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First of all, you mentioned there about they must be almost forced to face the music
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Lucy Letby, the crossbow killer, Axel Riddick-Abarna, you know, kicking off in court
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denying the families their moment to face their perpetrator, to read out the impact statement, the impact it's had on them
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First of all, do you think they should be forced to get into that dock by any means necessary
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Yes, I do think they should be dragged up there. You know, put a pair of handcuffs up and pull them up the stairs
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because they have to at least acknowledge what they've done, whether they like it or not
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They don't want to face the victims' families. Of course they don't, but they should have thought about that
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before they did these horrendous EDS crimes. And, Judy, you've looked into the eyes of the abyss, literally
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You've met with killers, the precise kind of... I don't know what word to use
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the kind of people that took your beautiful grandson's life. Do you think it will have any impact whatsoever to say
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oh, by the way, if you don't go in court, you might lose a few weeks gym time. No, they'll laugh. They'll find it hilarious
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I'm laughing at it. It is a joke. You know, if you've got 20 years in there
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you're not going to worry about six weeks, no telly or no gym or three weeks or what. You know, if you've got murder on there
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then perhaps we need to start saying, right, life for life, 20 years plus, you know
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let's put these extra sentences on and make them think, oh, actually, I don't want to have that sentence
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I'm not going to do this now. You know, there's not any deterrent. It's not enough
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And, Julie, if people are facing long prison terms, 20 years plus, perhaps a full life term
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what difference would it make if they're threatened with an extra couple of years on top for not facing the music
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None at all Absolutely none at all None at all They laugh This will not affect anybody I don think anybody will be worried about this It just a waste of time
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Judy, do you think there's a huge disconnect between the lawmakers and the lawbreakers
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The lawbreakers don't seem to give them monkeys about these kind of token gestures
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No, they don't. You know, there's a mindset out there in a few people
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that, you know, I do what I want, what I want, and if I get caught, I get caught. That seems to be the minority's mindset
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And it's really sad, and that's why we've got to sort of educate these children as young as we can, seven, eight years old
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you know, just talk to them in schools, just constantly talk to them, warn them of the dangers
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warn them of, you know, it's not just somebody's life you take, it's your life that's messed up, it's your family's
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And, you know, make them realise that it has to stop. Because, like I said, five and a half years later and it's got worse
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it hasn't got any better. I would love to sit in and say, well, the last year it's got better and better, but it hasn't
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Well, Judy Taylor, you're a woman on a mission. Every time I speak with you, I get
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very, very close to tears. How are you doing? Lynne would be 25 next week
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so it's the sixth birthday we've lost. So it's not a good time at the
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moment, but I'm keeping very busy and doing as much as I possibly can, you know
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just trying to stop this happening to anyone else. Like I said, it doesn't get easier, it gets harder
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Well, Judy Taylor, as ever, I'm very sorry for your loss. Those are empty words, but I truly mean it
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I think millions of our viewers are right on your side. Thank you for the work you do, and please keep fighting on
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It's a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you very much. Thank you, Martin. Take care. Thanks, darling
