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Transformers Director Steven Caple Jr. Talks Anthony Ramos, Tobe Nwigwe and Dominique Fishback
Jun 9, 2023
Steven Caple Jr. Director of the film Transformers: Rise of the Beasts in theaters Friday, June 9th
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trailer he's traded quite today I get
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goosebumps from it for so many reasons
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Transformers rise of the Beast is in
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theaters Friday
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we just had Dominique fish back here but
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it was important that we had the
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director for so many reasons man this
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guy has done some excellent work over
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the years that I've just happened to
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follow you know starting with the land
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back in 2016. I remember watching that
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going wow this is really interesting I
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didn't I didn't know that area of Ohio
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like that I didn't know you know I just
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didn't know what I was looking at in the
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same way when I would watch
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um shows like the wire even you know you
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know I felt like I was getting a bird's
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eye view I thought it was really well
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done and when I found out how young
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um the director was that made it um I
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was very impressed and then saw Creed
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too in um 2018 and was like yo this guy
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is on the rise I want to know him you
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know and it turns out that we have so
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much in common so I want to say
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congratulations for Transformers rise of
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the Beast you in another Lane now kid
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for real you would know nothing Lane now
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and we're proud to have you here please
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give it up for Stephen Capo Jr
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yeah Forbes said he was one of the 30
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under 30 in Hollywood in entertainment
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as soon as Fords put you in the you know
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publication man everybody started asking
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for money
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facts facts everybody Stephen Campbell
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Jr welcome to the show man thank you
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thank you for having me man it's trippy
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to be on here I'm not gonna lie okay so
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it's like it's a really uh it's an
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emotional moment being on the show I
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watched you for so long you know like
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growing up starting to put my age out
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there or yours that's okay I've been
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around so long man they stopped counting
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you know how how Young
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Elementary years and as far as
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Elementary man but just to be here with
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you guys the energy is always great you
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know what I mean thank you so far so I
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just want to say I love what you do and
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uh yeah there's so much connective
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tissue man in terms of my career people
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I ran into and people have been on this
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show that you even introduced me to
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which is crazy that's that's you know so
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one of the people was Ezra do you
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remember him yes remember him the Young
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Band that came up uh came up here with
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his mom yeah with his mom she was
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battling cancer at that moment and uh he
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came up here from Cleveland Ohio my
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hometown did a freestyle on your show
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yeah I killed it went viral viral and I
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saw it when I was casting my project and
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um yeah I put them into my film because
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of this show like he's literally
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auditioning and his career took off
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snowfall things like that like he was in
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everything and um yeah because you
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because you gave me the platform
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thank you Stephen I'm not gonna take all
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that I'm a conduit you know it's coming
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from somewhere else I'm just here I'm
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just playing my position that's part of
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my purpose same with Toby and wigweight
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yeah who's in Transformers who's killing
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it by the way he is man yeah and so you
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found him on this show yeah no so I
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didn't find him on the show but uh he he
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came up here and told the story of how
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he was casted and uh yeah and it was
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because my best friend who passed he's
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from Brooklyn New York and he introduced
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me to Toby's music right before he had
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passed away during 2020 which is a crazy
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and dark year and so uh the day of his
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funeral legit here we buried his body in
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Brooklyn I got the script for
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Transformers and in that script itself
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and I kid you know October 5th I know it
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like the back of my hand 2020 and I got
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the script and there was a character in
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there at that time it was named Hank and
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I was like I'm gonna dedicate this
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character to my friend like his best
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friend role and so I changed it to reek
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which uh which is his name and uh yeah
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wrote it to like fit his personality and
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then when casting it that's when Toby
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came about another friend of mine Bernie
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was like you love Toby's music so much
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you think he can act he never acted a
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day in his life and uh we put a camera
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in front of him and and he killed it man
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he did amazing but it was a dedication
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to like all his philosophies when you
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guys check out the film like the
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characters out there you know there's a
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lot of it's from this uh this real guy
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named Tyrique and and Toby just he
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bodied it he bodied it so does he do you
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see your friend and when he plays the
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cast I do it's trippy man I get an
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emotional thing about his family is
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about to come out to the premiere
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tonight I have them all coming out
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Tyrique his whole fam his mom his dad uh
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the Jackson family and so they'll be
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there but yeah every time I hear his
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name on the screen and like and it's
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just yeah so much like him I hear uh
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Anthony young his name read Greek in
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this because he's just so chaotic you
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know what I mean and he has a really
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interesting philosophy when you watch it
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and um you know and he's also a sheisty
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character too my brother was on that you
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know he would always you know look my
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way out he was that smooth
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um so you'll see man it's all in there
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and I hope to make the family proud too
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absolutely I know when you move I feel
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like you all you are you from Cleveland
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I am yeah so when I work
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um a lot of times I don't care what I've
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done a lot of different things you know
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but I always carry Oakland on my back
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yeah you know and I always want people
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to know things about Oakland that they
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don't commonly know uh talk about your
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relationship with Cleveland and how your
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work reflects that oh that's a great
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question
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um it's my hometown I grew up in
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Cleveland Ohio uh like for me I was
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always a kid that was going off
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Adventure you know I have a few friends
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here now my family they know me you know
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it was like Cleveland allowed my like
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allowed me to express myself in ways
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that I don't know if I can express
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myself in other places like we had that
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sort of like like goonies-esque boys and
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Hood the beginning of boys and at the
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opening you know once again I see a dead
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body like that's like our childhood
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growing up you know it was like let's do
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no dialogue
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exactly
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exactly it was exactly that right like
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you have gangs around the corner but at
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the same time like you know if you get
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the pass you get to pass you can go to
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Lake Erie and jump off the pier like we
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were doing all that kind of crazy stuff
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breaking into abandoned warehouses uh my
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mom is here she knows I don't know how
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many times she gave me a a whooping and
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a our pad on the back okay but uh yeah
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like that kind of shaped my childhood in
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a way I tell stories I didn't realize
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that probably until this project when I
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started to really like plan out and
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create arcs of like an actual adventure
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and be like oh we're going to prove
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we're going to these different places I
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was like trying to make New York and
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again not to segue into the film but
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trying to make New York an adventure to
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Peru feel like something big and epic
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and you kind of tap into your childhood
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a little bit like what did I do as a kid
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like what felt fun and what felt
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mysterious and um you know thankfully
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the city itself like provided that like
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you know Liberty to like have fun and
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just do what I needed to do to grow you
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know this this is a huge franchise I
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don't know if they get bigger than this
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you know
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um yeah true
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but it's really big it's not many that's
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you know it's in that Elite group and
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you know I I just wonder how many days
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um did you stay up at night just
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thinking about this so many days man it
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was the most stressful thing I've ever
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done in my life uh yeah it was tough man
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I don't know how many times I got sick
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during this project we also shot during
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quarantine which was really really tough
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um but yeah sleepless nights many man
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it's just like we shot for I don't even
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know it's close to 80 days just a bit uh
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but the preparation everything it takes
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to get the visual effects done and
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travel across the world first film was
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in Cleveland right that was like two
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three weeks three week shoot in
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Cleveland Ohio you know then we did
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Creed which is like close to 50 days
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almost and that was all in Philly and
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then to do Transformers where you're
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like you know Montreal New York Iceland
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Peru the terrapoto jungle Cusco like
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it's so much traveling and it's so
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taxing on your body and there's that
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little stress level of like are we
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getting what we need to get because
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you're moving so fast you know there's
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so many fans like you said who are
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watching the project and like expecting
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greatness you know what I mean and so
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like then there's you there right me as
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a black director that's like ah we can't
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drop this ball like it's our time we got
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that we got the ball let's do what we
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have to do so all those things kind of
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keep you up at night but um I got a
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great support team yeah I mean I'll say
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that you brought your mom and dad here
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bro yeah yeah you know usually there's
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one just a lot of times for us as one
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parent yeah yeah you know so meeting
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your dad I thought was you know I'm a
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dad so you know got both parents here
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and they're about to walk the red carpet
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yeah no they are man uh this is my dad's
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first time in any of my movies really
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yeah so you got it what you got a suit
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you're gonna wear tonight what you gonna
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wear tonight
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You're Gonna Go casual
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okay
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[Music]
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I'm curious one thing I've always loved
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about you is that you are not afraid to
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bring culture and identity into these
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iconic roles and movies and film I'm
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thinking about Creed how you made that
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so cultural but it was such an already
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iconic property with Rocky looking at
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Transformers and listening to talk about
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your best friend reek right and how you
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brought him into this mainstream iconic
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movie how do you get I guess the
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strength and the confidence to approach
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culture and authenticity into these
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already well-known properties but
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without being afraid of the pushback
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because it's so hard for people to bring
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themselves into Corporate America yeah
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right let alone to a big black office
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success uh I expect to push back on
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everything that I do I think going into
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it you know what I mean
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um uh my team will tell you you know
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what I mean like we go into it no like
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I'm gonna fight for this I'm gonna fight
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for that but it's the only way I can
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make a project you know it's one of
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knows I'm kind of like go at it or shut
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down you know and I feel like if I'm
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going to do it I have to put all of me
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into it and find those things that I'm
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gravitating there's it's a long process
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to make a movie and if you don't find
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like those pieces those nuggets that are
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like are you that represent you then I
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can't do a project you know so for me to
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have a character in the film whether
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it's Adonis Creed and he's like I'm
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about to he's getting married in our
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film he has a his daughter you know so
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to speak stages that I'm going through
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in my life I just had a daughter oh
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congratulations man happy early Father's
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Day oh yeah it's my first job
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she's really young but like you know
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when doing the movie I remember like oh
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this is going to be the next chapter of
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my life you know so to speak so like to
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be able to go what what fears do I have
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you know becoming a father and things
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like that and expressing that within
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film and then also as Adonis Creed a
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black father sit in that situation so I
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try to like tackle each project with
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that
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um luckily there's not pushback in them
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ends because I feel like our stories are
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still Universal enough you know what I
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mean like even though it's culturally
10:31
specific you can relate to it you know
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and I think finding the balance and
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expressing that and communicating that
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to anybody whether an exact the studios
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anybody actor who you're trying to get
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on board on the project being like yeah
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it's it's this kind of title like
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Transformers but Dominique you're going
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to be able to be you that young girl
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from Brooklyn I'm not going to take that
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away from you but you're going to be
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this intelligent girl from Brooklyn who
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works at a museum and who's gonna like
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no spoil alerts but maybe save the day
10:57
at the end of the movie you know so
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stuff like that um but yeah bringing
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embracing the culture whether it's music
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whether it's wardrobe whether it's
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um just the actors themselves like I
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just want to make sure that every film
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sort of reflects that uh because it's
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the only thing I know you know it's like
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one of the things that inspired me and I
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tell the story all the time because I
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went to film school and people always
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think like Fellini and these other
11:17
really artistic directors like like got
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me inspired to make movies but it was a
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movie Bad Boys Bad Boys yeah it's like
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but it was it was bad boys it was
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because it was like Martin Lawrence and
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Will Smith together like jumping on top
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of cars like two black act like I was I
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flipped out my mama tell you I'm with
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her camcorder outside in the back with
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my cousins you run around the corner you
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jump on top of the car and I'm
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reenacting the movie you know trying to
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like actually make something and that's
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what inspired me as a director so if I'm
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like sitting in the seat and I can do
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that for someone else I'm that's
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literally my Mo I'm here to inspire
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Stephen cable Jr here man Cleveland
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stand up yeah stand up
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shout out to uh Bone Thugs-N-Harmony did
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you need anything but I did
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I met Stephen man
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somebody asking you're from New York
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have you met Jay-Z
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hanging out with bone bro I can't tell
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my bone thug story but yes I definitely
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have on my way to Cleveland to actually
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make my first film uh the land
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um I met yeah can't tell the story I
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can't tell the story
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it's not embarrassing I'll try to get
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Bone Thugs in my first feature to land
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and um yeah it was tough it was tough to
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try to get him there and like and and
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yeah just get them involved so I wasn't
12:35
embarrassing it was just like yeah it's
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fun though you ain't got to tell
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everything man I'm old school too you
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know you ain't got to tell it all Tracy
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um so often we will see actors reach a
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certain point in their career where they
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want to get behind the camera right
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either as a director as a producer and
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with you being a triple threat but
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behind the scenes as a director producer
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a screenwriter were you ever interested
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in acting yourself
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uh not necessarily like I thought that's
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what the passion was at first you know I
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started reenacting uh bad boys in the
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backyard I was in front of the camera
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but a lot of it was because I didn't
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know how to cast actors you know I'm
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talking like I'm 11 years old 12 years
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old even when I got to school in college
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17 18 I started to explore more and I
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was I was the actor I was the lead actor
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in the movies why did Dominic say
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something when she was up here
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she always saying like you the actor you
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the one in front of the camera
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um no I haven't had any like no I wasn't
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inspired at all to like act but
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um I have taken acting classes but all
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in a way to be a better director to
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learn what it feels like to be in front
13:43
of the camera so I can communicate clear
13:45
with my talent
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um because I don't want to like try to
13:48
say something and it's like why am I not
13:49
getting across this idea or concept so
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when I'm in a hot seat and taking acting
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classes I took them throughout College
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um it helps you you know better
13:56
understand what is asking a question
13:58
like oh I know why you need this
13:59
motivation can you give an example of
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something that you learned that's helped
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you you that's assisted you as a
14:04
director in communicating and uh acting
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class or yeah an acting class an acting
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class
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um yeah like a lot of it was around
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motivations a lot of listening was a big
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thing um sometimes you don't have to
14:16
give a note because like a like
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sometimes the actor the easiest simplest
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thing is like sometimes in the accuracy
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and they tell you this in acting class
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is to listen to your backing partner in
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the scene right and that's where I
14:26
realized that as a director you might be
14:27
stepping in Something Magic like
14:29
stepping on Magic by trying to like
14:31
Infuse something that the two actors
14:32
might be sharing personally because
14:34
they're actually listening to to each
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other and listening to the page so if I
14:37
give a no and they in like for Anthony
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Ramos if I give Anthony a no and he's
14:42
like yeah but Dominique is saying this
14:43
and I realize that my note is kind of
14:46
contradicting a chemistry between the
14:47
two yeah but I can be the director be
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like no this but this is how I want your
14:51
character Noah to read it and he's like
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nah but I'm reacting so it'll be a
14:54
moment where he's reacting off of
14:55
someone's energy right and so like I
14:58
didn't know that you know you step into
14:59
acting class and then you hear acting uh
15:01
note from a coach and you're like oh no
15:04
like but the way he's saying this
15:06
particular line I'm trying to respond
15:08
off of that so I could be again stepping
15:10
in a way and so being in that hot seat
15:12
and knowing what that meant that that
15:13
carries a long ways all right that's
15:15
coming into my actors a lot that's good
15:16
man uh Stephen cable Jr here we're
15:18
talking about Transformers ride to the
15:20
beach premieres tonight DB
15:23
um so if you're able to talk about it I
15:24
wanted to see if because I'm a big fan
15:26
of like bad boys Michael Bay Don Murphy
15:28
Jerry brookheimer like those big budget
15:30
huge blockbuster movies but I also you
15:32
know at this point in time where we're
15:34
at million dollar you know hundreds of
15:36
millions of dollars being spent on on a
15:37
budget for a film it's just commonplace
15:39
you know it it just is so if you can uh
15:42
explain how once the budget is is uh
15:45
agreed upon
15:46
what were the things that you were like
15:47
all right this is what I want and I
15:49
definitely want to spend money on it
15:50
this is what I want you know whether it
15:51
was p a or whatever the case special
15:53
effects what were the things that you
15:54
honed in on like all right here's where
15:56
the money has to go yeah um
15:59
once we in this particular film are you
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just talking about yeah a lot of those
16:03
visual effects uh we shot during a
16:05
really interesting time which was covet
16:07
and like we had millions of dollars
16:08
spent on just the protocol so that you
16:10
have to take on set you know so you have
16:12
hundreds of people on Set uh one time we
16:15
had a thousand you know in terms of like
16:17
getting everything together so you spend
16:19
tons of money there so you start to
16:20
realize damn half my budget is already
16:21
which would never happen in normal
16:24
exactly so now you have that sort of
16:25
like burden of trying to create this
16:27
project
16:28
um but for us it was all about visual
16:30
effects so we try to get as much as we
16:31
can on Set uh Transformers really Prides
16:34
itself in like traveling to locations
16:36
actually shooting you know there's no
16:38
shade to other franchises or any other
16:40
companies but there's a lot of green
16:41
screen work and a lot of stuff done in
16:43
the studio where us we're like let's go
16:45
to Peru let's showcase their culture
16:46
let's learn some history and let's
16:48
actually shoot there and that's really
16:50
tough so the money goes into how do we
16:52
get a crew out to Peru how do we hire
16:54
people also in Peru and how do we make
16:57
sure we're moving through that whole
16:58
thing safely so that was big one for us
17:00
on this project Peru itself and then the
17:03
visual effects we knew we were always
17:04
going to hit this sort of like wall with
17:06
visual effects because after covet
17:07
everything has stopped from and like no
17:09
one knew if we were going to make movies
17:10
and Cinemas are going to be closed and
17:12
then it opened back up and then
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Paramount was like we want to make sure
17:15
Transformers is there like in a big way
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but then everyone was putting out their
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movies so visual effects houses you know
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it was like a bottleneck like no one oh
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yeah it was like wait in line but we
17:24
were waiting line and we're like man so
17:26
in all fairness we had a push you know
17:28
I'm saying I was one we wanted to come
17:29
out last year for the fans again we
17:31
apologize but you guys got magic this
17:32
year yeah um but it was like we want to
17:34
do it right and I hats off to Michael
17:36
Bay these big producers who've done it
17:38
before because he was advocating like we
17:40
want to do this right like we got to
17:42
serve the audience we want to make sure
17:43
everything is visually popping and
17:45
people can really feel it and so we were
17:46
like all right we'll take our time with
17:48
that and it also spent more money
17:49
because now you got to leave the cut
17:51
open longer and people are constantly
17:53
working on these shots and massive
17:54
artists we have thousands of artists
17:56
working on this movie you'll see tonight
17:58
we have like a nine minute
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you know like that's going to take up
18:07
majority of the money um and yeah and
18:08
that's what we say that's what we try to
18:10
like Thrive for like how can we make
18:12
production as cheap as possible if we
18:14
can you know without sacrificing the
18:15
vision and then knowing that when we hit
18:18
the the other side of editing that we're
18:20
gonna have some surprises because uh
18:22
we're gonna have to try to hire like
18:23
more vendors and things like that to try
18:25
to reach this deadline if that makes
18:26
sense that makes sense yeah Stephen
18:28
cable Junior man I want to thank you for
18:29
coming by man Transformers rise of the
18:32
Beast you work with a lot of actors man
18:35
and you watched a lot of actors over the
18:36
years what how big or how high is
18:40
Anthony Ramos star going to rise after
18:43
this oh my I got Anthony Ramos
18:45
oh man it's gonna rise he's really
18:48
really good in this film man
18:51
um his versatility as an actor and as a
18:53
talent yes you know
18:55
um the fact that when you watch the
18:57
movie you can laugh he can make you he
18:59
can make you cry uh his physicality like
19:03
it's not too many actors that could roll
19:05
on the floor and still feel like an
19:07
action hero you know what I mean he
19:08
brings a level of vulnerability to the
19:10
project that like is really hard to find
19:13
um he balances it all out really well
19:15
and he still has he has his charm man I
19:17
don't know if you guys met him yet oh
19:18
yeah that's a good friend
19:19
he was on the show too early too he
19:22
could brighten up a room man yeah he has
19:24
a big huge smile and it's just like he
19:26
always carries his energy man like he's
19:28
always happy you know and um so that
19:31
behind the scenes it helps a lot for the
19:33
chemistry on set as a director and
19:35
trying to get out a performance but Star
19:37
level like I I don't know what he can't
19:40
do Duke is saying yeah
19:42
very few that are triple threats out
19:44
there like Jamie Foxx the legend yeah
19:46
icon
19:47
um like that kind of talent is really
19:49
hard to find you know it's like yeah
19:51
he's special man yeah you're special yes
19:54
Stephen cable Jr man uh you know I'm
19:57
from Oakland so we got a little deep
19:59
because the Warriors
20:07
you know but we're good we're good you
20:10
know
20:22
the Warriors beef uh all the time all
20:25
right now you know it's a weird one this
20:27
year we had to both kind of like be
20:28
quiet and sit together because you know
20:29
we got we got taken out pretty early how
20:31
is it being a Cavs fan right now
20:33
horrible what do you mean I'm sorry my
20:36
bad I need to jump in
20:38
uh you know it helps you prepare for
20:40
life
20:41
you know you go through your ups and
20:43
downs uh you got to keep your head up
20:46
and you know it's always next year did
20:48
you feel torn to go with LeBron to I did
20:51
it because I understood well LeBron left
20:53
twice right so yeah he left twice the
20:55
first time he didn't want to be there
20:56
the first time he heard a bit but he
20:59
understood what he was going through I
21:00
think you know his problems with we
21:02
talked about LeBron like I'm on his team
21:04
the office and that stuff like that you
21:07
know he was like you guys got to do
21:08
better
21:09
um but then when he came back you know
21:10
and won the ring and like you know it's
21:12
LeBron you know that guys went in that
21:15
ring he's our goat you know what I'm
21:16
saying yeah so it's like uh in Cleveland
21:18
Ohio that's crazy we only have a
21:20
championship so to have that yes yeah
21:22
yeah now we get another one that's cool
21:23
for a long time
21:25
it's cool
21:28
wow wow Stephen this is such a great
21:31
conversation
21:34
the violence the violence deep gang
21:37
mentality correct me if I'm wrong
21:39
Stephen was it Steven Spielberg and
21:41
George Lucas who used to make bets on
21:43
film Steven Spielberg and George Lucas
21:44
made a bet because one was doing Close
21:46
Encounters of the Third Kind and um
21:48
Stephen was doing Close Encounters and
21:50
George Lucas was doing Star Wars right
21:52
George thought Star Wars was gonna bomb
21:54
because they would visit each other on
21:55
set so they made a bet and they said
21:57
whoever's movie opens uh successfully
22:00
then they have to pay the other person a
22:02
percentage for the rest of their life
22:03
and George was like this movie I'm
22:05
having so many issues and everything
22:07
like that so the point of the story is
22:08
uh Steven has to pay George a percentage
22:11
of the royalties for the rest of his
22:13
life so he didn't even have to make
22:15
another movie he could have lived off of
22:16
that game that's crazy so I'm thinking
22:18
about you and Ryan for that we could
22:20
definitely make some bets I'll be very
22:21
past it though man um but I think
22:23
everything he's gonna do is pretty
22:24
successful man oh absolutely yeah yeah
22:26
it's gonna be yeah I don't know what the
22:27
bet would be I don't have to figure out
22:29
what that would be oh would y'all do
22:31
something together
22:32
uh yeah I mean we kind of did with Creed
22:35
okay that's true that's true yeah like
22:37
when we went into it I thought that was
22:39
super dope because in my eyes I was like
22:40
I always wanted John Singleton and Spike
22:42
Lee and yeah like how can we start to
22:44
like bridge the gap more and like
22:46
actually work with each other you know
22:47
it's like we have a really strong
22:48
Collective I would say you know who's in
22:50
the collective that's what I'm curious
22:51
well it's like I'm calling it Collective
22:54
we ain't name it but like you know the
22:56
fact that we're we're all pretty close
22:57
like me Shaka king
23:00
um this guy named Tommy Oliver who's a
23:01
producer uh Lena ways uh Ryan coogler
23:04
like you know what I mean like all of us
23:06
we stay connected you know we always
23:08
call each other we always hit each other
23:09
up about projects
23:12
that's our family man all those were
23:14
like yeah family and so like for us to
23:16
follow when we work together it's
23:18
something great you know if I had
23:19
opportunity and I did with Ryan with
23:21
Creed too it's like let's work together
23:23
make something great and uh yeah and
23:25
that's what that's what Creed 2 was yeah
23:26
and I think there's gonna be more in the
23:28
future for sure
23:29
um about finding the right project in
23:30
the right timing but I think you know
23:32
we're always like hunting for I'm not
23:34
saying that on some like we're floating
23:35
stuff we hope we connect again like we
23:37
will it's just a matter of time on what
23:39
projects that's what's up man hey man
23:41
I'm proud of you brother thank you man
23:43
I'm glad to have you on the show man
23:45
much love continue success uh
23:47
congratulations to your family as well
23:49
yes Cleveland we up yes you will never
23:52
hear me say that twice I'm happy for
23:55
Cleveland I'm happy for Cleveland
23:57
what's the ray cash that's Cleveland you
24:01
would dig a car back yeah
24:05
we got you know we got talent man we got
24:08
hackers Dr genius
24:11
okay all right Cleveland we up Cleveland
24:14
yeah
24:17
have fun tonight man and let's break
24:20
some box uh box office records thank you
24:23
appreciate it I see that happening yeah
24:25
June 9th right this week all right
24:27
Stephen cable Junior
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