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Jul 24, 2022
Taron Egerton stopped by Sway In The Morning to talk about his new series Black Bird. He also talked about possibly playing Wolverine in X-Men and why he didn’t want to play Cyclops.
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blackbird hd i was watching that episode
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when they proposed to him that you know
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he goes inside as a really pretty much
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as a op
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you know he he he's going in as a snitch
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yeah yeah he's going in as a snitch this
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character is james keane right that's it
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jimmy king jimmy king i got to say you
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know you walk into this studio it's just
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got the best
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energy to walk into everyone it just
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feels like it's such a positive vibing
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it's like you know when you're outside
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in the corridor it's like a party that
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you want to be invited
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thank you you've never really had a
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clique either right you've always been a
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lone wolf
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no not really well you mean like walk
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around with like an entourage yeah
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i mean i've got my publicist down there
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and i've got my best friend who's my
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assistant i like to keep it low-key you
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know you like to keep it low-key as
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lucky as i can last time you came in
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here you walked in with jamie foxx how
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low-key can you get well yeah i mean
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anybody looks low-key when they're still
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with jamie foxx man please welcome her
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back towards give a big round of
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applause tearing edge attendance here
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[Applause]
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thank you thank you thank you
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hey team uh you've done a lot since you
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came in here um with jamie foxx man
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you've you've been really working really
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did i i came in for
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yeah so sin i mean
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the big thing was i i did the john
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uh-huh show uh the musical the rocket
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man you got a war for that one uh
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i got did i get an award yeah i got a
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golden globe yeah yeah there you go baby
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why are you trying to ask me
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why are you right now
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he said lightning
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forget that
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did that thing do you know what it is
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let's talk okay thank you you you grew
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up loving acting yeah right you you i've
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heard you say this just feel like acting
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singing these are different ways of
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expression yeah right you love acting as
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much as you like socializing but when
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you get acknowledged and almost
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validated in some sense yeah by one of
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these big ass awards man come on bro
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that that didn't blow your mind that
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your family reacted at us yeah and i
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mean you know of course i mean i'm not
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trying to downplay it it was a huge
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thing in my life but just i don't know i
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don't want to
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i i guess i just want to try and
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you know
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i'm low-key
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let us talk [ __ ] for you right all right
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this man won a golden globe award
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grammy nominated he's done a whole lot i
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see him in routes again and he got that
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you think he could get an e-guy i do
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that that would that's that
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i should come on this show more
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but how does it feel like after the
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award do you feel like you got to hold
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you got to sustain a certain level of
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performance do you know what that that
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job was that was a special job for me
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because it was two years of my life and
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because i was involved in making the
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music i was in studio before i was in
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studio after and i've always done a
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little bit of singing but not at that
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level
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recording at abbey road with
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you know legends like like there was
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there was a day where we were recording
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in charles martin who produced all the
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music
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his dad was george martin it was the
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fifth beatle you know we're in studio
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we're just recording i walk in there and
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he's with half of chic oh
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you know rogers no i wasn't in there i
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forgot i'm terrible i forget the name
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but his drummer and his bassist
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lovely guys and they go hey do you want
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to jam with us you know
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so all of a sudden i'm singing take me
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to the pilot with half of chic
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like and that's like one day in the two
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years of making that show so it was an
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incredible incredible episode of my life
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but and the golden globe was lovely
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because it was like
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it just felt like i had a little
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physical manifestation of what a great
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chapter in my life that had been
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so it was it was it was amazing but
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there was a come down you know like
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afterwards i was there was a moment i go
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and what the hell am i going to do now
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yeah
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yeah right yeah and then it was only
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when
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you know obviously shortly after that
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the world stopped you know early 2020
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and then it was around a year after that
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no it's about six months after that that
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i got
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blackbird landed it landed in my lap i
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got sent these scripts and i read the
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first episode and i was like
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this is this is it this is my next move
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mm-hmm because
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i read it i saw every episode i've seen
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every episode
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i was telling them i'm mad because they
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do it weekly they don't give you the
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whole yeah that's the best way i like
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that yeah i'm not i'm not here for the
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binging no i'm not into that it makes
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everything feel a bit disposable you
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know like it's nice to give something a
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bit of air around it for you to
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appreciate it yeah think about it okay
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and that's and certainly with the show
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like blackbird because it is i mean
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you've been so sweet about it but it's
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how i felt when i read the script it's
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so compelling it's so engaging
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you need a little bit of time to think
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about what's going on because there's a
5:01
question around whether this guy he's a
5:03
serial confessor larry hall was a serial
5:05
confessor so there's a question around
5:07
whether he actually did these things or
5:09
whether he's just a narcissist who likes
5:11
the attention right so it's nice to have
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a little bit of time after each episode
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to sort of figure out what he said and
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think could think it through but i
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understand it's i think it's testament
5:20
to the show that you want to binge oh
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man i want a binge and just without
5:23
giving a spoiler this character larry
5:25
hall um
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was accused of some heinous crimes
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the worst crimes the worst crimes of
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that you could in my opinion that can be
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committed um and he's been i'm
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investigated a few times and he was able
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to slip through investigations we don't
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know if the dude is guilty or not but at
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this point you know but he the the man
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who plays larry hall uh
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paul walter paul walterhauser amazing
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actor yeah that guy right there he's
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going to get nominated off of this oh
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sure
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surely yeah but my my question to you
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too is we had a chance to have the
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amazing uh incomparable ray liotta on
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our show
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yeah man ray came up here man and we had
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such an incredible time man dude he did
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the mafia laugh
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that was so good
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thank you thank you the mafia lab in the
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whole nine and he and he plays
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big jimmy he plays your father he plays
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my father yeah what was that like going
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opposite ray it was
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it was actually
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uh kind of like a really profound
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experience for me
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i've told this story a little bit but
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it's worth retelling because it it was
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like a
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a real moment for me but when
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when i i was so excited to be on set
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with ray you guys have met him he's had
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you know she's just got this amazing
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energy but i stepped on set
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and he was very in his own world you
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know it was like an intense scene he's
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visiting me in the prison
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and so i was sort of feeling like well
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i'll give him his i'll give him his
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space i won't you know kind of intrude
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stay a little way away from him and he
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just kind of looks up and catches my eye
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and he doesn't say anything but he just
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stands up just walks over to me and he
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just he just gives me this hug and we
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just sort of stand there for like what
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felt like a really long time
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and i was sort of like
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what's going on
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and um
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and i just said quietly to him hey i'm
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really glad we're doing this
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and he just went me too and that's all
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he said to me for the first day and then
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as time went on we kind of got you know
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chatting and opened up to each other but
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i think he
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he's so invested in his craft he was so
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invested in his craft that he did not
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want us to be
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[Music]
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colleagues he wanted us to be father and
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son
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and and that's how we wanted us to
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interact
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wow and we went on this amazing journey
7:53
together and i know you said you've just
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seen three
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and that episode which just came out
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this last friday it's dedicated to the
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memory of racism i saw that at the end
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of the episode yeah he features heavily
8:02
in it yeah but it's
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the the show is so so dark and the
8:07
characters including my own are not that
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likable a lot of the time most of the
8:12
characters in it have got a strong vein
8:13
of misogyny that runs through them but
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the one that the one like
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the show has a heart in the relationship
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with ray because the journey my
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character goes on to try and get out of
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the head that hell hole yeah is because
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he wants to get out to be with his
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father who's unwell
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and obviously in light of ray's recent
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passing it takes on like a really weird
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meta quality as you're watching it
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because you're watching
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you are watching a guy who's near the
8:38
end of his life play a guy who's near
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the end of his life and it's it just has
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this
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profound yeah
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i think that's what i was thinking
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because his his character has a time
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limit yeah he just had yeah he goes
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through a medical difficulty i'm not
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trying to yeah i'm worse with spoilers
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no no it's cool okay yeah so he he yeah
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i think it's fine to say that you know
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he has a stroker
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his health and his future is in question
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because of it yeah let me ask you this
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because these characters are so dark and
9:07
we were kind of talking about paul
9:09
walter playing larry hall and even
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yourself because you guys actually
9:13
filmed this in the prison right we shown
9:15
a real prison in new orleans last summer
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yeah so it was i mean it puts it in
9:19
perspective man like what prisoners have
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to
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live through especially in a southern
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state like that where it's so hot at
9:26
that time of year yeah but i think them
9:28
laws are really crazy you know
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segregated laws in prison and all that
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[ __ ] yeah but i mean it i think it gives
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the show a vibe you know it's like you
9:37
can feel when it's a location rather
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than a set and
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it is in our show springfield the high
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security prison where larry is it needs
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to feel like a hellish
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place and i don't know that you can
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create that on a set it needs that that
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great of a real of a real space here
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look let me ask you this by the way uh
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taren is a executive producer of this by
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the way this guy's an ep now before
10:01
before he came here he was just begging
10:03
for parts
10:06
now he's giving parts that's right
10:08
um i'm gonna let everybody jump in i got
10:11
you know i've watched this so
10:13
you can tell when i'm excited about
10:14
stuff
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[Applause]
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[Laughter]
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i am a part of a organization i'm a
10:29
board member of this organization called
10:31
the last mile and we teach inmates how
10:33
to code right so we have a yeah so in
10:36
the so like so that when they get out
10:37
that they can have a shot at
10:39
regenerating their life and yeah great
10:41
that's amazing absolutely amazing the
10:43
recidivism rate is 0 so anybody who's
10:46
come through our program have never gone
10:47
back to prison incredible yes wow that's
10:50
a stop years
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yes yes
10:53
uh m.c hammer is somebody who brought me
10:55
in a guy named chris redlist a guy named
10:57
jason different different folks but
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anytime i went to the prison bro i'm not
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gonna lie
11:02
my saving grace is knowing that i could
11:04
leave yeah but when you when you're in
11:06
there you're in there yeah well i
11:08
remember the first time because
11:10
because it's a real prison when the
11:12
gates in our show when the cell doors
11:14
shut yeah that's because they've rigged
11:16
the
11:17
there's not like a guy
11:20
they push a button and you are locked in
11:21
there and i remember the first time i
11:23
went in
11:23
and they shot that thing it was like it
11:26
sent chills up my spine you know yeah
11:29
you know as you say there but for the
11:30
grace of god go i i mean yeah you got to
11:32
leave now
11:33
it's hard i remember i used to take a
11:35
day like i didn't want to talk to people
11:37
i wanted to decompress just kind of
11:39
cleanse like
11:40
prison is horrible yeah like it's
11:43
inhumane it's where
11:45
what harv it's like it's like a cow
11:48
shoot you know what i mean and you're
11:49
told what to do and then people are
11:51
going bonkers in there it's not meant
11:53
for us to be locked up
11:55
how did you decompress and how did
11:58
like paul who played larry hall
12:01
how do these roles affect you how did
12:03
you get out of this role of this i mean
12:05
i think you know as you say it is so
12:08
dark and as the episodes wear on
12:11
it becomes a
12:12
like a conversation between two guys
12:15
and the subjects of those conversations
12:17
are the worst things you can imagine you
12:19
know
12:20
and um
12:21
paul and i it took a toll on both of us
12:24
in different ways i mean i can speak
12:25
about paul's spoken about this publicly
12:27
so i don't i feel comfortable saying it
12:29
but he's since got he's since gotten
12:31
sober you know when paul and i got to
12:33
new orleans to shoot the show
12:36
he wasn't sober he was drinking and he
12:38
went through a kind of transformative
12:40
experience playing that character i
12:41
think and it did it did take a toll on
12:43
him but you know what we ended up doing
12:45
was like
12:46
stupid stuff
12:47
like we'd get together on a friday night
12:49
when it all was said and done and we'd
12:51
go hey man should we go in order to take
12:52
out and watch
12:54
babe you know like
12:55
and like something that just felt
12:58
innocent and pure and not like
13:00
yeah you know
13:02
nothing triggered no exactly yeah but
13:04
it's you know it was it was of anything
13:07
i have ever done
13:08
i've never felt
13:10
i've never felt like i need to shower
13:12
afterwards wow like i felt i felt
13:14
unclean from it so then taryn what
13:16
attracts you to that type of like
13:18
shadowy side and what do you think makes
13:20
us all watch it
13:22
that's a really i don't know
13:24
the second part the first part is i
13:25
think i was drawn to it because
13:27
i think i feel like in a business-minded
13:30
way the roles that i've played whether
13:31
it be in kingsman or elton john or eddie
13:33
the eagle or whatever they're all quite
13:35
they're all like really likable and yeah
13:37
and danger of being like quite cute i
13:39
suppose
13:40
this part is not cute like he's
13:42
he's he's edgy and he's gnarly and when
13:44
you first meet him you
13:46
you know you can sort of ask yourself do
13:48
i like this guy you know
13:50
so for me that was an appealing element
13:54
in terms of why we why we're drawn to
13:55
these stories it's a really i think it's
13:58
interesting man you know do we
14:00
do we is the catharsis in it you know do
14:03
we feel we learn something about our
14:05
darker nature and kind of like exorcize
14:07
it
14:08
but
14:09
it's hard it's it's a hard one what do
14:10
you think hmm i think it's a little bit
14:12
of that i think that we're all still
14:14
very voyeuristic either by nature or by
14:17
nurture you know what i mean maybe in
14:18
some ways too it's a bit of a comparison
14:20
game where you don't have to feel bad
14:22
about yourself because there's always
14:23
someone who's worse than you
14:25
quote-unquote
14:27
yeah i think that's a good point
14:29
response
14:30
oh go ahead no no
14:31
i don't want to know like so you
14:33
mentioned about what we're drawing into
14:35
who like british actors fascinate me
14:38
because i can hear them speak in a i
14:40
guess an american voice and i can never
14:43
tell that they're british
14:44
but like british actors hear americans
14:46
try to use a british accent and like
14:49
they suck like americans who are like
14:52
who did you draw into or who did you
14:54
look and say i need like a new york
14:55
accent like who did you study or i need
14:57
to sound like i i listen i didn't like i
15:00
didn't listen to actors i listened to
15:02
sound bites of
15:04
like people who speak in that in that
15:06
dialect oh you know like little sound
15:08
bites of ordinary like
15:10
working people at you know like and like
15:13
especially 90s clips because
15:16
what you find is that like the way
15:17
someone speaks like an authentic new
15:19
york or chicago sound
15:22
it depends on which little area of that
15:25
city you're from what age what age you
15:28
are
15:28
what gender you are actually as well
15:30
what ethnicity you are it can it all
15:32
contributes to the sound
15:34
so for me rather than listen to an actor
15:36
do have a go i thought we'll go straight
15:38
to the source and find clips of and i
15:41
had a great i had like a coach an
15:42
american guy who lives in london
15:45
who because he married a brit and he
15:47
worked with me to to develop that that
15:49
sound wow american boy in london existed
16:06
on this i know you guys like you guys
16:08
often get people to do bars on this show
16:09
and i was like no there's no way i can
16:11
do this
16:24
[Music]
16:32
whatever's around you
16:48
trouble
16:50
like a big part of me wants to do it but
16:52
i also know that i won't sleep tonight
16:54
if i do that let me tell you how to
16:56
sleep you got a face
16:58
your
16:59
feet you gotta face your fears do you
17:00
know what next time i come on maybe i'll
17:02
have something no maybe it's just an
17:04
operative word that means nothing yeah
17:07
commit america make this british accent
17:10
suck i'll be listening to them and i'll
17:12
be like yo what the [ __ ]
17:17
have that bit of god brain wired up
17:21
anyway
17:22
anyway change the subject tag quick
17:24
quick quick anyway my show is airing now
17:27
on apple tv
17:29
all right blackbird blackbird
17:32
uh i was on the internet and people were
17:35
in the frenzy well hold on let me let
17:36
mike muse get this question in i'm sorry
17:38
mike taran got me fired up no you guys
17:41
are having a really great time okay um
17:42
we want you to have a great time
17:48
uh you struck me when you said something
17:49
about you and ray leona had a very
17:51
father-son dynamic when he hugged you
17:53
that was his way almost method acting to
17:54
get into the father-son dynamic it felt
17:56
like we've been hearing that a lot
17:57
lately in terms of actors on films in
17:59
particular this last oscar season where
18:01
characters stayed in to their character
18:03
the entire time off the set throughout
18:05
the entire year of filming about one
18:07
movie in particular how were you and him
18:09
able to stay did you guys stay in that
18:11
father-son dynamic and then how did that
18:13
work because that's more of an
18:15
interesting dynamic as father and son
18:17
equates to emotion and love yeah i'm
18:19
curious
18:20
so i feel like it's not it's not that
18:22
all of a sudden
18:23
we're discussing what the characters had
18:25
for breakfast where you're going hey dad
18:27
what did you you know what i mean so
18:28
it's not it's more that i felt our
18:30
relationship
18:32
took on
18:33
a
18:34
like um a very intense familial quality
18:37
immediately he
18:39
and i just
18:41
were very very open with each other and
18:43
you know i've ray is
18:46
you guys you guys like he's a tough guy
18:48
and so when i met him i thought i wonder
18:51
if he's gonna
18:52
accept me as this sort of you know like
18:55
chicago and drug dealer is he going to
18:57
think i'm the right guy for it but he
18:59
was so
19:00
we just connected in this way where it
19:02
it just felt like we'd known each other
19:04
for a very long time
19:06
and i felt like a love from him
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and when we finished the shoot
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you know
19:12
i saw the show maybe
19:14
february march something like that and i
19:16
texted him and said
19:17
you know your performance in this show
19:19
is beautiful in my opinion and um i hope
19:22
you feel good about it and all he texts
19:24
me back was
19:25
um
19:27
you made it easy to to love my son
19:32
and it was like that's i can't really
19:34
explain the relationship but i feel like
19:37
you get a sense of it from that you know
19:39
if we we felt very connected so when the
19:41
cameras rolled it wasn't like we didn't
19:44
have to generate anything
19:46
it just felt like we had this
19:48
vibe
19:51
for a second anyway rightly older man
19:53
shout out to ray man yeah get real out
19:55
big round of applause man he came out
19:57
here came on this show and charmed this
19:59
[ __ ] about him he laughed the whole time
20:01
every time he's amazing amazing before
20:04
you go uh congratulations on blackbird
20:06
citizens i want to recommend you watch
20:08
this it's on um apple tv plus it's
20:10
called blackbird ah man i'm the only the
20:13
only
20:14
thing that upsets me about this series
20:16
is i gotta wait till next week to see
20:17
the newest
20:18
episode gratification
20:20
embrace it and i hate when it ends
20:23
it's healthy for you it's one of those
20:25
shows you're doing great man you're
20:27
doing really great um my actual question
20:29
has nothing to do with blackbird it has
20:31
to do with what's been going on a frenzy
20:33
on the internet about the possibilities
20:35
of you playing wolverine
20:37
look i mean you know i made the mistake
20:40
of saying that i had had a general
20:42
meeting at marvel around four years ago
20:44
which is which is true but it got kind
20:46
of spun and twisted into this thing so
20:49
i'm i'm now at a point where because
20:51
look i've always said if if i mean i i
20:54
don't know if i'm the right guy to play
20:55
that part you know i was with hugh
20:57
yesterday briefly
20:59
who played the role obviously played the
21:01
role originally and like
21:03
we're such a d with such different vibes
21:05
i don't know if i would be the right
21:07
person to follow him but i've always
21:09
said i'd be open to it
21:11
but there's at the moment there's no
21:13
truth other than the fan casting thing
21:14
which does get goes kind of crazy every
21:17
time i mention it but
21:19
you know who knows
21:20
you got to have the right kind of
21:21
wolverine body to play that role though
21:23
yeah man it's a lot it's a lot of work
21:25
yeah it is a lot of work i mean i did
21:27
some work for blackbird yeah yeah that's
21:29
all you were kind of cut up i saw you
21:32
i hate this
21:34
that's a hate terry
21:37
it all going so well
21:51
that's my way of bullying you man um no
21:53
you looked amazing in blackbird
21:55
i remember looking like that in my life
22:00
did you almost get cyclops though is
22:02
that true that i yeah i don't mind
22:04
saying that was a that was a real thing
22:05
there was a real conversation and um
22:09
to be honest i've never said this
22:10
actually to be honest the reason that
22:12
conversation never went any further
22:14
is because i
22:16
i don't i didn't want to
22:18
i didn't want to play a character for a
22:20
potential of a series of movies okay
22:22
where you don't see my eyes
22:23
for me that that's i i didn't i felt
22:26
instinctively creatively
22:28
that that like the eyes of the windows
22:30
to the soul
22:32
i don't know how i would find that
22:33
challenging and i just didn't find it an
22:35
intriguing prospect so it's not that
22:36
they ever offered it to me but there was
22:38
a conversation
22:40
a real conversation that never went any
22:42
further wow i respect it
22:45
i respect no integrity be true to
22:47
thyself your authenticity yeah you know
22:50
your realness i respect it
22:53
i will watch anything you are a part of
22:56
because of that and if it does well or
22:58
not it doesn't matter to me thank you
22:59
okay it's all about the performance
23:01
right and i can see you're that type of
23:03
actor as well
23:05
um upset as well like
23:07
like a minute
23:09
you got a couple things
23:11
uh man but taran anderson thank you for
23:13
coming back brother man yo man
23:15
absolutely man great conversation thank
23:18
you so much he said he's gonna bless the
23:19
mic when he come back
23:22
[Applause]
23:32
[Music]
23:33
all right on apple tv plus blackbird is
23:36
available now watch it and you can see
23:38
this executive producer in the star of
23:40
it let's go uh taran agitan all right
23:42
hey man appreciate you brother likewise
23:44
thank you so much have a beautiful day
23:45
all right we've got some liberty up next
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