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We blame the government? Do we just blame the system
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or an individual that's failed at the bottom, is what David Lammy seems to be wanting to be..
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Or is this a sign of the fact that the whole system is falling apart, which is governmental responsibility
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No, I think it is the latter. I think this shows that the whole system is totally broken
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If he had absconded, that would be bad enough. That would have been an oversight. Questions would have to be asked, inquiries would have to be made
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But the fact that he was actually formally released, the fact that he was given his £72 and his..
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You know, the items that they're entitled to, when they were released from prison
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The fact that he is essentially the most high-profile sex offender in the country at the moment
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so much so that people see him on the street and know to film him because they are surprised to see him out on the streets
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and yet he has been let free. And, of course, this is a question for the prison services
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who I understand have already fired the officer who was directly involved. This is a question for the police
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But we should remember, he should never have been in this country in the first place. So from top to bottom, it shows that the British state is broken
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But of course, the buck does ultimately stop with the politicians who are in charge, who are presiding over the system
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So to see David Lammy kind of saying, I'm as upset as you are, doesn't really cut it in this circumstance
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No but I mean it not just this government surely It multiple governments probably over more than the last 14 years as well who simply haven invested enough in the prison service
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or at least addressing these sort of problems. And, I mean, journalists know that talking about prison
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is never very popular. It doesn't sell newspapers talking about prison problems, does it
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Until you come to a crisis like this. But it's the same for politicians
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Talking about the welfare of prisoners and that we must invest more in our prison system
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and things like that, doesn't go down well in politics either, does it? No, it doesn't
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And I think that's one of the reasons that we've got all of the problems in the prison system in particular
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the fact that the capacity issues and so on, the fact that we've been having to release loads of prisoners early
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purely just to make up space, shows you the sort of systemic issues there. But at the same time, there is just such a thing
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as plain old unforgivable incompetence. This was a very high-profile case. This is a dangerous individual
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This is someone who poses a genuine threat to the public. Put all those things together
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you would imagine that anyone worth their salt would ensure that this kind of came off smoothly
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that there would be almost extra incentive to make sure that he made it onto that deportation flight
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as he was slated to do so. And yet that hasn't taken place. And I think it just adding to a sense that the public have quite understandably that the British state is so dysfunctional it actually become a kind of menace to public safety for all the reasons that we been talking about Well and this is why as much as people like David Lammy
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will want to sort of say how livid he is and look at the people, you know, the grassroots people working on this
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where there's been a direct failure, this is like the last straw, isn't it
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I mean, it's yet another major problem on the asylum system, which the vast majority of people in this country are up in arms about
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And if you just think the stories that we've seen over the course of the past year or so
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so you were trailing the Sudanese migrant who's just been found guilty of murdering that hotel worker
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If you think about a couple of weeks ago, there was the Afghan migrant came in on a small boat
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was fleeing 19 offences in Sweden, if I remember correctly, and was sentenced the other week for sending death threats to Nigel Farage
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If you think a little bit further back, I think it was the tail end of last year, where we had another manhunt after Abdul Azedi, who was the Afghan acid attacker
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who it turned out, as that story unfold, that he had come to this country illegally
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claimed asylum was turned down had a fake conversion to Christianity managed to get asylum on the second attempt even though he committed two sexual offences in the intervening period This creates a picture of a system which is either a kind of prisoner of its own virtue signalling
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being far too naive in relation to some of the people who are coming into this country
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and exploiting the loopholes in the system, but also it's just so dysfunctional that even when someone commits an offence
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they're not dealt with in a prompt and secure fashion. And you can understand... No wonder that, you know, the summer has been defined
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by fury about this particular issue. And you wonder if any government, any change of government, could actually do anything about it within a four-year, five-year term
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I think there's some very immediate things that a government that wanted to do something about it and wasn't squeamish about doing something about it could do something about it
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I mean, it's quite clear now that in terms of properly being able to deport people when there's an obvious case to do so, they shouldn't be here, they've committed offences
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I mean, there was even concern in the run-up to the Ethiopian Epping migrants' deportation flight
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that they would still be subject to legal challenges. That could have ended up being the story here
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So, but I think the issue of Labour in particular is because this is a government run by human rights lawyers
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they are almost constitutionally incapable of doing the kinds of things that they would need to do
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to smooth that process, even though plenty of governments in Europe are now looking at the ECHR and human rights set-up afresh
