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And yet, Kemi Badenock's going further than reform on the burqa, isn't she
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I mean, you have this internal squabble because someone decides that they might want to suggest banning the burqa
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Everyone in reform, suddenly there's a tantrum and Yusuf strolls out and all the rest of it
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Badenock, to her credit, has said, actually, I think we should consider banning it in the workplace
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Then when it comes to Trump-style travel bans, again, Nigel Farage says, oh, I don't think we can touch anything that right wing
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and Kemi Badenock says, oh, the Conservatives will consider it. Are you being outgunned by Kemi Badenock of all people
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on some of these issues? Nonsense. What we've done is we've triggered a national debate
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and we're delighted. That's exactly what we want to do. Once again, the Tories are floundering
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so they're having to copy reform. And Kemi's catching up. Look, that's fine
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I mean, she said that, you know, we were just a fan club. I think Kemi's just jealous that she hasn't got any fans at all
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and she sort of copying us That fine Look it done for them certainly in Scotland as we saw this week We leading in the polls We setting the agenda And we showing people how to save tens of billions of pounds by the Bank of England
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I'm completely unclear on burkers. Do you want to ban them or not? Yes or no, Richard Tice
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We're having a... We've triggered a national discussion. I'm very concerned about them
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Frankly, I think they are repressive. I think that they make women second-class citizens
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We're a Christian nation. We have equality between the sexes. And I'm very concerned with them
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And if someone wants to convince me otherwise, well, come and talk to me
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But at the moment, my view is that I think we should follow seven other nations across Europe that have already banned them
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If they thought it was a good idea, they had a national debate. Let's ask them why
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So you do want to ban the burka? We have to learn from other nations. Have we got an exclusive on GB News
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Richard Tice wants to ban the burka? Camilla I repeating the language I used for the last three days which is I very concerned about it in a Christian nation And the truth is how many of the women who wear a burqa wear it out of their own choice or because they forced to
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And that's not how we do things in the United Kingdom. I get all of the arguments
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I'm just asking you a simple yes or no question. Your colleague, Sarah Pochin, tabled this in the House of Commons
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You're the deputy leader of reform. You've had an internal party row
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Yes or no? do you think the burka should be banned? It's such a straightforward question
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It is very straightforward. We've triggered a debate, which is great, and I've just said to you, I'm very concerned about it
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I don't think that it's right for the UK. And I think, you know, no-one's convinced me otherwise
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but I'm happy to have a debate. Let's trigger a debate, first of all. And here's the thing, come to the left. You don't have to have your policy as a party on every single thing
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But you sound like you've got all of the... No, we absolutely do need a debate. You sound like you made up your mind So why not just say now with me in answer to my straight yes or no question I literally just said to you I want people to try and convince me otherwise But as far as I concerned I very concerned about it Let have that debate Let hear where the country mood is
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It may be different to these seven other European nations that have already banned it. Let's talk about it
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Let's have that debate. That's a great thing. That's what you do in a democracy. You embrace free speech and talk about stuff and then make a decision
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Just so I've got my head around it. Just so I've got my head around it. Just so I've got my head around it. Because I don't think anyone knows at the moment
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where reform as a party stands on banning the burqa. We know where Sarah Poaching stands
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She wants to ban it. We've triggered a debate. You think we should ban it and you'd like to be persuaded otherwise
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but if you're not, you would advocate a ban. Is that where you are? If people don't convince me otherwise, then I'm for banning it
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But as I say, I'm happy to have the debate. I'm happy to listen to the other side of the story. And I repeat the point
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You don't have to have a party policy on everything. in order to trigger a national discussion, a bit of a debate
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and that's what we've done. And now you've got the likes of Kemi Baden not copying us
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and that's fine. We lead the way. That's what we do at Reform
