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The Power of Connection: Jimmy Clare’s Experience with Healing and Authentic Conversations
Jul 31, 2026
In this episode of the CrazyFitnessGuy® Show, host Jimmy Clare reconnects with Tim Thomas, the founder of Breathwork in Bed, for a candid discussion about mental health, resilience, and the power of authentic connection. Tim shares his journey over the past year, including how breathwork has supported his sleep, mental clarity, and ability to navigate chronic pain and depression. They also explore the effects of medication on mental health and why asking the right questions in healthcare settings can change the course of treatment and recovery.
Tim recounts his near‑death experience with a shark and uses it to reflect on trust, vulnerability, and confronting fear in high‑stakes moments. Throughout the conversation, Jimmy and Tim highlight the importance of community, transparency, and taking bold but realistic steps toward personal growth and healing.
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How breathwork can improve sleep and mental clarity Why advocating for yourself and asking questions in healthcare matters Approaches to navigating chronic pain and finding resilience with support Lessons from near‑death experiences and the role of trust in difficult situations Support the Show
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Join Jimmy Clare, also known as CrazyFitnessGuy, as he shares his personal experience with healing and the importance of authentic conversations in maintaining good mental health. Through his journey, Jimmy has learned the value of breathwork, self-advocacy, and resilience in managing chronic pain and promoting overall wellness, particularly for those in the neurodivergent community. By prioritizing authentic connection and healthcare advocacy, individuals can develop the tools needed to navigate complex healthcare systems and find effective sleep support. Jimmy's story highlights the power of connection in fostering a deeper understanding of mental health and neurodivergent wellness, and how this connection can lead to greater empathy, compassion, and healing. By engaging in authentic conversations and prioritizing our well-being, we can work towards creating a more supportive and inclusive community that values the importance of mental health and wellness.
0:00 Unleashing Inner Awesomeness
0:38 The AI Frustration Factor
1:55 Reconnecting After a Year
3:50 Morning Light and Circadian Rhythms
5:38 The Reality of Solo Entrepreneurship
9:04 Medication Side Effects and Recovery
11:50 Authenticity as the New Currency
20:18 Near-Death Experiences and Perspective
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Get ready to unleash your inner
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Fitness Guy Show hosted by Jimmy Claire,
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Now, let's dive into the show.
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Welcome to another episode of the Crazy
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Fitness Guy Show/ Rico Motivation with
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Crazy Fitness Guy. Before I introduce
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you, my guest, I have to say, you know
0:50
how people are worried that AI is going
0:52
to take over the world and uh and
0:54
everyone's jobs? Well, you shouldn't
0:57
because I'm gonna about to kill AI at
0:59
some point. [laughter]
1:01
That little crap keeps on saying, "Hey,
1:03
you know, you want to do this
1:05
automation? Here's this one automation.
1:07
It's only going to take you five minutes
1:09
to set up." Two hours later, still not
1:12
set up, and I want to rip its head off
1:14
where I know it's only virtually, but
1:18
mark my words, AI is going to die. And
1:21
I'm going to be the Terminator who takes
1:23
it down. Damn it. [laughter]
1:26
Where's your data centers? It's
1:29
okay. I kid, but you know, that little
1:32
crap um just had enough of it today.
1:34
Everyone's like, "Damn you." Anyway, uh
1:37
today's guest, uh Tim Thomas is back and
1:42
he's the founder of Breath in Bed. Uh he
1:45
also sponsors my show. Thank you. I
1:47
appreciate your help and support of the
1:50
show. I bet down to you.
1:57
Uh, Jimmy, it's great to be here and I
1:59
can't believe it's been a year since we
2:01
uh we were last on the show together.
2:03
>> Yikes. It's been a year. I feel old.
2:06
>> How old are you, Jimmy?
2:08
>> 32.
2:09
>> 32. Okay. Well, I'm sure you get it all
2:12
the time. You got a You got a very young
2:13
complexion. It's It's Do you get much
2:16
sun on you over there in Pennsylvania?
2:19
>> Not in the winter.
2:21
>> Yeah. Yeah.
2:22
I think you need those happy lights
2:24
installed in your place cuz lights that
2:27
just give you light that's only a very
2:29
limited frequency. You can get these
2:31
happy lights or seasonal lights that
2:33
give you a a bigger spectrum. It
2:35
actually um super healthy for us to get
2:39
sunshine on us or as close as possible
2:41
to sunshine. Um in Australia we are
2:45
blessed with a lot of natural light. Um,
2:49
and uh, yeah, I always wonder in the
2:52
winter months, do you guys have like
2:55
those infrared sauna or these day beds?
2:59
Do what what do you guys do to
3:00
compensate for your lack of light or do
3:02
you just drink more and get cranky?
3:03
>> Uh, I think the second part,
3:07
I don't drink, so I'm just cranky.
3:11
[laughter]
3:15
But I do actually have a light that
3:17
actually does get me up for my seasonal
3:20
effective disorder. So, uh it's very
3:23
slim because obviously there's not much
3:26
space there.
3:27
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and and you can
3:29
get them in all shapes. I mean, I even
3:31
have I've got one. Can you see that red
3:33
light on me? Yeah. Okay. Well, that
3:36
that's my red light. And that that sort
3:38
of you can change the the spectrum of it
3:41
to be near infrared, far infrared, you
3:44
know, penetrate your skin to to activate
3:46
your your activate your your your light
3:49
receptive cells. Um, and the more I do
3:52
this work because the funny thing is
3:54
being a, you know, the breath work in
3:56
bed sleep specialist, I get so many
3:58
people asking what's the best thing I
4:00
can do to get to sleep and they always
4:02
think it's a evening routine. And yes,
4:05
there are things you can do in the
4:06
evening. But one of the most powerful
4:08
things that I tell people is actually
4:11
what you do in the morning. If you a lot
4:15
of people don't know that the first
4:16
spectrum of light coming over the
4:18
horizon at sunrise has a very unique
4:21
frequency but once it goes through your
4:23
eyes and these eyes have to be naked and
4:25
I know you've got good-looking glasses
4:27
on Jimmy but you to get your your light
4:30
intake you can't have anything between
4:32
not even a glass framed between your eye
4:35
and and that sunrise and it goes through
4:38
your retina and it hits a part of your
4:39
brain called the supercarismatic
4:40
nucleus. I hope I said that right. And
4:43
that part of your brain releases all
4:45
these naturally beneficial chemicals.
4:49
But one thing it does is gets all your
4:52
internal clocks in sync. Okay? All your
4:56
circadian rhythms in sync. So, you know,
4:59
if you've ever had the experience of,
5:01
okay, end of the day, really tired,
5:03
flick the lights off, get into bed, and
5:05
there's a part of you still at still
5:07
running around looking for work. there's
5:10
an internal clock that's potentially on
5:13
the wrong timing. So, taking the time to
5:16
look at that sunrise is one of the best
5:19
things you can do to tell to have your
5:22
your clocks in balance so when you go to
5:24
sleep, you actually uh can drift into
5:27
that space uh with everyone running off
5:29
the same, you know, timeline.
5:33
That's what I Yeah, I try to I always do
5:36
that every single night, too. Uh, you
5:40
know, last year, let's say, I got into
5:42
some bad habits towards the end of the
5:45
year. Uh, I was finishing up some
5:48
annoying
5:49
projects. I
5:52
let me just paint you a picture real
5:55
quick. So, I'm only one person for
5:59
running my business, right? don't have
6:00
anybody working for me. I don't even
6:02
have an office. I'm using my bedroom. Uh
6:05
there, see my my bed and karate belt.
6:08
See, it looks amazing, right? Uh well,
6:12
that's what happens when you run a
6:13
online business. You don't get you don't
6:15
need any fancy offices or anything. Uh
6:19
but so I
6:23
last summer before my migraine started,
6:26
I thought of, hey, you if I could hand
6:29
off marketing to an AI agent to help me
6:34
market my brand more and be more
6:37
consistent. That way, when I'm in
6:39
college classes, I don't have to worry
6:41
about, oh crap, I forgot to promote
6:44
this. Oh, oh crap, I forgot to do this.
6:47
So, fast forward,
6:50
well, I got all the marketing stuff set
6:53
up, but it was towards the end of the
6:57
year and I was kind of just rushing
7:01
through everything trying to get
7:02
everything done. And I overworked
7:07
and on top of all that, I a six-month
7:11
migraine that didn't go away for six
7:14
months, which was so much fun. And on
7:17
top of that, my depression was like
7:20
literally just was out of control. And
7:24
so I was like, "Oh, I love this so
7:27
much." And I had a neur I have a
7:29
neurologist who was [clears throat] me
7:32
on these different medications.
7:35
One that literally almost killed me in
7:37
the shower. Uh,
7:40
>> how does that kill you in the shower?
7:42
>> Well, one, it causes muscle out. uh it
7:46
caused muscle weakness. And I said to
7:48
her, I was like, "You forgot to tell me
7:50
that that caused muscle weakness." She's
7:52
like, "I don't think I forgot to tell
7:54
you that." I was like, "I don't care
7:56
what you have to say." Uh I'm like, "I
7:59
think even if I had even during my
8:02
six-month migraine, I would think I
8:04
would remember and recall you telling me
8:07
the top three most common side effects.
8:11
And one of them happened to must be
8:12
muscle weakness." It's like great. So,
8:17
>> were you training karate when you were
8:18
taking this? Did you notice anything
8:19
different there?
8:21
>> Oh, yeah. I noticed there was there was
8:23
a lot of difference uh in karate and
8:27
whatnot. Like I had a lot of fatigue.
8:32
Uh, and but I I at least what I at least
8:37
the one thing I know the migraine was
8:39
caused from a medic my one of my my old
8:43
anti-depressants. So it was so at least
8:46
I knew what caused it and what finally
8:49
got rid of it was my last hospital
8:52
visited
8:53
even though my neurologist said, "Oh, I
8:57
helped you fix it." It was like,
9:02
>> but I just say terror is like whatever
9:03
helps you sleep at night,
9:04
>> right?
9:06
Yeah. No. Um, so if I'm hearing you
9:08
right, Jimmy, a pill for your depression
9:11
caused your migraine headaches. And was
9:13
it the pills you took for your migraine
9:15
that created the muscle weakness? Am I
9:18
hearing that right? It was the It was
9:21
the
9:23
It was It was the uh second pill of
9:27
anti-depressants that uh was causing
9:31
that uh was causing the uh the muscle
9:35
weaknesses and whatnot. It It was
9:38
supposed to uh boost my my get rid of my
9:43
depression, but it it
9:46
did the opposite. And then finally, and
9:49
it's funny, I felt worse on it. And
9:53
it was worse getting off of it than
9:55
being on it, too. So, I was like,
9:57
there's not enough black box labels on
9:59
this thing.
10:01
>> Yeah, they never tell you how hard it is
10:03
to come off these things, Jimmy. I I
10:05
certainly hear your pain there, buddy.
10:07
>> Though, I'm at least on a better one
10:09
that has less of side effects and seems
10:12
better for my body, though. So I'm like
10:16
and I a lot of people from in my close
10:20
circles of friends or whatnot I was like
10:22
I hope you have a better time this year
10:24
than you did last year. It's like well
10:26
the bar is set low.
10:28
[laughter]
10:29
Six months of hell and a whole year of
10:32
hell. Yeah. I don't think this year can
10:35
be any worse. [laughter]
10:38
Do not say those words. Well, it can't
10:40
get any worse than this. Jimmy, come on.
10:43
They're listening. [laughter]
10:47
The moon's about to pow into the earth.
10:49
Jimmy, it's got your name on it.
10:50
>> I just say unfiltered, didn't I?
10:56
[laughter]
10:57
>> I just say unfiltered somewhere on my
10:59
website. I believe
11:00
>> we're going to meet again in 12 months
11:02
time. I'm like, you know, when I said
11:03
that, I was so wrong. It could have
11:05
gotten so much worse. [laughter]
11:07
But this year, no.
11:10
Exactly.
11:16
Uh, of course Tim Thomas will run this
11:18
right in my face. Thanks. [laughter]
11:23
[clears throat]
11:24
You know, I think every time when we get
11:27
out of this show, we get so much trouble
11:31
or whatnot.
11:34
Come on. You already told me I can't
11:35
swear. That's a pretty hard thing for an
11:37
Aussie to to not do. I'm I'm holding
11:39
myself back. Yikes.
11:44
So, uh, so what have you been up to
11:47
since the last time we've been on the
11:49
show?
11:52
It has been a it's been a year, Jimmy.
11:54
Um, it's been a year. Uh, I have seen
11:59
that, you know, with you mentioned about
12:01
the proliferation of AI when anything
12:04
and and the way AI gets you is they do
12:07
promise, hey, I'll make your life
12:08
easier. just give me some money and I'll
12:11
make your life easy. But it never quite
12:13
works like that. And and and it's kind
12:15
of like turning social media into social
12:18
junk mail, you know, and they think,
12:21
okay, well, if you're only getting one
12:22
hit from 10,000 envelopes, let's send
12:25
send out a million envelopes, you know,
12:28
pay this, pay that. But people are
12:29
becoming more numb to that. And so my
12:32
observation with my dyslexic pattern
12:34
recognition is authenticity is what this
12:38
world needs. Trust is the new currency.
12:42
And that's not something that can be
12:44
forced, scaled or rushed. And I've just
12:50
observed when when you can sit with
12:52
someone and talk and have an authentic
12:54
conversation, it almost doesn't matter
12:57
the content. two people connected have
13:01
this sort of
13:03
it's like sitting around this warm fire
13:06
and everyone gets what they want from a
13:08
different angle even if it's just they
13:09
feel safe enough to drop their guard and
13:12
they can let their inner compass go oh
13:14
here's what I want to do next
13:17
and so with with that observation and
13:19
this is just a theory right there's no
13:22
real hard data to back it up but it felt
13:24
right to me uh I've done well over a
13:29
hundred podcasts since you and I spoke
13:33
and targeted towards you know my people
13:36
which is veterans and first responders.
13:39
Um,
13:41
and you know, I sponsored your show,
13:44
[snorts] Jimmy, because I just saw the
13:46
the efforts you were putting in. And I
13:50
can't do what you do. But if I can in
13:53
some way improve the quality of your
13:55
sleep naturally without pills because,
13:58
you know, when I told a doctor I
14:00
couldn't sleep, I lost six years of my
14:01
life to pills. No one told me that
14:03
breath work could turn off my
14:05
overthinking mind. Um, and I thought,
14:08
well, if I can help Jimmy improve his
14:10
sleep, he's going to be able to say
14:12
serve his audience. Um, and I've
14:16
observed if you if I if someone has a
14:19
heart of service, even if you're being
14:20
lazy, if you give them one cup of
14:24
energy, they turn it into 50, you know,
14:26
because they're always thinking, how can
14:27
I multiply this out? So, that's why I
14:29
thought, well, I'm I was quite happy to
14:31
to sponsor you with a year's membership
14:33
with the breathworking bed. uh sleep
14:36
app, which you know guides you to sleep
14:39
and guides you out of bed uh sometimes
14:42
with words that uh can't always be
14:44
repeated on certain podcasts. Um
14:48
but uh there's a choice. But but here's
14:52
what I'm saying. Um I've got by the way,
14:54
can you hear that snoring in the
14:56
background at all?
14:57
>> A little bit, but whatever.
15:00
We've got this big brown dog, chocolate
15:03
Labrador, inside and he's not normally
15:06
inside, but it's a hot day in Australia
15:07
and I just sort of brought him indoors,
15:09
but he's got such a big head when he
15:11
snores it sounds like a human. Uh, so if
15:14
you hear that going off in the
15:15
background, just just know what that is.
15:17
Um but uh yeah so so um that has been my
15:24
year having as many authentic
15:27
conversations with people who have a
15:29
heart of service. Um I've done a small
15:32
amount of traveling within Australia.
15:34
There's one place that I go every year
15:38
that I grew up in and it was the home of
15:42
the great white shark. And as a kid, I
15:45
used to wake up screaming with these
15:47
nightmares of great white sharks. And
15:48
it's not like the boogeyman, you know,
15:50
check the cupboard, he's not real. You
15:51
know, he's not real, but he kind of
15:53
scares you when the lights are out. But
15:55
with great white sharks, you can't say,
15:56
"Well, they're not real," cuz they're
15:57
really real, right? Um, and so I go back
16:01
there every year and I swim in those
16:02
waters uh to clear my head and connect
16:06
to this this sort of ancient wiring
16:09
comes out of me. And it's it I have a
16:11
really productive 3 to 6 months after
16:13
that. Uh and this year for the first
16:16
time ever, I led a group of men. Um and
16:19
in Australia, there's one place you can
16:21
actually swim with great white sharks.
16:23
They're they're in a cage. Uh but they
16:25
chuck out, you know, the tuna blood and
16:27
the the the burly. Um and the the great
16:30
whites come in and you can get a sort of
16:32
an up close look. Uh the day we went
16:34
out, it's in Port Lincoln. We went out
16:36
to what's called the Neptune Islands. It
16:39
was, you know, cold. We had the wet suit
16:41
on and the day we were there, we didn't
16:43
see any great whites. Uh, unfortunately,
16:47
you you pay, I think it was like $6 or
16:49
$700 to get in the water with them.
16:53
>> Yeah. But but you know, it's a once in a
16:55
lifetime thing. And funnily enough, the
16:57
guys that I brought on board were like,
16:59
"Yeah, this is like a a lifetime goal."
17:02
Um, but then I took them further west
17:05
along the co coastline. we actually, you
17:08
know, got in to the water where people
17:11
don't normally get into the water. Uh,
17:14
and it was sort of a face your fears
17:17
type thing, getting in and swimming
17:19
around the place. Uh, and it's so good
17:22
to to
17:24
create environments for people to
17:26
flourish. So, my joy these days is,
17:29
yeah, I love flourishing myself, but I
17:30
get extra joy when I see others
17:32
flourish. And uh we naturally flourish
17:37
but we also tend to naturally accumulate
17:40
blockages um fear fatigue you know
17:44
there's all these things that block us
17:46
from our natural energetic flourishing
17:48
generous state uh and I know when I've
17:55
I've I've created a connection because
17:58
I'm just human. I don't have enough
17:59
energy for two, but if I can help them
18:00
create a connection to something super
18:02
powerful, call it what you want, call it
18:04
divine, call it nature, call it unseen
18:07
intelligence,
18:09
when the event finishes, it's not just,
18:12
okay, that's in the past, they have a
18:15
taste for the things that they do that
18:18
bring about that clearing of the
18:20
blockages and a restoration of
18:22
connection. Um,
18:25
and that has
18:29
the the big some of the biggest joy
18:31
points I've had besides um my daughter
18:36
got her pee plates uh in driving. She
18:38
can, you know, drives me around the
18:40
place. Uh, and my kids are old enough
18:43
now to they don't need me anymore. The
18:46
only time they're with me is when they
18:47
choose to. So, it's really cool when
18:49
they this last year they're they're
18:50
independent doing their own thing. But
18:52
when they do hang out with me, you can,
18:53
you know, it's because they've they've
18:54
chosen to. It's not because they have
18:56
to. And that's that's been a a new
18:58
experience as well. And and and like I
19:00
said, outside of that, a great joy for
19:02
me is seeing when I've had some hand in
19:06
removing a blockage for them to connect
19:07
to the person they're supposed to be.
19:09
They get a taste for it and then like,
19:10
"Yeah, that felt good. More please. That
19:12
felt good. More please." And um a the
19:16
guys who went on that journey with me,
19:20
a lot of them are speaking on how it
19:24
unlocks something inside of them that
19:26
they don't want to lose. They want to
19:27
keep daily connection. So they've, you
19:29
know, just one guy this morning called
19:32
me up saying, "Hey Tim, you know, since
19:33
last November, I've always been getting
19:35
in the salt water every day and that's
19:37
what I'm about to do. See you later."
19:39
And I'm like, "Hell yeah." you know, um
19:42
so so there's been a lot of good
19:46
experiences um within myself having a
19:49
lot of you know authentic conscious
19:52
conversations and uh I've been
19:55
privileged to uh see the impacts of some
20:00
of the work too cuz you know right now
20:02
Jimmy you and I we're talking we're
20:03
having a good time we can't see how this
20:06
conversation is rippling out um either
20:10
side of
20:11
and it's in digital format. So, who
20:13
knows? It could be
20:16
long after we're dead that people are
20:17
listening to this. And, you know, a
20:20
funny kind of segue, speaking of sharks
20:22
and and impacts that we don't know
20:24
about, I I I've had a few NDEs, a few
20:28
near-death experiences, and one of which
20:30
was a shark attack. Actually, I like
20:32
spear fishing, and every time you get in
20:33
the water and you're spearing fish,
20:35
there's always sharks. And this one
20:36
time, and it wasn't a big one. It was
20:38
maybe about 2 mters. But the thing was,
20:41
you don't know how strong they are until
20:43
they've got hold of you. I've, you know,
20:45
I've done martial arts for about 20
20:47
years. You, you know what it's like to
20:48
get hit and get thrown on the ground?
20:50
And you got a certain sense of your
20:51
body, right? But I never ever ever have
20:54
you. You do you have the term ragled
20:56
over there? Like Like I never felt my
21:00
body do this.
21:02
Like that was me underwater when this
21:04
shark grabbed my leg and was shaking the
21:06
the sugar out of me. Um [laughter]
21:11
and and and I had this NDE, right? My
21:14
whole life flashed before my eyes. And
21:16
the point of the story isn't, you know,
21:18
the stupid shark attack. It's afterwards
21:20
someone said, "Tim, do you think that
21:22
was a spiritual experience?" And I'm
21:24
like, "Absolutely not." because it was
21:27
just my life as a sequence
21:32
and nothing new. I It was cool. Like,
21:34
you know, I I saw everything all at
21:36
once. That was cool, but it wasn't new.
21:38
It was just my life through my own eyes.
21:40
I said, if that was if that was like a
21:42
really spiritual experience, you
21:44
wouldn't just have like a linear line of
21:46
action, action, you know, Monday,
21:48
Tuesday, Wednesday.
21:51
You would have
21:53
an action and then how it impacted
21:56
others and then others and others and
21:58
others and you know
22:01
I have a faith and I think that once
22:04
this form is finished God's going to
22:07
show me the book of knowledge and he's
22:10
going to say okay Tim here's your life
22:12
as you saw it through your own eyes and
22:15
here's your life as I saw it and he'll
22:18
show how one action created this family
22:20
tree and it it might not have been a big
22:23
action. It might not have been the thing
22:25
that you had to work hard for. Um and so
22:29
I just sort of the the only compass cuz
22:32
I don't think we can see fully the
22:36
impacts on others. And that's why I said
22:38
it was nice because I knew these guys
22:41
and I have weekly contact with them. I
22:43
could see the impact of my actions. And
22:46
that's rare though. it's red actually
22:47
see the impact of your own actions. Even
22:49
if you really help people, it it they
22:52
don't often see it for themselves enough
22:55
for them to uh go, you know what, thank
22:57
you. I've spent the last decade working
23:00
with some pretty hardcase veterans and
23:02
and I know I've done a lot of good, but
23:04
I'd be very lucky. Maybe 0.5% to 3% of
23:09
people actually see the help that was
23:11
given and they go, "Oh, you know what?
23:13
Thanks for And so you the point is you
23:16
you I can't do my acts of service
23:21
um with any form of expectation. I've
23:23
just got to do it because I see it as
23:25
you know my duty. Um
23:28
so to lead those men to see that impact
23:31
but also just to just to share how that
23:34
um that shark attack had me present to
23:38
well I can only see so much. I think
23:43
inside of me, we all have a guidance
23:45
system that our brain doesn't
23:47
understand. But if we follow it, we
23:50
start getting what tells us we're on
23:52
that right path is we start getting more
23:54
connection to others, you know, more
23:57
genuine happiness inside of ourselves,
24:01
more, you know, peace and and that I
24:05
believe is the compass for those
24:08
powerful ripples outside of us. can't
24:10
see, but it just you get the reward when
24:12
you're when you're on that path. Um,
24:18
and and you know, I've always found
24:20
conversations like this where you can
24:21
just share
24:23
a great way to,
24:26
you know, like I didn't come here
24:28
thinking I was going to share about
24:29
this, but but here we are. You know,
24:31
it's it's just amazing, you know, what
24:34
kind of comes up. And I'm not sharing
24:37
this stuff to, you know, here's this big
24:40
tough Australian guy. I I believe, you
24:44
know, I we get put through these things
24:48
to share the lessons learned because and
24:52
I'm I'm just probably extra thick
24:54
skinned, you know, if if I if I'm
24:56
anything, I'm I'm a black belt in in,
24:59
you know, effing myself up. Uh but from
25:02
that [snorts] acute position, I've had
25:05
to become a a black belt in healing. Um
25:08
and then if I can articulate that, I can
25:11
save somebody, you know, learning the
25:15
hard way the lessons, you know. Um cuz
25:19
what I what I didn't mention um about
25:22
the shark attack was my mate Jimmy. Now
25:28
he his name was Jimmy, believe it or
25:29
not. His name was Jimmy. The guy was in
25:31
the water with me. Now, Jimmy was a bit
25:34
of a
25:35
um
25:37
I'm not sure if I can say a-hole or not.
25:41
Can I?
25:42
>> I think you just did.
25:43
>> So,
25:47
aerosol can. Uh Jimmy was a can of
25:51
aerosol
25:55
and uh pretty hard to be around, right?
25:58
But it's funny how these aerosol cans
26:02
are exactly who you need when you're in
26:03
a tight spot, right?
26:06
And so I'm I'm not dying because this
26:08
shark is on my leg. I'm dying because
26:10
I'm drowning. It's it's grabbed me and
26:12
it's twisted me up and I'm and there's
26:14
all these spear fishing lines wrapping
26:17
me up, right? And uh and I've got every
26:21
right to freak out cuz okay, I'm about
26:22
to die. Jimmy comes down and he's got
26:26
this look in his eye. I can see it
26:28
through his mask. He's like, "I've got
26:30
this and I've got you." He had his spear
26:32
gun ready to take a shot. Uh he was a
26:35
fellow commando, you know, and like I
26:37
said, hard guy to be around, but these
26:40
guys seem to be the right guy when
26:41
you're in a tight spot. And in that
26:44
moment when I saw that look in Jimmy's
26:46
eyes, even though my whole body was
26:49
completely stressed, I'm about to die. I
26:52
learned the important importance of
26:54
trust and the power of trust. Cuz when I
26:56
saw that and I had trust in another
26:58
human, even though everything in my
26:59
system had the right to freak out, it
27:02
was like this voom, this curtain just
27:04
fell off me of stress and worry. And I'm
27:07
like, "Okay, you got me." And it was it
27:10
was full body change. And I I sort of
27:14
turned my body enough for for Jimmy to
27:18
take the shot on this shark. And I'm
27:20
like, you know, okay, well, even if he
27:22
misses, I'm going to die anyway. What's
27:24
a what's a spear in my leg? You know,
27:25
I've got a shark on my leg. Spear
27:28
through my leg. Nice one, Jimmy. Um, and
27:32
he he makes a shot. He hits it clean
27:34
through the shark. Um, and it's it's
27:37
quite a trust thing to see to let
27:38
somebody shoot right next to your leg
27:40
and see that spear go right next to your
27:42
leg in this position where you're
27:44
getting tossed around the place. Jeez
27:46
Louise. But the thing was, it just
27:49
pissed the shark off more. It got more
27:51
angry because spears aren't bullets.
27:53
It's just like putting a hole through
27:55
something. Uh, and sharks that they're
27:58
just they're millions of years of
28:00
evolution. They they they're they're
28:01
built for impact. And so it just got
28:04
more peeved off. Um, and the the the
28:09
thing that saved me, Jimmy, was I was
28:13
wearing um
28:15
a an electrical device called a shark
28:18
shield. Okay. And it's this thing that
28:21
um pulses through the water. And sharks
28:24
have this electrical sensor in their
28:25
nose. And and it's sort of like, you
28:27
know, getting kicked in the privates
28:29
because that's the most delicate part of
28:31
the shark, their their their nose. Uh
28:34
and the electrical things override that,
28:36
right? But the thing is, it only works
28:39
when you've got it turned on.
28:41
>> Oh god.
28:45
>> I didn't turn it on. Oh, you can turn it
28:47
on. Oh, you can turn it on. [laughter]
28:50
And I'm like, "Bloody hell, this shark."
28:54
And and and and guess where the on
28:56
switch was?
28:57
>> Uh uh on the back.
28:59
>> No, right where the shark was biting.
29:02
>> Oh, great.
29:03
>> It had bit me. And And there's newer
29:06
versions of the Shark Shield now, but
29:08
you know when the new versions I mean,
29:10
you might be too young to remember this,
29:11
but the the very new versions of the
29:13
mobile phones come in, they're like big
29:14
and chunky. Yeah.
29:17
Well, I had this big chunky first
29:19
version of the shark shield and it was
29:20
on my leg and this shark had bit that of
29:22
all the places to bite. It bit that um
29:25
and the on switch was right inside its
29:27
mouth where it was biting and and you
29:30
know you know I'm tied up in lines.
29:32
Jimmy's at the surface trying to pull on
29:33
the shark. The shark's fighting it,
29:35
biting me. Um and I'm like, well, my
29:39
whole body's dead anyway. What's the
29:40
point? I might as well try and turn this
29:42
thing on. If I lose a finger, the whole
29:44
thing's gonna die anyway. Let's give
29:45
this a go. And so, you know, when a uh
29:50
like if you try and bite something Oh,
29:52
there's like a bit of a gap like in the
29:55
corner of the mouth.
29:56
>> Yeah.
29:56
>> So, the shark is kind of like And so I
29:59
kind of reach my finger in just in the
30:01
crack of its mouth. Just wiggle it in
30:04
there and I'm feeling around inside this
30:06
mouth. Oh, there's the on switch. Flick
30:08
the thing on and then boom, this shark
30:11
just lets go, you know. Um, so it works
30:15
when it when you turn it off, you know,
30:18
>> should have it on.
30:20
>> Well, the thing was, so before that, I'm
30:23
stabbing this thing in the eye. Like, I
30:25
pulled my knife out. I'm not going down
30:27
quietly. I'm stabbing this thing right
30:29
in the eye. So, when people say, "Oh, I
30:31
punched the shark and it went away." I'm
30:32
like, "No, man. It just wasn't hungry on
30:34
the day." You know, don't give yourself
30:36
some false rev punch it. No. if they
30:39
want you. Not even stabbing them is
30:40
gonna Anyway, um and it's, by the way,
30:44
it's actually really hard to stab
30:45
something in the water when you're
30:46
getting tossed around. Um I'll just
30:49
throw that in for effect. Um but yeah,
30:52
once I turned this thing on, it just
30:54
took off, you know, and when I when I
30:56
came to the service, I don't know if
30:58
I've ever tasted oxygen as sweet as that
31:02
first breath. [laughter]
31:05
>> Uh you know, I was gonna
31:08
So, so you mean every movie that has
31:12
sharks in it, you mean stabbing
31:14
something like that is not easy? The
31:17
hell?
31:19
Hollywood lied to us, Jimmy. Hollywood.
31:22
>> I wonder if I've said anything else that
31:24
we shouldn't believe. [laughter]
31:27
Uh, I probably can come up with a list.
31:29
Give me a couple minutes.
31:32
[laughter]
31:35
Hollywood silly secrets you never knew.
31:40
I should write a book. Damn it.
31:43
I probably get sued, but whatever.
31:46
I don't have a penny to my name. So,
31:51
so, you know, I think you beat me uh
31:54
from last I think you beat my year last
31:57
year. So, uh I think you I I say you
32:00
won.
32:03
[gasps] Well, it's it was it was an
32:08
intense moment, but it didn't last six
32:10
months. So, you would you would have you
32:12
would you would have probably won the
32:13
the the the marathon. I probably won the
32:16
sprint.
32:17
>> Yeah.
32:19
Well, I mean, honestly, towards the end
32:23
of last year,
32:25
I mean, I don't know what kept me going.
32:28
Uh that 6 months of migraines was just
32:32
brutal as hell. I mean, I went to karate
32:37
with that all through all six months
32:40
because
32:42
you probably wondering why the hell
32:44
would you do that? Well, Cy has been it
32:50
was consistent. I knew what time to show
32:52
up. Even if I was forgetting the moves
32:56
and combinations, I was like, you know
32:59
what? I rather it's consistent. It's
33:03
part of my daily regular activity.
33:07
>> Get you out of the house, man.
33:08
>> Yeah. So, it's like I could curl up in a
33:11
ball at any point. So, I was like,
33:13
"Yeah, I'm about to go curl up a ball on
33:15
the mat at the moment and get myself get
33:17
my ass kicked versus then um
33:21
then just thinking about the migraine
33:22
all the whole time." And
33:26
the the one thing that I think
33:28
frustrated me throughout the
33:32
months though is that a lot of people
33:34
only focus on certain aspects of it.
33:37
They saw just the dark thoughts that I
33:40
had. So there's like Jimmy, you need to
33:42
get some extra help. And I'm like, I am
33:44
getting help, but how do you
33:47
like you can't heal from from the
33:50
depression and everything else when you
33:53
h when you're in constant 24/7 pain? It
33:57
doesn't work
33:59
cuz your body is just in fight or flight
34:01
mode for 247 constantly. And so it's
34:07
like,
34:07
>> so when you were in those low spots,
34:11
how did you keep moving forward?
34:15
I grew I but I have my friends, family
34:18
members, my therapists,
34:22
having a neurologist who was trying to
34:25
help, but
34:28
uh and she and she did help to an
34:30
extent, but I think she could have
34:34
literally nipped it in the butt a lot
34:36
faster
34:38
in my opinion. So the first when she had
34:41
me come into office in her office
34:44
downtown Philly,
34:47
>> she got she hooked me up to the these
34:49
two IV bag these IV bags twice. Day one
34:55
and day two. I went home with a level
34:58
four migraine. So like so what I mean by
35:01
that so one being none and 10 being well
35:06
hell. Uh, so I started with 10 out of
35:09
10. I'm down to a four. Now she sent me
35:12
home with a four.
35:15
Now I thought I was like, okay, so
35:18
what's the next treatment? So she gave
35:21
me these
35:24
pills as like take it whenever you feel
35:27
like you're having a migraine coming on.
35:29
And I'm like,
35:31
but the pain never went away. And she's
35:34
like, "Oh, it should go away once these
35:36
these pills could kick in." They never
35:38
went away.
35:40
And every So I went months
35:47
go by still have no
35:52
and and the migrants started and you
35:55
might find this far-fetched, but uh the
35:59
timeline actually adds up. It started in
36:01
July and I know I started feeling it
36:05
after July 4th weekend
36:08
and
36:10
at first I thought it would just I
36:12
didn't drink enough water because it was
36:15
a very very hot summer day and I was
36:19
standing in front of I think it was
36:23
600 degree grill. Uh,
36:27
I was grilling burgers that day and and
36:31
uh and I was starting to get laded and I
36:33
was like, "Oh, great. I didn't know if
36:35
it was just from the smoke from the
36:36
grill." And then uh and people's like,
36:40
"But why would it just start in the
36:42
summer, not in the previous months?" And
36:45
it's like, "I don't know. Migraines
36:46
could just come out of anywhere. I don't
36:48
have any history with migraines." And
36:51
>> Oh, so this was a first for you?
36:53
>> Yeah.
36:54
>> Huh. Okay, thank you for prefacing that.
36:56
I thought it was a regular thing. So,
36:58
this is the first time you started
37:00
getting a migraine and the first time
37:01
you experienced something for so long.
37:05
Yeah,
37:06
like the only other time I have been to
37:09
the hospital twice. I mean, for
37:12
something like that was attention
37:14
headache and it was like a mix of
37:16
migraine headache and attention
37:19
headache and something else. I forget
37:22
the third one. But uh but it was just a
37:25
cluster of them and but this one just
37:28
wouldn't go away from anything. And the
37:32
only thing at this
37:35
and insurance was just a pain in the
37:37
butt. They just sp me on everything and
37:42
I was ready to sue like sue them. I was
37:44
like um this I was like you know what
37:52
that's when I had to appear with
37:54
insurance and I was like one day I'm
37:57
going to get in front of Congress and
37:58
I'm going to share them my whole story
38:01
of hell I went through with with
38:04
insurance companies and I'm going to put
38:06
all the insurance companies back where
38:08
they belong in their own place and uh
38:12
mark my words it's going to take me a
38:14
while, but you I have a I have a while.
38:17
And uh no one asked me to do it, but I'm
38:21
going to do it because you know what?
38:24
So So I I I want to give Patri another
38:28
picture if you don't mind. Um
38:31
so my so the amazing
38:36
system we have in United States and I'm
38:40
saying amazing by being sarcastic. Um so
38:44
it's
38:46
at least in my state I don't I haven't
38:49
been into every single state in the
38:51
United States. So, uh, at least in my
38:54
state, there's, uh, I can't get
38:58
reimbursement for, and it doesn't seem
39:01
like anybody can get reimbursement for
39:02
going out of network on Medicaid or
39:04
anything. And and the reason why and the
39:10
ironic part is I'm like why you offer
39:14
transportation to things and if somebody
39:17
doesn't need the transportation can't
39:19
you just can you just can there be just
39:22
a way that you can just okay he doesn't
39:24
need transportation okay we save 145
39:28
whatever transportation and gases cost
39:32
in total okay let's say we save $800
39:35
bucks for this person. Okay, we'll pay
39:38
145 for his freaking tellaalth. Oh,
39:40
okay. Simple math. But no, we don't have
39:44
a great system like that. And
39:47
and so some person in my county, uh an
39:52
official from my county said, "We don't
39:54
do reimbursements because the person is
39:56
just not in the Medicaid network." And
39:59
I'm like, "Well, the reason why they're
40:01
not in the Medicaid network is because
40:02
guess what? You guys don't pay them on
40:04
time. Anyway, so uh
40:08
and the regulations are baloney and it's
40:11
like so I had to go out of network and
40:13
you guys can't provide me anyone in
40:15
network. So the reason I'm I'm sharing
40:17
this with you
40:20
and the audience is the fun part is the
40:24
company who's been deciding all this has
40:27
contracts in 27 other states. You know
40:30
where the main headquarters are is in
40:32
Phoenix, Arizona. So, some schmuck in my
40:35
county, [snorts] uh, and I say schmuck
40:38
with the most kind-hearted way I know,
40:41
uh, talking about this and all the way
40:45
in Phoenix, Arizona,
40:48
this company's headquarters is so the
40:50
state of Pennsylvania and 27 other
40:53
states are okay to outsource mental
40:58
health services.
41:00
And granted, this company does have a
41:02
location in Pennsylvania, but my whole
41:05
point is you feel safe enough to share
41:09
data between states,
41:11
not between states, but across borders
41:14
on the other half of the United States
41:17
with allowing them to have my offices in
41:19
Pennsylvania.
41:20
But I can go from Pennsylvania
41:24
to New York over one state border.
41:29
That seems fair.
41:33
>> And yet all the government officials and
41:36
I'm not speaking to politics. I don't
41:38
care for either side. So everybody who's
41:40
listened to me, I do not favor any side
41:43
whatsoever. I'm just talking middle
41:45
person.
41:47
Don't care for any of them.
41:49
My point is is they're wondering why
41:52
people have mental health challenges and
41:54
can't get help and uh and whatnot. This
41:58
is why.
42:00
>> Yeah, Jimmy, I hear you. Because in your
42:02
moment of need, when you really needed
42:05
something, you came across all these
42:09
resistances and unworkabilities
42:13
that you shouldn't have had to h like
42:16
walls to climb over when you're already
42:18
in a weakened state. Um, and it's almost
42:20
like they're there for the person to
42:22
give up and never try. Yep. you know,
42:25
just because because it's almost like
42:27
they know if we put these walls there,
42:29
that person's in a fatigued state and
42:32
they're not going to cost us any money
42:33
if we put those walls there. Um, and and
42:36
it's very easy to
42:39
when you're already fatigued, get angry
42:42
and lash out. And that's that's like to
42:45
me and it's very understandable when
42:48
you're in a place of fatigue to get
42:50
frustrated, angry, lash out. But for me,
42:53
when I've been in states of fatigue, I
42:55
noticed every time I got angry, it was a
42:57
bit like only having $2 in the account
43:00
and writing a check for $1,000. It just
43:03
it just put me further under. Um, and I
43:07
want to know what was your lowest point
43:10
in that six month journey and what was
43:13
the day? And I'm assuming you've you've
43:15
come through this now. You're on the
43:17
other side of it or you still in it?
43:18
>> I I'm out on the other side.
43:21
>> Okay. So I I would love to know two
43:23
things. What was your lowest moment?
43:25
And was was there a moment a day or was
43:28
it a how did you come out of it? How did
43:30
you know you're out of it?
43:33
>> So my lowest part was there was a few
43:36
day a day or two where I could barely
43:38
eat because I was getting off of this
43:42
uh medication that was causing muscle
43:45
weakness. I still having some
43:49
other side effects from it. Um,
43:54
but then when my doctor put me on my new
43:57
anti-depressant, I know it didn't
44:01
when I asked AI this because I was just
44:04
kind of curious for my own learning and
44:07
whatnot. So, don't think I rely on AI
44:10
for every little nook and cranny, but
44:12
this is was I mean, I trust my doctors,
44:16
but I just like to learn stuff here and
44:20
there on my own cuz, you know, I'm in
44:23
the health and wellness area. Not an
44:26
expert in it, but I still like to learn.
44:29
Uh, and so,
44:32
so when he put me on the new medication,
44:34
it said that it would take one or two
44:37
weeks for improvements. I started
44:39
feeling improvement within like 4 days.
44:43
And I was like, what? This feels so
44:45
weird. and everything felt clearer,
44:49
calmer, and it felt like my whole body
44:53
has been in the matrix for like 31 years
44:56
of
44:58
>> weird. I mean, now when I say I'm in the
45:02
matrix, I don't mean like I was pie on
45:05
your thing. This was me saying before I
45:08
was on that medication, I was been on a
45:11
fight in fight or flight mode for my
45:14
whole life in survival mode to making
45:18
rash decisions.
45:21
Uh I'm not going to get into the whole
45:23
story of it because it's a long ass
45:25
story. Then even when I told some of my
45:29
friends,
45:29
>> if I'm hearing you right, Jimmy, you
45:31
that new medication removed a blockage
45:33
that had been there for so long. And
45:34
once that blockage was removed, you had
45:36
access to something that was always
45:38
there, but you could never get access
45:39
to. Did I hear that right?
45:41
>> Yeah. I mean, let's just say like the
45:43
blockage was like I had access to some
45:47
of the things but just didn't have every
45:51
access to it all. And then when I
45:54
finally removed it
45:57
as like now I'm playing. Now this is
46:00
going to sound weird to everybody that
46:01
I'm going to say this like this way. But
46:04
so I had this again this is a longer
46:08
story for another time. But let's just
46:10
say I had a hiccup with a company that I
46:14
I'm not going to say the name of because
46:17
I'll just go on a total big rant on it.
46:20
But uh I'll just say
46:23
let's just say last year I would have
46:27
metaphorically
46:30
said a lot of brood stuff in an email
46:34
that I cannot repeat on here.
46:37
But uh and and just to let you know, I
46:41
do not say a lot of weird stuff to
46:44
companies, but this company, this was
46:46
the fifth time of them kicking me off of
46:49
their platform.
46:50
And so when I finally got onto this
46:54
medication and I was already off of the
46:56
platform and after 2 and 1/2 months
47:00
being on the medication, I started
47:02
playing 4D chess and I found so many
47:07
things that were not that did not work
47:11
in their favor that worked in my favor.
47:15
And within two days after sharing what I
47:18
would do with them and whatnot, they
47:21
turned put me back on their platform. I
47:24
was like, "Check me."
47:27
They never confirmed or not deny that I
47:30
was right or wrong. But I was like, "Oh,
47:33
I'm sorry. Did I press a button?" I was
47:35
like, "Did I
47:36
>> Yeah. No, that's interesting. That's
47:37
interesting because the Indians have
47:40
that god with a couple of extra arms
47:42
called Shiva. And that's called the the
47:45
remover of obstacles. And you know, it
47:49
sounds like you had something removed
47:51
that had you access to a a higher level
47:54
of thinking that you could then um
47:57
engage with people in in a much more um
48:01
proactive and less reactive way. And you
48:03
know, Jimmy, if no one said this, I want
48:05
to acknowledge you
48:07
>> for that six months you went through.
48:10
That is no small thing having that uh
48:14
pain that you can't run away from with
48:17
you 24/7.
48:19
Uh that would have taken a whole lot of
48:24
human spirit to get through. And I just
48:27
want to acknowledge you as one man to
48:29
another for getting through that because
48:32
who knows in some other reality Jimmy
48:35
there's a Jimmy who didn't deal with it
48:37
the way this one did and has created a
48:42
whole bunch of negative spiraling
48:45
actions. Um so to to be in the reality
48:50
where you've chosen powerfully I want to
48:53
acknowledge you for that and I hope that
48:54
lands over there mate. Thank you. I I
48:58
mean honestly if you saw me growing up I
49:02
was literally the uh opposite of what I
49:06
did in towards this company. I mean I
49:10
mean I would say towards the company. I
49:12
mean I mean I was always reactive
49:16
and and actually looking back I did some
49:19
of the things that I did I would say it
49:22
be a 8020
49:26
meaning 80%
49:29
something else that contributed to it
49:32
and 20 I take my responsibility on it
49:37
and I'm not saying that to being like
49:40
Oh, it's always somebody else's fault.
49:43
No, I was on a medication growing up
49:47
that did not do me justice growing up in
49:50
public school. So, and after doing some
49:53
research on that medication
49:56
uh and uh just because I was just
50:01
interested in educating myself,
50:04
my theory actually was actually right.
50:08
I know I can't go back in time to change
50:10
anything, but but when I looked at the
50:14
medication I'm on now and what year came
50:16
out of the doctor at the time when I was
50:19
seeing this person, I was like, would
50:23
you like to do anything? Would you have
50:26
done anything differently? Cuz it came
50:28
out way uh in 2002
50:33
and I saw you in 2005. So there's at
50:36
least three years of them or maybe 2008
50:40
I saw the person. So it's about
50:47
yeah five years of to be able to uh
50:50
actually sorry six years to be able to
50:54
um to make sure that there's no extra
50:56
side effects and whatnot. And even if I
50:59
couldn't get the and the generic didn't
51:01
come out till 2012. So I was like,
51:05
"Really? We stuck with the other one for
51:08
Oh, well, cuz it was working. Was it
51:10
working or was it hurting me?"
51:13
Well, Jimmy, what advice would you give
51:15
people listening if they're in a chronic
51:17
pain, chronic situation and they're
51:19
really struggling to move forward? What
51:22
advice what options would you give them
51:24
moving forward? How would you how would
51:26
you talk to the version of you that's
51:28
stuck in that moment looking back on it?
51:30
I wouldn't start
51:33
since I since I'm a person who learns by
51:36
asking a lot of questions which I think
51:39
I pissed off many developers was asking
51:43
questions like
51:45
and I don't mean like asking questions
51:47
like they're wrong. I'm asking questions
51:50
like
51:52
>> you're curious. You got a line of
51:53
inquiry. You want to know.
51:54
>> Yeah. And but some developers who are I
52:00
know this not a development person but
52:02
like but I would ask questions was like
52:07
hey is this the right medication for me?
52:10
What's the side effects of this
52:12
medication?
52:14
What's the top three or top four? You
52:16
know um let's say if if you eat cereal
52:20
or oh let's just say you look at a food
52:22
label. you know, the most important
52:26
stuff is at the very very top and then
52:28
so so you don't know what you're getting
52:31
and then the other stuff that is like,
52:33
oh, it's in here, but there's not much
52:35
of it in here or whatever.
52:38
>> So, you're saying when you're working
52:40
with, you know, the doctors or the
52:41
people that are there to help you ask
52:43
ask more questions. Don't be satisfied
52:45
with just what you they give you. Have a
52:48
have a go in there and want certain
52:51
questions answered. That would be your
52:53
advice to the other people in the same
52:55
situation.
52:56
>> Yeah. And maybe phrase it as
53:00
out of curiosity for my own interest
53:03
because it's not like you're saying I'm
53:06
jud I'm
53:08
uh I'm judging your expertise. No, I'm
53:12
out of curiosity. I want to learn as
53:15
what what you know. So you're asking for
53:17
a learning moment. You're not or
53:20
teaching moment. and you want to learn
53:23
hey what will this do in the long term
53:26
or
53:27
uh why does this keep happening ask
53:31
because when I did that my uh I started
53:35
seeing more things clearer I mean just
53:39
to give you another example my uh when I
53:44
was asking so back to the automation
53:46
thing real quick you know I actually
53:50
connected more things to the automation
53:54
uh beginning of this year and more of it
53:58
has come into place and has gotten a lot
54:02
of stress off my
54:05
mind and I'm I feel like my body can
54:09
fully kind of heal from all the the six
54:13
month migraine plus the depression and
54:15
everything else and so I'm joking a lot
54:19
now and like, "Oh, my mind's free." Uh,
54:24
last year or if you asked me, "Can you
54:27
joke about any?"
54:29
I was like, "Why are you so serious?"
54:31
And people said, "I was so down." And
54:33
it's like, "Well, you'd be down, too, if
54:35
you had 24/7 pain and you go to bed and
54:38
you're in pain and you can't sleep." And
54:41
and
54:42
it's like, and even if you think I need
54:44
extra help, well,
54:46
maybe look at the context around what
54:50
I've been saying, even if it's not the
54:52
perfect puzzle that I could give you the
54:55
finished picture.
54:58
It's like, I could have lined you up as
55:00
best I can. It's like, help me get out
55:03
of the circle of hell.
55:07
I shaking bars as much as I can.
55:12
And I mean bars, I mean metal bars, not
55:14
the actual
55:16
get it.
55:18
>> Well, I mean, the reason why I was
55:20
saying that is because the people who
55:22
could watch might not be watching. They
55:23
might be just be listening. So, if they
55:25
was like, "Oh, Jimmy doesn't drink." But
55:28
I wasn't talking about that part.
55:30
[laughter]
55:31
>> Just to be precise. You don't want your
55:33
your your loyal fans to be questioning
55:36
your integrity. No, I get it, man. And
55:37
thank you for sharing so openly about
55:39
your low points and and uh how those how
55:42
those um the the new medication really
55:45
made a difference and possibly if you um
55:48
ask the right questions when you're in
55:50
the thick of it, it it might have made
55:51
all the difference. Um so yeah. Um and
55:56
and I I do have to ask because we're
55:58
we're coming up to about an hour now.
56:00
>> Yeah. uh how's your year been? We only
56:05
touched B we touched base a few times
56:07
but we only touched base specifically
56:09
the on the first few occasions of you
56:11
know you're now going to bed with breath
56:14
work and the breath working bed app and
56:15
and getting out of bed. How honestly and
56:18
you're not going to hurt my feelings.
56:20
How uh consistently through the year did
56:24
you use that? And when you did use it,
56:25
what was your honest um experience of
56:28
that? I used it for the first six months
56:33
and
56:34
and it and because and I was getting a
56:40
very good night's sleep and I'm not just
56:42
saying that. Uh the only reason why I
56:45
stopped for the second six months was
56:47
because
56:49
I couldn't focus on anything. Uh end
56:53
[clears throat] of last year I canceled
56:55
many interviews. I canled many speaking
56:58
engagements.
57:01
Uh I barely even got through my science
57:03
semester that I needed to finish my
57:06
major in college. So
57:10
uh I mean I missed I think eight classes
57:13
and I still passed the class. Uh I mean
57:16
I got a B in the class and it's like and
57:19
here I thought me and science hate each
57:22
other and yet here I am. Uh, I got a
57:27
actual B instead of I thought I was
57:29
going to get a C. Uh, not because I'm
57:32
stupid, but me and science never worked
57:34
together in the past. I was like, what's
57:36
changed? And, uh, it was actually the
57:39
professor who did a really good job of
57:42
teaching. It's like, where were you my
57:44
whole life?
57:46
Um, so it's not that I wanted to stop.
57:50
It was just like my if you asked me if I
57:53
could focus uh on anything in the last
57:58
in the second half of last year, I
58:02
couldn't focus on anything. I felt like
58:04
I had ADHD.
58:06
Uh and I'm not making fun of anybody
58:09
think I have ADHD or anything, but I
58:11
mean
58:13
my brain was always racing. I couldn't
58:16
even have anything calm. My blood
58:19
pressure was up. I was
58:22
everything. So, it's not that I stopped
58:25
because I just got bored of using it. I
58:28
just I stopped because I couldn't
58:32
calm anything down. I mean,
58:34
>> I get it. Certain things fall away when
58:36
you go in survival mode. Um, and you're
58:39
never holding ground. And you're either
58:41
feeling good, making better choices that
58:43
make you feel better, or you're feeling
58:45
bad, you make bad choices, and you get
58:47
rid of the things that were work. It it
58:48
there's you kind of I understand the
58:50
spiral. Um, but I, you know, I do
58:52
acknowledge you for taking that on for
58:54
for 6 months. Um, I know you used it to
58:57
go to sleep. Did you use any of the wake
58:58
up tracks?
59:00
>> Yeah, I like the one when you uh you
59:02
dropping multiple fbombs each time.
59:07
That's the uh the the hyper masculine
59:10
wakeup call. Yes. I was like, "Well, I'm
59:12
awake now."
59:17
>> And did you do your mirror work after
59:18
that, Jimmy? Oh, yeah. Exactly.
59:22
[laughter]
59:26
>> Yes. Yes, I would.
59:28
I mean to to be honest, you know, I have
59:31
uh the Fitbit Premium that
59:34
actually is breath some breath work
59:36
stuff here and there too. If I had to
59:39
compare that to yours, yours is so much
59:43
better. And I'm not just saying that. I
59:47
I mean because I mean I feel like
59:49
whoever partnered with Fitbit and
59:52
whatnot, they used AI voices and and
59:57
honestly I don't have any problems with
59:59
AI to an extent but it's like at least
1:00:03
be open and transparent like this was AI
1:00:06
and whatnot. Uh I think uh because I
1:00:10
think we owe people more going into
1:00:13
their unconsciousness than something
1:00:16
artificial. You want real genuine human
1:00:19
connection
1:00:21
in that going into that unconscious
1:00:23
state. I'm a firm believer in protecting
1:00:25
the unconscious. It's a it's a very much
1:00:27
a a a thing in combat. If you if someone
1:00:31
goes down, if they're unconscious,
1:00:32
protect the unconscious. Um, and then
1:00:37
coming out of your unconscious, that's a
1:00:39
very delicate space to be in too. Um,
1:00:42
and I noticed that if I didn't have some
1:00:46
pre-prepared positivity to truck in,
1:00:49
it's like automatically gravity fed, I
1:00:52
had these negative thoughts coming in.
1:00:54
And so, if I if I I notice if I lost the
1:00:57
first five minutes of the day, I I
1:00:59
usually lose the day. But if I could win
1:01:01
the first five minutes of the day, if I
1:01:03
could have that little breath working
1:01:04
bed notification, just a tap and then to
1:01:06
say, "Oh, Tim, breathe in, breathe out,
1:01:08
rub this part of your body, move this
1:01:10
part of your legs, remove all that stuck
1:01:12
energy." Um, that isn't it's like tired
1:01:17
people don't want more stuff to do. They
1:01:20
just want to say, "Here's what I want.
1:01:22
Do it for me." You know, and and I only
1:01:25
specialize in one thing to help people
1:01:27
sleep and get out of bed. But I I the
1:01:29
magic is Uber eating it in. Like you
1:01:32
want something, you just hit that
1:01:33
button, you got it straight away. You
1:01:34
don't have to work for it. You don't
1:01:35
have to think about it. You just tap a
1:01:36
button and it happens. Um and in the
1:01:41
first 6 months when you were using it,
1:01:42
did you notice any impacts on your uh
1:01:46
the days when you were getting the good
1:01:48
sleep, sharper, more be able to focus?
1:01:54
Uh more what focused? I was more able to
1:01:57
focus and um
1:01:59
>> yeah, I don't think I said a correct
1:02:01
sentence, but whatever. [laughter]
1:02:04
I mean, uh but I I was able to focus. I
1:02:08
was able to
1:02:10
uh just think more clearly,
1:02:13
sleep better, no racing thoughts at
1:02:16
night. Cuz when you have racing thoughts
1:02:18
at night, guess what? You can't sleep.
1:02:20
Fun.
1:02:23
I love raising thoughts that no one
1:02:25
ever.
1:02:26
>> Well, yeah. Well, but the thing is it
1:02:29
wasn't until I was going through my
1:02:31
divorce that I realized that my mind's
1:02:33
like a garden. Whatever I water grows
1:02:36
and when I was watering the weeds of
1:02:38
stress, they didn't just take over my
1:02:40
mind garden. It's like eyeballs popped
1:02:43
out of them and they became sentient.
1:02:44
They become aware of the things I was
1:02:46
doing that was feeding them. And if I
1:02:48
tried to feed the positive side, these
1:02:50
negative ones would would take food from
1:02:52
them to feed themselves. But and and
1:02:55
what does that look like? So,
1:02:58
you know, before you do some form of
1:03:00
exercise, there's always a part of you
1:03:01
going, "Oh, let's not do this now. Let's
1:03:03
do it later. Let's find something to
1:03:05
procrastinate with." They're the
1:03:06
disempowered parts of you knowing that
1:03:08
once you do exercise and you become
1:03:10
fully empowered, they get kicked out and
1:03:12
they scream the loudest before they die.
1:03:15
And at 2 am, they're used to running the
1:03:18
show. And so many times when I'm like, I
1:03:21
should do some breath work, there's that
1:03:23
part of me at 2 am saying, breath work
1:03:24
is BS. Don't do that. Stay ruminating
1:03:28
with your racing thoughts. But every
1:03:31
time when I push that button and I
1:03:33
breathe, the the chemical override. See,
1:03:37
breath work isn't meditation. Meditation
1:03:38
is thoughts controlling thoughts. And
1:03:40
that might work for some people. But
1:03:41
when you got a train wreck going through
1:03:42
your head, it's really hard to control
1:03:45
that. Breath work is like a chemical
1:03:47
override. It's like going to the side of
1:03:49
your house and pulling the fuse box out.
1:03:51
You know, it it mechanically kicks those
1:03:53
things out. But to get to that point,
1:03:55
you do need a guided medicinal
1:03:59
experience of your lungs. And this is
1:04:02
why um
1:04:04
people realize it's not a set of lungs
1:04:06
we have. It's a medicine cabinet with a
1:04:07
lot of different shelves. You breathe a
1:04:10
certain way. you elicit a certain
1:04:11
response and you do need to breathe for
1:04:14
a certain duration to get that medicinal
1:04:16
effect. And this is why I'm a big fan of
1:04:18
it being guided because if it's just me,
1:04:19
I kind of lose myself. But if I'm
1:04:21
staying in that space of listening to
1:04:23
that cadence, all of a sudden this my
1:04:27
whole state changes. Um, so people go,
1:04:30
"Oh, breath work. I've been breathing my
1:04:31
whole life." I'm like, "Well, that's
1:04:33
like saying, ah, I've got a headache."
1:04:36
and you pick up a panol and just lick it
1:04:38
or an aspirin and just lick it and then
1:04:40
put it down. You need a you need a
1:04:42
medicinal dose of breath work for it to
1:04:45
have the medicinal effect. Um, and the
1:04:48
nights when I haven't slept because of
1:04:51
the racing thoughts, laying there doing
1:04:54
breath work, I noticed acted like a
1:04:57
patch. So if I wasn't sleeping between 2
1:05:00
and 4:30, if I was doing breath work
1:05:02
during that time, when I woke up in the
1:05:04
morning, I'm like, "Oh, you know what? I
1:05:06
actually feel pretty good, you know, and
1:05:08
and shockingly laying there doing breath
1:05:11
work was a whole lot better than laying
1:05:13
there thinking about racing thoughts.
1:05:17
I I mean, you know, one other thing I
1:05:20
wanted to bring up, I like when you say
1:05:23
said that you people we should be more
1:05:26
transparent to others.
1:05:29
Uh so I mean I think I don't know if you
1:05:33
agree with this but uh I mean when I
1:05:36
created the whole automation stuff I
1:05:39
trained AI to sound like me for
1:05:43
social media marketing and whatnot and
1:05:47
that's pretty good but I still post here
1:05:51
and there what I can but like I said I
1:05:54
mean I don't replace it with everything
1:05:57
and I was not looking in every place.
1:05:59
I'm just looking to expand [snorts] my
1:06:01
reach because, you know, I'm a creative
1:06:04
person who can create podcast content
1:06:07
and I want to put all my all into
1:06:09
everything.
1:06:10
But, you know, think about it this way.
1:06:13
You know how those bigger companies,
1:06:16
they probably have like maybe x amount
1:06:18
of people in marketing and each person
1:06:21
who's a marketer is one focus on one
1:06:24
thing like okay maybe one do social
1:06:26
media, one is doing email, one is doing
1:06:29
ads, one something doing something else.
1:06:33
I'm doing like probably 20 plus people's
1:06:35
jobs per day by myself. So if I'm using
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AI, yes, I'm using AI for my social
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media marketing post, but I trained AI
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at least. So it's not like, hey user,
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you know, I actually did get some though
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I could I love the pitches that people
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come on my show who try to come on my
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show who says, "Hey, I really like your
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uh your podcast about health and
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wellness. I got a great person for you."
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He he he's he is a person who this
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person buys and sells houses and he
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would be great for your uh show about
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buying selling houses. I'm like huh?
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Like you lost me.
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It's like first we talking about health
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and wellness and we talk buying and
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selling houses and like what show have
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