WATCH: Kemi Badenoch branded Britain's 'fastest improving politician' by Oscar Reddrop

Did this one take you by surprise? Is Andrew Rosendale a loss to the Tories

Not in the slightest. I mean, to be fair to someone like Andrew, he was kind of the reform party before it existed

I mean, so in that sense, no surprise at all. I think the momentum that I think conservatives will be nervous about, though

is that floodgates now opening since the generic defection. What I would say, if we just go back to last week and now looking forward

is what Kemi did do, and people got really caught up in Westminster about how she got ahead of it, you know, the leak, the document that was found

and that was all very interesting. But I think the next day people woke up and just saw Conservatives weaker

reforms stronger. But what it did do, and this is a question, so I'm not going to be stupid enough to make any predictions here

but what it also did is I think it slightly kneecapped the conversations

that I imagine Farage and Jenrick would have been having, which was, if you do come

can we line up 10 or 15 MPs to come with you That the key for me here Rob yes we want you yes you great but we can really eat that party from the inside if you can bring your loyalists along with you

And Kemi kind of puncturing all of that and making them rush, you know, it could have been weeks in advance

how she rushed the announcement forward, I think might put a bit of glue in the machine on that

And yes, if we'll see with Rosendale, if it begins and ends with Rosendale

then actually I think the Conservative Party and Kemi will feel solidified in many ways

and that loyalty that is engendered within the party. However, if this is just a drip, drip, drip we're going to see

then it's really, really tough times for the Conservative Party. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, you're absolutely right in terms of this may have taken Nigel Farage a bit by surprise

which is why in that news conference that he gave when Robert Jenrick joined reform he said look there is now a window open for you but it closing and closing fast It unlikely to be the last though isn it Because really what we might well be seeing now is this move to suck up effectively the right of the Conservative Party

Those that have been much more willing to be critical of immigration policies, for instance

Yeah, no, no, I get it. And I understand, you know, I imagine the decision from Rosendale was something that he did not take lightly

This is he's been a Tory MP since 2001. You know, the Conservative Party is in his blood and there'll be others like him

What I would say is and this applies to both reform voters out there and conservative voters in many ways

but particularly Conservative MPs right now, is there is a really, really ineffectual government

in charge of this country at the moment that is lurching from pillar to post

from U to diplomatic crises domestic policy on the floor And as a Conservative MP you should absolutely stick behind Kemi right now

Kemi, and I don't care what anybody says, and people might watch this and laugh

but I think Kemi is the fastest improving politician we have in this country

It's quite a low bar to begin with, to be honest. That is fair. The bar is pretty low these days

But nonetheless, her trajectory is heading, I think, in a very, very, very good place

And if you're a Conservative MP, remember, remember, you have a duty to hold this government to account from opposition

And I understand that the reform movement is pretty special at the moment

I mean, it is ramping up. But remember, just very, very quickly, remember your loyalty

It's important in life. So you don't think we're witnessing the extinction of the Tory party, that the Tory party is going to be replaced by Reform UK

Well, I mean, come back to me in a couple of weeks and I might feel a little bit more nervous by answering that question

But no, of course not. I mean..