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okay here we go another episode of
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bridge business man it's the most talked
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about in the game right now with big
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horse and myself
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big horse what up what's up what's up
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welcome to bridge business dunya
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okay man we got the champ with us right
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now man light heavyweight
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champion being in multiple divisions
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i've watched this man career from the
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beginning from his first fight
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i've always been fascinated by his
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vernacular
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the man could be a poet i'm surprised
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he's not an emcee
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the one and only antonio magic man
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tarver
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hey welcome to british business thanks
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for having me
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thank you appreciate it hey man oh it's
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all love man first and foremost
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um thank you for joining us i watch you
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a lot
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i watch you i like to watch the
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interviews you do hey but
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before we get in the boxer man i just
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thought about it dude your
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your binocular is really dope man i
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don't know anybody in black america
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that didn't grow up trying at least
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wrote at least one rap in their life man
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you never tried rapping
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you know what sway is crazy man when i
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write i rhyme
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but i can't put a rap together to save
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my life man
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and you actually tried did you have
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patrons never really i've never really
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tried but i always find
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if you look on my even my comments on my
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social media
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for some reason they always rhyme but i
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never really sat down
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and said let me put the pen to the paper
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and see what i can do
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you might be shocked
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hey hey and tony you know big horse was
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on the uchiwali
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track with knives man the uchiwali
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joints oh
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i didn't know that i didn't know that
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that was dope that was a hell of a track
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right there
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thank you thank you you might have to
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take him in the studio
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uh he got word so i know he got bars put
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the words together we could make some
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magic right
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that's it all about that magic baby you
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know that
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all right so i want to jump into this
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man um i just want to talk to you for no
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reason in particular but every reason
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under the sun
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you know what i mean and one of the
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things i like to hear about is people
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beginnings
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you know did you you came up in florida
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florida yeah orlando florida that's why
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i'm the magic man from the magic city
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baby you know what i mean
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we had shaquille o'neal doing his thing
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back then penny hardaway
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you know what i'm saying so you know i
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was born and raised orlando so you know
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that was just a a second thought for me
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to be the magic man because i
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had planned on making them all disappear
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and i think i did that
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i was always wondering where you got
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that name magic man from glad you
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cleared that up real
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fast i thought it was so with your hands
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like you be like man
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one time you see it then you know that
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too
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hey did you used to fight as when you
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were growing up like i'm trying to find
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out what made you get into boxing
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um as opposed to any other sport because
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you're a really tall dude so
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you could have went into basketball
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football or whatever it was
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were you fighting on the streets growing
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up or you started in the gym
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most definitely i mean i used to go to
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this boys and girls club and the boys
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and girls club will
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will uh house all the nate local
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neighborhoods you know
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so i had my little click a lot of people
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had their little click but that's how i
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really got into boxing because
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i couldn't stay out of trouble with the
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boys and girls club they say man
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you got to do some with this energy next
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time you get in a fight we're going to
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put you on these gloves
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nobody told me you can hit to the body
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so i'm covering up my head
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and this joker went down low on me man i
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i never forget that punch but that's
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when it started
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and i got up and that was the thing i
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got up and i didn't quit
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but they knew early on that i had a gift
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i knew early on i had a gift
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but sometimes life takes you on these
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meandering roads
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and i had to go on that meandering road
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until i saw roy jones one day
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sitting in the living room man in the
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1988 olympics
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and he got robbed for the gold medal and
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that that light bulb went off and it
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never went out
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you know i remember running three miles
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that day
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and i never looked back um that's crazy
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right
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hey that's crazy because you know what
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because ever since you got knocked out
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by that body shot it seemed like you
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learned from that because you ain't
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never went down since
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yeah well you know i had a couple flash
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knocked down but most of my knockdown
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wasn't legitimate
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exactly never touched that's all i think
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wait a minute what do you mean yeah in
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the hopkins fight they say i got knocked
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down
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and in the chad dawson fight and they
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say i got knocked down but the glove
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never touched
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is what the the video show so zipped it
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a little bit tipped it a little bit
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magic man come over
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here a little bit come on now but you
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know what i didn't complain about it
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because i couldn't change it no way so
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you know what i mean
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okay all right so when you when i look
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at those fights
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um bernard hopkins and chad dawson
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you know they're two different totally
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different kind of fighters man you don't
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fault the best bro glenn johnson
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chad dawg roy jones all of these amazing
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names you don't fought
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i want to know from you like the
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difference in their styles coming from
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an
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expert and then who gave you the most
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difficulty
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okay well these guys are all seasoned
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pros you know they they know the game
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like the back of the hand so you have to
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prepare differently you know everybody
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physically strong
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but i think what separates fighters is
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what's between their ears
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and i think that's why i'll always be
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the most underrated because they never
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really they never really dialed in on
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what made me a great fighter you know
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what i mean
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it was my ears it wasn't what you saw on
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the teller the tape
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my reach you know uh height it was none
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of that
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it was my thinking problems how i
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dissected these guys
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how i uploaded and downloaded all the
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information to the fighters i was facing
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and i had enough heart to just lay it on
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the line you know when it came down to
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being tough
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gritty i don't think you know i don't
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think my
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tenacity was matched it doesn't mean
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that i didn't have off nights or you
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know maybe i didn't
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prepare it like i should have and it
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kind of brought the
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you know the needle a little closer but
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you know
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in those fights and it's funny you
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mentioned chad dawson and bernard
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hopkins those are the only two guys i
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lost to
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in my whole entire career you know and
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uh if it all ended and i never step in
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the ring again i mean i had a hell of a
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career man
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and uh you know the rematches i think
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really
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gave me an opportunity to show the world
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who was the best fighter
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and when you fight in a rematch you got
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both fighters knowing what
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happened the first time so they're gonna
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put their best foot forward in the
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rematch
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they always do and then there's only one
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fight i didn't get a rematch for that
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was bernard hopkins and to this day
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that's avoided that's a real bitter pill
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to swallow because i believe
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on a good day a day that i felt like we
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were
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the table was the table was was fair
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i think you know that would have been a
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great fight but i just say when you look
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at
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common opponents and that's how you can
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always dissect a fight by common
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opponents
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i just don't think hopkins dominate me
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the way he did
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that night i've never been out class in
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a boxing match
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rather amateur pro and for some reason
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that night i was out class
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just don't happen in boxing man so you
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know
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hey magic man when you fought hopkins i
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felt he was the only person that
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actually
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had a strategy against you so he punks
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and grabbed punks and grabbed and i felt
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that he kept doing that every like the
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whole fight
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and it was something that you really
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couldn't adjust to it's something that
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you was like you was trying to use your
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reach but he said he
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stayed in so close that you really
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couldn't use your reach what far with
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your jab
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but i felt that he really frustrated you
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by holding you and then doing a little
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sneaky punches being the ring veteran
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that he was
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so i felt that was probably the hardest
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fight you really had to adjust
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and especially you know coming back from
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my ball getting that big check you put
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your head probably wasn't really in
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there
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in the fight would be hot i mean we can
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say that
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we can say that but you know in boxing's
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you know it's a lot of times things that
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are going on that you have no idea about
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you know what i mean
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i mean it's still the only sport that's
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not regulated
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you feel me we don't have nothing set up
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for us it's not no
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you know it's not like basketball
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football baseball there's no guarantees
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you understand if you lose you go back
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to the end of the line
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and you know the people that are
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controlling these fighters or managing
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these fighters and promoting these
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fighters
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they got everything to lose you see what
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i'm saying so you know
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i know what i did to the game when i
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knocked roy jones out
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i turned the game up on his axes i
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turned it over flipped it over
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but when you look back at it roy jones
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beat me in the ring to make millions of
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dollars when i
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knocked him out i had to sit ringside
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and watch him fight glenn johnson
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you feel me you know there was no call
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for that in fact
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i think you have to blame the commission
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because roy jones didn't even get a 90
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day suspension
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when you get knocked out they sit you
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down for 90 days or more
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but that didn't happen and i think that
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contributed more to roy jones getting
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knocked out
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the second time he didn't let his body
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rest he didn't recover
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you feel me the man beat me back in the
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ring he was two months and a half
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from getting knocked out by me he was in
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the ring fighting glenn johnson hey
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magic man so you think that's because he
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promoted his own fights at that time
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because he had body head entertainment
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at that time and he promoted his own
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fights
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you know what i shook the game up so
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much they just didn't want to go in
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another direction they didn't have no
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plan
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for antonio tarver but they had dates
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for roy jones jr
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so when i knocked roy jones jr out he
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didn't lose none of his dates
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he kept his dates that's why he was able
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to fill that slot with glenn johnson
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he was actually trying to win the title
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to come back to the negotiating table
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to try to dominate me again but it
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didn't work out that way
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so you know that's what it was it was
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all about going to get that title that
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was out there
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trying to avoid facing me again
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magic man in the state of florida i got
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to bring this up in the state of florida
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is this just you and roy it seemed like
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it was like you wanted to be the king of
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florida
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he wanted to be the king of florida so
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to be the king of florida they had to
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fight each other it seemed like y'all
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had this uh
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outsider you know beef that went on for
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you know behind the scenes for years
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is that true somewhat but it wasn't
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really behind the scenes you know roy
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jones and i fought as
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amateurs here in florida at the sunshine
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state games in 82 we were 13 years old
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13 so you know he beat me by a close
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decision
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and i'll never forget that fight because
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when i saw him in
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in the soul career games in 88
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i knew that we were i was on the same
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level with roy i knew that in my heart
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that because of that first fight
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that we had at 13 i knew that i had the
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ability the skills
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and everything it took you see what i'm
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saying because when i saw him his whole
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career
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that that solidified it and when i made
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it up in my mind that i was
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going to get that gold medal that eluded
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him in seoul career
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that was it i knew where i was going and
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then it was only
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right before 95 roy moved up the light
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heavyweight
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so i'm like well i'm 178 pounds i'm not
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going up i'm going down to 175
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and i say there's a chance he could be
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in my way it's a chance he could be
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there when i get there
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and i got 11 other fighters that can
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tell you
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you can ask any of my olympic teammates
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and this was in 96
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see when you can't force people to see
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through your eyes
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you can't force nobody to see through
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your eyes
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and they just couldn't see what i saw
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and i wasn't trying to convince nobody
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because it wasn't my position to do that
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i just want to step in that ring and
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show everybody what it was and i think i
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did that the first time
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i definitely did that the second time
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and i did that the third time
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you see what i'm saying so i'm not
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saying roy jones wasn't
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all those things that everybody made him
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out to be he was that
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he just beat me he just couldn't beat me
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man and that was just
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the bottom line when i hear you talk
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antonio it makes me think of um and you
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could correct me if my context is wrong
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but when i look at a boxer like you
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who is a top tier elite boxer fighting
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other top tier elite boxers
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but not getting the same opportunities
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as some of the other boxers
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it reminds me of the music business
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because you got a lot of
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dope artists a lot of great artists who
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got great skills
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but they don't have the best team and so
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they're struggling just to make ends
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meet while you're seeing all these
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just this elite group of people making
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all the money
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what is it like for a boxer who has
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those skills but doesn't have that team
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year after year after year trying to get
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that fight and get that back
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like what is that like
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man i had that team you understand me i
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had that team
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man alhamdulillah was my manager early
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on
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my career bro i had that vernon forest
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god bless
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today
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and because of that relationship that me
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and vernon had
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i kind of went in that direction and
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then you saw
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after i knocked roy jones out everybody
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wanted to come to us you see what i'm
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saying
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everybody say they don't know what al
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haymon looked like right he's a mystery
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and he the ghost well go look at any one
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of my fights
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he's right there second row left of the
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camera center
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bryce skin got with a beard that's al
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heyman you're seeing that my
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fights ringside because we had that type
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of relationship
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i don't know what happened sway i told a
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man i wanted to win the head
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i was gonna win the heavyweight title
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and everything stopped bro
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when you say what do you mean it stopped
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he stopped working you guys start
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working together or
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the relationship stopped the
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relationship died for whatever reason
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you know and i and and i couldn't get no
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work i couldn't get no action every it
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seemed like to me
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everybody in the boxing business blocked
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me because everybody know
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i have no problem fighting but when you
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when you put a man in that ring you
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ain't got no control sway
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you see what i'm saying you can't
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control the outcome
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and they know when they put me in that
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ring it's a chance
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that that outcome gonna be flipped so i
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was too dangerous
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and i'm 52 years old now and you don't
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see no they won't call my name today
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so i didn't get a chance to prove my
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greatness
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totally totally i didn't chew i didn't
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get a chance or
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opportunity to prove my greatness when i
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knocked out jonathan banks
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i should have got a heavyweight title
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shot bro
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but man you know it was like you know
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nobody
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could see my vision or no they saw my
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vision but they didn't want me to to
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achieve my vision
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because if i win the heavyweight title
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suede there's no more doubts
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you feel me there's no more doubts i you
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know i prove everything i want to prove
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that i'm one of the best fighters ever
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stepped in the ring bruh
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from amateur to pro yeah but i'll never
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get my flowers until i'm dead and gone
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they're not gonna give me my flowers
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bruh
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and it's cool i'm cool with that but the
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people know
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the real ones know so that's why you
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that's so you so
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since uh al haymon wasn't promoting your
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fights i felt like
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you started going really hard you
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started calling yourself the people
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champs the people know what they want
15:51
the people started doing that
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and i felt like you is that a a piece of
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page that you took from an ali like you
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had to start talking talking talking
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talking talking to the cameras
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man you know what man i i was one of
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those fighters before my time and i can
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truly say i was before my time because
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if we had
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social media back then
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right come on man they weren't doing it
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like that
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they weren't doing it like that since
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ali and i just had i just think i
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always had that knack for that
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i don't even know what you call it the
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just confidence to the point where i
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could
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express myself verbally you know and and
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let everybody
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really truly understand where i'm coming
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from you see what i'm saying all you got
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to do is hear it with
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with clear ears you can understand where
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i'm coming from but you know i called
16:42
out wilder when he was up there i called
16:44
out
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klitschko but see when i call out folks
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they don't i don't get no feedback
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you see what i'm saying there's no
16:50
feedback then i see other people calling
16:52
out folks
16:53
and the fight made i mean it's an easy
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fight it's an easy fight to be made when
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both fighters want to face each other
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it's the easiest thing in the world to
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do but for some reason i was always
17:05
too big of a risk how can you say that
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in boxing
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i was always too big of a risk what kind
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of [ __ ] that
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kind of that don't even make sense
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yeah but it kind of do though like if
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you don't want to lose
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you know what i mean
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get out the way
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i'm like i'm not fighting him i just got
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to you talk about vernon
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let's talk about vernon forest right who
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amazing
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amazing god bless him i got a chance to
17:39
meet him he was one of my favorite
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fighters
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did he fight welterweight or you fought
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oh
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right when shane got the title that was
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his first defense
17:54
and vernon took the title from him
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vernon looked uh uh
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you know kind of unbeatable to me he's
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the type of fighter
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six one you know you know what i mean
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uh you know if they say you want to
18:07
match up against vernon ford he don't
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have the biggest name but he got the
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biggest respect
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i might not match up with them i might
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want to ride this out we see ryan garcia
18:17
rushing to fight javonte davis
18:21
he wants to jump right in with devante
18:24
you think that's why he wants he wants
18:26
to jump in with javonte
18:28
but he signed a contract to be the
18:30
mandatory
18:31
challenger for devin haney so he knew
18:34
what he was getting into bro
18:36
this was well thought out so if he's
18:39
running or ducking devin haney
18:41
and feels like he has a better chance to
18:43
face javonte davis
18:45
or maybe it's a money thing i don't know
18:47
but i would have never
18:48
fought that mandatory because it
18:51
positioned him for the number one
18:52
contender
18:53
in devin haney's belt for devin hayes
18:57
belt
18:57
so now it looks like ryan garcia is
19:00
running
19:01
from devin heyman can we talk like
19:04
me yeah okay let's let's talk about
19:06
devin haney and i'm gonna come back to
19:08
you because i think i think your story
19:09
is so so fascinating so i can't wait for
19:11
the movie in the book
19:12
it's coming brother i already know i
19:14
already know that's what
19:16
that's the prelude to where we gonna go
19:18
uh but let's talk about devin haney
19:21
like he's another one right horse
19:22
devin's from my hometown i've known
19:24
devin haney for years i watched the
19:26
whole rise in the cut watch them come up
19:28
and they try to dismiss him you know
19:31
till female kind of dismissed him on
19:33
this show by the way bridge business
19:35
try to make it like he's not a
19:37
legitimate champion you know
19:39
um huh would you say
19:42
he didn't fight for it they just gave
19:44
him
19:46
but to me i think they are i think it
19:49
might be a fear factor with devin haney
19:51
similar to the way it was one with you
19:54
you know what i mean devin doesn't have
19:56
the biggest marquee name
19:57
just yet but he won't fight away from it
20:02
you're right you see parallels with your
20:05
careers in that way
20:06
yeah i think david devin's gonna have to
20:08
be a little bit more vocal
20:10
okay he's gonna have to be a little bit
20:12
more vocal he's a champion
20:13
and so he gotta go out there and you're
20:16
gonna have to stick your chest out
20:17
sometime
20:18
get just don't sit back and let these
20:20
guys do what they want to do
20:22
he's already uh commissioned the wbc
20:25
to mandate the fight so i just saw that
20:28
the other day
20:29
devin haney wants to fight he wants the
20:31
big names
20:32
but they got every reason to be nervous
20:36
or even concerned because
20:38
you see the guy's potential you see his
20:40
talent but i don't think he's scratched
20:42
the surface yet
20:44
of how good he's gonna really be he's
20:46
still young
20:47
he's still super young right now being
20:50
the youngest champion right now that
20:51
to hold a belt he still got a lot of
20:54
maturing to do and once he settled down
20:56
to get that man
20:57
strength he's going to be a tough puzzle
21:00
for any of those guys to solve
21:02
and if you ask me they better get him
21:04
now yeah
21:05
they better get him now because once he
21:07
get that seasoning on him
21:10
it's going to be too late and i i want
21:11
to say that man a lot of these
21:13
a lot of i believe right now
21:14
wholeheartedly if roy jones would have
21:17
fought me when we
21:18
should have fought he probably could
21:21
have won a decision
21:23
and they give him the decision you never
21:25
hear from me again
21:27
you know i mean but because he was doing
21:29
all a lot of running it took two years
21:31
for me to get him in the ring
21:33
he moving up the heavyweight running you
21:36
feel me the truth be told
21:38
um you know i won the titles from montel
21:41
griffin
21:42
so when i went that first fight people
21:44
failed to realize that
21:46
i was a unified champion when i stepped
21:48
in that room
21:49
and ain't no way in the hell roy jones
21:51
took my title so that's neither here nor
21:53
there that's water under the bridge
21:54
i think marina determined everything
21:57
what's your excuse tonight
21:59
because losing weight has never been a
22:00
boxer's excuse
22:02
because we lose weight all the time
22:03
that's a part of the sport
22:05
and roy has never been bigger than me so
22:07
if he lost 25
22:09
i lost 35. you see what i'm saying
22:12
so i can't change nobody minds it's a
22:15
build
22:15
it's a built-in narrative and if it
22:17
makes them feel better
22:19
so be it that probably had to be one of
22:21
the greatest moments in boxing i've ever
22:23
seen in my life
22:24
any excuses tonight roy i ain't never
22:27
seen a boxer yet
22:28
say anything to the ref that say any
22:30
questions and you were the first box i
22:32
would say
22:32
hey roy any excuses tonight and you know
22:35
what it was
22:36
you was focused cause the first time you
22:38
you got you know you got robbed with
22:39
that majority decision you know you got
22:41
robbed because i saw you i'll beat them
22:42
it's you were so focused you was
22:44
bouncing up you you were waiting for the
22:45
battle when you were bouncing up in
22:46
there what's up roy
22:47
let's go you got any excuses that's why
22:49
you came out in that second round
22:51
that lazy left oh wait put them down
22:55
and i [ __ ] it up it was a lot you see
22:57
when you fight so hard man for those
22:59
belts
23:00
you know and you feel like they did an
23:02
injustice by taking it man like come on
23:04
i can
23:05
i can accept the loss i know when i lose
23:08
you feel me i'm a man man about it hey i
23:10
got to get back to the drawing board but
23:12
when something is blatantly taken from
23:14
you man i was heartbroken
23:16
and i swear to god i've never trained so
23:17
hard in my life you can ask matt
23:19
kellerman you can ask harold letterman
23:21
you can ask anybody that interviewed me
23:24
leading up to that fight i say i'm gonna
23:25
take it out of the judge's hand
23:27
all they're gonna be able to say is they
23:28
had the best seat in the house because i
23:30
knew i couldn't go to decision
23:32
i knew i couldn't go to the decision so
23:35
it was one of those things man that
23:36
it worked all it worked all right for me
23:39
it worked out for me
23:40
because when i went back to the corner
23:42
it wasn't until buddy mcgirt lit that
23:44
fire
23:44
he said you giving him too much respect
23:47
yes yes
23:48
he said you giving him too much respect
23:50
and when he said that
23:52
i don't know if i was giving him too
23:53
much respect or not but i told buddy i
23:56
say buddy
23:57
it ain't no [ __ ] it ain't no respect
23:59
in here he said well go out and get
24:00
yours
24:02
i came back it was a wrap you know what
24:04
i mean where i went and got my respect
24:06
i don't think i got my respect because
24:08
roy jones has never admitted defeat
24:10
to this day he's in denial and
24:14
it really it's sad to see
24:20
hey listen after that third fight after
24:22
that third fight that y'all had he ain't
24:24
have to accept it because if you to
24:25
caught him before you
24:26
went over that ropes with that right man
24:28
[Music]
24:30
you went for the
24:33
hey you know what i learned a lot from
24:35
that fight before you
24:36
fight a major fight check the ropes
24:40
check the ropes it don't make it go in
24:42
the ring
24:43
see how the ring is built check the
24:46
ropes make sure they're not
24:47
loose because i've never seen boxing
24:50
ropes
24:50
that loose before in my life and when
24:53
you look back at our
24:54
fights they always say okay roy you get
24:57
you stuck on the ropes but they gave the
24:59
man all that leeway i couldn't even land
25:02
a good solid punch when i had him in the
25:04
corner
25:04
because he was leaning back so far and i
25:06
almost went over the ropes
25:08
but i had on the red bottom bottom
25:14
uh all right oh man we got the magic man
25:19
with us antonio tarver
25:21
hey man let me talk to you about this
25:22
part of the sport
25:24
uh that i find interesting because i
25:26
grew up running track right and in track
25:28
field they got a lot of regulations on
25:31
on
25:31
what you can consume what you could
25:33
utilize in your body
25:35
supplements whatever energy pills
25:37
whatever people are using
25:39
a lot of folks get uh caught for using
25:41
steroids to suck
25:42
all of that different stuff we see this
25:44
in boxing all the time
25:45
i remember even when manny pacquiao and
25:48
and floyd before they were setting up
25:51
them first fights and floyd wanted them
25:52
to get their blood tested and manny was
25:54
like i don't do that you know that's
25:56
it's a religious thing but it was
25:58
because he had went up so many
26:00
weight divisions and he sustained all
26:02
that power
26:03
people were a little you know
26:04
questionable about what he was using
26:06
you you tested positive for uh banned
26:10
substances
26:11
can you speak to that what was that
26:13
about was it something he was unaware of
26:15
um or how what was that about well you
26:18
know
26:19
it's definitely gonna come out in the
26:20
book you know what i mean
26:22
i will say this you know i made a
26:25
mistake the first time
26:27
i'm not i'm not gonna say that i didn't
26:29
and i own up to my mistake
26:32
but because of that mistake they threw a
26:34
lot of bull crap on the wall and it's
26:36
stuck
26:38
you understand the second time around it
26:40
was no doubt that it was a
26:42
you know i mean i can say it now
26:43
everybody know my how i feel about that
26:46
i never i never did anything it was a
26:49
it was a frame job from the go and
26:51
that's how right now i'm still
26:54
six years removed on a suspension list
26:58
in new jersey six years
27:01
six years removed now you've seen tyson
27:04
fury come back from
27:06
cocaine abuse and they call it mental
27:08
health
27:09
you've seen big baby davis he's back
27:11
you've seen all these other guys renew
27:13
their careers
27:14
i'm the only one who has been ostracized
27:17
after game
27:18
only one and it's okay with the world
27:21
it's okay with the sport
27:25
because in boxing we don't have that
27:28
that back that that what you would call
27:30
that team or
27:32
organization you don't have the union
27:34
you don't have
27:35
so they can get away with stuff like
27:37
this bro
27:39
and and i suffered i suffered
27:42
tremendously bro you feel me been six
27:45
years i haven't commentated
27:47
i haven't fought and this is the sport
27:49
that i live this is the sport that i've
27:51
been in since i was 10 years old
27:53
you know i'm one of the best
27:55
commentators in the world but you guys
27:59
see me working and even now i'm one i'm
28:02
one of the best trainers in the world
28:03
but you don't see these young guys
28:05
coming to get this knowledge
28:07
i put it out there come on man you don't
28:09
you don't think i can help wilder
28:11
you don't think i can help wilder it is
28:15
that the people that he trusts to give
28:18
him the best advice
28:19
they're not giving him the best advice
28:23
you know and so if you say you want the
28:26
best for that fighter but
28:27
you won't let the a real tr a real
28:29
teacher teach him how this [ __ ] go
28:32
it's ridiculous it ain't about i just
28:35
think it's about me bro i just think
28:37
man i don't know i mean look i i did
28:39
every step
28:40
i went to the olympics yeah i was
28:42
captain of the olympic team bro
28:44
this don't supposed to happen to
28:46
olympians
28:47
you understand me i was a decorated
28:49
olympian in fact i broke history
28:52
the same sport that i'll eat sugar ray
28:54
leonard
28:55
all the grapes before me i broke history
28:58
i was the only man to win the national
29:00
championship
29:01
the pan american games and the world
29:02
championships in the same year
29:04
1995. i went into olympics favored to
29:07
win gold because i had just beat
29:09
my toughest opponent four months prior
29:12
who was the silly giroff
29:13
yeah i think i believe i feel like i
29:16
beat him in the olympics
29:17
they just didn't score any of my punches
29:19
and so
29:20
when we go back to the the media room
29:23
i'm sitting there with my mom and my son
29:25
i'm by myself
29:26
where my coaches at where my managers at
29:29
for the olympic team no they didn't
29:30
support my loss
29:32
nobody said nothing and when i tried to
29:34
make the transition to pro suede
29:37
i didn't have a manager or promoter i
29:39
had to call an old friend of mine
29:41
late great trainer jimmy williams brad
29:44
jacobs who was working with usa
29:46
tuesday night fights to give us the
29:48
opportunity
29:49
to fight on tuesday night fights and i
29:52
did that unattached
29:54
and we did that through russell peltz a
29:56
local philadelphia promoter
29:57
that used to fight at the blue horizon
29:59
because of that
30:01
i signed a one-year deal with russell
30:03
peltz okay
30:05
after that year was up we tried to
30:07
renegotiate
30:08
it didn't happen i signed with
30:10
starboxing
30:11
uh joe deguardia i never had
30:15
any of the big time promoters are the
30:17
big time managers
30:18
never but i wasn't scared to talk
30:22
i wasn't scared to express myself and
30:24
that's what i believe
30:26
got me to you know was able to kick the
30:28
door in because
30:30
they had to hear me man and when i
30:31
knocked out eric hardy
30:33
like okay i won the mandatory challenger
30:36
back
30:37
after i lost to every harder eric
30:38
harding was my toughest opponent believe
30:40
it or not
30:41
because he was a southpaw he was a
30:43
philadelphia fighter that had all the
30:45
ability
30:46
all the talent when i first fought him
30:48
he had six knockouts out of 21
30:50
fights i didn't think the guy could
30:52
punch
30:54
and i learned a valuable lesson when i
30:56
saw him on tape
30:58
i say man this guy can't this guy can't
31:00
compete with me
31:01
i was arrogant i was overconfident
31:05
and that first fight was the toughest
31:06
fight i ever had i was winning the fight
31:08
it was real close
31:09
but in the ninth round he hit me with a
31:11
hook a right hook
31:12
and shattered my jaw my jaw broke your
31:16
jaw
31:16
places yeah and those four rounds sway
31:20
was the full round that i developed into
31:22
a champion because at any time
31:23
i could have quit and it would have been
31:26
justified from the pain
31:27
i was feeling in my head in his body i
31:30
felt like i got shot bro that's the only
31:32
thing i can
31:33
compare it to every time i bit down on
31:36
my mouthpiece it was crunching i felt my
31:38
teeth and everything
31:39
crunching in my mouth but i didn't quit
31:42
i didn't quit i say this joke ain't
31:44
gonna knock me out i don't care what i
31:45
gotta do he ain't gonna knock me out
31:47
and so when i lost that fight i accepted
31:50
defeat
31:51
i went back to the drawing board hbo put
31:54
me in a trick bag they offered me
31:56
the eric harding fight yeah 150 000 i've
31:59
never seen that kind of money in my life
32:01
and it's going to be on the undercard of
32:03
shane mosley and vernon forrest
32:05
i thought about that fight for two days
32:08
i say man if i can't beat eric harding
32:10
i don't deserve to be in the ring with
32:12
roy jones
32:14
and i've convinced myself of that and
32:17
you remember the first three rounds he
32:19
he told my butt up i couldn't get down
32:22
he's attacking you
32:23
he was tagging me beat my tearing me up
32:26
but his trainer
32:28
his trainer his name i lose me right al
32:31
get was it galvin
32:33
galvin was his trainer he's a he's a
32:34
legendary fighter legendary trainer up
32:36
in the jersey area
32:38
well he sucked he sent eric at me he
32:40
said he's ready to go
32:42
eric don't back up knock him out
32:45
and that was his that was his he changed
32:49
his
32:49
plan he changed his game play he was
32:51
winning all he had to do was stick to
32:53
what he was doing
32:55
and so i needed him to get overly
32:57
aggressive
32:58
and i set him up with a counter left and
33:00
that's all i needed was that little
33:02
slight edge so when he came in
33:04
aggressive i set him up
33:06
boom straight left hit him and the fight
33:08
was basically over but i had to beg the
33:11
referee to stop the fight if you
33:12
remember
33:13
yeah they trying to get this guy's
33:15
second win i'm like man if you don't
33:17
stop this fight i know
33:19
he might go back to the old game plan
33:21
man stop the fight
33:26
once i won that fight i was ready
33:30
you see what i'm saying you have to go
33:32
through that in your career
33:35
if floyd if floyd would have fought
33:37
canelo at a later date
33:39
that that fight could have been
33:41
different he caught canelo
33:42
at the right time and i said it months
33:45
before he signed a fight canelo
33:47
the boy's still green he got a lot of
33:49
ability a lot of talent
33:51
but he hasn't found himself yet yeah you
33:53
see what i'm saying
33:54
and a lot of these guys out here
33:56
carrying belts that ain't even found
33:58
themselves yet
33:59
if you put them in a tough fight you
34:01
don't know if they can make it through
34:02
or not
34:03
right now today because they haven't
34:05
fought the type of competition
34:07
that's going to bring it out of them but
34:09
trust me if you stay in the game long
34:11
enough
34:11
you're going to meet that match you're
34:13
going to meet your match trust me
34:15
i don't care who you is and you can't
34:17
take your way through this game
34:18
mike tyson showed you that mike tyson
34:22
showed you you can't bully your way
34:24
through boxing
34:25
right so you better get them techniques
34:27
down you better learn that scientific
34:29
form
34:30
because that's what's going to keep you
34:32
that's what's going to give you
34:33
longevity and defense
34:35
i tell any fighter you're only going to
34:37
go as far as your chin taking
34:39
you saw garcia got up from the map got
34:41
up like a champ
34:43
hey i got new respect for him guess what
34:45
i don't like the champ
34:46
the tent but he got tested and right
34:49
there before he got up he had to
34:51
question himself
34:53
but he answered that question yeah i'm
34:55
made for this
34:56
i'm built for this and then you go knock
34:58
the same guy out in a few more rounds
35:01
now he's developed ryan garcia going to
35:03
be a tough
35:05
tough out for any of those champions out
35:07
there i'm telling you
35:10
speaking of trainers how did you hook up
35:12
with the great brentwood legend buddy
35:14
mcgirt
35:16
you know what i had just lost my fight
35:19
to eric harding
35:21
right and something happened that i took
35:24
to heart
35:26
the man my father figure my mentor jimmy
35:30
williams albert williams and maybe this
35:32
was just me being oversensitive
35:34
but he flew home that night my mom
35:36
stayed my significant other stayed my
35:39
daughter stay
35:40
everybody that cared about me i thought
35:41
stayed to see me through that but my
35:44
trainer got on that plane and made it
35:45
back to tampa and by the time i got back
35:47
to timber
35:48
all i was hearing was why we lost
35:51
and it was all me so you know i just
35:54
think it was god
35:55
moving me in another direction you know
35:58
and and i
35:59
and my great my best one of my best
36:01
friend nate jones who's been
36:03
mayweather's trainer since the amateur
36:05
days nate jones from chicago
36:07
was training with buddy mcgirt down in
36:09
vero beach
36:10
and i i joined them and the rest is
36:12
history i joined buddy mcgirt down there
36:14
i would never forget
36:15
we was at day's end we used to get room
36:18
i used to buy my rooms at days inn
36:20
had my little crock pot cooker right
36:22
there and i used to do all my cooking on
36:24
my little
36:25
hot plate and we stayed in daisy at 50
36:28
a night man it was something like that
36:29
but it was like that's how i started out
36:32
and i had a bronze medal around my neck
36:35
ain't that something
36:36
so i didn't get no love so people need
36:38
to understand i earned
36:40
everything that came to me i earned it
36:42
nobody gave me nothing
36:44
nobody and we got the magic man here man
36:48
you look you i know you loving this
36:50
horse
36:50
i know you love it because you know why
36:53
he's a champion
36:54
and i'd be wanting to know is it harder
36:55
to become the champion or the state of
36:57
champion
36:59
is it harder to train to become it or is
37:00
it harder to stay
37:02
as far as a training purpose so far i
37:04
think i think they both i think
37:06
well you know when you're the hunted
37:07
when you're the hunter
37:09
you know you're going at that food
37:10
you're going at that meal
37:12
but when you get to the top of that
37:14
mountaintop you know you to hunt you to
37:15
hunt it now they coming at you
37:17
you know everybody got your face on the
37:19
heavy bag
37:22
i think it i think it takes the same
37:24
amount of focus i think it takes
37:25
you know the identical type of focus
37:27
it's going to take everything in you
37:29
you know to win the title and it's going
37:31
to take everything in you to keep it
37:33
when you became the champ that you start
37:35
taking days off did you start
37:37
was you training as hard as you was
37:38
after you got the belt would you train
37:40
her
37:41
you know what to be honest with you you
37:42
know we come from that era where you
37:44
know um i came from that era
37:46
that uh you know we used to just we used
37:50
to
37:50
train for the fight and then we take off
37:53
into the next fight yeah and i know why
37:56
i don't know where we got that from but
37:58
at that time that was the culture that i
38:01
came from and mayweather floyd
38:03
mayweather came from that same culture
38:05
but he was different
38:06
he was one of those type guys that's why
38:07
he's 50 and old you know what i mean
38:09
he was one of those type guys that never
38:11
took off not even when he was
38:13
out at the club until about 3 4 in the
38:15
morning he'd go from the club
38:17
never drinking never smoking go straight
38:19
to the gym see he had a type of
38:21
commitment that was a little bit
38:22
different than everyone else
38:23
and it wasn't until later in my career
38:25
that i realized
38:27
man i did myself a disservice yeah you
38:30
know and i can look back and say that
38:32
you know if you're
38:33
serious about where you want to go and
38:35
it's to the top
38:36
and if you have the ability and the
38:38
talent don't treat yourself
38:40
and i'm not saying you got to go hard
38:42
every day but invest in your career
38:45
in yourself every day i don't care if
38:47
it's a meditation
38:48
i don't care if it's a prayer get some
38:51
of that that mental
38:52
that mindset get that mindset game going
38:56
because i think that's what's going to
38:57
really prevail these young fighters
38:59
everybody can fight
39:00
everybody can box everybody's strong
39:02
everybody no combination
39:04
but what separates us it's what can't
39:06
nobody sees what you're thinking
39:09
how are you calculating it how you
39:11
seeing it i think separates us how you
39:14
see yourself
39:15
see my thing was swayed i never let
39:17
nobody change my mind
39:19
yeah nobody i was stubborn in that way
39:23
you know i don't know if that's good or
39:24
bad but i'm glad i didn't no matt
39:26
and i had brother-in-law's betting
39:28
against me damn
39:29
you see what i'm saying i had
39:30
brother-in-law's betting against me
39:32
because they couldn't believe what i saw
39:34
okay that's cool you should've been on
39:38
black ma
39:39
should've put it all on black what do
39:41
you think that it is though man
39:43
it's something about like you got a lot
39:46
of
39:47
like resistance to be loved you know by
39:51
by people like you know you you always
39:53
been
39:54
i could be mistaken but i always saw you
39:57
as the underdog saying man let me
39:59
in let me eat why y'all not letting me
40:02
eat
40:02
right in here you talk about your legacy
40:07
and it's it's always like it's like you
40:10
you
40:10
i don't think you have to explain who
40:12
you are box if you know boxing we know
40:14
you you telling me what we already know
40:17
um but it it seems like if you're not a
40:20
certain way
40:20
if you don't have a certain savoir this
40:23
game
40:24
you won't get pushed forward people
40:26
gotta like
40:27
people gotta really like you in order
40:29
for you to get the same opportunities do
40:31
you feel like you were really liked
40:35
i don't know i don't know if i was
40:36
really like i mean
40:38
they couldn't deny it bro they couldn't
40:40
deny me so that's why i got my
40:42
opportunities
40:43
if they could deny me they would have
40:45
yeah
40:47
if they would if they could have denied
40:49
me they would have
40:51
if i would have never went to that press
40:53
conference when roy jones beat ruiz and
40:55
he was sitting up there
40:56
the heavyweight champion of the world
40:58
with the whole media there
40:59
and i told roy i say roy you ain't even
41:02
the best fighter in florida bro
41:04
you sitting up there the heavyweight
41:05
champion of the world and you ain't even
41:08
the best fighter in florida
41:09
so i kind of had to say those type of
41:12
things
41:13
to get him or get the people to say roy
41:16
you gotta shut
41:17
guy up okay to
41:20
believe it or not i think they forced
41:22
roy to fight me i don't think roy would
41:23
have ever fought me
41:24
on with with him choosing to fight me
41:27
because he knew he ain't crazy he knew
41:30
what he was seeing
41:32
he knew what was coming at him and he
41:34
knew the confidence i was bringing
41:36
and i had already been in the ring with
41:38
the man at 13. so if you ain't showing
41:40
me what you about at 13
41:42
and we on the same and i got out of that
41:44
fight that the only thing roy had on me
41:47
was
41:47
his daddy who was training him like a
41:49
pro
41:51
and he had more experience so
41:54
when i got when i caught up with
41:55
experience in my mind
41:57
[ __ ] you know let's do it but you really
42:00
think roy jones
42:02
like in all fairness is roy jones
42:04
pouncer pound
42:06
you know at the apex of his career man
42:08
ain't nobody faster than roy jones
42:11
man i'm gonna tell you right now but you
42:13
think roy was like roy was running
42:15
i mean i think that's a stretch like
42:18
come on wait let me let me know you
42:21
going you get me to talk about the book
42:23
and all that brother
42:25
he was roy jones he was undefeated he
42:27
was going for history getting belts and
42:29
different basically
42:30
listen roy jones came to us he came out
42:33
to the
42:34
net to colorado springs when we were the
42:37
olympians
42:38
he came out there bro it's like every
42:41
room i'm
42:42
in every room i'm in when i look around
42:45
bro i don't care if roy jones two steps
42:47
up
42:47
he's watching me bro he felt me
42:51
he felt me man you know i know people
42:54
bro he felt me
42:56
see people don't understand roy was
42:58
trying to recruit me out of the amateurs
43:00
he flew me and fernando vargas down
43:03
uh-huh at the table with my homeboy
43:07
fernando vargas his manager right there
43:09
roy jones on the
43:10
was on the phone with hbo carrie davis
43:13
and i'm an amateur sway they asked me
43:16
what i signed
43:17
with with square ring promotion back
43:19
them days
43:21
i'm an amateur i told them say well you
43:23
know i'm a camp
43:24
i told them just like this carrie davis
43:26
he can tell you
43:27
i say well i'm campaigning light
43:28
heavyweight so you know roy's it roy's a
43:31
light heavyweight champion
43:33
i think that'll be a conflict of
43:34
interest if i sign
43:36
with square ring promotions so
43:40
right then i already had the vision bro
43:44
it was just a matter of time you feel me
43:46
i already have it
43:48
man look me and roy played basketball
43:50
together sway
43:51
you i would roar in basketball too oh
43:54
come on man
43:55
[Laughter]
43:59
roy was winning boxing matches and going
44:01
and playing the basketball game he can't
44:03
beat me in ball bro he can't
44:05
outball me trust me ask anybody that
44:08
know me
44:09
i had i got one of the nastiest
44:11
left-hand shots in the game bro
44:14
i just couldn't dribble sway i just
44:17
dribble a fan see none of that
44:18
but don't give me don't let me get it up
44:21
oh look at that
44:24
oh man hey man i'm so happy we having
44:26
this conversation
44:27
we were supposed to do it uh well i
44:30
wanted to do it a different day didn't
44:31
matter what day long as we got it done
44:33
but i got the news back that she was
44:35
training
44:35
on the initial day that we set up and i
44:38
was like
44:38
training what you training for
44:42
well you know what man i you know when i
44:44
saw mike tyson and roy jones and they're
44:47
doing their thing and they talk about
44:48
just legends too i'm like hey
44:51
i ain't fought in a minute and you know
44:52
what i mean i think
44:54
me with the right legend i think we
44:55
could do some big business you feel me
44:58
anybody going heavyweight where you
44:59
going heavyweight like heavyweight
45:01
you know i'm undefeated as a heavyweight
45:02
right you know i'm undefeated as a
45:04
heavyweight you know i ain't never lost
45:06
as a heavyweight
45:07
or a cruiserweight so i'm 225
45:10
right now i'm a bonafide heavyweight wow
45:14
hey hey james tony might come back too
45:16
man that might be something going on
45:18
today
45:18
but you see you know like right now i'm
45:20
one foot out of the ring
45:22
uh-huh only got by six feet
45:26
i'm one foot out he about six feet off
45:29
so you know
45:30
i like two names man i like holyfield i
45:33
like
45:33
the greatest only right for
45:36
exhibition type of fight exhibition
45:40
style
45:41
and if not them jake lo jake jake low i
45:43
mean logan paul
45:45
you'll fight logan paul logan paul
45:50
jake paul the one not not nate robinson
45:52
i'm the first one to call them out sway
45:54
okay all right the brothers fight so
45:58
you would fight jake paul you did call
46:00
him out but i didn't know if you were
46:01
serious
46:02
serious you know why nate you know why
46:05
because i i witnessed a professional
46:09
boxer
46:10
knock out a novice and that's
46:13
never been sanctioned bro because nate
46:15
could have got hurt
46:16
seriously hurt and he did get seriously
46:19
hurt he'll probably have effects from
46:20
those shots
46:22
lingering on years from now you
46:24
understand and
46:25
and i just didn't think it was fair i
46:28
didn't think it was fair not on a real
46:29
boxing platform
46:31
if jake if if jake paul gonna fight he
46:33
needs to fight professional fighters
46:35
not mma fighters but professional
46:38
fighters because that's
46:39
that's the type of skill set that he has
46:42
and i'm not saying he's a world beater
46:44
but can't no novice mess with this kid
46:47
can't no semi-pro
46:49
mess with this kid i'm 52 i'm spotting
46:51
him 30 years
46:52
how many 52 year old fighters you know
46:55
trying to compete
46:56
with 23 years no
46:59
right you see him as a professional and
47:01
not not a knock on jake paul
47:03
what he doing hey man power to him he
47:05
out here he he generate an
47:06
interest in boxing he brings some
47:08
viewers dealership the whole nine
47:10
i was a little skeptical about it at
47:12
first but i had enough boxers saying nah
47:14
this man is bringing attention to our
47:16
sport but you consider him a
47:17
professional boxer
47:20
he has the he has the skills of a
47:22
professional boxer yes
47:23
he's been trained he's been trained by a
47:26
professional team
47:28
uh-huh bj flores who used to be
47:30
ex-cruiserweight champ
47:31
he's been training his kid for about two
47:33
years now two three years
47:35
this kid is getting professional
47:36
training and he has a little ability
47:38
now all i'm saying is at 52 you know
47:42
i think we can do an entertainment
47:44
little exhibition
47:45
and just like a rocky my boy hey if you
47:49
respect me you don't try to hurt me you
47:51
don't hit me low
47:52
i can carry you make you look good but
47:54
if you try to hurt me i'ma get you out
47:56
of there bro
47:57
i love that line when you said that
48:01
hey antonio you know what to be a good
48:03
fight antonio
48:04
your son your son and paul would be a
48:06
good fight your son is a professional
48:08
fighter you train him he's been getting
48:10
professional training from his dad
48:11
won't you put your son up in there and
48:13
let him see what he can do with that
48:14
he's going boxing you know what you know
48:17
i wouldn't
48:18
i wouldn't have a problem with that i
48:20
wouldn't have a problem with that but
48:21
junior's 154 pounds these guys
48:25
these guys cruiserweights you just mad
48:27
what he did tonight you want to beat him
48:28
up for what he did tonight that's what
48:29
it is
48:31
yeah in that arena now this is the
48:33
problem he want to fight mcgregor right
48:37
go go to the octagon then
48:40
don't bring that to the boxing arena
48:42
take that to the octagon
48:43
mma fight him in the mma cage what's the
48:46
problem
48:48
but to come and make a farce out of our
48:50
sport but you ain't fighting no
48:52
professional boxing
48:53
come on man it's the only sport you can
48:55
do that you can't go to basketball you
48:57
can't go to baseball you ain't going
48:58
walking on no football field
49:00
so why boxing and
49:03
the thing that pissed me off a lot is
49:05
that you got qualified professionals
49:07
that don't get the opportunity this kid
49:09
is getting just because
49:10
and we live this sport this ain't no
49:13
part-time job for us
49:14
this ain't no youtube business this life
49:18
and death these guys laying their life
49:19
on the line
49:20
but they can't get opportunities
49:22
five-time champion olympian
49:23
can't get opportunities what's wrong
49:25
with the sport
49:29
that's a lot like the rap game
49:34
i think i think money messed up boxing
49:35
because they're not fighting the best
49:36
fighters
49:37
they're just fighting they just fighting
49:39
fighters that you know have a good
49:40
following they're not fighting
49:41
the number one contender or the you know
49:43
top ten contenders they fighting
49:44
somebody
49:45
that have 30 18 million followers on
49:48
twitter that's what they fight they're
49:49
not fighting the number one guy
49:50
that's supposed to be there got the
49:51
belts that fought and he's a
49:52
professional they fighting the guy that
49:54
has a fan base
49:55
that can you know these are so-called
49:57
subscribers that are paid for the
49:58
pay-per-view event so it's more like a
50:00
business like you said
50:01
if it was uh you know if we had social
50:03
media back then
50:04
imagine what tarvin would have been
50:05
doing on social media that would have
50:06
been crazy
50:08
man you know this [ __ ] talking imagine
50:10
all this [ __ ] talking to each other
50:12
behind the scenes and stuff like that
50:13
you know what i mean it would have been
50:14
crazy
50:15
it was great entertainment man
50:17
entertainment at its finest
50:19
right uh i want to talk about this this
50:21
this
50:22
this platform is called bridge business
50:24
you know
50:25
double entendre he's from queens bridge
50:27
i'm from the base so we
50:28
mixed the queens bridge and bay bridge
50:30
together but then
50:32
bridging people together through
50:34
business and having these conversations
50:36
and 20 you know um they say hindsight is
50:39
20 20.
50:40
you know what i see happening now is so
50:42
it's a big money grab happening for
50:44
certain individuals if you could get to
50:46
it
50:47
you know and a lot of folks who are laid
50:48
the foundation like yourself
50:50
aren't able to necessarily benefit from
50:52
it unless you find
50:54
some type of lanes can't complain no
50:57
more just let me take what i got
50:59
utilize it moving forward and put myself
51:01
in the position i need to be in
51:03
what kind of things have you learned
51:05
about business
51:06
along the way from the time since you
51:08
was at in the motels
51:10
cooking food on a burner uh to today and
51:13
what kind of businesses have you set up
51:16
man i learned one thing you definitely
51:18
need a solid team but man that that
51:21
trust is
51:22
trust is hard bro i just went through a
51:24
whole
51:25
just built a team had to just
51:28
disband it you know right after we cut
51:32
the ribbon
51:33
so you know it's like people change man
51:35
people change
51:36
and i'm one of those cats i just stay
51:38
the same i just stay real i don't know
51:40
how
51:40
any other way to be but you know i'm i'm
51:43
patient and i wait i wait on my blessing
51:46
bro i ain't feeling
51:47
running nobody lame i just stay in my
51:50
lane i stay prayed up
51:51
and i'm always grinding i'm always
51:55
looking to build that but everything
51:56
ain't going to connect but
51:58
you got to keep grinding and i think
52:00
that when your time coming ain't nothing
52:01
nobody can do about it and i'm
52:03
i'm happy to say that i'm i'm in a in
52:05
that mental
52:06
health lane right now i'm building a
52:09
great platform there
52:10
working with a guy from vegas that i
52:13
think
52:13
uh has shown me that he's open and
52:16
transparent
52:17
and any fitness partner that you need it
52:20
has to be that way
52:21
and uh you know i've learned from a lot
52:22
of mistakes you know learn from a lot of
52:25
mistakes i think those young guys coming
52:27
up
52:27
need a guy like me to be their eyes and
52:30
ears
52:30
so to avoid those pitfalls you know
52:33
that's
52:34
out there you know and and we need more
52:37
guys that have gone through it to be
52:39
able to reach back
52:40
and give back but when you got a guy
52:42
like me even willing to give back and
52:44
these guys aren't even
52:46
seeing them seeing it you know it's
52:49
really
52:49
frustrating because i know i got the
52:52
experience
52:53
and i got the knowledge to really help
52:55
these guys
52:57
win on their own win you see what i'm
53:00
saying like it's all about the person in
53:01
the ring
53:03
so your team has to understand that it's
53:06
if you don't win we don't win yeah
53:09
you see what i'm saying and i think that
53:11
honesty man you just got to find good
53:12
people man good hearted people
53:14
that ain't trying to take what you got
53:16
or ain't trying to false represent
53:18
themselves because they
53:20
working with you just doing a good doing
53:23
good business with good people man i
53:24
think that's the key
53:26
you know uh i got a great training
53:28
platform i got about man
53:30
i'm training kids now i'm enjoying that
53:32
i'm really loving that man giving back
53:34
to these
53:35
these young kids that just eats it up
53:37
it's they like sponges
53:39
so you know with me i believe it won't
53:42
be long before i get that piece of clay
53:45
and i can develop and create whatever i
53:47
want and once again
53:49
be in that corner when we upsetting the
53:51
world
53:52
and and winning the fight that maybe
53:54
nobody think in the world that we can
53:56
win i think you'll see me doing that
53:58
real soon
53:58
and i want to say this junior is back in
54:01
the in the gym
54:02
training with a newfound focus he has a
54:04
beautiful
54:05
my granddaughter jordan so he's working
54:08
hard man and he's going to be fighting
54:10
i believe uh february 20th
54:13
and so and i told him all you have to do
54:16
is stick with it
54:17
and don't get out of shape no more bro
54:20
you know what i mean don't
54:21
be doing that old that old school
54:24
stuff by training only when you got a
54:26
fight no you got to stay in shape
54:29
and that's the commitment that i want
54:30
him to do today
54:33
you ain't got to get ready exactly you
54:35
got to get ready right
54:36
right before we let you go man i know we
54:39
took up a lot of your time but i feel
54:41
like we're gonna do a couple chapters of
54:42
these interviews bro
54:43
you know come on man we got to uh
54:47
i'ma ask you i'ma give you um multiple
54:50
choice
54:50
right i'm gonna name two fighters and
54:52
you just gotta tell me
54:54
uh who you think who would you pick
54:57
oh my god okay you're gonna put me on
54:59
the spot okay okay
55:00
of course you join in too okay
55:04
if people crawford fought errol spence
55:07
jr
55:07
who will win and why i think i think
55:11
blood crawford will win
55:13
real why yeah i think he does more
55:16
i think he can do more things in the
55:18
ring and what i've seen errol spent i've
55:20
seen him just fight one way
55:22
forward you know there's a lot of things
55:23
that he's doing i'm he's doing what he's
55:25
doing he's doing it good
55:26
but when you look at blood crawford the
55:28
man can box the man can counter punch he
55:30
go right-handed he goes southpaw
55:32
he got power so you know and he has
55:34
defense even though he fights with his
55:36
heart a little bit too much
55:38
he needs to start fighting with this so
55:40
he don't have to be you know
55:41
trying to show and prove that he's tough
55:43
he already know that
55:45
but i think blood crawford right now
55:46
today has more weapons
55:48
in the ring i agree offer all right you
55:51
want to throw one at him horse
55:57
um if you could have fought somebody
56:00
back in
56:00
times um
56:03
winky wright or andre ward
56:06
who do you think you would have picked
56:08
if you had to fight either one of the
56:09
two at that time
56:10
damn
56:14
you know what crazy man i i used to spar
56:17
winky right i used to come all the way
56:18
from orlando
56:19
drive to saint pete and spar winking
56:22
when he was world champion i was just an
56:24
amateur
56:24
you see people don't know that people
56:27
don't know that but
56:28
i was winking wright's maine's farm
56:30
party when he fought what's southpaw
56:32
bronco mccart i believe some southpaw he
56:36
was training for
56:37
i was just chief's farm partner so man
56:39
winky
56:40
you know and i have a newfound respect
56:42
for a jab trust me
56:44
[Laughter]
56:46
that's one fighter that's one fighter i
56:49
know that can beat you
56:50
handily with one hand that was just that
56:53
right jab
56:54
thank you and he taught me so much he
56:55
taught me so much
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about uh commitment and dedication i
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learned so much from winky man star now
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but i think andre ward would have been
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the fight for me
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because you know he went on record you
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know he everybody know he idolizes roy
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jones right
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a lot of people did but i ain't seen
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nobody
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wanting to get no revenge for roy you
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know somebody beat my
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somebody that i idolize i'm gonna be
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next up
57:23
you feel me but i ain't you know andre
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ward could have got it
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i mean he could have gotten a lot of
57:28
part of my career i mean but i don't
57:30
understand why they never wanted that
57:32
fight i mean
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i know why but you know kalzaki never
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fought me
57:37
kalzaki came over here and fought roy i
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thought i fought him three times so we
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know he wasn't trying to fight the best
57:42
so you know my thing is this i mean them
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guys knew when they fought me
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i wasn't nothing to play with you could
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ask the fighters that i fought
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look at my ruckus see how many fighters
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i retired
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meaning they was never the same after
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they faced me meaning
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the last time they fought in the ring
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was against me
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a lot of fighters bro and roy jones was
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one of them right yeah
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but see the reason i was able to knock
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roy out was because of the
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first fight it wasn't the set it was the
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first fight he took so much punishment
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he wasn't the same fighter when he came
58:15
back
58:15
for the rematch i didn't know that but
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my goals was already set
58:21
you know what i was going to do what i
58:22
planned on doing was already set
58:24
but when i look back at it i say yeah
58:26
roy jones may have not
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been the same fighter from that first
58:30
fight because roy jones took a lot of
58:32
punches
58:32
that fight a lot of combination shots i
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hit him
58:36
often and i hit him hard to the body to
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the head
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everywhere and i just think roy i just
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think that night the fight could have
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been
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you know the fight was taken out of roy
58:47
that night you know that i personally
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feel that
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andre ward could have got it i think
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when you look at him
58:54
you look at him firing with that oh and
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never faced
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uh the guy at the time was a donna
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stevenson
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but somebody else took care of donna
59:04
stevenson and and
59:05
andre ward never became undisputed
59:08
and i think that was a goal he should
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have had for him on his own self even
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though
59:12
he won the super six he was unbeaten and
59:15
he beat a lot of great fighters like
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uh uh what's the guy named uh
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losing me right now the light
59:21
heavyweight the light heavyweight he
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beat
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um uh not kovalev uh
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kovalev yeah yeah he fought some great
59:30
fighters but i just think
59:31
that undisputed light heavyweight
59:33
champion would have put a real nice ring
59:35
on it
59:36
and for some reason he retired before
59:38
ever facing
59:39
a donna stevenson which i feel donna
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stevens he would have beaten donna
59:42
stevenson anyway
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yeah i think so too but i'm gonna go on
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record and say
59:47
whenever somebody mentioned devin haney
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or andre
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ward being that i'm from oakland i can't
59:52
be having that come on
59:54
i can't be happier i can't let you just
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talk about dre like that man
59:58
come on man we family dude don't don't
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did you push it i'm gonna bring it
1:00:03
hey hold on but this way imagine that
1:00:05
fight now at light heavyweight
1:00:07
imagine amazing come on man hey bro
1:00:11
man but check this out i heard him and
1:00:14
timothy bradley
1:00:15
kind of adjusting about coming back and
1:00:18
doing one of those legend fights
1:00:19
andre ward said he would do it as long
1:00:21
as it's before he turned 40.
1:00:23
so you might have a chance to match up
1:00:25
with andre ward
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if you call them out man that'll be see
1:00:30
why i don't wanna
1:00:31
i gotta always call folks out yeah
1:00:34
if i call somebody out it's a different
1:00:36
it's a whole different scenario
1:00:38
the situation change you know that's
1:00:42
what's up hey man uh man i really
1:00:44
enjoyed this conversation brother uh man
1:00:46
you you're
1:00:47
you're you you're an amazing commentator
1:00:50
uh
1:00:51
are you an amazing orator um
1:00:54
you know it's incredible i love i i know
1:00:56
you've been through ups and downs
1:00:57
throughout your career
1:00:58
and you've been amazing throughout it
1:01:00
you know where you are today
1:01:02
and listen to this conversation and
1:01:03
knowing that you're giving back to kids
1:01:05
and you want to help some of these
1:01:06
younger boxers and you want to even help
1:01:08
some of these
1:01:08
more established boxers i think that's a
1:01:10
testament to the type of person you are
1:01:12
on your character
1:01:13
and so man i hope you get everything i
1:01:15
think no i don't even hope you're going
1:01:17
to get everything you want
1:01:19
thank you yeah you're going to get
1:01:21
everything you want because your energy
1:01:22
and your heart is in the right place man
1:01:24
so
1:01:25
congratulations and then when the book
1:01:27
when all these things the book come i
1:01:29
know you probably need you got to do a
1:01:30
movie man
1:01:31
be the first one to know swag
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you
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