How Many Pairs Of The Air Jordan 4 Fire Red Were Possibly Made, Resell & Watch Out For Fakes
Feb 20, 2025
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The Air Jordan 4 Fire Red is going to officially release on November the 28th and retails for $200. The Fired Red 4 released originally in 1989 and made several returns since its first introduction, in 2005 and 2012. Today we’ll try to figure out how many possible pairs were made and their current resale value
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hey what's going on guys uh this is
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tybahasakis.com
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and today we are going to talk about the
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jordan 4 uh fire red
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now as you all know which is not
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something new to most of you guys
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and the shoe came out the first time in
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1989 and we've seen it come back like
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like i guess twice in 2005
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and then in 2006 in a special edition
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and then we also had it in 2012.
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so this is a shoe that you know a lot of
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people are i guess looking forward to
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because what nike did is
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they went back to actually uh bringing
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back the original
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makeup from 1989 with the
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nike air heel and the vintage uh
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hang tag on the side so this is the shoe
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that a lot of people want
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it's fine because in 2012 that show
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actually sat at my local mall for a
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little bit
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and it actually went on sale but i never
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really
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grabbed it i just don't like white shoes
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to begin with
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so but again it's a good shoe and i'm
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thinking a lot of people are going to
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want to go for it so this morning we're
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going to talk about
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uh how many pairs are made and we're
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going to talk resell and i'm also going
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to show you
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that i've seen bootlegs on the market so
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you may want to be careful i haven't
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really done a side by side comparison
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yet but i'm going to be doing that in uh
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days to come
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so let's jump into actually looking at
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the
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numbers now as you guys all know the
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first step we always take is uh
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set up our assumptions we want to know
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who's getting the shoe and how many are
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they getting
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and all that good stuff so let's start
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off with the assumption so i'm going to
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lift this up a little bit
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now first let's figure out who's getting
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it so we have food action
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foot locker champs and it's going to be
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installed online east bay that's going
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to be online only
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dick's sporting goods our finish line jd
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sports
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that's also finish line and then hybrid
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and city gear
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at the same company and then for the
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minor chains in the us
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we have downtown locker room jimmy jazz
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shoe palace
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and then chic shoes then
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we also have uh the assumption that
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we're gonna set
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so the first thing we want to do is this
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i'm gonna go with the fact that uh foot
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locker and champs
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and food action are gonna get 40 of the
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total inventory for the us of a
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because footlogger again like i said in
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in my previous uh
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presentation they have a great
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relationship with nike so they always
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get
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like preferential treatment so to speak
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now the second is uh the remaining major
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chains and minor chains are gonna
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receive like one third and the other one
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third
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we don't know who's gonna get that now
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i'm also gonna assume that only two
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thirds of the foot locker are gonna get
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the shoe
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uh foot same thing with foot action and
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same thing with champs
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because when i was checking maryland
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there was like about 20 locations that
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got it
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so if you if you trying to like if you
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set up the assumption that sounds like
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it's two-thirds of all the foot locker
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location they're gonna get it
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so if you do that in global in in in the
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usa it's gonna be 667 stores based on
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the assumptions
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181 foot action stores and then 365
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champs on locations and then i'm also
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going to
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assume that all household groups are
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going to get it that's not even a
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question because house of hoops
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is like food logos type of luxury
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or they get the extra um marquee stuff
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so house of groups is certainly gonna
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get it all hustle groups are gonna get
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it
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and then let's go over the next instead
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of assumption i'm also gonna assume that
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uh house of hoops is gonna get 48 pairs
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and then footlocker champs and fraction
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i'm going to give them 12 pairs
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per location and then for foot locker
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champs and footlocker online
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uh i'm going to give them a half of the
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total the physical stores are receiving
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and i'm also going to give east bay by a
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quarter of the total from
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the phys the the online allocation from
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foot locker champs
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and then for action and now we can find
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our numbers that's pretty easy
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so it's just simple uh multiplication
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170 times 48 that's for
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hustle groups that's 8160 a regular
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footstool uh footlocker stores that's
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going to be 6667 minus 170 times 12
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which is 59 64.
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and then food action is going to be 181
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times 12
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which is uh 2172
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and then champs is gonna be 365 times 12
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which is 43.80
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and then for the online allocation you
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add all these numbers together and then
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divided by two
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i get up to 10 338 pairs and then for
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east bay we take this number
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split it and divide it by four and we
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get 25 85
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and then for the total for foot locker
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alone and and
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foot lockers family which is production
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champion and and
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east bay it's gonna be all these things
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added together
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i came up with 33 599
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and i took it up to 35 000 pairs because
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of possible errors that i made
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now since i assume that this is 40 of
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the total production for
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north america to find a total for the
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usa it's going to be
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35 000 plus 35 000 plus 17
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and 500 which is 40 40 and 20
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basically okay so we come up with 85 87
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500 pairs that's just for north america
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based on the assumptions now for the
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worldwide production
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what i did was i took this number and i
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kind of times it by two or three
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so you can kind of see that the numbers
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are going to be anywhere between 80 000
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and 160 000 plus or even more again i
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was very conservative with these numbers
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so i believe the actual numbers will
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exceed the projection
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under projected numbers but to be safe
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i'll say anywhere between 80
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and 160 or 80 000 or 200 000
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now again i need to add my disclaimer i
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do not work for any of these
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brands that i talk about or the
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retailers so i don't have access to
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their data
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so it's based everything is based on um
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assumptions that are built
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so take everything with a grain of salt
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now i'm going to pause for a second
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and then we're going to come back and
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talk about resell
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now before we talk about resell uh
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resale or whatever you wanna
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some people say we sell resale or
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whatever um
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i wanna show you on the fake ones i
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haven't really done a study on them yet
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but i can tell you uh some of the things
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you can look for is always the tongue
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like if you look at most fake fours the
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tongue is always a telltale sign like
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what you should have really like this
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should be a double fold here
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you see this you don't really see that
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double photo and this picture is kind of
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doesn't really show what i wanted to
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show you but it's supposed to be a
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double fold
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and it isn't there on the fake one so
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you always want to focus on this one
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there's like a double fold almost like
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the shoe has to like form this kind of
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uh the
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liner and the the outside they have to
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have this double fold that you can see
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and you can see like there's a gap
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between the two there's usually like a
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definition there
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you can see that there's a distinction
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between the two on the fake ones
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you usually don't have that so i'm just
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going to show you what the fix looks
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like
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and then sometimes this week i'm going
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to do a side-by-side comparison betw
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because one of the fake companies
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reached out to me and sent me a fake
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shoe so it's good to have fake on hand
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and authentic
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so i'm going to show you what to look
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for again if you sell
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bootlegs or ua or whatever you sell
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i'm not gonna come after you be like you
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should now look i'm just trying to help
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people
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okay this is just to help you so if
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you're selling fakes
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you gotta be upfront with it and tell
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people listen this is a good fake
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but don't pass the fakes as an authentic
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that's when i have a problem with it
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just tell people hey listen
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this is a good material this is still
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looks just like the authentic
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and i'm just be honest with what you're
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selling don't try to like fool people
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that's
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that's when i have a problem with that
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okay because if somebody want to sell a
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fake one
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go ahead i'm not gonna come after you
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that's not my problem
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you know i'm just gonna warn you and i'm
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gonna say don't try to fool people again
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this is against intellectual properties
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and all that kind of stuff so you know
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that it's not right you know so if you
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can sleep at night knowing that you're
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doing stuff like that
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hey i guess your conscience is tiered so
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i don't know
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but i also want to show you that i've
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done a lot of comparison as of late
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uh i did one on the jubilee 11 i did one
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on the fragment three so you can go on
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the website i'll have a link for you in
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the description okay to see all these
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things
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so the dark marker one the off noise
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union four
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uh the off-white jordan five and then
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the
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concord and black and and purple twelves
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the lockheed green jordan one the fake
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psd4 and just a lot more i have 21 pages
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worth of stuff that you can watch so
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check the link in the description
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now we're gonna go back and talk about
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resale
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so let's talk resale here i'm going to
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show you this chart that i created this
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is
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resale value versus time so this was a
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record of
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all the resale value between october
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25th
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and november 24 which is today you can
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see early on
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that she was like at 500 dollars because
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some dummy again just
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jumped on the occasion and just bought
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the shoe because he you know imports
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buying that that's what happens
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again nike had a shock drop so i guess a
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lot of people saw it they got they got
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kind of like their eyes got big
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and people have money to blow so they
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went ahead and paid 500 dollars
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but you see that there's a major drop it
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came down to like 375
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and it and they stayed in like the 330s
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and all that and then you had another
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day where there's a spike
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you went up to like four or four and and
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this is again
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this is again uh cumulative uh resale
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value per
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day so i took all the values for one day
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and i found the reset value for that day
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now you can see that there's uh they
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stayed at like three 350 and 340
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and then came back down to like 270 and
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then 260 and 280 and went back up to
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like 333 today
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so i'll say that this resale value which
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i'll show you in my next chart in a
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second
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let's just go to that i like to read it
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all so you can actually see what's going
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on
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again like there was like some outliers
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at 500
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469 404 so what i did was i took out the
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outliers and i recalculated
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the the resale value and then when i did
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it
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it came up to about 290 dollars so you
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can expect a shoe based on the size that
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you get to sell between 260
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and 300 so usually what happens with
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like
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general releases is they lose like 10
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percent of their value by the time they
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release but that's not going to happen
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with this jordan 4
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and 5 red i think it's going to keep its
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value it's going to stay at like 260 and
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300
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based on what you have so now we're
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going to go ahead and look at the resale
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value
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by size to give you an idea of what size
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to get if you're trying to flip it
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you can pretty much see what's going on
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here right like smaller sizes
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tend to have like a better uh
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return like size four and a half five to
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like six
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they were in a like high 300s which is
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pretty good
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you know and then the mid sizes they
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kind of stayed within the 260 and 290 a
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little bit
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like less than like in the low 300s and
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then you have a 14 or three or six and
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the other sizes
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in the like 260 and 280. so this is what
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you can expect you can go back on the
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website and look at the chart if you
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want to but i would say
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aim for the small sizes you can see it
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over here if you want that's why i put a
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gold on it
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and the main sizes are just as good if
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you want to flip this shoe but again
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a lot of people are probably want to
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shoot for a sentimental or
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they just want to have it takes them
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back to like the early 90s
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when shoes were really popping and
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people actually like shoes for what they
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were
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so a lot of people want that for
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that reason so i would say
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uh if you want to flip it leave it alone
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and let people that want to actually
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want and get the shoe
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because this shoe is probably going to
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give you between 40 and and 60 dollars
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max i'm actually gonna show you and read
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off my chart in a second
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let's look at it you see
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nice like i say size four six the yield
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to the highest
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returns seven to fourteen are pretty
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much consistent with the projected uh
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resale value
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so you can again you can go back to the
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website and and look at the chart and
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that's gonna help you find
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what size you want to get but the shoe
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is like 212 after tax that's if you live
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in
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the state of mainland so the profit
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margin will fall between like 40 to 60
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and then your markup is like 19 to like
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29 the shoe is gonna sell out instantly
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that's not a question
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but as fast like we said i'll say it's
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not too great
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but 40 to 60 i'll take that any day but
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again leave the shoes for people that
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actually want the shoe because i know
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a lot of people have been waiting for it
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and they want the shoe so please don't
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be
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don't be too greedy that's all i'm gonna
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say don't be greedy all right
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now for those that want to buy the shoes
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now you don't want to wait for all that
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resale
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madness and you don't want to go through
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um
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trying to get it on sneakers and lose
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out i'll have a link for you
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and and let me show you exactly where it
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is
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you can check on the website i'll have a
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link for you here you can click here
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it's going to take you straight
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on to ebay for the authenticity
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guaranteed shoes
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okay if you want to get it now i'll have
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the link for you in the description be
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sure to check that out
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all right again thanks for watching and
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