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In this episode of The CrazyFitnessGuy Show, host Jimmy Clare sits down with Sherry Shaban, an athletic therapist, osteopath, and adaptive fitness coach, to explore what fitness looks like when every body, ability, and limitation is truly welcome. Sherry shares how a devastating injury reshaped her approach to movement and why she now focuses on helping people in pain, with chronic conditions, or who feel failed by traditional gym culture find a kinder way to move. Together, Jimmy and Sherry talk about embracing adaptability, listening to your nervous system, and building routines that work with your body instead of against it—especially for autistic and neurodivergent adults who feel overwhelmed by typical fitness advice. You’ll walk away with realistic ideas for starting where you are, reducing shame, and slowly building a fitness practice you can actually enjoy and sustain.
Key Takeaways:
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Why adaptive, inclusive fitness matters for people with injuries, chronic pain, disabilities, and neurodivergent challenges
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How to start where you are and adjust movement to your energy, pain, and sensory needs on any given day
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The role of the nervous system, stress, and mindset in how your body responds to exercise and change
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Practical, judgment‑free strategies to make fitness feel safer, more enjoyable, and truly for every body—not just “gym people”
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Discover why traditional gyms often fail to meet the needs of neurodivergent individuals and learn how to create a more inclusive and effective fitness journey with Crazy Fitness Guy, Jimmy Clare. As a fitness coach and personal trainer, Jimmy Clare has helped numerous individuals achieve their fitness goals through his unique approach to strength training and exercise motivation. On his website, crazyfitnessguy.com, you can find a wealth of information on fitness goals, health journey, and healthy lifestyle. In this video, Jimmy Clare shares his insights on the limitations of traditional gyms and provides valuable gym hacks for those looking to take their fitness to the next level. Whether you're seeking fat loss, fitness motivation, or simply a more enjoyable fit life, Jimmy Clare's expertise as a fitness guy and online fitness coach can help you achieve your objectives. With his guidance, you can embark on a transformative health journey and unlock your full potential. Tune in to learn more about the importance of inclusivity in fitness and how to find a fitness routine that works for you, with Crazy Fitness Guy, Jimmy Clare.
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>> When it comes to recording,
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I got this all under control,
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sort of.
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So,
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uh let's just dive right into this
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episode and
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uh
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if I'm a little all over the place, my
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brain is still with numbers and my math
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and whatnot, and I think I got to be in
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my
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um math quiz today. Holy crap, I just
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pulled a rabbit out of my hat.
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So, today's guest, her name is Sherry.
3:53
And she's a fitness coach and we're
3:56
going to be talking about healthy
3:57
living, etc. I'm going to have her come
4:00
out and
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we're going to go from there.
4:04
Hey, Sherry.
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>> Hey, Jimmy. Nice to see you again.
4:08
>> I know. It's only been what, been what,
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52 seconds?
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>> Something like that.
4:15
>> So, before we get started, can you tell
4:17
us a little bit about who you are, what
4:18
you do, how you got started, and why you
4:21
got started?
4:22
>> Oh, wow. That's a loaded question. My
4:24
name is Sherry Shaban. I am from
4:26
Montreal, Canada. I'm a health and life
4:28
coach.
4:29
And I've been doing this for almost 25
4:31
years. And actually, I kind of stumbled
4:33
in the health and fitness space. I want
4:34
to say a little bit by accident, but
4:36
really the motivation behind it was to
4:39
overcome a major injury. And what that
4:42
means is growing up, Jimmy, I was really
4:44
involved in sports. I was the tomboy. I
4:46
was always competing against the boys in
4:48
class to do more push-ups, to run
4:50
faster. And I was a competitive swimmer
4:52
when I was in elementary school, dabbled
4:54
in all the sports. By the time I got
4:56
into high school, I was playing varsity
4:57
sports. It was normal to be MVP of the
5:01
sports that I was in. It was normal to
5:03
get first place or maximum second place
5:05
in some of my track and field events.
5:08
And this all kind of came to a close
5:10
when I was about 16 years old. And I was
5:14
actually going downtown one day with my
5:16
roommate. I was actually in boarding
5:18
school at that time in Lugano,
5:19
Switzerland. And we were on our way
5:21
downtown to purchase concert tickets for
5:24
Pearl Jam. I don't know. You're a little
5:26
bit young, maybe too young for Pearl
5:27
Jam, but
5:29
You've heard of them. Okay, that's good.
5:31
That's good. That's progress.
5:32
And so, I actually was struck by a car
5:35
that day. I was trying to get back to
5:37
campus as quickly as possible. And I see
5:39
the bus taking off from the station and
5:42
I run across the street. And the next
5:44
thing I know, I'm waking up in the
5:45
hospital.
5:47
And I had blacked out and now my
5:49
roommate is telling me what she had
5:52
witnessed. And so, I was struck by a car
5:54
and then I was lodged completely to the
5:56
opposite side of the sidewalk. And when
5:58
I first came to, I was sore. I had a lot
6:02
of abrasions and scrapes on my face and
6:04
I thought that was the extent of the
6:05
injury. But then I went back to
6:06
basketball practice and I started to
6:09
feel excruciating pain in my right
6:12
glute. And then that continued to get
6:14
more more severe over time and within a
6:17
span of a couple weeks, I couldn't walk.
6:19
I I couldn't shower on my own and I
6:21
needed an immediate emergency surgery.
6:24
And that's when I went back home to see
6:25
my parents. I went to go see the doctor
6:27
and they let me know that, "Hey, you
6:29
have to stop sports. You have to stop
6:31
exercise. Like you can't continue to do
6:33
this. You've really damaged your spine
6:35
and if you continue to train and
6:36
exercise, you're going to have more
6:38
issues and maybe one day if ever you
6:40
were to become pregnant, this could
6:42
create a lot of issues and we have to
6:43
really monitor your back." And so, I was
6:45
told that day that light walking on a
6:47
treadmill would be appropriate for me
6:50
moving forward. And so, I listened to
6:52
this advice for many many years up until
6:55
my early 20s and I just noticed that I
6:57
was getting in more and more
6:59
excruciating back pain. I relied on pain
7:01
medication to get through my day every
7:03
single day. My whole world was about my
7:05
back. How I would sit, where I would
7:07
sit, what kind of car I would drive in.
7:09
If I were to go to a social environment,
7:11
I'd always have to ask the host if it's
7:13
okay to go lie down somewhere, if
7:15
there's a place for me to lie down. And
7:17
so, just in my early 20s, realizing that
7:20
I was now hanging out with a different
7:21
crowd, I was engaging in a lot of habits
7:24
that let's say parents tell us not to
7:26
do,
7:27
I just kind of woke up like, I I don't
7:29
know who I am. Like who is this person?
7:31
I can't even believe that I'm I'm
7:33
engaging against some of these things.
7:34
And so,
7:35
that was the first time I actually
7:37
decided and made the intention to sign
7:39
up at a gym. I had no idea what I was
7:41
doing at that point. Growing up, I was
7:43
only in team sports and in sports in
7:46
general, but no one had ever really
7:47
taught me how to exercise or train in
7:50
the gym. And so, what I ended up doing
7:52
for months is just copying people. I'd
7:53
go in the gym, I'd see an exercise
7:55
people doing something I didn't even
7:57
know what it was for, I would just
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imitate them.
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But, what I did notice is when I stayed
8:01
consistent, my back pain was going away,
8:05
I was able to get off of pain
8:06
medication, I no longer relied on them,
8:09
and I bought a treadmill, I started
8:11
running, and eventually over time, it
8:14
was like, "Oh my goodness, this is my
8:16
aha moment. If I was able to do this,
8:19
and doctors told me that if I did this,
8:21
I'd actually damage my spine, and I was
8:23
never allowed to do this again, but here
8:24
I am
8:25
getting off my pain medication, I wanted
8:28
to help other people do the same. So,
8:30
whether that is an injury a person's
8:32
trying to overcome, whether that's a
8:34
disease that they're struggling with,
8:35
whether that's limiting beliefs, whether
8:37
that's a particular condition, I truly
8:39
believe that fitness is possible for
8:41
everyone. There is a way to do it if you
8:43
believe that you can, and you find the
8:45
right tools, and more importantly, you
8:47
respect your body as to where you are,
8:49
everything is possible.
8:51
>> I totally agree with what you said,
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especially
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the part where
8:58
where fitness is for everyone,
9:01
and because
9:05
that's what I wish I had would see more
9:08
in fitness programs, because it's all
9:11
about
9:12
jumping and then this and then that, and
9:14
it's like
9:16
yeah, and there's and I'm there's
9:19
some workout programs where there is a
9:21
modifier, but then there should be
9:23
somebody else who's a modifier with
9:25
somebody with extra challenges.
9:27
And I I'm not saying like this to be PC
9:30
or whatnot, but you know, let's say
9:34
somebody
9:36
let us pretend
9:37
somebody was in a wheelchair, need a
9:39
workout.
9:41
And but
9:43
then then there should be somebody also
9:46
in a wheelchair or even if they're not
9:49
in a wheelchair, say, "Hey, if you have
9:51
such and such a challenge,
9:54
here you could do this or you could do
9:55
this." And go and I feel like these
9:59
trainers should be able to
10:02
modify for those people with extra
10:04
challenges because you want
10:07
they're not going to necessarily know.
10:09
And they're like, "Well, what can I do
10:11
if I'm in a wheelchair?" I mean, I'm
10:13
not, but I'm just saying for people in
10:16
general. It's like, "Well, how do I
10:17
modify this move?" Well, they're not
10:19
going to be doing squats. That's one
10:21
thing.
10:23
And then there's
10:24
uh
10:25
and then there's other
10:27
I I don't know.
10:29
It just like I just feel like that that
10:31
that needs to change.
10:33
And then I also think that
10:36
and I
10:37
and you know,
10:38
I I have a
10:40
I placed
10:41
I did I I'm currently still in sports.
10:43
Like I do karate three times a week. But
10:46
I've injured myself a few times. I
10:49
didn't break anything. I mean, as a kid
10:52
I grown up, I broke my left arm on
10:55
purpose, of course. But it
10:58
Well, technically it was like
11:00
the bro the the break in the arm was it
11:04
was a stupid kind of
11:06
how how my arm broke. Uh
11:08
I was on the basketball court
11:10
uh with bunch of my friends playing
11:13
basketball.
11:14
I fell down. And then some kid ran over
11:17
my arm on
11:21
with the with his feet. And so he
11:23
stepped on my wrist and stepped on my
11:25
and I was like, "Ow!"
11:27
I didn't know at the time, but then
11:29
afterwards it's like, "I think there's
11:31
something wrong with my arm and what
11:34
I'd say they took me to the emergency
11:36
room and everything and I was like
11:38
and I later I found out that I broke it
11:40
and
11:41
I had to wear a cast for multiple weeks
11:43
and I was like oh this sucks.
11:48
>> You know you bring up such a good point
11:50
Jimmy around how really exercise should
11:53
be shown to us as adaptable and
11:56
inclusive to everyone. And what's super
11:59
interesting around that concept is just
12:01
similar to social media, it almost seems
12:04
like everyone just wants to show you
12:05
that quote unquote what should be or the
12:07
best or what looks like perfect. And I
12:09
think this is a really big issue
12:11
especially now when we understand that
12:12
there's filters and there's
12:14
photoshopping and there's all these
12:15
things and so we tend to be shown the
12:19
right stuff and we tend to be shown what
12:22
perfection is.
12:24
And when you notice too whenever you
12:26
look at anyone who got progress in the
12:28
gym, they don't always show you the
12:30
before photos, they'll show you the
12:31
after photos and no one never really
12:33
wants to show you the journey and no one
12:34
ever wants to show you the struggle and
12:36
so you bring up such a beautiful and
12:37
very valuable point. And I couldn't
12:39
agree more because there were moments
12:41
and I mean I've had surgery on my back
12:43
twice. I I actually ended up having a
12:45
second back surgery in 2012 where I was
12:47
millimeters away from paralysis. So this
12:49
whole story about the wheelchair, that
12:52
that could have been my life and that's
12:53
that's a reality for me and and there
12:55
are days where I still continue to
12:57
experience back pain or issues that may
13:00
limit me. But there's a
13:02
a great need for gratitude first and
13:04
foremost to just be able to have
13:07
whatever we currently have and we don't
13:08
always get to choose that. We don't get
13:09
to choose how we look. We don't get to
13:11
choose what we're dealt with and we all
13:13
have something. I truly believe we all
13:14
have some sort of struggle and we all
13:16
have some sort of obstacle. But I think
13:18
what really helps and kind of coming
13:20
back to what you said earlier is for us
13:22
to focus on what we can do versus what
13:25
we can't do. And so for me, for example,
13:28
when I've had surgery twice, they've
13:30
removed pieces of my spine. So, two
13:33
lumbar lumbar vertebrae, they've
13:35
actually had to remove a piece of that
13:37
bone to create space for the disc so
13:40
that doesn't continue to compress on the
13:41
nerves. And so, I don't have that type
13:44
of reinforcement or let's call it that
13:46
shock absorbance that, let's say, a
13:48
healthy spine would have. So, I actually
13:51
am very limited, let's say, with the
13:52
amount of weight that I can do or that I
13:54
can lift and the type of impact that I
13:56
can apply on my spine. And so, I've
13:58
always been very also mindful of
14:01
rotation movements and flexion
14:02
movements. But, if I continue to focus
14:04
on what I can't do, if I continue to
14:06
focus on what my limitations are, that's
14:09
that feels trapping. That feels like I'm
14:11
stuck. And so, what I ended up doing
14:14
actually is focusing on the things that
14:15
I can do. And that now I realize, wow,
14:18
that's that's a longer list than the
14:20
things that I can't do. And so, if we
14:22
all take that position,
14:24
where first and foremost, we understand
14:25
that what we see on social media is what
14:27
people want us to see. It's not really
14:29
the truth of what's going on. It's what
14:31
people want us to see. And secondly,
14:33
instead of focusing on the things that
14:35
we can't do, just like focusing on the
14:36
things that we don't have, what we can
14:38
do is start to focus on, well, what can
14:40
I do? And for me, what I realized that I
14:43
could do is a lot of bodyweight
14:44
movements. And so, that's actually how
14:46
I've learned to adapt to my condition.
14:49
That's how I've learned to strengthen
14:50
myself. That's how I've achieved the
14:52
majority of my fitness really is through
14:54
bodyweight movements. If I do use any
14:56
equipment, it's very, very lightweight.
14:58
And because of that, it forced me to be
15:01
creative. It forced me to be curious and
15:03
I developed a lot of different training
15:05
programs that just require bodyweight.
15:07
And then eventually, I launched an app
15:08
called the Hit Deck app that's just
15:10
designed around that concept. Because
15:12
really, why do we need to be able to
15:14
deadlift a bus? Why do we need to be
15:16
able to have these particular, quote
15:17
unquote, standards that society says is
15:19
what we should be doing? What we
15:21
actually should be doing is tuning into
15:23
our body, and we all are unique, and we
15:25
all have different limitations in
15:27
different ways. Sometimes it's just a
15:28
mind block, and it's not even a physical
15:30
limitation, perhaps such as mine. And
15:32
so, what's important again to notice is
15:34
that we stay in our own lane, and when
15:37
we stay in our own lane, then that's
15:39
where we can actually see the magic
15:40
happening. And that's one thing that I I
15:42
always take with me from my swimming
15:44
days. So, back when I was a a young girl
15:47
and I was swimming, I remember this one
15:48
day that my coach said to me, and I was
15:51
very competitive, Jimmy. I always have
15:53
to get first place, like that was my
15:54
thing. But, he said to me, "Sherri,
15:56
every time you turn around to see what's
15:59
happening in the lane next to you, you
16:01
slow down. Stop Stop turning to see
16:03
who's next to you. Who cares? Just keep
16:05
looking straight straight. Stay in your
16:07
own lane." And that's when my motto in
16:09
my life, I stay in my own lane. I really
16:10
just challenge myself for myself. And
16:13
again, I just am so accepting of what I
16:15
can't do, and instead tend to focus on
16:18
what I can do.
16:21
>> And so,
16:23
before I ask you a couple questions,
16:27
I really
16:29
I feel like you and me have some
16:31
similarities a little bit, and
16:34
here's why.
16:36
Uh
16:36
and
16:38
like
16:39
I had a back pain last last year when I
16:43
was before I went to Ireland for my
16:46
dad's birthday.
16:47
>> [snorts]
16:47
>> And
16:48
and he and I don't know where my I don't
16:52
know what caused it. I have no idea why
16:55
it flared up.
16:56
I don't know what I did to injure it. I
16:58
don't even know if I really injured it
17:00
or what not. And my doctors couldn't
17:03
tell me. No one could tell me. I'm like,
17:08
"Great. So, no one can tell me."
17:10
And so, my doctor gave me
17:12
uh
17:13
medicine to get it to an
17:15
anti-inflammatory medicine to I got to
17:19
go with this one to go down
17:21
and
17:22
and then one thing I have
17:24
I put together in the puzzle pieces in
17:26
my head it took me like a when I was
17:29
there in Ireland for 10 days so it took
17:32
me about 7 days to finally put the two
17:35
pieces together
17:37
and so I decided the last 3 days I'm
17:40
going to go on the on the Mediterranean
17:43
diet.
17:44
>> Ooh.
17:45
>> And because it's like wait
17:46
anti-inflammatory medicine
17:48
anti-inflammatory
17:50
as I look around as I
17:52
as I never said I was a genius it just
17:54
takes me
17:55
a little bit of time as I I knew there's
17:57
something with the anti-inflammatory and
18:00
as I wait you got to let me try it and
18:02
it was a good time for me to try it. I
18:05
mean always consult with your doctor but
18:07
I was not going to pay Verizon $10 a
18:09
month and $10 a day in
18:13
in Ireland so I was like I don't think
18:15
they get enough money anyway so let's
18:16
screw that. So
18:18
what I did I finally
18:20
so I decided let me try this worst case
18:24
I get the benefit only the nutritional
18:26
benefits and not the anti-inflammatory
18:29
benefits and it was a perfect time for
18:31
me to start because they had
18:35
on the Mediterranean diet you can eat
18:37
beans and they had baked beans and for
18:40
breakfast and so I was like okay as I
18:44
as I it's like they handed me on a
18:45
silver platter as I
18:47
but then suddenly here we go
18:50
and so I tried it for a week and I've
18:52
been on it ever since because I have my
18:56
back feels great my knees feels great
18:58
and I hadn't
19:00
and during that time before my
19:02
before my around my back was hurting I
19:05
was having knee pain too
19:07
and then I had a slight arthritis in my
19:10
knee and so I but like lately
19:15
for months now, I haven't feeling any
19:18
back pain or knee pain. And as I
19:21
I love this thing. As I think it's an
19:23
inflammatory diet, I really appreciate
19:25
it.
19:28
As I
19:29
but the reason why I say it was similar
19:31
because
19:33
because like I have back pain, you have
19:35
back pain, but then I also have a spinal
19:39
stenosis in my neck. So, I know what
19:41
it's like to have
19:43
strict
19:44
limitations. Not it's probably very
19:48
smart of me to be in karate with spinal
19:50
stenosis.
19:52
But
19:53
at least it's better than grappling and
19:55
this is
19:57
it's probably
19:59
just
20:00
maybe not 100% but it's still twice less
20:04
severe than basketball because
20:06
you know, in basketball people like
20:08
climb on top of you and that can damage
20:11
my neck versus at least in karate you're
20:14
sparring with somebody one-on-one. You
20:16
know what they're doing. And then then
20:19
you know what they're throwing at you,
20:20
so you know what to block. And you at
20:22
least you have that chance to block
20:24
versus basketball you might fly across
20:26
the half of the court.
20:28
>> [snorts]
20:29
>> And
20:30
and so, again, I'm not saying I'm the
20:33
smartest person, but I I do watch out
20:35
for my neck because my insurance company
20:38
will not do that. Uh
20:41
I I yeah, I'm not going to bash my
20:43
shirt. Oh yeah, I did bash them. Who
20:44
gives a crap? I know.
20:46
Yeah.
20:47
But so so I just wanted to point that
20:49
and then
20:50
so I know my limitations and but I focus
20:54
on hey, here's what I can do. Here is
20:57
like when I need to modify something in
20:59
karate like for instance like I can't do
21:02
lunges anymore and because my physical
21:04
therapist told me, "If you ever do
21:06
another lunge again, you can come back
21:08
in here and I'll help fix it. But as I
21:10
but don't come crying to me and say I
21:13
told you so.
21:14
And he's like so I was like
21:17
Okay, no more lunges. So I told all my
21:20
instructors instructors can't do it. And
21:23
he's like okay. Do squats, do any of
21:26
them exercise you can think of. Just as
21:29
long as you can
21:31
keep doing something in strengthening. I
21:32
said
21:34
So I took out double and I took out half
21:36
burpees because my knees
21:38
point in worse than banging.
21:40
And half burpees. I can do a full
21:42
burpee, but I just don't like them
21:44
backwards. I just step backwards as fast
21:47
as I can because
21:49
my wrist I feel like they're weak.
21:52
Especially when somebody shoot bro
21:54
uh broke it uh
21:56
years ago years ago when I growing up.
21:58
So I was like yeah, my wrist isn't the
22:00
best.
22:03
>> You know, I love what you said there
22:05
about inflammation and just noticing
22:07
certain foods that create inflammation
22:08
and the importance of an
22:10
anti-inflammatory diet. And this is so
22:13
pertinent and this is so important for
22:15
all of us to consider because when we
22:18
actually focus on gut health, which
22:20
means when we're focusing on first the
22:23
actual integrity of the gut and then the
22:25
microbiome, what we can also start to
22:28
notice is that certain foods that create
22:30
inflammation in the gut actually also
22:32
create inflammation everywhere else in
22:34
the body. And to your point, that's why
22:35
you end up seeing it and feeling it in a
22:37
lot of different places. In the back and
22:39
then in the shoulder and in the knees
22:40
and then in the neck and all the places
22:41
where there is arthritis or there's
22:43
already sort of a breakdown of any sort
22:46
of tissue, then the inflammatory
22:48
response will leak out into there, too.
22:50
And I noticed that, too, Jimmy. There's
22:52
certain foods that when I consume, I'm
22:54
going to feel my back. And so things
22:56
like refined sugars, things like white
22:59
flour and really gluten in general,
23:01
things like dairy. So those are the
23:03
types of things I tend to avoid, like
23:05
avoid like a plague because not because
23:08
of the the calories and all the things
23:10
that we hear about why we shouldn't be
23:12
eating these foods, but really because I
23:14
notice when I eat them, I don't feel
23:16
well. I I feel it in my stomach, I get
23:18
bloated, and then more importantly, now
23:20
I'm experiencing back pain.
23:22
And so, we are what we eat, and we are
23:25
what we hear, we are what we watch, we
23:26
are what we listen to. So, our diet is
23:28
actually not just what we're ingesting,
23:30
but our diet is all of the things that
23:32
we're actually consuming through our
23:33
body. Even our breath is part of our
23:35
diet. And so, all of these things
23:37
actually will create inflammation. So,
23:40
if I'm in a very stressful or toxic
23:41
environment and I'm always hearing a lot
23:43
of negative things or I'm always in in a
23:45
watching the news and it's really
23:46
disturbing to me, I'm going to actually
23:48
notice that I I create a lot of that
23:49
cortisol. So, I I trigger that part of
23:51
the nervous system that's responsible
23:53
for really driving some of those
23:55
processes. And so, just important to
23:56
know that we don't necessarily want to
23:59
always look at food as calories in
24:00
equals calories out. But, when we can
24:02
actually look past that and ask
24:04
ourselves, how does this food interact
24:06
with my body particularly? Because maybe
24:08
Jimmy thrives off thrives off of a
24:10
Mediterranean diet, but I might actually
24:13
notice that when I eat more plant-based
24:15
or more vegan and I don't Well, actually
24:17
Mediterranean diet doesn't really have a
24:18
lot of meat in general. But, if I start
24:20
to remove some of that dairy and some of
24:22
the yogurt and some of the things that
24:23
are in there, I actually might feel
24:25
better. And so, it's not a
24:26
one-size-fits-all.
24:28
And that's what's really, really
24:28
important. And I think this is That's
24:30
what our conversation has been about
24:32
this whole time is just like when it
24:33
comes to exercise, we focus on what we
24:36
can do for ourselves. When it comes to
24:38
nutrition, let me also get curious
24:40
around how this feels in my body. And
24:42
just because I heard my friend or I
24:44
heard Jimmy had amazing results on these
24:45
things, let me try it and see how it
24:47
works for me. And if it doesn't work for
24:49
me, it doesn't mean that I'm broken.
24:51
Doesn't mean that I wasn't disciplined.
24:52
Didn't mean that I didn't try hard
24:54
enough. It really just means that maybe
24:56
I have to find something else that fits
24:58
better for me. And we all come from
24:59
different backgrounds. And that's the
25:01
whole point is this this idea of
25:03
individuality. Why can't we all just
25:05
again, stay in our lane and just focus
25:07
on what feels right for me in terms of
25:09
nutrition and what feels right for me in
25:11
terms of movement.
25:14
>> I like it that she said that because you
25:17
know, I
25:18
we are so focusing on like, "Hey, you
25:20
know, this person does this. This first
25:23
person does this person also has like
25:28
has great abs or whatever." And I was
25:31
like, "You can You can get there one
25:33
day, but you know,
25:34
it doesn't have to be the end all be
25:36
all." And I was like, "Yeah,
25:38
I don't I don't think it's even
25:41
the healthiest to have super huge big
25:43
muscles because you you know,
25:46
one,
25:47
that that feels like it's impossible.
25:49
And two,
25:51
it's like, "Is your arms a little fake
25:53
there?
25:54
All right."
25:55
And I And I'm not going to name anybody
25:58
or anything, but somebody comes to mind
26:01
and maybe somebody can guess, but
26:03
>> [laughter]
26:04
>> uh but
26:06
it is kind of like, "Um did you take
26:09
something to enhance that?"
26:12
>> Right. And then And then why? I think my
26:14
question is always why, right? So, why
26:17
do we need to have these really really
26:19
really really big arms? What is What is
26:21
the purpose? Why do we need to be able
26:23
to deadlift 500 lb, which I've seen so
26:25
many people injure their back through.
26:27
So, why, right? And is it because
26:29
somebody else did it? Is because I think
26:31
I should? Is because I'm trying to maybe
26:33
pressure myself to be something else? Or
26:36
maybe that's what I've always heard is
26:37
success. And so, it always has to come
26:39
down to that, right? And And And to your
26:41
point, if size mattered, then the
26:43
elephant would be the king of the
26:45
jungle. And so, again, just working with
26:47
our own genetics, how can we really
26:49
fine-tune what that process can look for
26:51
it like for us.
26:53
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27:26
So, my last and which my few questions
27:28
are for you is
27:31
What
27:32
What do you think people could eat
27:35
differently when it comes to fitness
27:38
and prevent keep staying healthy and not
27:43
and try to prevent injury?
27:45
>> Mhm. So good. So, not not just to
27:49
prevent an injury, but I would say even
27:51
to create sustainability and longevity.
27:55
What I would say is how about we move
27:58
away from outcome-focused goals to
28:01
system-focused goals, which means this.
28:04
So, instead of for example, someone's
28:06
listening, instead of focusing on I want
28:08
to release the 30 lb and notice I don't
28:11
use the word lose cuz lose means I'm
28:13
going to try to find something that I no
28:14
longer have, but release means I'm
28:17
letting it go. So, if let's say someone
28:19
has a goal to release 30 lb, instead of
28:21
focusing on that being the goal, what if
28:24
instead we asked ourselves, well, what
28:26
do I have to do to become the person
28:29
who's 30 lb lighter?
28:31
And now that starts to look different
28:32
because now I have a system. Now I have
28:35
a formula. A formula that's
28:37
reproducible, that's going to always
28:39
give me the same result. Because really,
28:41
that outcome that we want is going to be
28:42
the side effect of what our system that
28:46
is running it's, right? So, that can be
28:49
for example starting to add in different
28:51
habits. So, I heard that the
28:52
Mediterranean diet is an
28:54
anti-inflammatory diet. It also focus on
28:56
focuses on whole foods. So, let me try
28:58
that for 30 days. I also heard walking
29:00
is really great as non-purposeful
29:02
exercise. Let me also try that for 30
29:05
days and see what happens. Maybe I
29:06
should consume more water. Maybe I'm
29:08
noticing I'm not getting enough water.
29:09
Maybe I have to focus on getting higher
29:11
quality sleep. So, as I start to put in
29:14
all of these small habits one at a time,
29:16
really focusing on 24 hours also at a
29:18
time. What can I do in my 24-hour period
29:20
to master that, what I start to notice
29:22
is that I'm now actually adopting more
29:25
sustainable habits. And if I did try
29:27
something that didn't give me the result
29:29
that I wanted or that maybe didn't even
29:31
work with me or align with my schedule
29:32
or my lifestyle, then I could release
29:34
that habit and try a different one. But
29:36
ultimately, what we're going to focus on
29:38
is really a full transformation.
29:40
Transformation of identity,
29:41
transformation of lifestyle instead of
29:44
just focusing on the outcome or the
29:46
result. Because here's what most people
29:48
do. The moment that they achieve their
29:50
goal, their weight loss goal, cuz that's
29:51
generally the goal that most people
29:53
have, they stop working. So, as soon as
29:55
they've gotten they've finished their
29:57
12-week program, they've released their
29:59
30 pounds. All right, I'm done. Now, let
30:01
me go back to the way it was. And it's
30:02
almost like this rubber band effect. So,
30:05
when we don't change our identity, which
30:07
is our lifestyle, which is the
30:08
accumulation of our daily habits, it's
30:10
almost like that rubber band effect
30:12
where I'm holding one end of the rubber
30:13
band and then I pull it up until it's
30:15
max and then as soon as I let go, it's
30:17
going to go right back to its starting
30:18
point. So, instead, what I want to do is
30:21
be able to have a new pivot point. And
30:23
that pivot point is going to be where I
30:26
want to go. As I start to focus on who I
30:28
want to become, what I want to actually
30:30
start to incorporate into my day-to-day
30:32
life, are the habits that are going to
30:34
align with that person that I want to
30:36
become and not just the results that I
30:38
want to have.
30:40
>> I definitely like that
30:42
uh
30:42
that analogy, like a rubber band. My my
30:46
karate instructors always talked about
30:48
the
30:50
when some people hit a plateau, they try
30:53
something different, and then goes falls
30:55
back down, and tries again, and then go
30:58
this and that.
30:59
And we always say in karate, as like, be
31:02
the person who hits the plateau, then
31:06
keeps going and hits the next plateau
31:08
until you hit the next one, hit the next
31:10
one. Keep going up versus
31:12
Yeah, let's start over from
31:14
um plane A again. I was like, oh, I just
31:16
got to F, now they go back to A. Yeah.
31:20
Right. [snorts]
31:21
>> Yeah.
31:22
>> It's a mind game, it's the real.
31:24
>> Good point. And And it's interesting
31:25
because
31:26
we tend to also repeat that same cycle
31:28
over and over again. We try one diet,
31:30
all right, I've lost a whole bunch of
31:32
weight, and then all of a sudden I start
31:33
eating normally, and then I went back to
31:35
where it was. Let me try another diet,
31:36
maybe it was that diet. And then we try
31:37
another one. And then we're like, oh, I
31:39
lost a whole bunch of weight, and I'm
31:40
using the word lost right now because
31:41
I'm I'm just quoting what I generally
31:43
hear. But we'll notice that we're we're
31:45
constantly repeating the same pattern
31:47
over and over again expecting a
31:48
different result. And you know what they
31:50
call that, right right here, Jimmy?
31:51
>> Insanity.
31:52
>> Exactly, right? It's like, oh, this time
31:54
it's going to work, right? But what they
31:56
all had in common was there was this
31:58
extreme thing that we were doing that
32:00
was not sustainable, number one. And
32:02
number two, everything had a deadline.
32:04
And that is the issue with diets is that
32:06
we actually put a deadline on it. I only
32:08
have to do this for a month. I only have
32:10
to do this for 12 weeks. I'm on a 6-week
32:12
challenge. I only have to do this for 6
32:13
weeks. Or the 75 Hard, oh my goodness, I
32:16
only have to do this for 75 days. So,
32:18
you see all these people, and and if it
32:20
works for them, that's really great. But
32:22
I'm not trying to demonize any type of
32:24
challenge or program if it works for
32:26
you. What I'm actually trying to do is
32:28
ask you to question whether or not
32:30
putting that a deadline on something
32:32
that you're doing for yourself is
32:34
actually working for you. And that's
32:36
what we commonly see with the 75 hard as
32:38
an example. People are working out twice
32:40
a day, which for most people is not
32:42
sustainable long-term. And they're
32:43
radically changing the way they eat.
32:45
They're radically changing a lot of
32:46
different things in their life. They
32:47
have to read every day. There's all
32:48
these things that they have to do to to
32:50
keep up with the 75-day challenge. But
32:53
what they know is at the moment that the
32:55
day is that day is done, then they're
32:56
also done. They don't have to work out
32:58
twice a day anymore. They don't have to
33:00
read every single day anymore. So,
33:01
there's a deadline that has already been
33:04
placed in advance. At the moment that
33:05
you cross that finish line, that's it.
33:07
No more work has to be done. And one of
33:09
the hardest things that the body endures
33:12
is this constant lack of stability. So,
33:14
going super extreme, releasing a lot of
33:17
weight, and then going back to the other
33:18
extreme. That's hard on the body because
33:20
the body is a master adapter. It loves
33:23
homeostasis. So, when you add in one
33:25
habit, allow yourself to adapt to it.
33:27
That is way more positive. That's more
33:29
sustainable. And that's going to give
33:30
you long-term results. And results come
33:33
from consistency. It doesn't come from
33:35
the intensity. So, something like a 75
33:37
hard that's super intense for only 75
33:39
days, that's why results are only also
33:42
short-lived. But if you really want
33:44
lasting results, focus on consistency.
33:46
How can you establish consistency? Once
33:48
you establish consistency, now add the
33:51
intensity.
33:52
>> So, my last three questions for you.
33:54
Who's your favorite podcaster in my feel
33:57
free not to say me.
33:59
>> Actually, I'm going to say Jimmy Clare.
34:01
>> Exactly.
34:04
>> And and without even queuing me for
34:05
that, I have to say I I you know, I'm
34:07
super honored to to have participated in
34:09
in really a lot of amazing uh well-known
34:12
podcasts. But really in Jimmy, I have to
34:14
say something about today's conversation
34:16
super touched my heart. I have a lot a
34:18
lot of respect and admiration for you
34:20
and what you're doing and your mission.
34:22
And you're so easy to talk to. So, good
34:24
job. I love it. Please don't stop what
34:26
you're doing. I mean, we need more
34:27
people like you in our world who are
34:29
doing this work, who are reminding us
34:31
that there is no need to look for
34:34
perfection. There's no need to feel like
34:36
we need to fix ourselves in a certain
34:37
way. We all deserve to be here and we're
34:39
all worthy of being here and worthy of
34:42
having fitness being possible for us at
34:44
any time.
34:45
>> And I also see behind you that do you
34:47
have a podcast?
34:49
>> I do. It's called Fall in Love with
34:50
Fitness.
34:52
>> Oh, I would love to be a guest if you
34:53
ever be open to it.
34:55
>> Oh my goodness, it's like you read my
34:56
mind again.
34:58
>> I can I'm very psychic.
35:01
>> We're a pretty good team, I would say.
35:03
>> Awesome. And my last question for you is
35:06
where can people follow you and find you
35:08
on to learn more about who you are?
35:11
>> Well, thank you so much for this
35:12
opportunity first and foremost, Jimmy.
35:14
I've really had a great time
35:16
talking with you today. And if you want
35:18
to reach out, you can find me at Sherry
35:20
Shabang Fitness on Instagram, also on
35:23
any social media platform. I do have a
35:25
YouTube channel. And then also, of
35:27
course, Fall in Love with Fitness.
35:28
There's a lot of great resources there,
35:30
too. I'm going to have amazing speakers
35:32
on there, and Jimmy also on there soon.
35:35
So, check that out.
35:37
>> Awesome. I Let's stay in touch and I
35:39
hope to get you back on the the show
35:41
again because I think
35:43
I definitely believe we can talk about
35:45
like this for um hours and hours and
35:47
hours and hours and more hours.
35:50
>> Well, you're easy to talk to, too.
35:53
>> Well, thank you. I would be honored to.
35:55
>> Awesome. I hope you have a good rest of
35:57
your day and we'll stay in touch.
36:00
>> Thank you.
36:02
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36:04
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