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I'm so excited to share this new 'Entrepreneurs in Freeze-Drying' episode where I sat down with the CEO of WAVE (@wave7663 ). These amazing European-engineered freeze-dryers are making huge waves in our industry (pun totally intended)!
We had an incredible conversation about how freeze-drying technology has evolved and what makes their machines so unique. You'll want to hear this if you're curious about cutting-edge innovations that could transform your production capabilities! The CEO shared insights on customization options that are helping businesses across different industries maximize efficiency.
What really blew me away was learning how WAVE's approach is creating new opportunities for both small entrepreneurs and established operations as well as his insights on the global freeze-drying market trends.
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Timestamps for Topics:
1:56 - Where Does WAVE Fit Within the Freeze Dryer Market?
6:06 - WAVE FD460 and How Much?
7:13 - Is WAVE's Freeze Dryer Technology Better or the Same Than Others?
11:50 - Recipes That Work Well in a WAVE Machine
13:16 - Who Should Buy a WAVE Freeze Dryer?
15:28 - Global Trends in Freeze Drying
18:22 - What Are Companies Producing with a WAVE Freeze Dryer?
22:24 - WAVE Support & Service in the United States & Globally
23:49 - What is a Cold Trap?
26:46 - Final Thoughts
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there's a lot of different freeze dryers
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for you to take a look at if you're
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exploring purchasing for home use or
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running a business in today's video I'm
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going to introduce you to maybe a new
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freeze dryer that you haven't heard of
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which is called Wave wave is a
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European-based freeze drying company and
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they've got distribution all over the
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world including the US wave has a
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variety of different freeze dryer sizes
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and utility in different applications of
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the freeze drying industry and expertise
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to businesses all across the world now
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having me first um so we are located in
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Austria Vienna and we have we are
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producing freestyers for the last five
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years uh we started with so I started
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with this actually I I was in a
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completely different business I was
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actually uh in Bitcoin mining before
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that um and I had a hydrop power station
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and then the whole crypto thing just
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didn't work anymore and I was always
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interested in freeze drying I thought
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maybe I can use the energy contract that
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I had and this hydrop power station to
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to use it somehow on the on the
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countryside for farmers to dry their
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products freeze drying and that's why
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then I got interested i wanted to buy
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machines and then I realized that either
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there's very small machines on the
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market or there's very expensive ones on
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the market but what I'm I was looking at
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was something in the middle i didn't
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want to spend a fortune and but I also
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wanted top quality and so I thought okay
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since I have a I have a technical
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background I'll do I do my own machine
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and I did the first one and another one
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and so slowly slowly I um ended up
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building those uh machines in the United
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States you know we're accustomed to
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freeze dryers like harvest right freeze
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dryers who who came out with kind of the
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original home freeze dryer very much
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home use but now kind of in the past
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four years about which is when I started
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my business people are using their
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freeze dryers as that are available at
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their home and they're using it to
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produce other types of products that
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they can then go sell and make a
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business out of and now it's a gigantic
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industry specifically in the
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freeze-dried candy space but if you look
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at globally I mean people are selling
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freeze-dried fruits and exporting them
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all over the country there's a lot of
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applications so uh when you are looking
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at building your company how many models
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do you have and where do they kind of
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fit in in the spectrum of capacity what
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do they all do first you know yes
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Harvest has opened the market incredibly
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i mean that's uh that's something that
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they actually really have to they they
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have to get credit for that i mean
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because they introduced small machine
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that's affordable and suddenly people
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started to experiment with all kind of
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stuff it was not really possible before
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that i mean yes there was some lab
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machines there was more but basically
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you had only these industrial machines
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and we
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are kind of coming in to people who are
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already usually using a couple of
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harvest rights I mean not only but and
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then they want to professionalize they
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need a reliable machine a bigger machine
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and then then these are our customers
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now initially we started to ship in our
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area because we were not sure about the
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quality and service and so on so it was
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more like a Europe European center
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central European project now we said all
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almost all over the world i mean not to
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China and not to uh Southeast Asia but
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otherwise we really have machines all
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over and we will also service them
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worldwide so that's important to us
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whenever you are stuck with a machine
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we'll we'll try everything to fix it and
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also with the smallest machine will come
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to you to fix it in worst case our
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machine start at 25 kilogram 50 pound of
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extraction power and the largest machine
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which we are building now has 1,000
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pound of extraction so that's that's an
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industrial machine and
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um out of that maybe it's important to
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you know there hasn't been much going on
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in this space it seems for the last okay
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it's not not much innovation not not
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much changes because yeah okay it was a
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the pharmaceutical industry the food
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industry the the big guys they bought
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those machines they always buy the same
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stuff but now we see new
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companies ordering large machinery
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because they have a new idea completely
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i don't know algae or coffee or muscles
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or I don't know like or or or they
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actually have a not a not a raw product
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but an actual product not just candy but
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I don't know yogurt drops or I mean you
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know all these or apples that they put
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into wine and then they freeze dry the
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apple with the wine and then with
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chocolate and whatever so real products
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that come out of these machines there
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are six basic type of machines but we do
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actually make special changes also to
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the machines so some are available with
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a classic way so so that the ice builds
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inside of the chamber but we can also
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build them with a cold trap and we can
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also build them with stronger
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compressors so there are more but bottom
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line is there is one model that makes
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80% of sales and that's the 440 that is
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a 120 pound extraction machine and that
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machine because we sold so many of it we
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were able to optimize it to a point
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where out of out of a 100 machines we we
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don't even need to visit we we might
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visit one per year so it's a very very
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stable machine and um it's the best
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machine we have so like how much is a
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the FD440 compared to you know other
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commercial grade freeze dryers that can
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do 100 pounds so that machine is
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$35,000 and with the capacity it's
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always it's very difficult to of course
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you can you can buy cheaper machines a
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couple of them like a harvest dried you
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will get to the same capacity probably
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with less with less money uh but then
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you also have different controls of the
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of the temperature in the chamber you
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have less capacity from the cooling
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system and then you can buy and on the
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other side there's no end no limit you
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can buy a ming cris for 150,000 euro for
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the same capacity and it will be better
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than our machine it will have a what
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colder temperature the temperature is
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more accurate i don't know you know
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stuff like this but for forward we we we
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want to keep it you know we we try to
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bring prices also down by improving the
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production uh type and so on we we you
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know we try to we we also have I mean we
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want to make the money obviously but we
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also want to make it available for
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people i want to know about the
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technology that's within your freeze
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dryer because that usually seems to set
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apart a freeze drying company of the
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companies that I've talked to in the
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market you know the the top brand name
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that we're we've been discussing it's a
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very pushand play type of machine but
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for something that needs to be
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consistently made in the same way every
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single time there's definitely better
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machines for that what talk about your
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technology within the Wave 440 or
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machines the first technological
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difference between machines basically is
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how many trays or how many points inside
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of the chamber do you control by a
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tensor so is it just is it one sensor
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and then you just estimate all the
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others or do you have one sensor or even
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more per tray to make sure that the
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temperature is the same all over the
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tray or you don't have a sensor at all
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which is also possible because what's
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actually happening is so you have a
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cooling system that has to take all the
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condensation and and because now most
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cooling systems are not strong enough to
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take whatever you you could just pump in
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heat and just have a amazingly strong
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compressor and it will be no problem you
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will have no collapse everything is good
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but it's impossible you cannot just go
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bananas and have have the the biggest
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compressor on a small machine so that's
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why we have to control the con the the
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evaporation versus the power you have
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from the compressor and that you need to
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do well because otherwise if you heat
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too much you have collapse and if you
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overwhelm the system then pressure goes
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up and then then you you don't have a
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good product don't come to an end at all
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you you don't dry at all at the end so
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control is number one and then when it
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comes then you have this basic
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difference of having the ice in the
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chamber which I think is a very good
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system i mean it's very cheap and dirty
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but it is good because the way from the
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point of where where the
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vapor comes from to the point of
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condensation is very short very
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unproatic it just condensates there and
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then you have the chamber a little bit
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dirty and whatever it it's it's very
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very good this system it has its when it
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comes to bigger machines to cosmetics
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pharmaceuticals or to to places where
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the inspector is going in and out every
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week then then you you get in troubles
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you cannot do that anymore so you need
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to condensate outside of the chamber and
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here we have a technology that I think
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only We not sure i I haven't seen any
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other systems maybe it's unique i think
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it is usually the large machines they
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have a huge uh block of ice that builds
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up over 24 or 48 hours or whatever and
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you have to hold it like all this energy
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you need to hold the ice and it's a huge
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beast and and at some point if you
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overload the machine then you're kind of
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done because now it gets really
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complicated so you have to release the
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vacuum you'll have collapse so what we
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do is we have two separate chambers
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where where we collect the ice and one
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will always work and the other one will
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defrost with the energy that has been
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coming from the compressor over time
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there's oil that's getting heated up and
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then the oil used to defrost and then it
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circles around so there's endless
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capacity and there is not much space
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space is another very important point
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when it comes to big machines
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because our machines only do like 20
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square meters and Chinese machines will
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use 100 or more because of all the rail
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systems you would need so that's why we
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sell well of those large systems
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actually another another important thing
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is that you have control not just over
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the temperature but also of okay what
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happened during the drying process you
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have a statistic you can see okay
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nothing happened here so I can skip that
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stage you know go to higher temperature
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or I can see okay you know what actually
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went on and then from here you can
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develop more products and it was I think
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quite helpful and people make very very
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complex products meanwhile that requires
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quite precise temperature like they work
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with chocolate so okay you you can go to
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a certain you know it is with chocolate
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there's an exact temperature where just
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we just be destroyed or or the same goes
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for allergy i think also same or
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probiotics and stuff like this so
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Michael what is an example of a delicate
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recipe or product that you've seen where
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a lot of the technology that's in your
11:59
machine does very well for that what
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what what makes a product delicate where
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you have to have precise things
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configured for your freeze dryer only
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the value comes to mind is um truffle
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the the the expensive mushroom it's
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because you load like 20 30,000 euro of
12:18
material to the machine to a small
12:20
machine to the smallest and I mean I
12:23
freeze dry that perfect because
12:25
otherwise the taste is gone then then
12:27
then the value is also gone we
12:30
experiment or the the buyer or together
12:32
we experiment we find the perfect recipe
12:35
and then that has to be super consistent
12:37
with the temperature sometimes we have
12:39
machines equipped with more sensors even
12:41
like front and back of the tablet has
12:45
two sensors already just to be sure we
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do not go over a certain temperature
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ever so yeah that that would be one
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example the other one marijuana I mean
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it's it's it's it's a big thing like big
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I mean like 10 15% of the machines are
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used in this industry flowers because
13:05
they lose the color algae for example
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algae used for colorization blue color
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for example comes from algae's and
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that's very delicate process also with
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these different systems you mentioned
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different industries are purchasing your
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freeze dryers who is your customer you
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know of course everyone could buy a
13:25
freeze dryer but who who specifically do
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you feel like is the good fit for
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looking at your types of freeze dryer
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machines i think there's like three big
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groups one is farmers probably it's the
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biggest group really like especially in
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Europe and South America and also Africa
13:42
now uh farmers that or India farmers
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that decide okay they're going to do it
13:47
as a business uh some of them like in
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India or Africa they ship directly to
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Europe the products like mango or coffee
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but then we have like innovative farmers
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they have their own strawberry or
13:58
raspberry and then they I don't know
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chocolate or whatever go to markets then
14:05
we have the whole like innovative like
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startup people you know that that have a
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I don't know some energy bar or or mly
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or something interesting stuff yeah that
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that need machines
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And then you have yeah I would say small
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industry because we have customer or
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government of course yeah so so we have
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um uh and I would count them in here as
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industry so we have people who have up
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to 21 I think is the largest uh
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um person he's using 21 of these
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machines of 440s uh because he has a lot
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of different material you know fish
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strawberry ready so he doesn't have to
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clean them all the time so he just
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separates it um then also have Yeah
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government of course is a big it's big
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for us they also use small machines
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often because the big machine it's um
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it's complicated yeah if if there's a
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problem we have to come the specialist
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has to come the 440 it's made anyone
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anybody can repair it basically if there
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is something and so if you're in Peru
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you better take care at this machine
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it's easier i was just in Ethiopia now
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at a customer who's doing coffee for
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example yeah given that you're in
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Austria Michael I mean you have a lot of
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advantages right now to tell us a little
15:34
bit about the global freeze drying
15:36
industry um which you know I I'm in the
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US so a lot of the times I'm talking to
15:41
US companies uh that are doing freeze
15:43
drying as well as manufacturers what
15:45
does the global freeze drying industry
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look like can you give us a a 10,000
15:51
foot view of what's happening uh now but
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also maybe what you've seen in the past
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so I'm I can only talk for the food part
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of it because I don't know there we have
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some uses in cosmetics and in
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pharmaceuticals
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uh like veterinarian stuff but in in the
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food what what what we see is that
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especially India and the Middle East is
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is growing enormously like there are
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more and more I mean it's also due to
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subsidies always I mean it's always
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plays a role in these countries but we
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can see interested
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farmers producers of shrimps fish
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readying meals very innovative stuff
16:31
that are buying machines we don't we
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don't only see the buying of machines we
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also see the offers that they want not
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that they all do it but they want offers
16:40
for huge machine they they they want to
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grow there's demand of course that's one
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thing so that's Africa and India
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especially then in in the state okay
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states states is very dynamic i mean you
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know like when we sold a lot of machines
16:54
when when there were a lot of licenses
16:56
for me wheat and then this thing
16:58
exploded now it's very calm but then
17:01
then the candy came up so immediately a
17:05
lot of people buy candy i don't know it
17:07
looks a bit slower now um but all of
17:11
these people who did candy now and who
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had our machines they come up with
17:16
completely new stuff like it's it I like
17:18
it they're like like I don't know they
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do soups now or I don't know
17:23
they powders for coffee that's also
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that's a big thing so uh in the Middle
17:28
East coffee is huge um and then of
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course what's going on is a lot of uh
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like local players very small like I
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don't know like in Vienna for example we
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have
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people or we have in Israel people who
17:45
have they have a special cheese i know
17:46
it only exists in Israel i don't know
17:48
why they do that cheese they dried this
17:52
in Saudi Arabia in
17:54
in yeah all these local local
17:58
specialtities they get freeze-dried and
18:01
shipped overseas so from their
18:03
communities also like there's some soup
18:05
with it's excellent from Egypt i don't
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know i forgot what it's called like it's
18:09
like it looked like spinach but it
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tastes
18:12
amazing they soup or in the states I I
18:16
was just touched with someone who was
18:17
selling mat mata ball soup so yeah
18:21
specialities a lot of this now since I'm
18:23
in the US and most of my audience is
18:26
going to be you know hearing this on our
18:29
podcast as well as watching this on
18:30
YouTube what types of companies have
18:33
purchased your freeze dryers in the
18:35
United States what types of products are
18:36
they producing weed is number one then
18:39
uh candy for sure there was really there
18:43
was a rush i mean like there was a for
18:46
some time we were shipping all the time
18:48
to the states for candy then I would say
18:53
it
18:54
is actually already ready meals and
18:57
innovative stuff like like curries or
19:01
soups or this type of this type of
19:04
things yeah because this is where
19:07
obviously people come to a limit with
19:10
smaller machines uh you know because
19:12
it's a a lot you if if you want to sell
19:15
curry or something like that you you
19:17
need mass and then you need a machine
19:20
that has power but you don't want a very
19:22
expensive machine so they come to us um
19:25
yeah dog food is also has been quite uh
19:29
strong um dog treats I I think you call
19:32
it um and then berries but not not too
19:37
much actually so in Europe there's I
19:40
think 50% of our customers do actually
19:43
bury or like typical farm products i
19:46
haven't seen this from the states i I I
19:49
I think because our farms are typically
19:51
small here and you have like families
19:54
still running them and I think farms in
19:55
the states are big it's not like here
19:58
yeah as people run a business with their
20:00
freeze dryers you realize really quickly
20:02
i talked to a lot of entrepreneurs and a
20:05
lot of them have started with these home
20:07
freeze dryers for their business and the
20:10
justification for going to a commercial
20:12
freeze dryer like the 440 like you have
20:16
or even a Parker freeze dryer in the US
20:18
and other larger commercial freeze
20:21
dryers it's really hard for these
20:23
entrepreneurs to justify buying the
20:25
larger machines but I think that's the
20:28
kind of the next kind of wave of growth
20:31
within the freeze drying space because a
20:33
lot of people are you know you're just
20:35
spending a lot of time cleaning and
20:37
maintaining uh a lot of freeze dryer
20:39
systems you're having to change the oil
20:42
and maintain those machines pumps
20:45
constantly versus if you had one machine
20:47
that could do 120 lbs like your 440
20:51
you're having a very consistent
20:53
maintenance schedule you're also able to
20:56
make that soup so if you make a homemade
20:58
bisque well now you can buy all of your
21:02
tomatoes and your broth and all of those
21:05
ingredients in bulk which saves you
21:07
money and then you can put all of that
21:10
material on the trays in a larger
21:13
machine therefore producing more so your
21:15
cost is actually getting lower over time
21:18
so that's that's what I see the real
21:19
power in the advantage like if you if
21:21
you go bigger in the like in if you're a
21:24
farmer or if if you have access to a
21:27
farmer yeah so that's why I see what I
21:29
see in Europe a lot i I don't know about
21:31
the states but some people have the
21:34
fruits you need to go for the top top
21:36
top quality you know like if if you have
21:38
a bad some bad fruits or or kale fruits
21:42
if if you freeze on them they're really
21:43
ugly at the end so you have to do the
21:46
best stuff and then what they do they
21:48
create a small infrastructure with their
21:50
farmers to harvest exactly when it's
21:53
ripe what you usually cannot get from
21:55
the supermarket so you have to have that
21:57
volume to be able to get it from a
21:59
farmer and then freeze it on the one day
22:02
where it's perfect and then freeze dry
22:04
it and you have a product that's not
22:06
even comparable to what you can buy from
22:08
the supermarket it's just superior and
22:11
you need a certain amount in a certain
22:15
SL organization also to to do that and
22:18
and refine it package it nice so so you
22:22
need you need a little bit of volume on
22:24
that if someone wanted to look at buying
22:26
a wave what type of warranty comes with
22:28
the machine and you talked about the
22:30
support if something goes wrong if
22:33
someone needs to set up the machine you
22:35
showed us kind of what the technology
22:37
looks like it looks like a lot of wires
22:39
a lot of that all that stuff i know I
22:41
know that's in the building part but how
22:42
does someone get support with Wave given
22:44
that it's a global company do you have a
22:47
US office and uh what's the warranty
22:49
like so it's like this so there's a 6
22:52
months full support WhatsApp support so
22:55
within 10 20 minutes you have an answer
22:58
from someone it it doesn't even have to
23:00
be a problem it can be just a question
23:02
for recipe or what to do whatever so
23:04
this is 6 months included whatever
23:07
question you have you get to us a one
23:10
year full warranty so whatever happens
23:13
to the machine in the even with the
23:16
technicians from the states we have
23:18
technicians in the states there's an
23:19
office and a service um center service
23:23
point we call it in California so either
23:26
this person comes or we send an HVAC
23:28
technician if there's a problem with the
23:30
HVAR system I will try to help you via
23:32
phone WhatsApp whatever we'll send parts
23:35
we'll get PE people going again that's
23:38
for sure uh and there is another year of
23:41
parts support so we will not in the
23:43
second year we will not pay for someone
23:46
to come anymore but we will replace
23:48
parts if they break michael you
23:50
mentioned about a cold trap what is that
23:53
and why is it different than what the
23:57
freeze dryer we know or uh let me
23:59
rephrase that michael you talked about a
24:01
cold trap can you tell us what a cold
24:03
trap is and how it fits into a freeze
24:05
dryer system so usually when you look at
24:08
the harvest rides or the other smaller
24:11
systems the cold trap is actually the
24:14
the the tube itself so the ice will
24:18
condensate inside of the chamber and the
24:22
reason for that is because this outside
24:24
part is cooled down to minus 20 30
24:28
40Ā° whatever the capacity is and then
24:32
the ice will build up here now if you
24:35
with larger systems you do not want to
24:38
have the ice in there because it is if
24:40
it's 500 kilos just would just destroy
24:43
the inside so you have to collect the
24:46
ice somewhere else and then you build a
24:48
cold trap so that's a separate second
24:51
chamber where you have pipes with a
24:55
cooling with a refrigerant running and
24:57
then the ice will build there so
25:00
basically what's happening you have your
25:01
usual chamber from that chamber the
25:04
vapor the water from the material will
25:06
just be sucked out then will go through
25:09
the chamber and then condensates and
25:11
then of course a little bit of that will
25:14
go to the pump to maintain the pressure
25:17
and that's that's a cold trap it that's
25:20
actually the essential part of the whole
25:22
system it
25:23
defines how much can you extract how
25:26
fast can you extract how good can you
25:28
extract collapse all of that depends on
25:31
this it's similar to a walk-in freezer
25:33
that's why in a walk-in freezer you
25:35
don't really see ice on all the walls
25:38
and everything because it has a venting
25:40
system where it's taking that cold air
25:41
and putting it somewhere to put the ice
25:43
so that you're not walking on ice in a
25:45
walk-in freezer is that right yes yeah
25:47
it's somewhat i mean like the the the
25:49
freezer in a walk-in system has also a
25:51
condenser where the where the the vapor
25:54
from the room actually will collect and
25:57
at some point also has to be the water
25:59
has to be so so that's why you see in
26:00
air conditioning systems there's also
26:02
water coming out yeah but in generally
26:06
it's
26:07
um well it's it's quite unique to freeze
26:11
drying and some other applications where
26:15
you need clean air like clean rooms have
26:18
coat traps usually
26:20
also pressurized air sometime it's it's
26:25
yeah you need you need it wherever you
26:27
need to have dry air and that's that's
26:30
what we actually produce here and it
26:33
needs a lot of energy actually to to
26:36
make ice from vapor because you are
26:39
changing the state of water two times
26:42
you need to go from vapor to liquid and
26:44
from liquid to ice and it takes a lot of
26:46
energy well I want to thank you Michael
26:48
for for being on this podcast this has
26:50
been really informative and I'm sure
26:51
we're going to be talking quite a bit in
26:53
the in the future about your machines
26:55
because I love understanding what else
26:58
is out there and especially since you're
27:00
going and you're a lot more global with
27:02
your freeze dryer systems it's really
27:04
interesting to be able to know what's
27:07
going on outside of the US so where can
27:09
people find information or get in touch
27:12
with someone again in the United States
27:15
uh with Wave go to to our website if you
27:18
are from the United States you will be
27:20
connected to our
27:23
representative if you have questions
27:25
about the machines or recipes or
27:28
material that you can try i mean just
27:30
just reach out uh not pushy in sales we
27:35
will you know we also for us it's also
27:37
interesting to learn what you want to do
27:39
and we'll help you out with that and of
27:41
course we love to to sell machines also
27:43
well thanks Michael for attending the
27:45
podcast and if you're interested in
27:47
learning more about entrepreneurship in
27:49
freezerying and and learning more about
27:51
who's out there companies and also
27:54
manufacturers and people in the
27:56
freezering space make sure you tune in
27:57
to more episodes of the Frozen Asset
27:59
Podcast series you can find it on Apple
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