Tasting Vintage Booker’s Bourbon from 1995 versus 2020-03 ”Pigskin Batch” Bourbon Whiskey

Today on the Bourbon Bites podcast, I sit down with a friend to try a 1995 Booker's versus a recent release

And we'll talk about whether Booker's Bourbon is still a good buy in 2022

Hello everyone and welcome to the Bourbon Bites podcast. I'm your host Clifton. I'm here with my friend Brandon

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had brandon on the show a couple times well you've been on the round table like three times yeah and

then we did the one of the first podcasts we did like a call to you discussion remember that yeah that was a while ago man yeah that was like when i was first launching it so so today we are

back to do a booker's a deep or what should we call it a we're not exposing bookers because like

everyone already kind of knows but we'll say this we are both we were both big bookers fans we used

to buy every single batch yep um even like before we you know started doing the podcast or anything

like that like we just liked it it was always consistent around here in california it was like

60 to 70 dollars ish um up until like 2019 even here we had it cheaper than a lot of people

across the country so we have always been big bookers fans but now i don't know has our opinion

changed let's we're gonna find out i guess right let's find out today so i asked on patreon for a

few other people's input on uh the whole booker situation i was like we need to talk about bookers

because it seems like no one's buying it like there's a few badges that have been sitting on

our store K&L here just sitting there not being bought and they're being listed at $100 so it's

like what's happened like people used to love bookers so today we're going to be talking about

you know the state of bookers in 2022 but we're not just gonna be talking we're gonna be drinking

so thanks to our friend David over at whiskey in my wedding ring or the whiskey ring podcast

he actually sent us a sample of bookers from 1995 now I don't know about you but I was not drinking

bookers in 1995. I was six. I was two years old. So I was not drinking bookers. So this is a very

very special sample. We both have samples of that. So we're going to be pouring that along

with a more recent batch. This is not super recent. It's 2020-03. This is pigskin batch

It's just a bottle that I have that I'm kind of trying to kill here. So we're going to be contributing to the conversation just because this is probably pretty reminiscent of recent bookers

I mean, similar proof, similar age statement to more recent releases. So I thought it'd be fun to kind of compare this and also see how Booker's used to taste

I have no idea. I have no idea either. I've heard great things, but. Yeah, I'm super excited

So a little bit about this, Booker's. So the batch number is B95C31

I believe it's 126.7 proof. This was distilled March 31st of 1995, which is super exciting

And that means it was aged for seven years. so um so okay so it seems like they now that i realized that it says it was distilled in march

so maybe they used to put the batch number based on when it was distilled not when it was released

yeah which would make sense so that would make this released uh i need to calculate

hey guys future cliffy here uh so i wanted to jump in and kind of add some clarification about

this i think this was a mix of us both overthinking it and not realizing there were multiple batches

of bookers with this same code on them. So the B95C31 that we're actually drinking is the 126.6

proof. I'm just realizing this a good bit later after we recorded. This one was aged for seven

years, three months, and zero days. And by overthinking, I meant that we weren't considering

the fact that it was a batch. So what we're seeing is the age of the youngest whiskey in this blend

So yes, this is still a 1995 bookers. We were trying to do some crazy math, trying to add it up

But this was released in March 31st, 1995. So hopefully that helps clear up some of the confusion

We ended up realizing mid our live stream after recording this podcast, like, oh, we messed up

So just wanted to add this here. But yeah, enjoy the rest of the podcast

So let's go to get that poured. Sure. All right. And then we're going to pour the Booker's 2020-03 into our second glass

So exciting. Honestly, I haven't had Booker's in a long time. I don't remember the last time. Do you remember last time you had Booker

No, really. Because we stopped buying it, which is part of the conversation here today

Because we both used to be such big fans of it. The constant price increases

I mean, we were lucky. Ours didn't go above $60 until 2019

And then it went up to $70. And then I feel like it immediately, after it was $70. It went to $90

I feel like it was never $80. I never saw $80. Maybe $90. But now it's $100

And also, it's worth mentioning, the age still is rarely cracking seven years

I noticed that the newest batch, the 2022-02, is just over seven years old

I have not tried it, but most of them have been sticking in the six-year range

So what we're trying right now is the B95C31 is seven years, nine months, and then the 2020-03 is six years, seven months

So about a year's difference in age here. Now, proof comparatively, I know I said this earlier, but the older bookers is 126.7, and this is 127.3

So pretty close, pretty close on proof. um now i don't know the cost of that bookers when it came out in 2002 i imagine i would assume it'd

be like 50 50 that's my guess because i was like i don't think it was ever cheaper but 50 sounds about right so this came out back when booker no was like actually living so like again this was

still his small batches his special release that he did some of these bottles that we saw online

have been signed by booker no um and they go for like 1900 on like like auction sites because i

mean that's pretty awesome to have his signature so um i'm really curious to try bookers that was

actually distilled by Booker. That's pretty cool. I've never had that, so I'm so excited for this

Let's go and give this nose. The 1995... I always call it the B95

The B95 Bookers. Whoa. Rally Gate does not... I don't get that huge

ethanol hit like I typically get on Bookers. To me, it almost like... It nose is

more of like another Gembeam. I was thinking of an older Knob Creek pick

Bookers always hits me up front with nuttiness. This is Oakford, I think

But honestly, it has a brightness to it that I feel like I never get on Booker's

Booker's is always dark and oaky. It's totally different than any of the Booker releases I've had

It's definitely sweet. I think, I mean, this was, again, seven years, nine months

So again, when we're comparing to Knob Creek, it's still younger than Knob Creek, which is part of the conversation we going to be having a bit later I mean Knob Creek nine years old you know Of course yeah So this though sounds really good though As a Jim Beam fan I mean you a Jim Beam fan too Yeah It bright It more fruity than I think Jim Beam or Booker

Again, I associate Booker's with like this dark nuttiness, like this like not, it's sweet, but not

I mean, we'll see as we go into the more recent Booker's, but. Yeah, but it's usually a good balance, but

This does have a bit of a vintage note though there too. There's a bit of that. I mean, it's a bit of like an antique kind of funk, like

Not like an old library though. like like that like the gym beam one like the cantors we've tried yeah it's not quite there but

i feel like it's leaning that direction like i feel like maybe it's a bit more like a like a

leather kind of oldness to it but i'm excited to try it try yeah cheers

very different tastes more like the decanter experience that i've had whoo it's hot man it's hot at 120 126.7 proof i mean it drinks it but and it's crazy to think

that this was coming out i don't know i mean i don't i again was not into the whiskey market back

then i just feel like back then the bourbon boom hadn't quite really exploded so i mean to be fair

booker started as a small batch for his friends so it kind of was the whiskey enthusiasts out

there you know they were the only ones appreciating this because imagine you gave this to like someone that was like never tried bourbon before they'd blow their socks off like it'd be crazy that's

really good i mean holy crap if that were if that were a hundred dollars today i'd probably buy it

I'd buy it. Yeah. Again, huge thank you to David for letting us opportunity to try this at cost

that he paid for the bottle. So that's super awesome of him. The finish to me

it's still going. It keeps going and it has that antique element to it that I was talking

about earlier. More so on the palate than the nose. I think, by the way, we are going to be doing a live stream right after we record this podcast

where we're going to be comparing a bunch of different canned whiskey cocktails. I'm excited for it

You not so much. I don't know. We're going to find out though. So if you were listening to this

of course that live stream has already happened. So check out the YouTube channel for that. I'm really curious to see how it goes

but we want to get this out of the way first because we didn't want to be, first of all, drunk on like sweet sugary cocktails and then try to do this because it

wouldn't be fair. We wanted to go into this like, you know, first pour and I'm

I'm really impressed with that, that vintage Booker's like, gosh, we'll see though

Like I didn't want to leave a little bit in the glass. Cause I mean, maybe we're just being blinded by the thought like, oh

it's vintage. Maybe current Booker's is just as good. I don't know. Let's

let's go in and give this 2020. Oh, three and nose. Oh

different so different this one's a lot sweeter to me like up front yeah i was thinking the first

one was sweet but yeah the older one smells more like bookers than this one's like bookers is that

weird to me is that like am i wrong about that but again we've also it's been a while since we've had

bookers that's true and also obviously your bottle's been open for a while it has got some oxygen

oxidation there you go yeah and also like you said like i think we cling to like the memory of

bookers versus like because it used to be our go-to like our special to me it was always a

a special bottle yeah because again six dollars was a lot when you first started getting into whiskey and now most of us don't bat an eye at sixty dollars i think this smells young than 2020

bookers okay i'm just so used to drinking knob creek like knob creek has become my go-to now

that bookers is so expensive so to me bookers i mean it's six years it's it's you know three years

younger than standard knob creek i always got so much like dark nuttiness and oakiness on bookers

yeah i'm not quite getting that on this i'm just kind of getting like it's almost light like you

almost like the older one like it's kind of got like light but it's not those dark rich flavors

that you think of when you think of bookers right maybe we're misremembering let's let's try it all

right if if not i will grab one of my other bookers and we'll just grab the new one just

to see for fun too all right let's try it cheers it tastes like bookers i think the nose was a bit

off it's got the dry at the finish it's dry it's nutty less sweet it smelled very sweet but it

it doesn't taste as sweet that one almost almost tastes like not uh like thin on the palate like

this one's almost like rich almost has like a good texture to it oh the old the old one like

the mouth feel the interesting thing is the old one i'm going back to nose the the 1995 bookers

it smells like that one tastes yes that's kind of weird but the recent one doesn't smell nearly

is i mean they're similar like going back and forth they're similar yeah they still taste really

good and to be fair there's nothing wrong with it like but that's back before the price though

no right in the middle of the price it was like 60 i was gonna say yeah 80 or 90

so i will say 2020 03 bookers um is one of my favorite ones of late now again i've tried the

2021 um releases on a flight with our friend michelle from women of whiskeys if y'all missed

that stream it was so much fun uh so i have not tried any of the 2022 ones yet um but this i

remember being one of my favorites of 2020 2020 so that's why i pulled this one out and i like as

you can see if you're watching the video version it's almost gone yeah because my favorites was

like with a lot of people i like country ham that was my most was that 2020 that was 2019

three i think if i remember correctly yeah country ham was 2019 03 and then um beaten biscuits was

also great i think 2019 was a great year for bookers and the 2020 i think was kind of hit or

miss i love pigskin batch yeah i know um jason from the mash and drum also really liked this batch

um but then you guys talk about the price increase which i guess brings us to our conversation well

first let's figure out which of these we prefer i'm surprised by how much i like both of them

i agree they are different i'm gonna go back to the the vintage one just to do a little last taste

there i will say that i agree with you you mentioned earlier that there's like a heavy

like a heaviness to the mouthfeel and stuff on the older one i agree it also has a longer finish

the overall experience of the older one it coats your mouth it has a long finish and i mean it's

delicious i mean that again i would pay a hundred dollars for that one today if it were available

yes now compared to the 2021 i think they are similar flavors but i have to give the nose to

the 95 on just this nose alone 100 yeah the nose of that one's definitely better this one i will

say even though pigskin batch was one of my favorite recent batches the finish just kind of

just kind of disappears i'm still like tasting the the the 95 one as i drink this one because

i feel like this one goes away so quickly and it's like if that was a hundred dollars like what i

feel like i would be justified and like i would say no no i'm with you i would you know maybe 80

80 i think is pushing it but even then and speaking of which even then we gotta talk about

knob creek yes knob creek single barrel just the regular single barrel not even a pick

nine years old 120 proof so a little bit lower proof in this um it's also it's a single barrel

versus a batch but that's 50 to 60 at most for a non-pick and even the picks are sometimes 60

yeah like i mean i've actually seen some non-picks for like 40 45 at costco and those are at least

nine years old that's three years more of age yes it may not be blended you know i mean that's that's

another conversation which i think you would be a great person to have that with yeah blended whiskey because you're such a fan of old carter and what they do there um you know there's absolutely

no denying that there's skill and there's artistry behind blending however when you're dealing with

a bunch of potentially younger whiskey like bookers is a blended six better than a nine single barrel you know it depends right yep and another live stream idea for you is do that Do four or five of blended versus single barrels of products and do blind

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there. I love hearing your thoughts about this. Speaking of thoughts, I actually asked Patreon

beforehand what their thoughts were on Booker's. So had a few comments come in. So I want to read

those out for us here today and we'll react to them. So the first one that came in was from our

friend Nate over at Bubble Bath Bourbon. He said, I just drink Old Tub instead, which I mean

Old Tub is Jim Beam bottle and bond. I will say it has nuttiness. Old Tub is nutty

It's also like a $20, $25 bottle. So, I mean, if you like it, you like it

I mean, I'm a Jim Beam fan. I like pretty much everything they do except white label. So, you know what

You know what? For your money, Old Tub might be the better buy. Let's be real. You do you, boo-boo

And then our friend Todd Koopa says, I really enjoy Booker's and used to seek every bottle

but I haven't bought a bottle in a couple of years. In my opinion, they have been a hit or miss bourbon lately

and with the price going up haven't been worth it for me to hunt after the consistency just hasn't

been there for me to buy every batch however if there is a batch that gets highly recommended by

people i trust i would look for a bottle 100 that's what we let's literally what we're saying

yep 100 i'm glad to see that other people feel the same way because like bookers used to be an

insta buy for us we would always buy it for like 60 bucks like you box i mean barrel proof blended

like we love the distillery but with the price increases like i get it i get it things are more

expensive now right inflation we understand that but such a drastic increase um and not necessarily

related to an increase in quality i mean the only thing i can relate it to is kind of like you know

when heaven hill had their bottle and bond that was a kentucky only release that was a six-year

bottle and bond it's like 18 bucks or something super affordable um and then they re-release it

um started out limited now i think it's pretty much national as a seven-year bottle and bond

that one went up to 45 dollars everyone was livid all across the internet about it however

for a seven-year bottle and bond product for 45 bucks that's not a bad price no i mean we're

drinking less than seven-year-old bookers exactly double the cost so i get that but i feel like that

was increase in quality increase in distribution it was more available yes whereas this you know

it's it honestly i think bookers is less available now i don't know about less available that's true

i feel like it's still i mean it's still on the shelves everything but again it's just because it's on the shelves because the price increase which that seems to be everyone's number one

issue is the increase and i almost wonder if like you know i think for a while bookers became more

sought after like i feel like it kind of it wasn't allocated i mean i guess it technically is allocated

sort of but i think for a while as people started hyping up bookers and people started seeing out

and i remember it just it used to be super available back in 2019 then like into 2019 2020

i couldn't find it and that was right around the time they're like hey let's jump the price i was

like oh it's being sought after let's like make it more expensive they did that and now it's back

on the shelves but it's kind of just sitting there yeah the you made the loyal fans like us

kind of be like you know like i'll try before i buy now and it's just like yeah it's it's it's

interesting and good to hear other people say the same thing because it means we're not just like speaking our own little bubble here i mean i i love todd todd's an amazing sport of the show but

i haven't had a conversation with him about bookers so it's really fun to see his you know outside perspective about this and seeing how well it aligns with ours we have another comment from

our friend donnie the linux cat he said i stopped buying bookers in 2020 price kept going up when

when it reached 90 to 100 it was no longer worth it to me theresa's batch which was 2019 01 was

such a letdown i was still getting 13 to 15 year knob creek picks back then and found more value

in them oh man i miss those yeah those were so good and the 2019 was when those were all around

he said i have not really looked for bookers since 2019 sad because in 2018 earlier they were so good

in 2019 they were hit or miss can't speak for 2020 and beyond kind of what we were saying too

like 2019 was such an awesome year well i will say i don't really recall teresa's batch um i do

know that i loved beaten biscuits and country ham yeah yeah like it was amazing whereas i feel like

2020 like it was even more hit or miss so i see i definitely get that i think for me 2019 was a

good year but you know everyone has different tastes but it kind of sounds in line with us i mean yeah i forgot about the whole that fact that there were a bunch of 13 to 15 year knob

creep picks that were coming out back then for again $60 or less so I mean to be fair that that

draw all of our all of us Jim Beam fans like like us we're buying those I actually still have maybe

a couple still hidden away maybe don't I won't let Brandon know about it um maybe you check my

box when I leave but so so that that kind of took our attention away and we were getting used to that

older Jim Beam profile which was amazing I mean I think a lot of us kind of I don't know if it was

like mandela effect or what but i when i went back to bookers and saw that it was only six years old

i was like wait i thought bookers was older but then i looked i looked the 2020 2019 2018 they

were all around six to seven years and i guess i just got so used to that that older age gem beam

that i was thinking that bookers was older i don't know why i had that because it's more expensive i

guess but so now you're looking at a six year you know batch product it is still cash strength which

is really cool comes in a really nice bottle and a box and it has a little story on each of them

which is super cool i do like that i appreciate that but for a hundred dollars i don't know man

i i don't think i will blind buy any bookers i mean i haven't haven't since i bought the 20 21

01 same as you um and i think we bought it because we heard people saying good things about it yeah

i mean to be fair i got mine at costco i think it was still 75 and i got mine or 70 i had a coupon

at the grocery store so i got mine for 80 so same thing right like you gotta be either way you gotta

discount a price yeah you know i know i asked patreon but like if you guys have thoughts on

this, please either post on our discord or email me contact at bourbonbites.com

I really want to hear your thoughts on it. By the way, people have been emailing me their thoughts about podcasts

I really, really appreciate this. I'm so sorry. I've not responded to a couple of those emails. I will get back to you as soon as possible

It's just been kind of hectic with everything going on. Most of you guys know I'm in between jobs right now

So I've been kind of balancing, you know, job searching and creating content for the

podcast and the live streams and stuff. So I've fallen a bit behind with responding to emails, but I do want y'all to know I

I appreciate those and hearing your thoughts on these podcasts. It really does mean a lot. But yeah, so I don't know

I'm torn because I used to love Booker so much. Well, that and Jim Beam as a company shot themselves in the foot because I don't know if you want to go down this road or not

Let's do it. Let's do it. When you're selling Knob Creek picks 13 to 15 years old for $60 and then you've got Booker's batches going up in price

but yet the age is still the same. The proof is about the same. Half the age

Exactly. Exactly I just meant that Why would you not want a 15 year pick versus a seven year batched bottle when one is 60 and then the cheaper or the younger one is more expensive How does that work from a company standpoint

Well, and that's why I appreciate Donnie bringing that up. I mean, I had completely forgotten about that era

Was the downfall of Booker's because of these older Knob Creek's? It's possible because, again, we don't know if they were using some of these barrels to blend for Booker's or what the deal was

Maybe these were the rejection barrels. you know i don't i don't know yeah or just i mean i think people that were fans of of jim beam and

knob creek and bookers went for those because those were i mean at least here in southern california those are pretty available they were available for a while and then as soon as bookers

prices started going up everyone's like why am i going to pay more i'll just start getting on these older picks and that's when they start going and then hot cakes i remember it got announced

that they were good i don't even know if it's even announced but someone realized that the

picks were all gonna be like nine yeah they're all going all those older ones were going away and it was instant it was instant i never saw any store shelves and everything i never saw any

the older releases after that and that was probably 2020 probably into 2020 yeah i think

it was right around it lasted about a year so that year was really great i had so many everybody was loving the picks they were all great next thing you know like they're all gone

yeah so i mean you know maybe they did shoot themselves in the foot there you know maybe

that's what happened or just that they caught up with the hype and like hey let's raise our prices

and see what happens and then you know people either like and i will say i've heard other people

talk about this too i know um quite a few other youtube channels i don't want to name them my name But they've also kind of stopped buying every batch of Booker's because it's just no longer, it's not worth the gamble

I mean, if you hear people talking about a batch and your pallet aligns with theirs, like maybe some of y'all like our pallet and align with our pallet, we'll tell you if something's good

But, you know, $100 for a blind buy, yes, you know what it is, Booker's

You know it's like, you know, cash strength between six and seven years old lately. But, you know, $100, that's kind of pricey

Yeah, and then that opens up the next topic conversation is look at all the bottles you buy for $100 or less

that are cast rank that are older that are you know check out all the boxes for you

other distilleries so and again this is no no shade towards jim beam i'm still a fan i still

buy knob creeks even the younger picks the nine to ten year old picks i love them for the price

you know it's still 60 or less i think it's delicious i mean i mean even like i mean you

got to look at things like you know i hate to put company against company but ledger keg barrel

proof 12 year it is a batch it's a batch there's three different batches a year those technically

which I think is kind of crazy the MSRP on those are still $60 which I don't ever see I was gonna

say I thought they went up because I don't see for 60 I see for 70 and 80 and more I had a press

release recently and it did say 60 I but then someone commented on my YouTube videos today

actually I was responding to a comment I think they were in New Hampshire they found Logitech Barrel Proof the most recent batch on the shelf for 60 I'm like so jealous I wish that

was me but um so yeah MSRP still 60 now I will say a Logitech Barrel Proof being a 12 year old

product again twice the age of the bookers yeah i know i love heaven hill i also love gem beam

for under 90 i'll buy an electric barrel proof again it's older it's consistent i feel like you

know there are differences between of course of course i know you're not the biggest fan of electric barrel no but still but you've never been it's not like it changed exactly hasn't

changed but still that's that's gonna be a better buy because it's still cheaper and they're pretty

at least they're pretty consistent like saying they're pretty they're a little closer whereas i

feel like the bookers batches like you said it's really good or like you're like donnie you hate

teresa's batch and i think a lot of people said that a lot of people said either about teresa and also there was granny's batch i think was 2018 people hated it people made jokes about it so

yeah i mean man i you know i hope i hope they come back from this i hope they either

lower the prices which i don't see happening i don't i wouldn't count on that anytime soon but

maybe you know up the age a bit you know maybe eight nine years 10 if i remember correctly if

i remember correctly didn't you say the the last this latest release of 2022 01 or 02 was it seven

Seven years, one month. Yep. So at least they upped it a little bit. They did a little bit. And they also lowered the proof

That's true. The more recent releases have all been around like 123, 124 proof

So I mean, it's minuscule numbers. It's not like that much, but still. If you were at GenBeam right now and they're like, save bookers, what would you do to save it

Now, be realistic. I don't think price is coming down. I think we've already been on that. Honestly, like you said, either price has come down, which is most likely not happening

or the quality has just got to go up. But again, what you mean by quality, you know, is it the barrels they're choosing

Is it who is, you know, blending? Is it, I don't, you know, how would you fix that

And that without working a distiller, we don't know what the options are. Yeah

Cause we don't know what barrels are available. I mean, let's say those 13 to 15 year knob creeps are still, the barrels are still there

Yes. Shoot. Make a Booker's that's 12 to 15 years old and their lowest, your youngest whiskey in

that is 12 years old. A hundred bucks, I'd buy it. I'd buy it. I think, you know, these barrels are obviously still sitting there because the Knob Creek's are bottling them younger now

I mean, I don't know for sure. I don't work for the distillery. I don't know anyone at the distillery. But maybe, you know, save these older barrels, consistently increase the age of the bookers

And you know what? I might be back on board for $100. Yeah. So I think their biggest competitor right now is, like, electric barrel proof

And that one's 12 years old minimum. Yep. And it's cheaper. 12-year age stated for 60. Yeah

Yeah. I'm really curious to hear what everyone else has to say about it. If anyone else has any thoughts, like I said

feel free to send me an email or post on discord. Let us know your thoughts. I know we're not alone in this. Like I said

some of my amazing patrons have kind of shared similar thoughts, but I want to hear from the rest of the community. You know

do y'all feel the same way? Definitely let us know. So Brandon, any final thoughts? We did our tasting

I think the vintage one to me, I prefer the vintage. I mean, but who doesn't

I was going to say most, most, yeah, most everyone, everyone prefers vintage whiskeys over the current ones

But I will say side by side, I was more impressed with how similar they were

Yes. I thought at first they were going to be so different. I think, of course, the vintage one to me is still better

But there's some similar notes there. Again, this was probably $50. This is probably double the price

I was going to say, $70 or $80. Still good stuff. I mean, we're not doubting the quality

I mean, Booker's is still legit. It's just the price that's just got us. It's made us doubt our loyalty

I think I'll say that. I don't want to say we're not fans. It's made us hesitant about our loyalty. but i mean i'll say i'm not loyal to bookers anymore i think a lot of people feel the same

way yep i mean obviously it seems like it so come on bookers get us back on board make me want to

buy every batch come on you can do it well anyways brandon thank you so much for joining me for this

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