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Victory Lap w/ UFC Vet Charles Rosa after Gamebred BareKnuckle MMA debut!
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Jan 20, 2025
This show should be called 3 UFC VETS! Jessica Penne and Angela Hill chat up Charles Rosa after he made bare knuckle mma look easy at Gamebred FC this weekend with a submission win over a Game opponent. Rosa is a dog in the cage and he's been keeping busy and winning since he walked away from the UFC. Rosa shares how he's been finding life outside the biggest show, how he's making more money and managing being his own manager. 00:10 Rosas feeling good after bare knuckle mma win! 05:00 The journey since leaving the UFC 09:30 the hustle of being your own manager 14:40 Rosa’s advice for young fighters like his pupils Lucas Rosa (brother) and Daniel Marcos when it comes to managers 21:05 How crazy is Bare knuckle mma vs regular mma? 27:30 Old UFC gloves vs New UFC gloves 30:22 Rosa luckily didnt break his hand while breaking his opponent’s jaw. Currently a free agent, holla! Powered by Duelbits. Join us: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1FaPU4wQCG9RdbNlMBI-fA/join
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awesome yo Angela what's up how's it going you look all chipper like you just want a fight yeah I'm happy I know
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barely any bruising how are your hands uh this one if you can see is a little
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bit swollen this one oh yeah yeah it's swollen but um I just got an x-ray
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yesterday the doctor said it's not broken so good news nice nice dude how
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hard is it to uh convince yourself to throw a whole uh Hard Punch doing bare
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knuckle I mean I was that the first round I was more hesitant because I was throwing like leg kicks and stuff but
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then I just kind of was like well I about to find out and I just like once I hit it felt exactly the same but you
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know how a flight is you don't feel till after but I've never ever had my hand swap ever my whole life in a fight but
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this was the first time I did so obviously it's different you know nice should we do a like an introduction real
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quick gonna say that yeah yeah yeah do an
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introduction well thank you for joining us Charles Rosa coming off of his big win against Peter Barnett at game breed
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fighting MMA bare knuckle 8 um congratulations um what what's your
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whole experience like going from MMA to Bare knuckle MMA and how did you make that decision well thanks for having me
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on guys you know I I've been following both your careers and you know you're two of my favorite Fighters and uh you
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know thanks for having me on and I mean especially Jessica too you know you know got I've got to almost travel most the
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world with her we've got to do some cool Armed Forces entertainment trips around the world so you know that's that's obviously you know how I met her and
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Angela me and you fought on Mexico City car when you fought Tisha Torres like yeah hundred years ago that waso that
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was epic when I fought y Rodriguez so that was um that was that was that was good times but thanks for having me on
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the show it's good to finally be on and uh but you know to answer your question Jessica like I man like it was a great
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experience it was everything I hoped for I mean it was um I was definitely nervous when they called me and told me
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it was Bare knuckle because I always said like I would never do that and like unless the money was right and you know
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the money wasn't exactly what I wanted but it was still a big fight you know I fought the number one guy from New England he was the cage Titans Uh
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current champion and I'm the CES current champion so those are like two Rivals and to be able to go there and like
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defend that belt with honor against the UFC vet pick up the win was you know was a dream come true and it's a huge
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platform too like game bread is is one of the biggest platforms um you know outside the UFC so you know I want to be
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fighting in front of people I want people watching and you know to let them know that I still got it you know what I'm
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saying you definitely looked very impressive in your outing and it didn't look past the first round it didn't look
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like there was any kind of apprehension uh with fighting without the gloves um
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they had said in your postf fight interview that there could potentially be talks of a title fight have you
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talked anything more about that yeah I saw Dean tool at the roulette table and I was like yo what's up with that title
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shot bro and because he told me he's like if you win this fight I'll get you a title so I was like let's make this
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fight for a title it makes sense like me and Pete Barrett are both current world champions you know like we're both
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ranked number one and two in the world outside the UFC for lightweights like what's up like why can't we just make
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he's like oh we already did the show we already did a budget and I'm like dude like just make it I mean we'll both do it and he said uh no well okay I'll get
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back to you I'll let you know and then I'm like well let's make it for like the BMF like badish [ __ ] from Boston Bel because we're both like the two best
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guys from Boston he's like all right I'll get back to you so neither of those happened but he did tell me he's like
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man you know when we have more time to plan it we we'll make the event around you and uh and you know um that's the
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plan I think I I think I deserve a title shot I'm on a six fight win streak with all with all finishes you know my last
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five fights before this were all first round finishes a mixing Knockouts and submissions and then I just you know finished the UFC tough UFC vet in the
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third round and um I thought I fought like a perfect fight and and you kind of said before like going back like I was a
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little bit hesit like right when I got picked up from the from the airplane like when the guy picked me up one of
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Dean Tool's guys the first thing he said when we get in the car is like how you feeling I asked the same question you did how you think about this uh be
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knuckle fights he's like you know last time every single person went to the hospital and I was like dude what the
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[ __ ] doesn't make me like less stressed out like I was thinking in my head like everyone went to the hospital like
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that's not that's scary and but uh luckily I didn't have to go to the hospital I'm good I did go to the doctor
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and found out my hand's not broken so that's good news that's great news you know I mean he's right though because I
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feel like in um I I've cornered our friend Beck Rollins in barole boxing quite a few times and it seems like
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there really isn't anyone that comes out of unscathed so you're very lucky that there's you know minor losing minor
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injuries um you know coming from somebody who fought on the biggest stage in the UFC and now picking up all of
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these ones afterwards what has that Journey been like has there been any kind of apprehension or frustration
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since leaving the UFC um no I mean I'm doing what I love I'm the aside when I fight every time people are coming to
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see me you know it feels good to when your fa is on the poster sometimes and everybody is you know you're the talk
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and you're the main thing in the fight and you know I think um you know the UFC was awesome to me I really don't have
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anything bad to say I actually had two fights left on my contract when I was released I I had Hunter Campbell talked
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to me and Sean Shelby I you know had a over an hour long conversation with each of them and they kind of just gave me
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the runaround like hey Charles you know you're you're getting older we have all these guys that are 21 20 years old that
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are you know 15 and0 records that deserve the same opportunity that you got when you came into the UFC like it's
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only fair to give them a shot and I'm like yeah but you're replacing me like you want to replace me with guys that I
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can beat like isn't the UFC supposed to have the best fighters and he's like no absolutely but you know this is we want
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to give these guys the same opportunity and you know on top of it they didn't really say it but they're paying these guys you know one tenth of the money
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that I was getting at that point I'm you know 14 fights in the UFC my my you know I had was getting good pay but that
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being said one of the reasons I decided to leave uh is I made the decision you know not to wait because they basically
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said we don't know when we're gonna fight you next it might be a whole year um I was like you know I I'm 38 years
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old I want to be active so if you only fight me one time in the next year I'm 39 then you fight me one time and I'm 40
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I don't I don't I love fighting and it keeps me saying it's my it's also for my mental health so in that time since I
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got released I decided to get released and they let me go in my contract no problems they were really cool about it
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um you know I fought I think that was my fifth win in a row and I made more money from those five wins fighting outside
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the UFC's with sponsors and and the pur from the fights than I did if I one UFC
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fight in bonus like I mean I've Gotten Good bonuses so I take that in consideration the UFC i i five Time Performance bonuses but I mean in these
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five fights I made more than I would have if I won one UFC fight even with the salary I was at so I think I made
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the right choice um I mean I did have to fight five times but uh I'm happy because I'm on a five fight winning streak now and I'm active and fighting
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around the world doing what I love no I love hearing that it's um you know there's a lot of apprehension and
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attachment to you know the UFC banner and some people are you know willing to to be sat and sheld and you know wait
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for their opportunity when it's given to them but it's really nice to hear that on the other side of it there's a lot of
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other possibilities and and you're winning yes yeah I won a World Championship defended it um you were
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there for that was pretty cool and it just that's always been a dream of mine too and uh it didn't look like the
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direction the UFC was taking me like giving me tough fights in other countries against Hometown guys and you
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know short notice fights like it looked like it was a long ways away didn't think it was impossible but it just it
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just seemed like it was it was going to be a it just didn't seem like it made sense I'm like how could I possibly fight for a UFC World title if I fight
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once a year or twice a year and then I'm fighting these tough fights in other countries so even if I do sometimes you
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win a fight I I've like you were there Angelo when I fought y Rodriguez in Mexico he ended up being UFC world champion but we you know we're in Mexico
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City man and I'm fighting a Mexican and it goes to Split Decision doesn't go my way that changed the whole trajectory of
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my career so um you know I'm I'm sometimes still better about it but you know I think things happen for reason
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I'm in a good spot now so I'm happy well you know I can relate to that yeah yeah
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those those Crossroads in the road where you're like man if if the if the judges had just liked me a little more than the
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other guy then that might mean a world of difference with my career it's funny
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where you from what's your hometown Angela um I'm from Maryland but then I lived in New York and now I'm in San
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Diego so it's like I don't really have a group of people who are going to connive for me you do you have a whole
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fan base around the world what are you talking about hey man I I feel like Brazilians come in and they're like we
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like her better even though she's from a different country but yeah no it it sucks you know I I feel your I feel your
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pain with that and definitely um on the getting older side too and it's cool
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that you were able to just say hey I'm gonna get out here and fight a bunch of
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fights just do what I love to do is is it more of a hustle on the outside of
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the UFC yeah that's the thing is like the one thing I do miss about the UFC is like I'm not you know calling sponsors
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asking for money put you know making these shirts with all my sponsors on them like this it's a lot of it really
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is a lot of work and I I mean I kind of manage myself at this point because I kind of know the game I've done it so
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long and you know but I gota I make shirts I got my walk out Banner I'm calling these sponsors making sure I'm
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getting the money making sure I'm doing my social media post to to keep the sponsors happy it's it where in the UFC
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all I was just telling my my roommate's Daniel Marcos he's a Peruvian fighter who lives with me's my roommate he's 16
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and0 in the UFC 4-0 uh in the UFC right now and you know I've been kind of showing him the blueprint but it's like
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when I see him all he has to worry about is the fight like all he he does some interviews and stuff with but it's all
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good stuff but he's not worrying about you know putting sponsors together getting his fight shorts making his fight kit getting his Corners flown out
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like everything's pretty much done all he has to do is worry about the fight which I'm like much better when it just
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focused on one thing like when I have like you know Jessica knows me from the trips like I have like crazy ad I can't
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I'm doing like aund things at once I'm like yo I need some help like it's hard but you know um I've been able to do it
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and I'm happy and uh you know it's a learning thing and I also get the blueprint from my little brother Lucas Rosa who's uh you know he's undefeated
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now 4 and0 Pro and he's following the footsteps and he got my blueprint so it makes it a little bit you know easier to
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kind of show them the ropes and you know to kind of go back and Resort back to doing what I did to get to the UFC to
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redoing it I mean I'm definitely better at it so I'm able to do pretty well making sponsors and stuff but I do miss
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like the opportunity to get those you know 50k bonuses and I messed up you know that Venom money was pretty good I
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was at like well I don't know like close to 20 G's a fight so yeah lucky if I make that you know on my own now but
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it's if I do it's a Hustle but but I like I said I'm not complaining I I do I
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love to do and I'm still at it and I'm healthy and that's number one that's awesome did you did you have a manager
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when you were in the UFC yeah I had managers uh you know I had tons of them
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um you know my I wish I just you know I wish I just had Brian Butler like you know like
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Jessica because he's been he's awesome he's like the only dude that didn't manage me but I mean I've always had good relationships with the with the
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manager it's never been like that bad thing so just you know certain guys are you know you know how the politics work
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certain guys are tight with certain people at the right times and they get what I need to get done and uh whoever
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can do the best job of that that's the whole point of being a manager but um yeah I mean I've also paid a lot of
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money out back in the day managers would take 20% of your purse the gym would take 10% your first yeah back in the day
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I mean when I first got sounded UFC managers were taking 20% it was normal 10% goes to the gym or 5% whatever and
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after taxes man you owe money you know so it's like I I figured it out now I know what to do I got the blueprint I'm
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doing so nice nice how how hard was that conversation to let your manager go when
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you you decided to do I just said hey like can you get me a new UFC contract
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and he's like no and I'm like well this guy can uh and he's like okay well I
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want the best and that's the thing is like all my managers have always wanted the best for me and if they didn't I feel like they wouldn't have been
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managed me in the first place like none of them have been bad it's nothing no bad will they've all done amazing like
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Joe cavalaro was good friends with Dana White he is good friends with Dana White and he was one of my great best managers
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he got me you know three new UFC contracts when I think like you know Sean at the Shelby at the time was kind
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of given a little bit of push back oh we don't know if we're gonna resign you like my first UFC contract I was two and
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two I won two fights lost two fights two finishes my two wins were two finishes my two losses was a split decision to Y
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Rodriguez and a decision against um the number eight guy in the world Dennis
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Siver and they were both fighting the night so think about this I'm two and two uh two both losses fight of the night in
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other country in other countries and one of them on four days notice against you know the number eight guy in the world
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my first UFC fight the other two I picked up two my two wins at the Boston Garden which I have the most alltime
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wins at like big you know big big big fights you know big stages and then they're like yeah we're not going to
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resign you and I'm like what do you mean like I'm two and two but like both my fights are fight of the night the whole
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point of this is UFC is to be an entertaining fighter one of them I took on three days notice kind of like ear
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shut like nothing you know he's like no we love you we'll bring you back if you can go and win a couple so you know I
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got my guy Joe cavalaro who's awesome Boston guy good friends with Dana called Dana and once Dana found out he's like
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wait what do you mean of course you had to resign that kid he's a monster dude like he fought [ __ ] Dennis Siver to
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one of the greatest fights ever like it was fight of the year you know for well
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2 whatever year it was when I fought Dennis Siver like he's like resign that kid and then but that was the only guy
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that could get that phone call you can't just called Daniel white and he's picking up the phone back then you know so I mean he was able to make that call
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so anyone I released to answer your question anyone that was it was completely understanding and they just
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wanted the best for me so nice so knowing all that you know now with all of your past experience with with
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managers and organizations would you encourage young fighters to get a manager or to kind of Hustle by
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themselves combination you gotta use all the resources you can possibly use um
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it's like you don't know I got my buddy you know Dustin lampros right now he's N9 and0 he was on The Ultimate Fighter show 9 and0 all first round finishes
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he's ready but he's been waiting a whole year every single day he's dieting he's calling me oh I might fight this weekend
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I might every day like you know Jason host is managing him right now and every week he gets a call like every probably
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once every two weeks he's calling me saying oh I'm gonna fly out to Vegas tomorrow you want to come and then everything's ready to go he's died for
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two days he can't sleep for two days he's cutting weight then the fight never happens and it's just like it's I don't
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think it's anything anybody's doing malicious but man like this it's it's uh if I was if I was to say I'd say just
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use all the resources you can you know I think that it's good to have a manager because if you don't have Dana White's
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phone number or Sean Shelby or Dean TL or whoever is you know in charge of
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these promotions that you want to fight for then someone has that number that there's a lot of value to that so you
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got to make sure you're getting the note to the right people but yeah I think a manager is very useful I Ed my whole career it just sucks paying
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them like what did you do for this oh okay you have phone call is worth a lot
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of money these days yeah it is um so what is on the horizon after
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fighting you've been fighting for a long time you've talked about your age you've talked about all of your experience and stuff like that do you see yourself
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fighting for much longer or have you given any any thought to that at all um I don't know that they were asking me
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the same conversation I had a neck injury like five years ago I had a double neck fusion and that's what the
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doctors would say to me and the interviews they're like what are you gonna do you can't fight the doctor literally told me he's like it's
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improbable you'll ever fight again like you got to retire like you're done and I'm like no he's like it's less than a
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1% chance you're coming back and I was like are you telling me it's improbable or impossible because 1% sounds pretty
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good to me I'm a 1% and I did I came back and I fought but you know I mean nobody beats father time I mean I don't
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know Mike Tyson just fought but he didn't beat Father Time F him
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though I mean I I just like I'm the type of person that I do what I love to do and I probably will do it till the
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wheels fall off like hopefully they never do but I I do what I love to do and I it sure beats going to you know I
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worked in a restaurant all the way fighting up through the UFC like you know beats beats making Caesar salads
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for people all day and steaks you know what I'm saying like I I I mean I really love fight and I love coaching so you
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know I coach my little brother I think he's the next upand coming Prospect my my brother Lucas Rosa I get a couple
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guys in the team I got my roommate Daniel Marcos who I helped coach him a lot I brought him onto the contender got
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him to 40 UFC and I would love you know for him to see him win a UFC World title which I think he's very capable of doing
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and uh man coaching you know what I'm saying I don't know how much money there is in it but maybe if like you know
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Daniel becomes like Conor McGregor or something I maybe get like a couple dollars but I don't I don't even know I
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don't I mean Daniel is very impressive he's incred but but I mean
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like I I mean I do it like I never ask anybody for money and stuff like that I I do it because I love it and at the end
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of the day I think if you do what you love and you're the best at it then you'll be happy I mean it definitely would be nice to get like a couple
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million bucks like someone just to give it but I don't know I'm still waiting on that you're definitely gonna have to start asking for it okay so don't don't
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do charity cases forever but it's what it is but to answer your
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question I do I do um what was the question you asked I don't know you said like fight forever fight forever am I
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gonna fight forever uh well I mean I'm gonna do it if I can like my uncle Tommy Tom the bom Roa he's 56 years old right
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now and he just won you know the New England tough man competition for boxing he's not making M I love but he's still
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he's still cracking at it so it gives me hope to be able to do what I love like I don't want to be getting the hit in the head forever I want to be healthy but in
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the same breath I want to um be able to to to do what I love and not have people telling me what to do so I'm still there
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and I'm still making money and uh man I'm still winning so until somebody can beat me and give me a reason to retire I
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don't feel like I've ever lost is I mean I guess you can call me delusional but all my fights I I fight I fight like a
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style like if you don't knock me out or submit
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me I don't feel like I lost all the judges that I lost you know but judges you know whatever but that's what it is
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so I just feel like until somebody puts me away then uh give me a reason to retire you know I love that I'm I'm like
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that too I'm like if you can't finish me then kick rocks like you didn't win said you won yeah let's keep going
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10 Rounds let's see who surv I feel like I swear to God I feel like I'd be undefeated right right was to the death
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every fight but someone quits I never lost I never lost ever no I I can see that in you I can see that driving like
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you're unbreakable I feel like like you would just keep going keep going yeah well you talking about uh a
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father time being undefeated but uh the fight right before yours was pretty crazy it we saw the tail of the tape and
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it was like a 30 twoy Old versus a 48 year old or something like Alex
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Nicholson vers uh yeah yeah he walked me bro he walked out before me I'll be
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right back and I was like oh God came back and I was like [ __ ] happened but
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you know he's like I'm not losing to a 48y old and man that's what happened he lost and I love Alex Nicholson and it's
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tough but this is It's a brutal sport like that's what I said to my you know I I said to um I said to my little brother
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like my mom you know my girl came you know people came to the fight and they're like they're like I'm like this
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isn't like a basketball game it's not a hockey game like I'm going like War like I'm going to try to kill this guy and
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he's going to try to kill me and we're in Mississippi with you know they're going to be hooting and hollering like going like blood everywhere but you know
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luckily I made it out safe so yeah dude it was it was really wild watching
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watching the whole card because I didn't realize how much different bare knuckle
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looked from uh just from regular MMA like the bare knuckle part of it just
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made it look like a street fight more it made it look like not even a street fight but just like a real fight it
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looked real thing is everybody says like not to take anything away because I love fighting UFC but UFC is the Ultimate
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Fighting Championship Man game bre is the real Ultimate Fighting Championship like what's more ultimate than have
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fighting with no gloves on it's and it's not like like bkfc everyone's like oh that's the baddest sport no it's not
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because you can't knee and elbow somebody in the face and you can't use everything there's rules like there's literally like no rules in game bread
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like and you're fighting with bare Knuckles like that's the ultimate form of fighting and I think that's the baddest sport in the world right now and
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I think it's tough to argue that is that your favorite oh sorry go ahead right it's okay is
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that has that been your favorite promotion to fight for so far uh well I like fight in the UFC because of the
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platform like you know being able to fight at the Boston Garden like where the Bruins and the Celtics play like seeing all the banners hanging and you
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know the publicity and the you know sold out Arenas like where you you know the Boston Bruins are there watching you the
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Celtics are there you're meeting like celebrities you know there was some cool people at game bread but as far as the
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platform I think it's right there along with the UFC I think that game bread card had more press than some of the you
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know Apex cards I fought at so in the UFC so yeah this is where I want I want to be in the biggest platform fighting
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in front of the most people and on the biggest stage for me watching bare knuckle MMA
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was a lot more palatable than bare knuckle boxing it just um it makes more
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sense to me and I mean I could have a little bit of a bias because I come from MMA but it just seemed like a lot more
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full sport to me um do you see it becoming mainstream faster than baroka
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boxing um I think they're both on their way up I mean I think um you know I got a lot of offers from bkfc B um you know
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Feldman has called me a few times asking me to fight on his cards it's just that the money wasn't right I need at least
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$100,000 to fight and he he offered that but it was then that something else ended up happening like they they change
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venues and then there couldn't be as much like they came back on the price but for you to tell me to stand in front
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of somebody and use my bare Knuckles to punch someone in the head and have no other weapons you're going to have to
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pay me a lot of money and uh I do think that what you said dance your question yeah like I think that they're both
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growing ultimately fast like everybody wants to see it um the bare knuckle
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boxing I think is definitely a little bit more brutal unless like you're gonna hurt your hand or you're gonna hurt your
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face one or the other 100% there's no way around it where game bread it's a
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skill it's mixed martial arts like you can kick you can punch you saw my you know you saw I tried to fight very skilled out there I was trying you know
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to really use all my skills and uh that's what I tried to display and what I showed and it worked and I man I I
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think this this sport was meant for me because I feel like I'm I'm a tough I'm a real tough kid and I think that you
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know sometimes the gloves would get in the way of my submissions and the hand wraps like that stuff actually ruin like
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didn't ruin it but like every time I'd fight in the UFC I'd always be like oh man like damn like I always forget what
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it feels like to have your gloves and hand wraps on like it's a lot it's you don't you don't train like that you just
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put some gloves on you don't wrap your hands you put some tape around it and you go to work every day and you train
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but when someone else wraps your hand they have some thick gauze on it and then they put the gloves on now you're like this you don't have your grips so I
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have my grips man and you saw what happened I got you know I choked him unconscious that was that position you
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had was was amazing it looked awful to be in po I hit him with a couple elbows
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I'm like he's like oh dude I felt like I was I had him in a good position even
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Joe loon after the fight was like man you got to teach me that crucifix position dude that was nasty and to have
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a legend like Joe loon like someone I looked up to you know coming up in the game like you know obviously Grappler
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Bas techniques was really cool to to you know on my end to like to have someone
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like that you know being like oh you got to show me that and he was in Pete's corner so it was pretty
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cool that's funny yeah it was it was awesome to see you set that up uh I can
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I can understand what you're talking about with the gloves because a lot of times it's hard to get in those nooks and crannies too um and then they can
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grab the gloves and fight the gloves easier a lot of like that and I've also
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got a lot so yeah what what did you think watching um Michael Chandler versus Charles Aliva do
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you think the gloves had a big yeah had a lot to do with that fight I think if that was I mean I don't know
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I mean I did watch the fight I I uh I think that I think Charles Ola would be even better
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better be KFC like I think Michael Chandler would probably have a harder time because he has so much horsepower behind his punches that he'd probably
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break his hand every time he lands lands on top of someone's head his hand's broken where Charles Ola you know he
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doesn't have as much power behind his punches but he's more accurate so like that's what I'm saying like this it's
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not the same exact thing like it it benefits uh less it it benefits people
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that don't have as much power and they have more like Tech probably the B KFC
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and like better chokes and then it probably limits the people that are like uh shorter and like have uh a lot of
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power because they can hurt their hands when they hit if you hit some like I was trying not to punch as hard as I could I was like I'm like trying to like trying
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to snap my punches because I'm like the first round you asked like oh like well I was moving a lot I was like worried
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I'm like if I like blit because I have a blitz that I do that like Stephen Wonder Boy Thompson showed me like his dad Ray
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showed it to me and it's like a karate Blitz like I turn my toe and I just rip a straight shot down in the middle and I
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was like man I definitely 100% will hit this blitz right now but like is it worth it because I'm winning the round
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so what's the point of throwing a bliss besides if I knock him out then the fight's over but will it knock him out first and if I do hit him hard enough to
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knock him out am i g to break my hand and then be in a lot of trouble so I didn't do it I kind of just waited
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waited kept winning kept I won the first round and I was like okay maybe I'll do the second round and then like once he
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hit me then I don't even I just fought but I played strategically as long as I
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could yeah yeah they they uh just brought back the old gloves for Jon
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Jones he gets special treatment but I think they're gonna keep the new gloves
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for the rest of the cards right until I don't know I guess the headliner complains again but um a lot of people
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have been de debating what the difference is because there's been a lot less Knockouts since we got the new
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gloves and like me and Jess using it I feel like you probably seen it before too just from uh cornering your brother
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and stuff but have you felt them have you felt the difference between the old gloves and the new gloves yet yeah no
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yeah my um my roommate Daniel is like he actually gave me a pair of them because I didn't I needed some gloves to train
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one day and like they definitely don't feel you talking about the new UFC gloves yeah the new UFC gloves yeah yeah
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they feel softer I feel like they feel softer I think I think the reason for them was to make a Bend in the glove
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right so it doesn't eye pokes is that was the reason for it or I think so I think they were ALS
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the thing like it is softer though you know but the thing about the softness is that you
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can't get like a direct hit so like when you I feel like it's a little bit softer so when you hit like it kind of like
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it's not as precise because it it moves like a little more cushiony but the hard gloves like the older ones they're a
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little bit harder right would you agree they're a little bit like harder than like yeah it's like having like a knuckle duster you know yeah there's
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there's nothing to the new gloves well that's what my uncle Tommy said too when I told him I'm like fighting without the
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gloves because I asked if he ever fought he's like well there's a couple times they wanted me to do it but we they then end that because he's more of a boxer
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but he's like I'm gonna be honest like being a boxer like seeing the gloves that you're already fighting I mean those you basically just have a little
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piece of like a little tiny cushion over your hands it's like those like it's like no having no gloves UFC gloves are
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like no gloves anyways so you just take off even more but it's like it's pretty much the same thing I think pretty close
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yeah the metacarpal in place a little bit better than just a couple you know bands of tape that I've never hurt my
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hand in 50 I've had over 50 fights and I've never hurt my hand ever like in all
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my fights I've never even bruised a knuckle like I just and this my hand was like look like a softball after the
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fight so I was like but I also had Cru I was ripping I knew when I was hitting
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him like in the head when I had him in crucifix cuz I must have landed like 10 unan strikes in the crucifix it hurt so
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bad every time I hit him but I was like it hurts him more and I just thinking they would stop it and
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they never stop it so then I I'm like maybe I should try an elbow my hand really hurts and I was like boom and I hit him with the elbow and I'm like oh
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that at least that happened later in the fight like sometimes the adrenaline wears off yeah that's why third
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round that's awesome did you get to see what he looked like afterwards like was his face all up I talked to him actually
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I talked to him you know we we we uh I saw him at the casino after and you know played some played a couple hands of
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roulette with him and he uh thought he said he thinks he broke his jaw he's at actually he texted me today because he
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gave me his number he's like I'm at the doctor try to find out if I have a broken jaw and I was like well let me know I just I don't know I feel so sorry
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but oh my God hopefully I was like I'm at the doctor seeing if I have a broken hand I'm like you got a hard head but
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he's like I don't know if he like hearing that but whatever at least you hurt something
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on my he's a good kid though you know it's like you know we all do this for the same reason and he's from the you
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know same same neck of the woods as me and I respect him I've watched all of his fights he was you know the current cage Titans world champion and he beat
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some good guys he just beat a kid Jo gianetti I don't know if you saw the Kid Joe Genetti just got a knockout in karate combat but that was his last win
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so like we're fight he's fighting the best guys and he's winning so um you know he just had a tough night against
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me it was but he'll be back too yeah and he'll learn a lot from that uh do you
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have anything looking forward any offers yet or you still just like healing up well
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it's funny you say that because like I was trying to I'm like so like not burnt out from the fight but I after the fight
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um I had to drive uh fly directly Saturday morning to my grandmother's funeral she passed away at 98 so it
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happened like three or four days before the fight it was it was her time she was 98 but you know I went right from the
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fight I was didn't sleep right to the funeral to right from there I stayed in hang out with my family and
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for a day obviously to like for grieve and whatever then I flew right back home and I just didn't even have a second so
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I'm like I need to sleep like I slept like 14 hours straight last night but I woke up and I was still got a lot going
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on but it just yeah it's just like but you ask the question has anybody been calling but my phone's been ringing all
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day like I had like three managers call me hey you want to fight and then that bkfc call me asking me to fight I had
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man I had I've had people messaging me asking me to fight so I mean it's the position you want when you get people
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calling you then the the the hand you know you get the good hand and uh the ball's in my court so I get to call the
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shots down and that's what I wanted that's the good thing about leaving the UFC nobody tells me what to do they they ask me what I want to do and I get to
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call the shots where in the UFC they're like you're fighting in three days and I'm like no I'm not and they're like okay you can find a new new you could
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fight somewhere else and like what do you mean what does that mean does that mean you're cutting me if you I I suggest you take the fight I'm like okay
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you know what I mean like what the [ __ ] no it's like that this is bullly that's not the way to do that's not I don't
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like doing business like that like they're not bad people pay me and they've done everything they've told me they're gonna do but I don't like being
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I don't like not having control of stuff like that and now I do so the the you know I'm the aside and I get to call the
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shots now and uh man I'm I'm open to everybody I'm a free agent um you know on a sixf fight win streak I'm a
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defending world champion and I just will beat you know UFC vet the top ranked guy in in the world so um you know if you
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guys know anybody let me know I'm down to fight I'll fight like maybe I would say next week but maybe two weeks we
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gotta get you down here for a cage Warriors that's what we need to do line them up let me know I'm in you
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can manage me you can manage me Angela you got oh just for one fight I I don't want to tie they'll only take 10% I'll
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buy you dinner I'll buy you guys dinner after a that that'll be my pay I'll take it
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oh that's great yeah well thank you so much for your time Charles um you know
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with with everything going on with your family I'm so sorry for your loss um I know you want to spend time resting and
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and reconnecting with them and supporting each other so I really appreciate you taking the time well thanks guys thanks for having me on uh
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definitely look forward to rewatching it and um you know I I appreciate both of you and I love the podcast you guys keep
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doing so keep up the hard work and um Angela when you fighting next you know I
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don't know yet I'm still waiting they just announced that they're doing the LA card but I haven't heard anything yet so
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I'm like that's the one you guys better be on that I want to see I'm trying I'm gonna be at the UFC Tampa I don't know
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if you guys have been but my my roommate Daniel Marcos is fighting UFC Tampa December 14th so hopefully he stays
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undefeated so I'll be there but I appreciate you guys um you're the best thanks for having me on and uh I'll talk
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to you soon and catch you later awesome all right
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