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Welcome to our Deep dive into Victor
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frankl's Man's Search for meaning oh a
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fantastic choice you know you sent in
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those excerpts from a summary and I got
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to say they were they were pretty
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thought-provoking it just seemed like
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the perfect material to really dig into
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especially you know frankl's whole idea
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about finding purpose even in the the
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toughest situations absolutely it's a
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it's a book that really stays with you
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you know maybe just a quick refresher
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for folks in case um sure Franco was a
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iatrist and he was imprisoned right in
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Nazi concentration camps during World
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War II oh wow and and it was there in
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that experience he developed logo
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therapy okay and and that centers around
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this concept of the will to meaning as
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like a fundamental human drive I'm
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really fascinated by that because you
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know you think about those conditions
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you would imagine like survival would be
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everyone's just absolute top priority
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right but frankl's suggesting it's
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actually it's much deeper than that yeah
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yeah it's a lot more layered yeah yeah
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he argues that our our core motivation
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isn't just about dodging pain or chasing
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pleasure yeah but it's about this this
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deeper search for meaning in life okay
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and he saw this firsthand in the camps
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he identified three ways that people
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found meaning okay I'm listening work
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love and and this is the one that really
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gets you thinking suffering suffering I
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mean how how can anyone even begin to
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find meaning in something that's so yeah
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so incredibly awful it is it is really a
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concept that kind of challenges our
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usual way of thinking about things
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doesn't it yeah ites but Frankle he
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observed that even in the the heart of
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suffering people could discover a sense
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of purpose like a reason to to keep
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going yeah um and he even gives an
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example you know like oh yeah I remember
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this visualizing a reunion with his wife
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right even though they were separated
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during the war yeah that just that
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mental picture that hope for the future
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it's amazing to think that that could
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help someone through that kind of
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presence it's it's a powerful image yeah
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but you know makes you wonder how did he
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balance that hope with the with the the
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brutal reality right yeah because it's
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almost like was he just in denial that
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that's a good question yeah he wasn't
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advocating for this kind of naive
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optimism or ignoring the horrors that
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were happening right of course not he
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recognized the importance of
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acknowledging suffering absolutely but
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he also believed that that even within
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that suffering we can find uh you know
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something to to hold on to you know okay
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a reason to choose life so not
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pretending it wasn't there but but
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seeing like a glimmer like a purpose
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within it yes exactly I I think I'm
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starting to understand I I'm wondering
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though how does how does what he learn
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apply to you know to our Liv to everyday
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life now yeah well that's where that's
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where logotherapy comes in it's not just
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about surviving trauma it's about
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thriving okay it's about you know
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everyday life so logo therapy is that
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where the word like logos comes from it
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is it is logos means meaning in Greek oh
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okay and so it's it's really about
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helping people uncover their own unique
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so if our goals kind of represent a
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source of meaning as Frankle says how do
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we know when we have goals that maybe
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don't align with our values anymore oh
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that's that's such a such a great point
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I think it's about constantly kind of
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checking in with yourself re-evaluating
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and adjusting right logotherapy
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encourages you to ask like what are the
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things that truly matter to me yeah what
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kind of impact do I want to have on the
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world yeah and are my actions actually
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matching up with those deeper values I
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see so it's not just about achieving any
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goal right it's about going after ones
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that really resonate with with who you
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are precisely and Franco believed that
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this whole process of searching for
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meaning MH it's ongoing
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it's it's not about reaching like a
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final answer okay it's about constantly
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engaging with the question of what gives
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your life purpose okay but I want to go
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back to the the suffering for a minute
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because I I am still kind of grappling
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with how can we actually find meaning
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when things are really hard yeah yeah
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Frankle observed that those who survive
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the camps yeah often had this this
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strong sense of purpose okay it might
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have been a task that they felt called
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to complete a future they envisioned or
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even a a belief system that sustained
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them you know they they found something
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to hold on to even when everything else
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even when all seemed lost exactly he
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shares some pretty specific examples of
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this right he does he does there's this
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incredible story about how Franco lost
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his manuscript in the camp I was just
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thinking about that can you imagine the
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despair oh yeah of losing something so
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precious especially in those especially
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in those conditions but amidst all the
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chaos he he finds a page from a Hebrew
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prayer book wow and it inspires him to
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rewrite his work oh that's that's
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remarkable so even in that moment of
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loss he found like a spark of hope A
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Renewed purpose but I mean isn't that
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just because he was you know so
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extraordinarily resilient that's that's
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what Franco wants us to understand okay
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he doesn't believe that finding meaning
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in suffering is about being super
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okay or or denying the pain it's about
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recognizing that even in the darkest of
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times we we have a choice a choice but I
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mean doesn't that oversimplify things
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when you're facing that kind of
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suffering you don't have a lot of
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options of course of course the
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circumstances could be incredibly
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limiting absolutely yeah but but Franco
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is talking about the power to choose our
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attitude okay our mindset okay we can
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choose to succumb to despair yeah or we
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can choose to search for meaning a
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reason to keep going I see so so even if
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we can't control what's happening around
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us yeah we can control how we how we
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respond how we respond to it exactly
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internally and that choice it can make
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all the difference so he's not saying
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that suffering is good no he's not
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saying that we should go looking for it
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he's saying when it comes we have the
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power to decide how we how we relate to
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it yeah yeah that's a great way to put
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it okay he's not advocating for a life
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of suffering but for a life where
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suffering when it comes can be
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transformed into a source of growth and
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meaning this is all making me think
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about how today yeah there's just so
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much emphasis on happiness mhm like
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positivity right at all costs at all
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costs yeah Frankle seems to be saying
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something totally different he does and
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and I think that's something we should
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we should delve into in our next part
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you know how he challenges This Modern
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obsession with happiness yeah and how
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you know his work can help us build a
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more resilient and meaningful life even
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when things are are far from perfect I'm
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I'm ready for that all right let's do it
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let's do it you were saying how frankl's
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ideas kind of challenge yeah our modern
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obsession with happiness they do don't
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they it's like we're we're constantly
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trying to outsmart Being Human right you
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know Frankle he reminds us that
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suffering it's it's just part of life
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yeah it's not something to be scared of
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or or try to avoid but it's something to
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to really grapp with and it can actually
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be a source of growth that's that's kind
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of a radical idea in our you know Good
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Vibes only culture but but how do we how
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do we square that with like real pain
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hardship that people are going through
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yeah I mean isn't there a danger in in
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minimizing that by saying it can be a
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meaning you know it's it's a delicate
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balance and and Franco was very clear he
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wasn't romanticizing suffering or saying
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that it's inherently good right of
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course not he he went through
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unimaginable Horrors in the camps yeah
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but he saw that those who found a reason
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to keep going even even like a tiny tiny
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glimmer of perks right they were more
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likely to survive so so it's not about
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pretending it's not there yeah but about
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finding a way to to move through it yeah
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to move through it to to find something
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yeah to transcend it yeah to transcend
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it and find something in it that gives
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you strength exactly it's about you know
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tapping into that will to meaning that
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we talked about before he he believed
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that confronting our struggles rather
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than trying to run from them okay that
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that could be a path to
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meaning what do you what do you think
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about that MH especially
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in it's it's hard to to embrace that you
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know we're we're just conditioned to
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seek Comfort to avoid
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discomfort but I I can see how like
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pushing our elv to to deal with you know
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tough emotions asking those tough
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questions could lead us to a a deeper
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understanding of ourselves and and where
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we fit in the world it's not about
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seeking out suffering of course nobody
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wants to go through pain no but but when
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it comes up as it inevitably does yeah
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we have a choice we can either let it
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consume us or we can use it as an
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opportunity for growth it it makes me
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think of that saying like uh what
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doesn't kill you makes you stronger
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right but Frankle is like taking it a
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step further he is it's not just about
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getting stronger it's about the meaning
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it's finding meaning in the struggle
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itself do you do you think that's always
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possible you know that's a that's a
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really honest question yeah Frankle
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doesn't he doesn't give easy answers
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right or or guarantees you know he's not
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saying we're going to have this like
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huge epiphony in the middle of suffering
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where everything suddenly makes sense
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but he He suggests that even in the the
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darkest places there can be moments of
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light little acts of defiance glimmers
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of Hope and and those can make all the
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difference you mentioned before like the
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people who survive the camps yeah often
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they clung to some kind of purpose they
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did are there are there other examples
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besides the the manuscript story oh yeah
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there are you know many found meaning in
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in small acts of kindness oh okay
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connecting with others even just just
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appreciate a beautiful sunset in the
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midst of of all the ugliness yeah it
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wasn't about these big gestures but just
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these these little yeah those little
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Sparks the little Sparks of light
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exactly and those small acts those
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moments of connection those were their
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acts of resistance yeah you know they
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were reclaiming their Humanity right
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right and that's that's something we can
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all do yeah no matter what our
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circumstances are yeah we can choose to
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focus on those those glimmers of hope
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those moments of beauty MH even when
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we're surrounded by suffering it's a
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powerful reminder that even when we feel
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powerless we still have that power to
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choose how we how we react how we
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respond to what's what's happening but
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you know sometimes those negative
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emotions can just feel absolutely so
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overw it can and and the summary it
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acknowledges that it it talks about how
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difficult it can be to to force
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ourselves to be positive right and how
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sometimes we look for
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for short-term happiness yeah instead of
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that long-term peace what what are your
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thoughts on that I I thought that was
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really interesting because it's so easy
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it is to get caught up in that cycle of
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wanting to feel good all the time so you
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reach for another cookie or you scroll
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social media for hours you know these
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little distractions yeah that's a
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distraction that give you a temporary
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boost but they don't really deal with
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the underlying issues it's the Trap of
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gratification we live in a world where
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we're constantly bombarded we are with
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messages about seeking pleasure and
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avoiding pain yeah yeah but but Frankle
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he's suggesting that true fulfillment
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comes from something much much deeper so
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so instead of asking myself what will
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make me happy right now I should be
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asking what gives my life meaning yes
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but what if I don't know the answer to
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that well that's that's where his idea
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is about responsibility he he argues
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that we're not just victims of our
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we have the to choose how we respond to
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create meaning in our lives so it's not
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about waiting for it to find us it's
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about actively going after it creating
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it through our choices and actions
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precisely he he even talks about three
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specific areas where people tend to
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choose negativity pain guilt and death
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and and he offers antidotes I remember
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that part of the summary yeah turning
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pain into accomplishment guilt into
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responsibility and loss into a reminder
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of of how precious life is those are
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powerful powerful examples of how we can
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shift our perspective and Find
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meaning even in in those hard moments
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it's not about denying the negative
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emotions but but transforming them yeah
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into something positive something that
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fuels our growth that's a big shift in
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thinking it is instead of being consumed
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by those emotions we can actually use
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them like fuel for our journey yes yes
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finding that opportunity for growth
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within the struggle exactly and and
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that's where we we really start to see
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the power of of logo therapy it's not
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just a bunch of theories it's really a
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framework for for living a more
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intentional and meaningful life
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absolutely I'm I'm starting to see how
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this all connects the the will to
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meaning logo therapy finding purpose and
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suffering it's all connected it's all
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connected it's about recognizing our own
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agency our own power yeah choose meaning
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even in in the most difficult times I
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got it but but how do we actually put
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this into practice how do we go from
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that's the big question yeah from these
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big ideas to concrete actions and and
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that's the heart of it isn't it and
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that's what that's what we'll explore in
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the final part of this deep dive we'll
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we'll look at frankl's practical advice
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okay on how to how to take those big
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ideas and put them into action how to
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really live a more meaningful life day
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by day Okay so we've talking about these
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really really powerful ideas the will to
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meaning logo therapy even finding
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purpose in in suffering but I'm
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wondering how how do we actually put
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this into practice it's one thing to to
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kind of get it in our heads but how do
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we actually live it out right right what
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are some practical steps that we can
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yeah Frankle doesn't just leave us with
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Theory yeah that's good cuz he he gives
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us some really solid advice yeah on on
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how to how to take these ideas and and
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make them actionable okay that's that's
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what I'm looking for give me the the
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actionable steps okay well remember
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those those three paths to meaning that
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we talked about right doing something
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you love experiencing something deeply
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and finding meaning through suffering
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right right he encourages us to figure
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out which of those really really
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resonate for us right now okay it could
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be one it could be all three yeah but
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the the key is to to actively go after
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those things so so if somebody's
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passionate about let's say writing but
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they haven't touched a pen in years
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because you know life got in the way
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Frankle would say yeah make time for it
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make time for it yeah prioritize it okay
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so prioritize those activities even if
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they're you know not huge big things it
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doesn't have to be some Grand thing it
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could be you know spending time in
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nature listening to music having a a
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deep conversation with a friend just
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just make space for those things right
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that really kind of feed your soul yeah
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okay that that makes sense what about
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that second path though the the
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experiencing something or someone deeply
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what does that look like in everyday
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life you know it's about being present
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okay really being there fully engaged in
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in in that moment okay it could be you
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know really savoring a meal losing
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yourself in a in a good book truly
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listening to to someone you care about
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it's about cultivating that sense of
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wonder and uh appreciation for for the
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beauty and and the complexity of life
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even in in the the ordinary the everyday
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stuff yeah that that makes sense to me
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it's about like slowing down paying
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attention soaking it all in yeah but but
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the third path finding meaning and
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suffering I'm I'm still kind of I
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struggling with that one yeah it's it's
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a tough one how do you how do you
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actually do that it it starts with a a
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shift in in how we're seeing things it's
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about about reframing those difficult
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experiences so that they allow us to
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grow to to find the lesson the
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opportunity within the struggle I mean
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that sounds really abstract though can
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you give me like a more concrete example
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okay okay think about a time when you
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went through a a big challenge yeah like
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maybe losing a job a health scare the
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ending of a relationship something like
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that it was probably incredibly painful
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at the time yeah definitely but but
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looking back on it did you learn
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anything from that yeah did it did it
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change you maybe maybe even for the
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better actually yeah I I can think of a
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time um a few years ago I had a a
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project I was leading and it just
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completely fell apart oh wow it was it
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was a huge blow to my confidence but
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looking back I realized that experience
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it it forced me to to develop new skills
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become more resilient learn to to ask
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for help so that's that's a great
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example you you didn't deny the pain but
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you found a way to take meaning from it
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yeah to let it shape you in a in a good
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way yeah yeah okay that's what Frank's
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talking about it's not about about going
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after suffering about finding the
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meaning in the suffering that that comes
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to us it's about recognizing that those
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tough times as painful as they are they
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can be Catalyst for growth right they
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can really push us forward and that
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realization can be like really
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empowering it is it because it means
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even when things are really really hard
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we we still have that power to choose
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our attitude to find meaning to to grow
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from it absolutely all of this I mean
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it's it's inspiring but but it also
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feels like I know you mean a lot of
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responsibility like it's all up to me to
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find meaning in my life you know you're
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right it is it is a responsibility yeah
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but it's also as as Frankle says a
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privilege it means that that we have
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agency we have the power to shape our
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own Destinies right right so we're not
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just passively receiving meaning we're
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actively creating it okay so so what's
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the first step what can I do like today
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to start living a more meaningful life
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you know start by just taking some time
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to reflect on on your values what really
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matters to you what what are you
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passionate about yeah what kind of kind
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of impact do you want to have on the
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world okay that's that's a good starting
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point it is what else what else can I do
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you know look for opportunities to to
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connect with others okay reach out to a
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friend friend volunteer in your
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community or just just start a
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conversation with with somebody new okay
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you know that that human connection is
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is one of the most powerful sources of
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meaning yeah and it can it can really
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bring a sense of purpose even when
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things are tough I I love that and I I'm
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sure you know based on his experiences
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in the camps Frankle would would agree
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any any other advice you'd give practice
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gratitude take a minute each day to just
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to appreciate the good things in your
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life life big or small you know
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gratitude it can really be a powerful
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antidote to negativity and it can it can
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help us to really shift our Focus to to
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what's important this all makes so much
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sense you know it's it's not about
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forcing ourselves to be happy all the
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time it's about finding those things
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yeah finding those sources of meaning
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that that give us meaning that sustain
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us that give us a reason to keep going
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even when when things are tough you got
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it and and frankl's message it's it's
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just as important today as it was you
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know all those years ago right we all
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face challenges yeah we all experience
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suffering we do but we also have the
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capacity to choose meaning to choose
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purpose and to choose a life that is
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that is Rich with both Joy and
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resilience wow this has been such a such
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an insightful Deep dive thank you so
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much oh it's been my pleasure for for
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guiding me through frankl's work I I
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feel like I have a whole new set of
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tools to deal deal with life's ups and
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downs and remember that journey of of
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finding meaning yeah it's it's an
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ongoing thing it's not about about
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reaching some some Final Destination
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right it's about embracing the process
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of of exploring and and questioning and
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growing that's a that's a great reminder
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and to our listeners out there what
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what's one thing that they can take away
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from this from this deep dive that can
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help them on on their own Journey you
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know just remember that you you have
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that power to choose meaning even when
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you're facing suffering start by
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reflecting on your values yeah
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connecting with others and and
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practicing gratitude okay and never give
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up on that search for what makes your
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life truly meaningful thank you so much
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for joining us on this deep dive into
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Man's Search for meaning until next time
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keep searching keep growing and keep