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Dr. Angela Davis & Dr. Fania Davis Speak on The Jussie Smollett Case | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
Dec 9, 2021
The jury in the Jussie Smollett case will continue deliberating on the actor's charges that he facilitated an alleged fake hate crime. Social Activists Dr. Angela Davis and Dr. Fania Davis, who wrote an open letter in support of Smollett, call into Sway In The Morning to talk about the case and this falls in line with the history of the treatment of black men in America..
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Dr. Angela Davis & Dr. Fania Davis Speak on The Jussie Smollett Case | SWAY’S UNIVERSE
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[Applause]
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i'm
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flabbergasted nervous in a great way
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honored
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to have these two
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pillars of the community living legacies
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wisdom keepers trailblazers
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spiritual warriors conscious disruptors
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sacred mothers of our global lands
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thought leaders powerful visionaries
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transcending generations these women i
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have read about
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these women have been in my household
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and they don't even know it
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i'm talking about dr angela davis and dr
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fanya davis these people have been
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fighting and working for social justice
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for decades they put their freedom on
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the line
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they grew up in birmingham alabama where
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their friends were victims of the 16th
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street baptist church bombing they've
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been associated to the black panther
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party communist party that worked has
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been countering the prison industrial
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complex
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social uh restorative justice
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for oakland youth my hometown
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and we have them on the air with us
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today
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i want to welcome dr angela davis and dr
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fanya davis to the show
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welcome we are honored to have you
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welcome welcome welcome absolutely
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we are honored uh to have you here how
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are you uh dr angela how are you dr
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angela davis i'm doing
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i'm doing good how's everything with you
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thank you for asking i'm i'm doing
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extremely well um i've been a a big
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fan and follower of your work and of
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your journey
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my mother used to work at the lawrence
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berkeley lab over there at uc berkeley
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um
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yes and for years and um she
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also did some work in the community in
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the soup kitchens back in the early days
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and in the 70s i'm a child of the 70s i
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had a chance to go to some of these soup
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kitchens and and work in the community
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and be a part of some of these programs
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and um and and that's how i was brought
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up you know and and so it's an honor to
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have you here uh dr fanya davis it's an
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honor to have you here
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thank you and thank you for that
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beautiful that beautiful praise song oh
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my gosh i'm feeling really pumped up now
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well you know we got to call it like we
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see it
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you know
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it's important that we recognize your
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work i only wish we had more time but uh
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i'll put in i'll make a request now even
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beyond this conversation we'll have
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today i would love to have you have you
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back on the show and hopefully in person
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or if if or even on zoom so we could see
2:41
each other you know yeah
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absolutely that's all i have to say you
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see that hb it had to be i got a little
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juice here i got juice i'm down with the
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david family
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y'all better stop playing with me
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uh
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so i i wanted to talk you know uh a a a
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good friend of mine jesse smallett and
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i'll say that you know totally okay
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totally transparent that's a good friend
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of mine i consider him a little brother
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um he's in a fight for his freedom um
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he's in a fight for his life you know um
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he's facing six counts of disorderly con
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deck of suspicion of making false
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reports to the chicago police department
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uh this this case has been going ongoing
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for longer than i think chicago's uh
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resources should be have have to be
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spent
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and um i remember
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you know i think it's
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ludicrous in my opinion you know that
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that chicago has enough issues in the
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community
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to be focused on other than this thing
3:39
with jesse smallett i remember there was
3:41
an open letter in solidarity with jesse
3:43
smarlette that was written
3:45
and all all those targeted by police
3:47
misconduct that the both of you wrote
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that to both of you signed all right
3:52
that's coming and wrote we wrote that
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well you know
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and you know um
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we have been friends with this millet
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family for a very long time as a matter
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of fact jesse's mom janet was involved
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in the camp and the effort to save my
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life when when when when i was facing um
4:14
the death penalty
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and so we have uh supported uh jesse
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from the outset
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and i should also say that we've both
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been involved in efforts to reveal
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of the the racist repression of the
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chicago police department uh
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we see this this this whole effort as a
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way to
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once again attempt to legitimize
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the chicago police department and by
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extension
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all police departments in this country
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when you
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i i know in the in the letter
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um uh you talked about some of the
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things that we've seen happen in the
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past uh with the chicago police
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department you know activists who have
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been killed um by the chicago police
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department when you look at what's
5:08
happening dr fanya davis with the way
5:10
this trial is being ran what is your
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view of it
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my view is that this is a trial or
5:18
in this trial rather for an alleged hate
5:20
crime hoax jesse is the real victim
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jessie an openly gay black man who is a
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lover of humanity who since a child has
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stood against all forms of injustice is
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three times a victim
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first he's a victim of a racist
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homophobic hate crime that whitaker
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second he's a victim of a racist
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homophobic and anti-activist frame up
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third and this in some ways is most
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hurtful for him he's the victim of a
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ruthless character assassination and
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disinformation campaign unfortunately so
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many swallowed the kool-aid
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by
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chicago police department and uncritical
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media and this has hurt
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him deeply on multiple levels
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emotionally reputationally as well as
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materially
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in terms of lost career opportunities
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and income as his career was frozen for
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almost three years
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this has been very very difficult for
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him it's you know it's been a real soul
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injury for him
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um
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and though he has endured great pain and
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suffering he comes from a family like
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our family that has always stood up for
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truth and justice he comes from a
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lineage of justice warriors
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so in spite of all of this pain and
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suffering he has not faltered he remains
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determined to get the truth out at trial
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and be vindicated and i am confident uh
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having gotten running accounts of what's
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going on in the courtroom every day i am
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confident that he will be we had a good
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day yesterday on cross-examination
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so this is a racist homophobic and
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anti-activist frame up this is a
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persecution
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and not a prosecution
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why do you and i could talk a lot about
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credibility stuff you know but yeah i'll
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just stop there
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go ahead hb
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hi uh so both dr david says this is
7:16
heather thank you so much again we are
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honored to have you late um you both on
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the show today joining us and to speak
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about this um
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what was mind-boggling to me um and just
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maybe i'm wrong and i just don't get it
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it's that
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there were witnesses and correct me if
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i'm wrong but there were witnesses
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neighbors who saw
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white men running with ropes and
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different things from a particular area
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they gave statements um neighbors and
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different things and from my
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understanding this evidence was not
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allowed in court how does something like
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that happen
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well actually
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i think there's going to be some uh
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mention of
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one of those witnesses one of those
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witnesses the security guard at the
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sheridan who saw a white man running by
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who was masked um
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right near the scene of the attack uh
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he's going to testify um he should
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probably testify early next week but did
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we hear that from eddie johnson the then
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superintendent when he was you know
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engaged in his multiple media
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appearances national media appearances
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um you know he was the one who led this
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disinformation campaign really and it's
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not surprising that he was fired not
8:32
long after the jesse smallett case got
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started for lying
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um
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so it's really in many ways a
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credibility contest we know that the
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hate um attack occurred um
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and the question is you know who did it
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and why
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um and jesse
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says that he was attacked because
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of his
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race and because of his sexual
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orientation
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and uh the police department says that
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he was attacked um oh he made this all
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up that this was a hate crime hoax that
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he engineered with these two brothers
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so the question is who's going to be
9:12
more critical credible rather at trial
9:15
and i can talk a little bit later about
9:17
all the credibility issues that those
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indirect brothers are are going to have
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um
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having actually because they've already
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yeah and and
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let me also say that we can't lose sight
9:28
of the larger questions
9:31
this is a pivotal moment in the history
9:33
of this country uh
9:35
as a consequence of of the responses to
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the murders of brianna taylor and george
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floyd the whole country is now aware of
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of the
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the the the
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um structural racism of the police
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department and there have been calls for
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the development of new forms of security
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we do not need these you know racist the
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repressive forces pretending to
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guarantee the safety of our communities
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now
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uh
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in this particular case what is at risk
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is not only
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jesse uh smollette and
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uh his life and his career but what is
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at risk is uh the
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um
10:26
uh the the the um
10:29
the success that we've achieved in our
10:32
efforts to unveil structural racism in
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this country
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the
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the chicago police department has always
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been one of the worst police departments
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in the country i can remember when fred
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hampton and mark clark were assassinated
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and i can remember that had not it been
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for a few black
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members of the chicago police department
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we never would have found out what
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actually happened of that night
11:03
and then of course we know about the
11:06
murder of laquan mcdonald and how long
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how many years it took before
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the video was actually released and
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before we were able to see the behavior
11:18
of the chicago police department
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and then of course uh we know about the
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torture of over 100 black men over the
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last decades by this same chicago police
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department
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now
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why should we now believe the chicago
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police department when they that's right
11:38
when they bring these charges against
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justice vallette
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so i i mean i just want us to think not
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only about jesse uh who is a beautiful
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human being and whom i've known for a
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very long time but i want to think i
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want us to think about what is at stake
11:55
uh our awareness our collective
11:58
consciousness of the need to dismantle
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police departments precisely because of
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the structural racism
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we got dr anthony davis and dr fanya
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davis with us go ahead
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oh so i was just going to add uh not
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only is um
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as beautiful as city of chicago is
12:20
the cpd is considered the racist police
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terror capital of the country if not the
12:25
world wow and not only did they engage
12:29
in
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practice
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sorry
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i didn't know that we didn't know that
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yeah we didn't know that yeah
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yep
12:37
not only did they engage in this had the
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police department uh over the decades
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engaged in this pattern and practice of
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all manner of abuse against black men
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especially um whether a character
12:49
assassination is here or an actual
12:51
assassination as in the fred hampton
12:52
case that angel talked about or the more
12:54
recent laquan mcdonald case or the
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torture case not only did they engage in
12:59
these heinous crimes these crimes
13:01
against humanity but they engaged in an
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elaborate cover-up
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of their crime
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um and in jesse's case we see a cover-up
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we see a cover-up and a frame-up
13:14
an elaborate cover-up of an actual hate
13:16
crime and an elaborate frame up of a
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hate crime hoax
13:21
so this is you know part of their
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pattern and practice uh that we have
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seen uh over the years
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and and it's you know homophobic attack
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as well uh during the actual hate crime
13:34
jesse's attackers yelled racial and uh
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homophobic uh epithets
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and um
13:40
the two nigerian brothers who attacked
13:42
him at the direction of a white person
13:45
who we will see on video and who we will
13:48
hear about when jesse
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testifies and when the sheridan security
13:52
guard testifies um
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these guys were homophobes and um at the
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trial yesterday they were cross-examined
13:59
or the older brother was cross-examined
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about his multiple just
14:03
heinous tweets and text messages and
14:06
other social media posts um
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homophobic
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slurs
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and i want to also i know i'm going on a
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little bit but i want to talk about the
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political motivation here okay
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um
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a bit if that's okay
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um
14:23
so jesse comes from a family of
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activists like you know angela and i do
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and of course he's been engaged in um
14:30
consistently since he was a child
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against injustice against racism as
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angela said against police terror
14:37
homophobia environmental injustice
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poverty
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he's contributed to you know hbcus and
14:44
aids charities
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and
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uh he has used this is really important
14:49
and because it goes to the timing um of
14:52
this uh attack against him uh in the
14:56
2018 midterms um he was stopping the
14:59
pavement for anti-trump candidates he
15:02
was calling trump out at every
15:05
opportunity right he was in
15:07
georgia for example
15:09
supporting stacey abrams and this
15:12
clearly got the attention of the racist
15:13
supporters of trump and there are quite
15:15
a few in the chicago police department
15:18
uh and in the fop you know the fraternal
15:20
order of police which is also has a lot
15:22
of trump supporters in the leadership
15:25
uh so it clearly got the attention of
15:27
trump associates trump um you know um uh
15:31
people who do his bidding
15:33
and so when he returned to chicago from
15:35
georgia he received this hate mail
15:39
that had in the
15:40
return address line
15:42
maga and inside was a drawing of a black
15:45
man hanging from a tree
15:47
and i forgot exactly what the words were
15:50
but
15:50
the actual physical attack occurred days
15:53
later
15:56
right yeah um
15:57
so the attack
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and then you know
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then the attacker let's go with the
16:02
races
16:04
let's not forget that the uh current
16:08
special prosecutor has defended ivanka
16:12
trump jared kushner and other trump
16:14
associates
16:16
wow
16:18
oh absolutely the charges were dropped
16:20
by them and that trump himself
16:24
trump himself explicitly denounced jesse
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uh
16:29
um
16:30
during the year during his last year in
16:33
in in office uh
16:35
so you know this this
16:37
this is part of an effort of the
16:39
conservative neo-fascist forces in in in
16:44
this country to um gain
16:47
uh the uh the ears of of of people who
16:51
ought to be trying to push the country
16:53
in a progressive uh direction
16:57
we have dr angela davis with us dr fanya
17:00
davis with us
17:02
uh we're talking about the case of jesse
17:03
smallett who's up on six counts of
17:05
disorderly conduct of suspicion of
17:07
making false reports to police um and
17:10
and they've they've been
17:12
publicly open about their support
17:14
support of jesse but even bigger than
17:16
that what we're witnessing as a
17:18
community and how the results of this
17:21
trial can impact us all uh tracy g you
17:24
want to ask the question you know it
17:26
queen's so grateful to have you guys on
17:28
the line with us especially speaking
17:29
about
17:31
pretty much a member of our family jesse
17:34
there's never been a time i've mentioned
17:36
jesse's name and the word love has been
17:39
placed next to him and at the same time
17:41
as much clarity that you guys are
17:43
bringing i mean even pieces of this case
17:46
i wasn't aware of there's still going to
17:49
be um a boatload of people who say
17:53
nah
17:54
right and i think what's probably most
17:56
painful for you both as well as jesse is
17:59
that it's a lot of people saying now who
18:01
look like him you know who share the
18:04
same skin tone
18:06
and these people
18:08
i'm sure would wonder
18:10
if
18:11
this
18:12
turned out to be a hoax if they think
18:14
there is room for that and this was a
18:16
hoax
18:17
is there anything that would make you
18:19
guys
18:20
believe it
18:25
shall i go first angela
18:27
yeah yeah
18:29
okay so
18:31
first of all it's simply not believable
18:34
and this case boils down to a
18:36
credibility contest who is most
18:39
believable what witnesses are most
18:41
believable here
18:43
and um when we look at the testimony um
18:46
over the last couple of days that of the
18:48
ocean dairo brothers all kinds of
18:51
inconsistencies came up
18:53
saying one thing at the grand jury
18:54
indictment something else in the police
18:56
statements something else at trial so
18:58
they were cross-examined effectively and
19:01
thoroughly on their uh price on their
19:03
prior inconsistent statements
19:05
not only that they um
19:09
when the police and this is really i
19:11
don't know if the public knows this when
19:12
the police searched the brothers home
19:15
um
19:16
they found an arsenal weapons of war
19:20
high power uh tactical weapons
19:23
a glock 45 9 millimeter gun a rifle
19:27
shotgun countless rounds of ammo cocaine
19:31
heroin
19:32
multiple computers and multiple cell
19:35
phones so what's really happening in
19:37
these brothers lives are they really
19:38
just fitness trainers
19:40
um and the older brother is a convicted
19:42
felon i know a lot of brothers and
19:45
black men are you know wrongfully
19:47
convicted um in this case i have reason
19:50
to believe it's true and
19:52
that prior charge involved an assault uh
19:55
not unlike the assault against jesse
19:58
um
19:59
so um you know they have or the older
20:02
brother especially has had
20:04
brushes with the law i don't know if
20:06
there was a deal here i don't know if
20:09
they were promised
20:10
you know
20:11
no prosecution if they testified against
20:13
jesse here
20:15
but you know clearly they are not
20:18
credible witnesses for a number of
20:20
reasons all of which are too numerous to
20:22
mention in this call
20:25
and jesse will testify on monday and i
20:27
think um and we'll see you know who is
20:30
who is the most credible witness
20:33
thank you thank you thank you jesse is
20:35
testifying on monday wow
20:37
um
20:39
i come you know i call on on activists
20:42
and um you know church going people and
20:45
and and people of all races uh and
20:48
backgrounds to people who care about
20:50
freedom and and democracy and
20:53
police terror uh and racism and the
20:55
homophobia you know show up and support
20:58
um
20:59
okay um i really appreciate
21:02
i'm sorry go ahead dr davis i just want
21:04
to say something i just want to say
21:06
something
21:07
very quickly even
21:10
even if
21:11
uh uh it
21:13
were true and i'm talking hypothetically
21:17
why would the chicago police department
21:20
devote
21:22
so many resources
21:24
so much money
21:26
to a case of a false police report
21:30
this makes no sense no sense
21:33
and i think i think what is at issue
21:36
again is the effort to legitimize
21:42
the chicago police department and police
21:44
departments all over the country at a
21:46
time when their legitimacy is being
21:49
questioned by people all over the
21:52
country and all over the world so let's
21:54
not lose sight of that
21:57
okay uh thanks
21:59
let's not lose sight of the fact that
22:02
at the time that
22:03
this attack against jesse occurred
22:05
the chicago police department was
22:08
in the national international headlines
22:11
a lot of negative publicity
22:14
because the laquan mcdonald case had
22:16
just concluded
22:18
where officer van dyke was convicted of
22:22
shooting laquan mcdonald 16 times right
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and other officers were convicted as
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well and they were convicted of an
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elaborate cover-up where they doctored
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documents and doctored videos and
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disappeared other videos
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and not only was that in the news
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dominating the national headlines but
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you know the one-half billion paid out
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by the public
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in settlement
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funds for
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settling police terror cases against the
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police department the federal
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investigation against uh the chicago
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police all of this was in the news and
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and chicago was looking bad not just the
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chicago police department but chicago
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was just really looking bad and so then
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you know jesse's case comes along and
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and when they see that two of the
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attackers were black
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uh of course that's going to introduce a
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lot of confusion they glommed on this
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case and and used their very well-known
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skills to cover up and and and and frame
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up um and that uh racist homophobic
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activist um uh frame up uh was the
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result
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and it shifted you know everybody
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everybody's talking now about jesse
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they're not talking about
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um the chicago police and and it's
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misconduct and it's crimes against
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humanity anymore they're talking about
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how great the police department is we
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solve this mystery of the celebrity who
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orchestrated his own hate crime
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well you know i would you know i wish we
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had more time to go to talk more but i
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appreciate the time that we've had in
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all of these gyms and information that
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you
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have been sharing with us and once again
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i want to say how honored we are to have
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you on this platform dr angela davis and
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dr fanya davis and we're going to
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continue to talk about this case because
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it's important and it's important to us
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and um before you go because i was born
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and raised in oakland uh manzanita bret
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hart oakland high merrick college
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my my cousins all right all right
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evelyn wesley is the president of
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merrick college my sister uh
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uh uh
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regina calloway uh works in the malanga
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center and uh yeah your sister your
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sister's regina callaway
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yes yes
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you know
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oh thank you that's i'm her youngest
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brother
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um and
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yeah and with that said a wonderful
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family well thank you so do you
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so
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with that said i wanted to get your take
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real quick uh what do you think the
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state of the union in oakland is uh from
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your lens
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well oakland has a lot of problems take
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a pass of that
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sure you want to take okay fine you're
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more involved uh in local politics yeah
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here in oakland yeah well you know the
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first one
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i just want to say that i really love
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oakland oakland has an amazing history
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oakland
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um has
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put black liberation on the map like no
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other city in
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in in the country uh so i i just want to
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claim that before we talk about the
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problems in oakland okay
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okay yes indeed you can talk about it
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yeah
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but you know that is that is who we are
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you know this
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or at least you know this is the
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birthplace of the black panther party
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and that has influenced so much in
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subsequent years
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and things are really changing i can't
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i can't off the top of my head to cite
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the exact statistics but
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we went from being a majority black uh
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city to
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you know shrinking population
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to black uh disappearance um to
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disinvestment systemic disinvestment in
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our communities i don't know how many of
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my friends and young people have been
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forced out of oakland
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and the predatory developers are coming
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in
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gentrification you know you can't play
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drums at the park because
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a white neighbor says it's too noisy um
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um or you can't you know in west oakland
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um um
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you know have uh
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you know make a joyful noise because
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that's nuisance right and disturbing the
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peace
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so you know it's very concerning to see
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what's happening here in oakland the
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homelessness is just heartbreaking um
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and i want to say that there are a
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couple of bright uh
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uh spots um
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and i i like
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that we are you know doing this
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task force to reimagine policing here
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it's not going as far as i'd like to see
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it go
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but it's being taken pretty seriously
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with a lot of community people involved
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um on the task force and i emphasize
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community people because that's where
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the change comes from it does not come
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from systems because these are systems
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of course of racism inherently
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um
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so you know oakland is the
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uh
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is a culinary capital of the world uh
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oakland has more artists per square
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mile than any other city in the country
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we're still beautiful in so many ways
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and there's a lot of concern that we've
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been pushed out i don't know what do you
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think sway
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uh you know when i go home i'll go home
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monthly find you uh to see our our
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grandmothers and uh i see the change i
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see
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us disappearing i see us not
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participating
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um in the wealth growth that that takes
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place down by the seventh street area
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and what we're seeing happening in
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downtown oakland the homelessness i've
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never witnessed in my life in the years
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that i've been there um i'm wondering if
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the city is being mismanaged and if it's
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important like people like us uh
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get into the political realm and make
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sure we have proper representation uh so
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all of the things you're saying and then
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on top of that i'm seeing the
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the violence you know i'm seeing
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you know a lot of seeing the crime just
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becoming like times 10. and you know i
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know i know we have a lot of issues um
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i i like to
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not only talk about what those issues
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are but also try to find solutions you
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know i don't i will never give up on
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oakland
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i think um but i definitely think we got
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to galvanize um our resources and get
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like-minded people together and just
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keep speaking on it and demand a lot
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from our oakland city officials
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you know but yeah so when i go home this
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is why i ask you it's like i'm sometimes
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i feel like i'm in a foreign place i
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love walking in jack london square i
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love going to east deep east oakland we
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have family on east 85th street and high
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street and you know and in north oakland
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and in west oakland of course we have a
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lot of family in west oakland and uh i
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don't want us to lose oakland and i
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don't want us to be disconnected from
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oakland uh and so that's kind of what
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i'm saying but i have a lot of faith you
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know i have a lot of belief
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um and you know the restorative justice
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of of oakland youth programs these type
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of programs i think uh would definitely
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help with my sisters doing with congo
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square west you know mushi congo and all
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these different folks i think these kind
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of programs have helped and i think we
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need programs too to get us in tune with
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our spirituality um as we go through
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these times so absolutely absolutely
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yeah so but and you know let's remember
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that oakland also gives us hope because
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you know as we said oakland was
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oakland witnessed the birth of the black
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panther party just recently a statue of
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huey newton um was erected
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and oakland oakland is also the home of
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um
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police and prison abolition
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so
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you know while you might
30:41
argue that
30:43
some of the worst aspects of the crises
30:46
that we are experiencing in this country
30:48
can be witnessed in oakland
30:50
oakland is also the site of some of the
30:54
the most beautiful
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uh visions of the future and and oakland
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gives leadership to the country and to
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the world in that respect
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i'll say well listen this has been an
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amazing conversation um thank you big
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round of applause for dr angela davis
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and dr fanya davis
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for all the information uh
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we're gonna follow up on the jesse
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smaller trial uh and make sure that
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we're talking about it um on this
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platform and then i can't wait to meet
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you in person
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yeah i can't since you know my sister
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yeah since y'all know my sister i know
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i'm gonna get i'm gonna get a chance to
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eat with y'all at some point in the
31:34
future
31:35
all right okay
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it's done it's done okay
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you have an amazing day thank you for
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being on our show and your citizens yes
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thank you have a beautiful day
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bye-bye bye-bye
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[Applause]
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you
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