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[Applause]
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Jesse let's get straight to it damn it
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let's go straight to it man when I when
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I listen to this album and it started
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off with mood right I'll be honest I
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wasn't the first song I listened to the
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first song I listened to was mutual
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friend oh word you just want to show I
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went straight to it okay you know uh I
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know I'm listening to albums backwards
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to frontwards and then frontwards to
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back really yeah no way why you know
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it's I think I've been in the I've been
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listening to music so long I had to
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create a and I know it pisses people off
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because you built your sequence yeah but
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I just at this point whatever right
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whatever yeah yeah and so uh that
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particular song hadn't made so much
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noise and I saw many you know likes and
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followers you had on it like your fans
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were gravitating towards that I said
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well let me open and open that box and
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see what it was
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and then I heard it and I always found
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um with your music and this is why I
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think
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your music appeals to me I may have even
0:59
said this to you before but being you
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know grown ass man from Oakland
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California and I've seen a whole lot of
1:05
stuff the way you translate your
1:07
feelings to words
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I can identify with so when I'm
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listening to these songs and you're
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saying things like you know your karma
1:16
is the fact that you still love me
1:20
how dope is that that's Poetic Justice
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to me that's how it translates to me
1:27
somebody who messed you over and then
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find out that they want to come back
1:31
through a mutual friend and then now
1:34
you're not there no more because you've
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been burnt so much you just little pile
1:38
of ashes and Flames that Karma got you
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what happened what happened what
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motivated this song
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yeah man just that energy of someone
1:50
trying to double back and it was very
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[ __ ]
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yeah man and then it's very literal it's
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funny because I did another interview
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and someone was like what does it mean
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is it figurative like what inspired and
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I was like it's no it's literal like
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this is exactly what happened you know
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my homie hit me up and tried to tell me
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all these things and I was like I'm not
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trying to hear that and um but it wasn't
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the healthiest space now that I am a few
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uh a few like you know some space away
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from when it happened and then the song
2:21
I realized that sleeping so nicely with
2:23
Hayden my heart is probably not the
2:25
healthiest thing so I'm working to let
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it go more but I also know that
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sometimes you need that cathartic like
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[ __ ] you man and then you know I slowly
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you feel a little better but release it
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yeah and the closest step to like let
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sometimes you just gotta go through the
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through the steps and anger is one of
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them you know yes anger is one of them
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identify yeah and to detach
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I've been taking inventory
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I read something out or maybe I saw it
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on your Instagram I've been taking
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inventory on my mental space yes sir
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right and checking in with those voices
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in your head yeah yeah all of them all
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of y'all's gonna say like how many you
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got I got maybe three how many you got
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and there it are bleachers
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is nice because they're all down to talk
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to a therapist so you know okay at least
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yeah at least they're working through it
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so but how many voices you really like
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you know this man don't you like I feel
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like every every facet of my personality
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has its own day of driving the whip you
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know so when anger wants to drive that's
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a grassy you know when when the boss
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wants to drive that's pressy
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it helps to give them names yeah yo it
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helps so yes he is yes he is
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all-encompassing
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but yes it's the closest thing to me I
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guess you know because that's what
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that's what my my family calls me if
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it's quick you know what I'm saying if
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someone's like in passing not someone's
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reading but like yes when my ex used to
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call me it's just it felt more intimate
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so I was like my good one not the piece
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of [ __ ] but
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let's be clear you can have a good ex
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yes and that's what I learned too I
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didn't know about that I learned that in
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uh in growing as a person you got a good
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how many bad accents you got compared to
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good X's you only got one good x no know
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I got two two good access two good X's
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cause the X's to exit was it the X's or
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um the last one the good one was was
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like who initiated yeah
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technically the last person was them but
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I don't fault them because I just wasn't
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um healed yet and I had been putting up
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walls for a long time and I had a hard
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time like just silly [ __ ] I had a hard
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time saying I love you I had a hard time
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being vulnerable because I was still
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damaged from the one before that and I
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got so comfortable in his patience that
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I didn't make it as much of a priority
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to be focused on partnership and I was
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so so lacking in self-love and so
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lacking in making just just you know
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being there for myself in the years
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before that now that I was making this
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transition into like mental health I
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went to the complete other side of the
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spectrum it was like me me Legacy
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therapy yoga me this this and I just
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forgot about partnership and forgot that
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I was like oh wait you got someone here
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that's like trying to be down for you
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and trying to wait and trying to be like
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you know not nurse me because it's not
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like you know what I mean but just be
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there and supportive and I just I think
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I took his patience for granted and I
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didn't make it a priority and then at
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one point he got tired and I couldn't
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fault him for it but it definitely
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triggered me into making it more of a
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priority for me to learn to take the
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walls down look what therapy can do you
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broke that town so beautiful like I'm
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looking at you like I need to talk to
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you about my relationships
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[Laughter]
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I [ __ ] up but it's a partnership part
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yeah wow
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it happens
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yeah I'm curious than just you know how
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many artists will speak about their
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music being their therapy you know but
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you said that when sway brought up
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mutual friends how you still are working
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through the anger through the detaching
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so speak on how much music helps as a
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healing tool and then how much it does
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it and the other things you have to do
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to supplement sure so how much it helps
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is is sometimes when you're creating
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it's like you know autopilot so
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subconscious takes over and the energy
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in the room takes over and then when
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you're done the song and you come back
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to you know your normal state of mind
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and you look at the page sometimes the
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page is acts like a like a mirror better
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than the one you see in front of you you
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know like an emotional mirror for [ __ ]
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that was hiding in the back but all of a
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sudden it kind of got a second to come
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to the Forefront and then the way that
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it doesn't help is that sometimes if
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you're still too connected
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is like picking a scab if it hurts still
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like when you're performing the song
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yeah but then at the same time there's
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something beautiful to be said for like
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when you get to a certain level of
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success and then people are singing Back
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the songs yeah it's this weird magical
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yeah Alchemy esque [ __ ] up dichotomy
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of like
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hurting pain whatever and my eyes shut
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because sometimes I just gotta shut my
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eyes to like to be able to go inside and
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do it and then and then
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hearing the manifestations of like my
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childhood dreams in front of me
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literally like screaming at the same
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time and and it's just like
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it's the difference is so Stark and so
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drastic and so dramatic that you're kind
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of floored at how great God is to put
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you with such pain and then with such
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Joy you know it's crazy it's crazy what
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you thinking HP I see your mind working
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over there I'm thinking how looking at
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Jesse I need that cookie I was looking
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for it
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outside Summertime with that stomach
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baby listen I've been making sacrifices
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like
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beautiful way from the inside yeah you
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know what I mean and so I'm just here to
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just love you and hug you guys
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888-742-3345 yes this forever right here
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know which one we
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powerful song
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the state of music is excellent right
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now this project yes he is out is
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touching cords so much honesty in your
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music I don't feel like you make songs
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to aim at hits
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at all but they become hits because
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they're so authentic
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um you definitely have a great fortitude
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about yourself now how you take care of
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yourself is important you put making
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yourself a priority if you don't mind
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can you talk about
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um we was you mentioned off Mike about
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numerology yeah can you speak on that uh
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a little I can speak uh with the little
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knowledge that I have okay um how it's
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helped you perhaps
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um
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it helps in it's kind of like feng shui
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for life but with numbers and math
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um and so I found out that I'm an 11 and
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I just hated like lean lean into the
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number more often for example yes these
9:46
11 songs
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you know little things like that yeah
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and what's the significance of 11. well
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that's a little dismal 11 they say is is
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the Wounded healer that's the title and
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I was like oh that's funny it feels very
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fitting for the career that I'm in the
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wounded healer the wounded healer you
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know it was great for everybody sucks
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for me but great for everybody around me
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great for everybody who knows me you
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know but I've been working on the mirror
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so so you're a wounded person that can
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heal others who are wounded so so the
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title says so the title that's what the
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title implies right yeah or your wounds
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heal others and I think ultimately
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you'll be able to heal your own wounds
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when you read it from backwards from the
10:28
last word to the first yeah yeah which
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is what I'm trying to do yeah what I'm
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doing when you when you when you mention
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numerology how do people usually react
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to that sometimes it's the same
10:38
reactions that people have for astrology
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you know sometimes there's Believers in
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the room and sometimes there's like
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whatever it's it's it reaches who it
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needs to you know the same way
10:49
religion's not for everybody the same
10:51
way Spirits not for everybody meditation
10:52
is not for everybody so it reaches you
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when you need it
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damn it I should have been born in
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Canada man
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[Laughter]
11:00
the hell is going on man
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why are you more mature to me now
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don't worry man I take a whiskey and I
11:08
regress okay
11:09
so what was it like having
11:12
um do you how close are you in Drake how
11:14
friendly are Drake are you he's dope man
11:16
he looks out shows love there's all
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teams lit to be honest like his whole
11:20
team just always shows love it's a very
11:22
it's a very uh
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it's Hometown love yeah he doesn't have
11:27
to go out you don't have to go out
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either but I believe it was your
11:31
listening party was yeah and I was like
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yo that's so dope So Dope right right
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just the support what is that Canada
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culture like now Canadian culture so
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many people have had so much success is
11:42
it always that supportive um
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um Toronto Toronto okay Toronto's been
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experiencing Renaissance and it's just
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uh
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I think everyone everyone who's old
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enough to have known the ceiling years
12:03
ago has this like extra layer of
12:06
appreciation for what's happening right
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now you know by default like like kids
12:10
of immigrants will be like [ __ ] oh my
12:12
God this is beautiful you know and then
12:13
the next Generation just won't
12:15
understand
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or be as appreciative you know so maybe
12:18
that's that that might happen in the
12:20
future who knows but right now I just
12:22
feel like everyone is very aware of like
12:25
how sick the energy is in the city right
12:27
now it's amazing it is we haven't been a
12:31
TDOT since a minute like we went for NBA
12:33
All-Star weekend that was cold last
12:35
weekend yeah
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it's freezing that's crazy it was out
12:40
but we had an excellent time yes we did
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um I feel like a lot of people didn't
12:44
come back after that they were like this
12:46
is how cold it is y'all didn't come back
12:49
since we read that wrong that was a
12:52
freak that was a freak weekend
12:54
nobody believed you Jesse it's just cold
12:58
in Canada
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we don't believe you you need more
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people
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because you guys just have a
13:11
one-of-a-kind Sisterhood I love her and
13:13
I feel like you guys help each other not
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just like career-wise but personally as
13:17
well I love her I'd be asking her what
13:19
titles of books are I'd be like you know
13:22
it's just love she's so you know this
13:24
industry like sometimes people learn as
13:26
as friendly off camera aren't as like
13:28
you know yeah and it's not you can't
13:30
even fault people for it because it's
13:31
just a business you know I'm not mad
13:32
people some people are politicians
13:34
whatever but man she's just like she's
13:37
she from the first time we ever met she
13:40
just went above and beyond to like be
13:41
there for me and I was a stranger at
13:43
that point but I had crazy social
13:44
anxiety Wicked social anxiety and I had
13:47
a tendency to like disappear at parties
13:49
for like an hour at a time and just be
13:50
in the bathroom stall like waiting for
13:52
the wave to pass yeah and we were at an
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industry party yes yeah it's so sweet so
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I was locked yeah so she all know this
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story and she pulled up and was like
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yeah all right and I was like yeah she
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saw you in the stall I don't know the
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story she knocked on the door and then
14:08
like pulled up and was like what the
14:09
hell's wrong like you all right and I
14:10
was like nah and I explained I was like
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I just go through it sometimes when
14:13
there's so much energy in the room like
14:14
I get too sensitive and overwhelmed or
14:16
whatever she was like you'll be all
14:17
right because then at that point she had
14:19
more time in the industry than me like
14:20
this is this is a long time ago the shoe
14:22
is already moving and I was just getting
14:23
started so it was just it was
14:26
Sisterhood Vibes you know from jump from
14:28
day one that's beautiful it really set
14:29
the tone for a relationship but she's
14:31
great and the same thing to be said like
14:33
her whole team is lit you know everyone
14:35
everyone always shows love it's it's
14:38
like even her friends are lit because
14:40
she'd be rolling with a lot of homies
14:41
too everyone still where is she from I'm
14:43
curious oh you know where she's okay
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[Music]
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I couldn't even set her up with that one
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damn Jesse trying to let the land right
14:57
it was a great story to hold on no man
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you have the answers
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give her a round of applause
15:07
for that one yes yes
15:12
we love you Jesse for real we absolutely
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love you
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um so many songs uh still see you
15:21
now your girlfriend is my enemy
15:24
yo you off the chains
15:29
no your new girl if I got a new enemy
15:32
you got a new girlfriend I got a new
15:34
enemy it's not the girl's fault it's not
15:38
it's not that's the toxic side but I
15:41
have to be honest you know yeah I have
15:42
to be honest about the toxicity okay and
15:45
then at the time that's how I felt okay
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um still see you
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that's a banger I see a therapist
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therapist
15:54
um
15:54
adios some more I want to end with that
15:56
song you did it primarily in Spanish
15:58
right yes yes that's beautiful have you
16:00
ever done a Spanish Pride all
16:02
Spanish-speaking project not yet not yet
16:05
it takes me a little longer to write in
16:06
Spanish because I didn't study in
16:07
Spanish so my the way I speak is very
16:10
it's fluent it's my first language but
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it's colloquialisms so it's difficult to
16:13
go into like detail and poetry I do it
16:16
but it just takes me a little longer and
16:17
then on top of that
16:19
my parents are gang but I don't want to
16:21
hit them all the time to be like is this
16:22
right because sometimes I'm doing that
16:24
you know what I mean but that's not the
16:25
easiest to do when the sun's a little
16:27
sexual yeah how you gonna ask your dad a
16:30
question no can't so I just I don't do
16:32
it as often but I'd love to do it one
16:34
day if it's meant to be it'll be you
16:36
know yeah but it just takes me a little
16:37
longer but I know someone I did with um
16:39
Andres
16:40
um and this guy named uh John City Music
16:43
was mad sick too they were they were
16:45
dope and then it was one of those songs
16:48
where like
16:50
shout out to the producers shout out to
16:51
Tim so we had a lot of patience with me
16:53
because this time around I approached
16:55
things like
16:57
if I wasn't if I didn't love it from
16:59
like my [ __ ] core I was like scratch
17:01
the production we gotta start we gotta
17:03
start again and build it up again and
17:04
like V10 it's not it v15 it's not it you
17:08
know what I mean and it takes a lot of
17:09
patience to be able to ride with someone
17:10
like that but I remember the day because
17:12
the song I knew it was there but it just
17:14
we just couldn't Crack the Code yet and
17:16
I walk into the studio at Tim's spot and
17:19
I could hear the [ __ ]
17:23
in the back and I was like what is this
17:25
and it was just it finally felt like
17:27
just the resonance hit and my whole body
17:29
was like a tears here and then that's
17:31
the version that we went with so damn
17:33
man man listen I want to thank you for
17:35
coming by thank you absolutely sorry for
17:38
my uh tardiness you never have to
17:41
apologize
17:42
you never have to apologize you made it
17:45
I made it there you go that's what's
17:48
important you are here yeah we got a
17:50
chance to do this again yeah and we'll
17:52
do it again God is good yeah
17:54
all right Jesse Reyes y'all
17:58
oh
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