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Yeah, I mean, it's the dream team
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You know, if you listen to the press today, one thing that really blew me away was you could hear conviction
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There was no mincing of words. There was no, you know, what exactly do they mean
0:12
There was no innuendos. It was, this is what we are going to do. And everyone understood exactly what a reformed government will bring
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And I think that is really refreshing for me. All right, Stuart Fawcett, does this put the heebie-jeebies abusing as your Labour
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I mean, I'm somewhat less enthused than Leila, but that might not surprise anybody
0:32
But look, reform have eight MPs. I think if the Conservatives are here, they might say they were the opposition to the opposition
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But I'm sure they probably take some delight in that, quite frankly. But this is a long way to go for them to form a government from eight MPs
0:49
And in order to do that, they'd have to make a government of 323 MPs full stop
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And that means getting them all elected on one day And that quite a big scaling problem If you look at that from here I do see that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman are looming large there on the top table
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and they were last seen at the top table at the cabinet of the former Conservative Party
1:10
So it's quite an interesting pick that's going on there. Well, they both sort of left because they didn't believe the Conservative Party were conservative enough
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and I think Suella Braverman made the point that this is the new right. I don't know if they had as much courage in their conviction when they were Conservative candidates on the ballot paper at the 2024 election
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when they were asking their constituents to vote for them as Conservative Party candidates
1:33
I think at that stage they probably did think that there was probably some mileage in it for them personally to remain MPs
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and that now when they look at the popularity that reform is gaining, that perhaps that influenced their decision to a different direction
1:47
I think that's quite a cynical view. Listen, when you're part of a party, you know, and listen, I've been through a divorce
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It's like a marriage. You put you vested so much and all your friends are there time effort decades in terms of so so weller and generate And it a very difficult decision to leave And it takes time and it takes consideration And the moment that you decide obviously you do leave
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And I think people will say, you know, you pick the people who caused all the issues
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But I would say that they didn't fail because they were weak. They failed because the party they were a part of was weak
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You know, and they had conviction and they tried. When I listen to them now after they've left and they've got the freedom to speak, I realize that they were let down by the country, by the party they were in
2:32
And they didn't they weren't allowed to do what their brief asked them to do and what the electorate voted them to do
2:40
And listen, you feel when you when you hear them, you feel that the conservatives actually punish people for speaking out, punish people for saying this is the right way to do things
2:50
And reform doesn do that You know if you have conviction then we back you and conviction that matches that of the electorate Well hold on I mean what about what about below They what happened to Rupert Lowe and others What you just said there that might not seem true because some might say that Rupert Lowe is sort of punished I not sure why But you
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know, Reform UK have also had their issues with certain people as well. It's not just
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the Conservatives. Well, listen, I wasn't part of the party when Rupert Lowe was left
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But now, you know, I get some somehow my exit feed is filled with it
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I mean, they're talking about if you're not white and Christian in this country, you're not British
3:33
Right. They're going back to some kind of like neo-Nazi Aryan race
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If you're not white, I mean, I've heard their spokesperson on talk TV and on TV saying if you are not white and Christian, then you're not deemed to be British
3:44
And, you know, that flies in the face of wanting integration and assimilation, because no matter how much you integrate or assimilate, according to them, you will never be British
3:53
Well, look, I mean, they're not here to defend themselves right now. But the bottom line is there might be people in their party who say one thing who don't
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But that might not be the party line. Well, he's the spokesperson on the board
