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And by the way, there was a chat you had on recently a few minutes ago, I was watching, called Niall Gardner, who described our Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, who, by the way, I think did make a mistake in his appointment of Peter Manson, but to describe him as a traitor over the Chagos deal, and now backed by Trump, apparently, in his U-turn on the U-turn
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And for you, Bev, not to push back on that. Come on. Starmer is not a traitor
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He's the Prime Minister of our country trying to work in the national interest
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What's in it for us? What is in it for us to give away the trade-offs and pay for the privilege of doing so
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I'll explain it to you very simply. Yeah, I will. There was a non-binding... You don't have to explain it to me simply because I'm not an idiot, but you can explain it to me because you're on my show, so go ahead
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I'm not suggesting you're an idiot. I'm criticising you for not pushing back on one of your guests who described our Prime Minister as a traitor
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Go on then, tell me. What's in it for us? I will tell you. I'm asking you... All right, Matt. I'm asking you the question that you wanted me to ask him
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I'll ask you, what is in it for the UK to give away the Chagos Islands and pay for the privilege of doing so
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So there was a non-binding decision in an international court that said that the Chagos Islands should really belong to Mauritius
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And the concerns first by the... Let me just make the argument very quickly
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The concerns, first of all, by the previous Tory government... No because I want you to answer my question I don need an explanation of the legal backstory I heard that till I blue in the face What I want from you because we not getting it from the government and if you think Starmer is so fabulous for the UK you tell me Matt Stadlin
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what is in it for the UK to give away the Chagos and pay for the privilege of doing so
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I'm just explaining it to you, Bebby. You're interrupting me. Because there was this non-binding decision that could one day have become binding
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then, of those circumstances, we would have found ourselves potentially in a very significant pickle
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because guess what? This country still believes in international law. Donald Trump may not, but we do
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And as a consequence of that, the government is actually trying to work in our national interest
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and the interest of our defence as well to make sure that that scenario doesn't happen
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And for one of your guests to describe those attempts as traitorous is truly outrageous of him
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And I'm really surprised, Bev, that you didn't pick him up on it because if you think that our Prime Minister is a traitor
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that's disgraceful. Do I think he's a traitor? Yeah, absolutely. When it comes to Chagos, I am not seeing him present. And there are people in this town right now, there are people in this town who are ferreting around, going into offices in this city, trying to convince this administration, potentially lying through their teeth about the situation with Chagos
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Those people will not come on this show, Matt. They won't talk to the GB News viewers
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They won talk to the British public to put their case forward the likes of Jonathan Powell to say why they are here convincing Trump to go along with this ludicrous deal so that we can apologise for our colonial past
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They won't convince, they won't talk to the public about it. Your argument then, and I thought you were rather a fan of Donald Trump, I'm not, let
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me be clear, but your argument is that the President is too stupid to understand that
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a deal that Starmer is striking, for which you think he is traitorous, is too stupid
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to understand that deal? I am saying that in a busy administration
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with a huge amount to deal with, when you take a representative from the government
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if you take a British representative who is there in place of the prime minister and Donald Trump will trust them
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he will trust them on their word. Rubio, they will trust them. And when they lay out to them
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what it is that this means, they're believing them. And I think they're lying through their teeth
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about what this deal is. And I don't think they're being clear about what the implications are for national security in America
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But you still haven't told me. All you told me is we've got ourselves into a little bit of a legal knot
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and Starmer's doing his best. That's absolute boulder dash, Matt. You still haven't given me the reason, the logic
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as to why we're giving away Chagos and paying for the privilege. You and Niall Gardner are clever enough to understand this deal
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but the British government is too stupid or too traitorous And Donald Trump is too stupid to understand it
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Last year in May Marco Rubio Too dishonest Marco Rubio supported the deal Trump then over the Greenland fiasco which was outrageous did a U And then today to my surprise and to a lot of people surprise
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he's U-turned on the U-turn. But apparently your guest, who thinks that our Prime Minister
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is a traitor, your guest is clever enough to understand the problems, but Trump is too
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stupid. I thought you were a fan of Trump. That surprises me. Niall Gardner is more committed to this topic and understanding it inside and out than anybody else in this city
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And his argument that the needs of the British people are not being respected is completely worthy of listening to
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And it is legitimate. So whatever the reasoning is, and you still haven't given me the reason why it's in the British interest to give away the Chagos and pay for the privilege
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You can't tell me. I mean, you can't even sit there and say it's because we are disgusting colonialists
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If you sat there and said, because we're disgusting colonialists and they deserve reparations
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I've just told you, Beth, what the answer is. At least have the technicals to do that, Matt. Because we don't want to find ourselves in a position where an international court forces us to give up those islands
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Therefore, we wanted to strike a deal whereby we would be able to lease them for another 90 years
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Well, then in that case, they could come over here and they could say to Donald Trump, the previous government got us in a bit of a legal mess, which is not in the interest of the British public
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and we need you to help us sort this out because you can nix it and they haven't done that so
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that's clearly not what they're thinking Matt. Anyway what a pleasure Matthew Staglin. Thanks
