as a villain
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um taking uh Tyrese and putting them
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opposite Naomi Harris
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um this is this is kind of like
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stylistically what I make
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um and I love it so what I look for when
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I'm doing my projects is to see if I
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could actually find people that could
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play against type I'm very interested in
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that because I believe that the way that
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we could get in is by having them
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because they're already creative artists
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so it is natural for tip to be in front
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of a camera Joe Tara just what they do
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anyway but can they challenge themselves
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on screen and become something different
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we was flying here last night I was
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telling Terence that he has to figure
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out another role that actually is not
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him again yeah you know what I mean
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because if if you study this art and
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this craft and me being an independent
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self-taught filmmaker I had to learn how
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to do this and it took me years and
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years to understand where to put a
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camera how to speak to actors and what
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you're looking for so I love the
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grittiness of a TI planned against type
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because
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tip reminds me of so we're so naturally
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talented Tyrese is the same way Ice Cube
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is the same way you just turn the camera
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on and they light it up but how do you
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make them not be them in movies right
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you have to find a vulnerability but
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also they have to also have the ability
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to want to be vulnerable so when we talk
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about fear and we talk about all of
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their characters everyone at this table
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is not themselves in the movie at all
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and we've heard it now for the last two
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weeks on the road with everyone watching
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the film were like damn man you was I
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said that's exactly how it's designed
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but that's the energy that I try to put
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every time we make a film
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um
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come on Tracy go ahead give it to him
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well to kind of flip this conversation
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about fear upside down I'm wondering if
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there are times when fear is actually
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necessary because thinking about this
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modern day era where a lot of people
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might do some type of joke on Tick Tock
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and a screen can give an illusion of
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immunity you know what I mean where
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you're making really bold impulsive
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decisions because you feel like you're
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protected
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and there isn't enough fear for
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consequences I think that's concern I
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mean like caution you know what I'm
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saying okay I feel there's a difference
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in fear and caution you should
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definitely be cautious and aware of your
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actions before you engage I I'm just a
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firm believer in fears is for the Lord
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fears for God you know what I'm saying
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and I think that but don't get me wrong
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that don't mean it won't present itself
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you know uh but but you get courage
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after you do
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just stuff to scare the [ __ ] at you you
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know not before just because the fear
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presents itself you still have to have
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that awareness and that Faith to go and
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get out there and do whatever it is and
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get to the other side of it and now you
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Brave you know what I'm saying but
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bravery don't just come cheap yeah man
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that's good yeah I would also add that
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um I think fear paralyzes us that's why
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the movie is that's why we made the film
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right like every people are living in
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fear right now so the exact polar
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opposite of what you're saying is what
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we were just talking about earlier
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scared of old video that you made a long
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time ago yeah right scared the divorce
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scared to get married scared to leave
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that job you know what I mean scared to
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to write that script scared to write
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that song like we just constantly live
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in fear and the reality of it is if you
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continue living like that and you keep
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manifesting fear you'll keep becoming a
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prisoner of it so the idea in this film
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is to explore the the mindset and the
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mentality and the subconscious of What
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Fear does so whatever it is you're
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manifesting becomes your reality yeah so
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if you're sitting there you're going oh
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I don't want to be in this marriage
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but I'm afraid because I'm gonna lose
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this or that or I'm he gonna feel this
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way well guess what you're living in
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fear yeah and all you're going to do is
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keep living in fear forever so you have
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to face that fear head on and be like
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I'm out of this you know what I mean at
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some point so the movie kind of deals
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with that in a really cool way and uh I
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think it's the first of its kind in
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terms of how we play with it and the
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psychology of what it means and uh it's
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just a really cool movie that's wrapped
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in a horror film a very very elevated
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horror film let's go well you see
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Terence J on the trailer I promise you
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the first scene yeah man it's crazy
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because I never heard that voice yeah I
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never heard your voice that you used in
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whatever line you were delivering that's
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what made me when y'all walked in and
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said the trailer's dope because I'm
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hearing y'all I heard tip I ain't heard
18:07
these voices come out of these men right
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so yeah um as as actors so I know this
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role was extremely challenging for you
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but when the last time you felt fear
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though
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so I feel fear when I do interviews
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which is kind of an anomaly because I I
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because you do interviews with people
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yeah but when I'm on the other side I'm
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like man I know that anytime I do a
18:28
press cycle I could say something that
18:30
could you know lose a deal lose your
18:32
career like every single time right man
18:37
I always so I always goes out yeah
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but but you're Terrence J that's crazy I
18:45
know it's crazy that's crazy but even
18:47
think about that yeah yeah I can I can
18:49
jump on stage and host something with a
18:52
thousand people and not even think twice
18:53
about it but when I have to get
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interviewed I'm always very you know
18:57
cautious on what comes out of my mouth
18:59
but you know back to what you were
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saying about this this role
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um and it kind of goes back to what T.I
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was saying at a at a young age you're
19:06
still kind of face it now right when
19:08
you're making a lot of money when you're
19:09
successful stepping outside of your box
19:11
sometimes is a challenge right and when
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Dion called me to do this
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um you know you read the script herbs
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and I'm like this isn't one of the roles
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I can just phone in right I can't yeah
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yeah it's like you know there's going to
19:33
be blood on you you gotta scream You
19:35
Gotta Get Physical you you know you're
19:37
rolling on the ground there's all types
19:39
of you know things happening right and
19:41
it's like this isn't I could just pull
19:43
up and you know talk to a girl in the
19:46
movie and do a scene you know it's a
19:47
completely different thing so stepping
19:49
outside of your comfort zone I think is
19:51
what what leads to Greatness working
19:54
with incredibly talented individuals
19:56
what leads to Greatness yeah and uh I
19:58
just can't wait for people to see this
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film for so many different reasons but
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you know one thing Dion said he was like
20:04
people are gonna see you in a completely
20:05
different light after this movie and uh
20:08
I think you will absolutely Terrence J
20:11
he's Perfect by the way for promotion
20:13
sport he brings it back around and make
20:16
it all make sense uh we got a few people
20:18
on the phone lines if you want to talk
20:19
with them Joseph sikoras here TI is here
20:22
Terence J is here Dion Taylor's here
20:24
here
20:26
888-742-3345 let's go to Maryland
20:27
D'Angelo go ahead what up there
20:29
what's what's up what's up what's the
20:31
road warrior what's up sway got a road
20:33
warrior up in here what's good what's
20:36
good okay complain can't complain look
20:38
you want to stay massages to all you
20:40
Brothers big fans man big fans thank you
20:43
this question is for this this question
20:45
for tip I want to know for the when your
20:47
role uh for an American Gangster you
20:50
know you got to get into this Rose yeah
20:52
how is it to play a son of Heather's
20:55
husband in that movie common oh [ __ ]
21:00
[Laughter]
21:15
I mean to be honest man that was that
21:18
was a that was a phenomenal of a
21:21
phenomenal learning uh experience for me
21:23
as an actor and uh so many people on
21:26
that set you know just knowingly and
21:29
unknowingly pouring into into me and and
21:32
contributed to my Evolution
21:35
um it was and I just I was still shocked
21:37
because I had done only done one movie
21:40
when I got the call you know ATL my
21:43
first move and then like
21:45
you know they called me probably a month
21:48
after ATL had dropped and asked you know
21:50
about doing American Gangster I was like
21:52
hell yeah y'all sure
21:56
but but like you know you got uh DW
21:59
Russell Crowe uh you got common you know
22:04
what I'm saying
22:06
Ruby D and true intelligence you know
22:10
you got so many for nothing me you know
22:12
like God damn what the [ __ ]
22:15
but but but you know
22:18
it just made me step my game up so much
22:22
more and take acting so much more
22:24
seriously and it prepared me for every
22:26
other role that came after that I think
22:28
directly after that uh was prison and
22:32
then uh I I actually that was that was a
22:35
joke oh that was like well I didn't see
22:38
that movie
22:40
I went to prison directly after that
22:50
takers I think takers was another one
22:52
that was directly after American
22:55
Gangster but I I I'm just happy to be
22:57
here still yeah telling stories uh and
23:00
speaking to our people there you go man
23:02
hey uh D'Angelo thank thanks thanks for
23:04
your call brother you're a citizen all
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right
23:08
you already know um the 27th Friday
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January 27th the movie is called fear
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this Friday this Friday this Friday the
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movie is called Fair they got a Dream
23:20
Team citizens it's a dream team that
23:23
they assemble for this movie and it's
23:25
people you've supported already so this
23:27
is an easy one for you to support uh
23:30
anything else you want to say about this
23:31
movie Dion oh man I would just say that
23:33
what we really love about the film right
23:36
now is that we all made the movie
23:37
together yes um when you say that y'all
23:40
invested in the movie or yeah so so a
23:42
lot of people oh [ __ ] man yeah
23:43
producers investors so that's why you
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call yeah
23:48
that's right
23:53
this is how we make our steak in
23:56
Hollywood right this is so this is what
23:58
I've been doing for 17 years okay you
24:01
know we own the biggest independent film
24:03
production company in Hollywood me and
24:05
my wife and that's my partner and she
24:07
produces all the films so everything
24:09
from the Intruder to Fatale with Hilary
24:12
Swank and Michael Ealy to meet the
24:13
blacks to black and blue Supremacy those
24:16
are our films we own those so we make
24:19
them with our own money and we
24:21
distribute those so this movie is no
24:23
different the only thing not just that
24:25
it these are not vanity credits these
24:28
are not these are actual profit
24:30
participation that Dion is allowing us
24:33
to do so very very simple math if a film
24:36
costs uh one million dollars yeah he's
24:39
allowing you know me to put a hundred
24:41
him to put 100 him to put 100 so that
24:43
we're actually building into the budget
24:45
so that if the film makes 10 million 20
24:48
whatever we actually have a seat a real
24:51
real seat and nobody nobody else in
24:55
Hollywood does that right yeah and also
24:58
but I would just say it's not even about
25:00
the money either that's what I was just
25:01
about to say he allowing us to learn
25:02
yeah yeah so we can go and replicate
25:05
this model on our own like like Terence
25:08
just did he just shot his own movie uh
25:10
directed by Megan Good allowed
25:15
Megan the director okay you know what
25:18
I'm saying uh and and we're going to
25:20
continue to collaborate together you
25:23
know absolutely it allowed me to to take
25:25
my role as a producer on the power show
25:28
seriously and understand Roxanne was so
25:30
generous and a million dollar budget is
25:32
way easier to break down than like we
25:34
have 21 million uh 400 000 and this is I
25:37
was like oh wow it's like a maths
25:38
problem and how much you have to spend
25:40
on cast and crew what needs to be uh put
25:44
away just in case for this and then
25:46
where that money will get redistributed
25:47
back within the production at this point
25:49
in the production time so Roxanne was
25:51
incredibly uh uh didactic and accessible
25:55
and one time for today
26:00
so it's really great and it really
26:02
helped me on the power show understand
26:04
okay because we have a rain day here
26:06
this scene needs to be moved to here and
26:08
have me be able to help make those
26:11
decisions and Dion and I get to work on
26:13
the power show together too so um you
26:14
know I'm really grateful for that so he
26:16
did the he did the uh finale of season
26:18
one and
26:20
hey man I'm just incredibly thankful and
26:23
you know they're gracious that you you
26:25
know allowed us the opportunity to
26:26
participate in a model that not only
26:29
that you've you know I guess created but
26:31
but now you've kind of mastered it and
26:33
not only are you using it to benefit you
26:36
and your wife and your family but you're
26:38
extending the opportunity you know to to
26:41
take us under your tutelage
26:47
this is this is this is actually you
26:49
know a whole nother conversation because
26:51
at the end of the day IP is what we want
26:55
and what we need to own so the reality
26:57
is all these great movies all these
26:59
great TV shows that we talk about that
27:01
we binge watch that we download that we
27:04
talk about as Classics we don't own them
27:06
so at the end of the day these Studios
27:09
and these other producers that are
27:10
actually creating these things they own
27:12
those IPS so you get somewhere like a
27:15
mark Berg who's a friend of mine that
27:16
owns the saw franchise who's made a
27:19
billion dollars off of one horror movie
27:20
somebody owns Friday the 13th somebody
27:23
owns Nightmare on Elm Street somebody
27:25
owns Friday that's a prime example right
27:28
yeah so what ends up happening is could
27:31
you imagine if Cube was able to own that
27:33
outright yeah right so you're talking
27:35
about multiples and multiples of
27:37
billions of dollars so what I and going
27:40
back to your no question I would just
27:42
flip that to myself because it wasn't
27:44
the fact that I was able to say no to
27:46
something or say yes to it the way that
27:49
I got here with this company was because
27:51
no one actually asked me would I
27:54
participate in Hollywood so I had to
27:56
actually tell myself yes and go create
27:58
my own film and do it from the ground up
28:01
and make this thing become you know 100
28:03
200 million dollar company just by
28:05
ourselves but that's what this is man so
28:08
now if we could build it like this where
28:10
people are screaming black excellence
28:11
and nobody really doing the work you
28:14
know what I mean so it's like no this is
28:16
the work this is the IP so when you get
28:17
ready to go see fear on Friday it's a
28:21
big deal right not only are we out there
28:23
independently we're out there competing
28:25
with the studios at the same level the
28:26
trailers marketing commercial NBA spots
28:29
everything you see we're doing right
28:31
here just understand these guys own that
28:34
movie you are directly contributing to
28:36
more TI fly ass cardigans
28:41
[Music]
28:48
encouraging Cardigans back right now boy
28:50
come on look at him wrapped up that's my
28:52
brother right there another thing is but
28:55
you know people always say man tip when
28:56
you gonna get back in movies when I'ma
28:58
see you again on the big screen and I
28:59
mean I love I love to act I love
29:02
storytelling I love the opportunity but
29:04
I got I'm I'm not feeling to keep
29:07
sitting down and waiting on like you
29:09
know a middle-aged white man to see me
29:12
for a room you know what I'm saying and
29:14
the road
29:15
for I don't see myself in
29:19
and you know because I think you know
29:21
you kind of have to be of the culture to
29:23
understand what people mean to the
29:25
culture and I'm I was so tired of
29:28
sitting across the table from people who
29:30
don't look like us trying to beg them to
29:32
tell our stories to our people and you
29:35
know uh I remember me in DC me and DC
29:38
Young Fly we we partnered to do um to do
29:41
something and we were going in and
29:43
pitching and whatnot and we just can't
29:45
we kept sitting across you know just you
29:48
know from from white people and they
29:50
tell well I don't know if the community
29:56
I think you know are we the experts you
30:00
know and you know that [ __ ] just get
30:01
frustrating so when I got the call to
30:03
work alongside you know so many other
30:06
talented uh uh uh and capable actors
30:10
uh alongside somebody who I feel like
30:13
understands the culture and what the
30:14
culture needs uh in the height of the
30:17
pandemic there wasn't no other films in
30:19
production we were the first first thing
30:21
we made yeah he made Independence so
30:24
y'all did the whole covet uh
30:27
protocol this is when there were no CDC
30:31
definitive guidelines in America they
30:34
had they had the beginnings of that Dion
30:36
and Roxanne made those up they went to
30:38
the unions the DGA the PGA the set
30:40
Screen Actors Guild and the Screen
30:41
Actors guilt they all of those unions
30:43
signed off on it and they said yeah just
30:45
ask our members and then you can go make
30:46
a movie I love that when Dion initially
30:48
told me the story he goes I asked the
30:50
CDC is like can we make a movie and they
30:52
said I I don't know
30:55
yeah so you gotta remember we're
30:57
shooting this movie at a time when we're
30:58
watching CNN and it's nine ten thousand
31:01
deaths a day
31:02
so we're in the we're in that moment
31:04
right where nothing's happening with it
31:07
um
31:09
yeah that was right so yeah that was
31:11
right yeah so the idea was we were like
31:13
can we go up to Tahoe where there's only
31:15
one or two cases and cannot get people
31:17
to just come into this one Lodge and we
31:20
grab a camera we just shoot this we just
31:22
happened to be hunted you know that's
31:24
how we did it we shot it in 15 days I
31:27
was averaging I think 60 to 80 setups a
31:30
day
31:30
we knew exactly what we wanted a lot of
31:33
these guys had to be visually impaired
31:35
because they had to understand where I
31:37
was going to position things that would
31:39
be VFX wise and that's what he was
31:41
talking about which is you know these
31:43
incredible scenes that are in the movie
31:44
of horror where they're acting against
31:47
something that's not there and um this
31:50
took me you know another year to
31:51
actually take the film after we shot it
31:53
to actually just go live with it and
31:55
actually make it come together so when
31:58
you see the finished product what I love
32:00
about the film now is every frame of the
32:03
movie you actually see the actors in
32:05
fear because we would say cut and I
32:08
remember Ruby Modine and and Annie
32:11
people would walk away and say man you
32:13
think we got infected because we were
32:14
super close that time it was that moment
32:16
so when I watched the film I was like yo
32:18
so the movie plays on all of those fears
32:21
that we were going through and remember
32:23
this is now everybody's cool and tough
32:25
about covet but there was a moment where
32:28
you know if you sneezed yeah
32:35
before we let these brothers go we were
32:37
having a conversation
32:39
um about the Oscar nominations and
32:41
Heather was going off and we were just
32:43
talking about those who were nominated
32:45
and those who weren't DP actually let's
32:47
ask the panel what they think about this
32:49
yeah I mean the question is pretty
32:50
simple really it's just
32:52
the argument that if you don't support
32:54
the films and the and the artists and
32:56
the actors and the crews and everybody
32:57
that's involved in these films and
32:59
television series then it's hard to be
33:01
upset when you don't see them get
33:03
nominated you know what I mean it's it's
33:04
I made the reference of like you know
33:06
you can't complain about politics if you
33:08
don't vote for who you want office
33:09
that's right so it's the same Truth for
33:11
Hollywood like if you don't support
33:12
these films in series and animated
33:14
shorts documentaries whatever then don't
33:16
be surprised if you don't see them up
33:18
for awards that's absolutely right
33:21
um but I think I think outside of just
33:23
supporting
33:24
the academy and and and you know all of
33:27
the categories have to actually support
33:29
as well the one thing that I think is
33:31
interesting is that we're very tired of
33:34
is that the politics of one black person
33:38
got this so now you can go over here and
33:40
do that like this morning we woke up and
33:42
we know Angela Bassett and Viola Davis
33:44
should have been nominated come on so
33:47
don't don't you know what yes
33:52
so Ryan Ryan actually did does qualify
33:55
for a nomination on the Rihanna song
34:02
like like people would be people would
34:04
be shocked to find out Antoine fuqua's
34:06
never been nominated for really right so
34:08
think about training day right what I'm
34:10
saying is we got to get out of oh yeah
34:12
we'll do this and this but not this
34:14
because everybody else gets all of it so
34:16
this morning like I said man I thought
34:19
that um and we really rooted for Viola
34:21
Davis man we went to war for her for
34:23
that movie The Woman came that was
34:25
incredible for her to step into a world
34:27
Like Gladiator as a black woman yeah and
34:29
and shout out to Nicole Brown over at
34:32
TriStar who has actually had to go fight
34:35
to find extra money outside of the
34:37
studio with Viola to even make that
34:39
movie so at the end of the day it's like
34:42
man yeah I mean yeah we just got to get
34:44
to a place man where we're accepted for
34:47
who we are and color is not in the way
34:49
of performances I think right I think
34:51
another thing is and this is just me
34:53
personally speaking I'm just tired of
34:56
seeking validation
34:58
exactly yeah they clearly they clearly
35:01
either aren't qualified or aren't
35:04
interested in celebrating our people so
35:08
you know [ __ ] them
35:23
in particular you can fill in the blank
35:26
with whoever whoever it is we need to
35:28
put the same weight and emphasis when
35:30
the NAACP image Awards when abff even
35:34
the BET Awards like I I'm just all about
35:37
supporting us right so when we have our
35:39
own shows we have our own Awards the
35:41
awards that we're building out we got to
35:42
put the same weight in our community
35:44
that they put on theirs and that's the
35:46
bottom line right is that we got to stop
35:48
seeking the validation from other people
35:50
to tell us that our [ __ ] is hot we know
35:52
our [ __ ] is hot right and the more we do
35:54
that the more we have our own validation
35:57
from what we do then they're going to
35:58
follow right so it's it's I just think
36:01
we got to stop worrying about what other
36:02
people say about us and build ours yeah
36:04
we also but we also need us to support
36:08
us as well in the industry and I'm
36:09
talking about the awards now because at
36:12
the end of the day
36:13
we are also uh in a position where we
36:16
constantly are celebrating the same
36:18
people over and over again and not
36:21
allowing new talent to be broken so as
36:23
you look at the marketplace right now
36:24
you're like all right if you had to look
36:26
right now you tell me who the next Jamie
36:28
Foxx or Denzel Washington is right now
36:30
you can't name nobody because Hollywood
36:35
Hollywood's not breaking new stars but
36:38
at the same time we talk about the the
36:40
the award side of of things it's like
36:43
you can look at Brandon Frazier in a
36:45
movie like the whale right who
36:46
everyone's going crazy over small
36:48
independent movie really really great
36:50
incredible performance but at the same
36:53
time when's the last time we have found
36:55
any of the words you just named that's
36:57
ours found young independent
36:59
performances and awarded that in a very
37:02
real way look at look at what we're
37:04
doing this is a great example we've been
37:06
doing this for 15 years we got close to
37:08
200 million dollars in independent box
37:10
office receipts we've never been
37:12
nominated for independent Spirit award
37:13
how could that be yeah a MTV scream
37:17
Award right I think Supremacy was one of
37:19
the best movies oh my God not not one of
37:22
the best independent movies it was just
37:24
one of the best movies yeah you know
37:26
what I'm saying thank you for that uh
37:27
yeah right now I mean
37:29
um and to see the range to see Dion do a
37:32
movie like meet the blacks because that
37:34
way I met I met
37:38
meet the blacks because he had he had uh
37:41
my old lady in the third one Tamika was
37:43
in the first meet the blacks she was
37:45
great and that was her in real life that
37:48
she was acting it out
37:51
shout out to tiny man uh but but but
37:56
from that to to like fatal Supremacy uh
38:02
black and blue like you know that's
38:04
that's range you know what I'm saying uh
38:06
and that's that [ __ ] deserves some
38:08
acknowledgment and some consideration
38:09
absolutely I like the model you setting
38:12
up uh the business model you setting up
38:14
for this movie Fear which is in theaters
38:17
this Friday out into Terence J point I
38:20
think we have to set that mentality up
38:21
in everything we do yeah like uh the
38:24
seeking out validations Heather's gonna
38:26
always be mad at the Academy because you
38:28
know what I mean rightfully so so I'm a
38:31
firm believer in that gentlemen I want
38:33
to thank y'all for coming by today thank
38:35
you thank you man hey and this this this
38:38
interview happened because uh Terrence J
38:41
and Dion uh said to me on the group text
38:46
land we were like hey man we trying to
38:48
get on swing in the morning I can't get
38:49
nobody I said man I'm a cow I'm a cow
38:52
bro and I I sure did and I said hey man
38:55
we're trying to get on here
38:56
he'll come the [ __ ] out
39:02
so shout out to you bro
39:09
hey I appreciate y'all y'all always have
39:12
been a supporter not just in the culture
39:14
but of me and my family you know what
39:16
I'm saying uh uh primarilies I I really
39:19
I appreciate it because you know I still
39:20
thought sway was mad at me because I
39:22
beat him in basketball
39:26
I didn't know if he was
39:38
no I love y'all and uh I can't wait to
39:41
see that the screen I'm going to the
39:42
screening tomorrow tomorrow night man
39:44
please come please come see us soon
39:47
have it up loud IMAX come watch the film
39:50
I'm coming Terence J give him a big
39:52
round of applause man Dion Taylor Joseph
39:55
Sakura I gotta get this one just one
39:57
baby little quick thing just just to
39:59
give love to casely right now
40:02
and just as a reminder to keep that
40:04
presence and that love and memory alive
40:13
[Music]
40:16
this is one of the coolest uh uh just
40:19
just formally trained thespians yeah
40:22
I've had an opportunity yeah I
40:25
appreciate it I appreciate your your
40:27
energy as well man and he dropped the
40:29
boys in the hood line I caught that
40:32
yeah
40:32
all right hey gentlemen congratulations
40:34
we will support
40:36
um thick and thin okay so we're gonna be
40:38
pushing people to go to the theaters
40:39
Friday support your own what other
40:41
movies should you be watching other than
40:43
fair if you're going to watch more than
40:45
one movie then go for it but the only
40:47
movie you should be watching this
40:49
weekend is fear
40:51
you know all right you know unless you
40:55
scared and then you should face your
40:57
fears because you know truly this is a
41:00
message to folks face your fears right
41:01
deal with your fears overcome your fears
41:04
okay uh we want to thank Lyfe Jennings
41:06
for coming in today give him a big round
41:08
of applause until you're gone Chuck D
41:11
will be here tomorrow yo hold up well I
41:14
got y'all here what's up
41:16
you turn the music down a question you
41:19
would want to know from Chuck D ask him
41:20
a question what did he think of the
41:22
Elvis movie
41:24
oh [ __ ]
41:28
yeah
41:29
okay that's it and you know why because
41:32
it also has it's a hip-hop soundtrack
41:34
inside of the movie and now it's being
41:36
nominated
41:37
it for best picture that's an
41:40
interesting that's a very and and what's
41:43
crazy about the Elvis uh pictures uh
41:45
what's the girl Doja cat yes she would
41:47
she actually was up to uh be nominated
41:50
for best song but because it wasn't
41:52
original they used Elvis's sample of the
41:55
hound dog they knocked her out of the
41:59
um the academy running but what's
42:01
interesting is I believe there's a
42:03
publishing conversation between hound
42:05
dog and Elvis with a black writer yeah
42:07
Elvis and write that that's exactly
42:09
right I can't think of the writers I
42:12
know he was a hero the most but but he
42:13
never gave
42:23
that's the question chuck all right I'd
42:26
also like to know what it would take for
42:27
him Flay Griffin Public Enemy to get
42:30
back together and do a reunion album
42:32
tour song feature at least the show
42:36
that was from T.I uh Dion Taylor man
42:41
that's from everybody we need we you
42:42
know why because
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tomorrow's not promised and at the end
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of the day man like I think whatever I
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don't know we don't know you know what I
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mean but
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what they meant to us
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um it would be really dope man to just
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see that
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collectively yeah give themselves that
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you know I mean especially when you just
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think about the world we're in like you
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know most recently you know shouts out
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to Coach K and quavo in that group yeah
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but when you understand like
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how fast life happens here we are blog
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sites doing all that in this young kid
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dies we like damn that's the last time
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we get to see that yeah you know what I
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mean so I just feel like yeah man that
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would be a really great question for him
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it's like man what could we do to just
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get them together one time yeah you know
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what I mean we ain't even got to study
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for an interview
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all right congratulations give these
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guys a big round of applies Dion Terence
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T.I Joseph thank you so much for coming
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by today we'll be back tomorrow y'all
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stay on the right side of positivity
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Heather B I know you headed to Urban
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view all right you can hit her up at the
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happy hour at whb uh catcher on Tamron
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Hall what day you gonna be airing Friday
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Friday all right T.I she took a lot of
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advice you gave and now her e-commerce
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platform is selling out everything yeah
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yeah absolutely did I started a vegan
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lip line called Billy talk fight for
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female entrepreneurs and um it's just
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been amazing thank you for the
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conversation and thank you to um Vinnie
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from
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guys who I spoke to that gave me the
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words that I needed again pouring into
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me minus that fear and that's right man
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thank you
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okay Tracy G how can they reach you
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citizens Twitter Instagram it's Tracy g
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i t s t r a c y g okay Tracy G to do my
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uh my voicemail yes on my phone which
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introduce me
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they gotta talk to her okay there you go
44:43
man all right you can follow these guys
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on their social they're famous so it's
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easy to dig uh torch how can they reach
44:49
you I'm at torch until next torch
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i-n-g-t-o-n stream that street sermons
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right now torture mc2 everybody on my
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team multi-faceted DB you heard in
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Critics Choice he's gonna vote for your
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film body I wish you appreciate that man
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thank you thank you thank you and if you
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don't like it don't say nothing
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you can find me everywhere at this
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really DB all right cool I'm out real
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sway across the board once again still
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on the right side of positivity and we
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have nothing
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left to say
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