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Born and raised in Staten Island, New York, Shyheim Franklin, better known as Shyheim, gained fame as a teenage rapper with his debut album AKA the Rugged Child at the tender age of 14. He rose to prominence as one of hip hop's brightest stars, being referred to as a "prodigy". Today, Shyheim is best known for his collaborations with the legendary Wu-Tang Clan, especially with Method Man and Ghostface Killah. He stopped by Sway In The Morning to talk about his journey from his early rise to fame to his recent Rugged Road to Recovery movement.
Shyheim's initial success was meteoric. Critics and fans alike were impressed by his raw talent and witty lyrics, and he quickly landed a record deal at the age of 13. His debut album, AKA the Rugged Child, was released in 1994 and was an instant hit. The album featured collaborations with members of the Wu-Tang Clan, and cemented Shyheim's status as a rising star. His follow-up albums, however, did not perform as well, and his career took a downturn.
Despite the setbacks, Shyheim continued to work hard and collaborate with other artists. He remained true to his Wu-Tang roots and forged strong relationships with the Clan's core members. In recent years, he has become an advocate for hip hop culture, using his platform to promote the genre's history and importance. He is a frequent commentator on hip hop news and culture, and has even started his own YouTube series called 50 Years of Hip Hop, which explores the genre's evolution from its early days to the present.
One of Shyheim's newest initiatives is the Rugged Road to Recovery movement, which aims to help those struggling with addiction and mental health issues. Shyheim has been open about his own struggle with addiction, and created this movement as a way to raise awareness and support others in similar situations. His YouTube series, "The Rugged Reality", is an extension of this movement, and features interviews with people who have overcome addiction and mental health issues. Shyheim's commitment to this cause is a testament to his character and his desire to give back to the community.
Despite his struggles and setbacks, Shyheim has remained a beloved figure in hip hop culture. His collaborations with the Wu-Tang Clan have become iconic, and his influence on the genre is undeniable. He has proven himself to be a talented rapper, a dedicated artist, and a compassionate soul. As he continues to grow his platform and push for positive change, we can only imagine what the future holds for Shyheim the Rugged Child.
In conclusion, Shyheim's journey as a rapper has been a long and winding road. He experienced early success, struggled with setbacks, and is now using his platform to help others. Through it all, he has remained true to his roots and committed to hip hop culture. Shyheim is a testament to the power of perseverance, and his contributions to the genre will not be forgotten. Whether he is collaborating with Wu-Tang Clan members or advocating for mental health, he continues to be a voice for change and progress. We can't wait to see what he does next!
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yeah
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wow wow wow man
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wow man let's clap that up for a second
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man Jesus
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Muhammad
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Yahweh all of us
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yo give us a second for this right here
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man
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wow
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wow that that clip you just heard
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citizens we talk about hip hop 50
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celebrating 50 years of hip-hop that
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clip you just heard happened 29 years
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ago
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29 years ago this young man came to the
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Bay Area he was promoting his debut
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album aka the rugged child and he had
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this um
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Mystique about him he had already had
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this buzz on his name and to have a buzz
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on your name in 1994 was extremely
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difficult to do but when you had it it
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really meant that you had a lot of
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credibility and foundation for people to
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talk about you
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all the way in the west coast when
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you're from a small place called Staten
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Island in 1994 that was like being a
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Hollywood
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movie star when it came to hip-hop and
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then to be somebody who was so young he
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was 14 years of age when he spit those
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bars and you listened to the intricate
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detail in a skill set the way he played
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in that pocket the way he chose his
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words and where he expressed himself and
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whatever was going on in that youthful
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mind at that time to to just really
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project it out that way in a room
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full of icons people who became icons at
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that point Rizza jizza sway Tech the
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world famous wake up show the Wake Up
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Show at that time was just like the peak
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of the mountain you couldn't just get on
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that show and boy man we were brutal on
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that show people get it easy on Sway in
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the Morning compared to too easy let's
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be clear you're too easy what it was
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like what it was like back then people
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got it easy but this young man was um in
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the same way LL Cool J was a pop team a
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pop Idol at a teenage LL was really our
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first you know then you have people like
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special lead you know who who was also
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able to do the same
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um just to name a few but this young man
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probably was the youngest to do it as
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big as he did it at that time in hip-hop
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which really opened up a lot of doors
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for other young folks to emulate what he
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was doing watching him accomplish us
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these things what I was always
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fascinated by is how mature you were
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when all of this was going on Fame and
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celebrity and being with record
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companies and we didn't understand the
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language and the contracts and people
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right now try itinerary Telling You
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Gonna Fly to this place and you're going
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to the Bay Area you're a young man you
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don't know nobody in the Bay Area you
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know they're taking control of your life
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and then they making money off what we
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know now as IP your intellectual
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property and they paying you fragments
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on the dollar you 14 years old and the
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most exciting thing probably for you is
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to be in front of a mic in a room like
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the world famous wake up show showing
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off your bars in a whole totally
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different world and winning at it you
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get people like Jay-Z who writes that he
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admired you
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you get people like Prodigy that calls
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you a Wonder kid you get people like
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Rizza who attaches who's risen there's
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not another person in this culture
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that's more intelligent than risen in my
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opinion who took you under his arm and
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because we had a relationship with Rizza
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but also King tax sway you know DJ
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Revolution man we took no shorts when it
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came to the culture and to us we felt
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like this man is going to help us Define
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what this show is all about at even a
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young age so young artists can't have an
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excuse for not being dope you know and
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so you had a whole movement at a young
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age rather you realize it or not you
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inspired a whole lot of other young
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artists that came after you because I
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saw it working the radio at that time I
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saw people who almost emulated The Way
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You Walk you know what I mean the way
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you held yourself under that Spotlight
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and so I didn't get a chance to say this
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to you man but I love you number one
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that we share in that moment when I
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played that back and I listened to it
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last night I sent it to these dudes and
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said man we got to play this it took me
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back to a place
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man well we were just pure and complete
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um you know what I mean and happy about
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what we were doing in this culture and
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every week someone like you would come
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by or Resort or
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a coochie rap or somebody we really
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admire Kane KRS one you know people just
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kept coming to that show and um in that
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show we we really created heaven for
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folks who really came into this hip-hop
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culture and we utilized this as a tool
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some people do it to get money I get
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that we all want to get paid for our
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passion but man we did it to give life
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you know what I mean the way Society was
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we we escaped through the culture and
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created our own world created our own
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bro look at the life you lived as a
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teenager right you did as a teenager
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well most people are trying to still do
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as adults
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so I want to say yo Mark
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in this culture is cemented right you a
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pillar in this and I want to say I
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appreciate you all the things you went
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through in your life uh to get to this
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point is a microcosm of what most of us
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have to deal with one way or the other
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you know whether it's directly or with
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or with people in our family and to see
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you here in 2023 talking about your life
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with a rugged road to recovery I'm gonna
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say man I commend you and like Jay-Z
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said I admire you and keep going man we
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got Shaheen here man the rugged child
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we share that bro oh man you're part of
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my history I'm a part of yours I I was
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just trying to hold back the tears
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because you know in in in in life and in
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struggle that's all we wanted to hear
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yeah you know that's all I ever wanted
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was just to be rep Staten Island the
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little project Stapleton where I was
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from in the world and to be heard man
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and and to be on your show was was one
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of the highlights of my life as well you
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know I mean to see
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a real radio station you know what I'm
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saying because you you didn't get those
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opportunities you know you didn't get to
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go to a show and take a picture with
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your favorite rapper yeah like and the
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the artist wasn't that like you said it
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wasn't that easy it wasn't that nice it
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didn't matter if you had money if you
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wasn't
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to that standard you couldn't even come
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you couldn't even get your way through
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man so I you know I thank you you know
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I'm saying for everything you and
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everybody else in the industry that was
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Big Brothers to me yeah you know I mean
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and
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when you dealing with uh reality
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versus
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um
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uh what's the word I'm looking for
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um
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was not reality the opposite of fantasy
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fantasies and things like that so as a
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kid my brain wasn't fully developed
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that's like taking someone 13 years old
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and throwing them in prison right now
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for a crime that they did and making
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them do 40 years right when you're
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making these decisions
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you're you're not
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in that space really you know I mean so
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um through it all I made the right
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decisions that I thought I was making at
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that time you know what I'm saying and
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growing up you know it's fortunate
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artists that that come into this
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business with a plan
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are fortunate because they're coming in
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with a goal they're coming in with a
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whole strategic like I didn't have that
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it was winging it you know what I'm
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saying it was winging it around you know
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um I remember a time being so young that
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I literally thought that everybody that
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I met in the industry whether it was PR
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whether it was radio whether it was at
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the record companies at a show I really
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thought that they were family right I
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didn't wasn't able to separate the
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reality into reality really struck and
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the conditions of my environment
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I fell victim to those things you know
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so I just said after after the rain I
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just said yo I have to use my voice I
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have to use my experience to save the
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next rugged child that's out there right
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now and and right now it's it's bad out
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there yeah I mean so yeah let's talk
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about that though it is bad out there
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I'm curious though man I never even
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thought about this even though he was
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only 14.
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but you where were your parents like
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that who was the authorities in your
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life
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the authorities in my life was pretty
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much people outside the projects
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managers and things like that my mother
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struggled with um
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a substance abuse addiction all the way
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to she passed away of an overdose uh at
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48 years old
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um and my pops served a lot of time in
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prison probably
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80 percent of my life so you know with a
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mother on drugs and a father in prison
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yeah it was the music industry that
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raised me it was the people outside that
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raised me so
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um you know part of it to help me
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forgive myself I don't want to pass the
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blame on yeah thing but a lot of things
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happen on adults watch just like now a
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lot of this stuff is happening on our
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watch and it's up to us to fix it it's
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okay to watch it to be like okay yeah
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little Shah he means well and then pass
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them to blunt but but after a while that
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same drug affected me differently than
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it affect grown men you know what I'm
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saying as far as music parties alcohol
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women you know today some of the women
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probably be locked up if they went back
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in the cases and being like Oh you was
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you was doing this with the third with
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the 14 year old yeah yeah yeah that's a
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fact but at that time you didn't have
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social media you didn't have cameras you
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didn't even have that many people
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stepping up for things like that because
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those things was okay in our community
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yeah it's not okay anymore at least not
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on my watch you know what I'm saying
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it's not okay what what
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um Shaheem is here get that man a big
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round of applause right
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thank you when you say when we look at
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it today what are some of the things
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that you're looking at today that really
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kind of
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became the Catalyst to even talk about
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uh create rugged road to recovery this
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movement that we have what kind of
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things when you say we look at how bad
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it is today be specific what do you see
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that's bad okay so the the origin of the
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rugged Road of recovery started when I
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was in prison I had just left Clinton
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Correctional Facility that's a Max a
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prison and they was doing this new thing
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within the system where they try to take
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older people and mix them with
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adolescents so they sent me to this
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facility called Washington Correctional
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Facility and that is a adolescent
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facility one of the worst adolescence
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facilities you can be in right with all
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the bad kids right so when I got there
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my my job was to pretty much
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um I was igrc that's inmate grievance
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committee and so if you was an inmate
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and you had an issue you would write a
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letter to the committee I would get the
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letter then I would do the investigation
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talk to you try to you know from the
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administration and the population and
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you know solve it without having to have
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hearings but to make a long story short
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that's when I started to see the
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condition that our young Brothers was in
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and they were 16 and he was 17 years old
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and we in places that you know
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um
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people trying to Blind Eye yeah people
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you know out here people are getting
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murdered on trains and people are
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getting murdered on camera with knees on
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them but Behind the Walls that is
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happening too you know what I'm saying
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without without that um so people being
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murdered Behind the Walls and nobody has
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to take responsibility for it because
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you know like I used to always tell the
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young Brothers I was like yo you got to
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realize where you at just the same way
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if they're coming and I'm like oh you
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know oh oh oh here come police get rid
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of what you got the same way their
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colleagues is going to hold them down
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regardless of what so let's know where
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we're at and let's know you know what I
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mean and that's where it birthed it
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that's where it was birth and then it
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clicked and I was like yo all this time
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I thought my purpose was to rhyme I
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thought my purpose was movies I thought
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that was it but after I experienced what
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I experienced the loss you know and all
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of that I have just as much as
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experience and I was like this is my
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purpose it feels different it feels
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great so part of it when I came home it
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was grass root it was a neighborhood
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thing and then I was just like one day I
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was sitting there and I was like well I
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didn't get it here yeah how am I gonna
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be sitting in I don't know
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sitting in [ __ ] and smell it you're
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still gonna smell it yeah so it wasn't
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until I got away and was able to look
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back on my conditions to where it
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started to seem crazy you know what I'm
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saying so I said you know what I have to
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take these young Brothers out of the
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area right and teach them Wellness you
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know some of them some of them you they
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want to do good but they don't know how
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they don't know not only don't they know
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how they don't have people to assist
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them in doing so like you say you come
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home from prison
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and everybody welcomes you home and like
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welcome home welcome home but after
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three weeks you become the [ __ ] on the
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couch yeah you become the [ __ ] that
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drank the last juice and now they like
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go get a job and you're like okay and
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you're out there getting a job but you
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got this big ass suit on as soon as you
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walk in he looking at you knowing this
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is not who you are so I said you know
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all these things that I've learned
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through my life I want to Mentor them
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not only Mentor them walk them through
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it you know what I'm saying and so
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that's when I started the rugged Road
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the recovery Retreats I'll get a group
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of young Brothers take them out get them
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get their nails done get them groomed up
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chase them out and get some shoes get
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them fitted for the first time you'll be
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surprised half of them never experienced
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anything like that or a spa or anything
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that teaches you about yourself to feel
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good because we all go through it we're
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going to slump of depression and your
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head start growing go get a fresh new
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cut and a new tea and kicks you feel
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like a million bucks so and then let
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them take that long drive back home you
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know what I'm saying to think and then
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when they come back in the community
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they will start looking outside of the
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community to go get it because it's out
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there I love it and that's that's the
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work that's the work that's the work
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part and then you know you have the
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entertainment part with the cameras and
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things like that that would turn that
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would turn into a reality show and
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things like that but it's immersive it's
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everywhere it's on the road so um I'm
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actually
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planning to bring some of them to um
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Denmark okay as a trip you know what I'm
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saying so these kids could see that see
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the world too you know I mean and where
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the kids from or typically well 16 to 24
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okay age right for wherever you know
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what I'm saying but you know I do have
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criterias to have someone either
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incarcerated right now family member
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incarcerated or you yourself are between
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the ages of 16 and 24 that pre-released
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being incarcerated you know I mean and I
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partnered with the youth Justice Network
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okay Switching gears their mobile
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um resource
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um van that if you're on Fordham Road if
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you're downtown Brooklyn you might have
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seen it already out there
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um with staff that's equipped with the
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resources and computers to actually uh
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Point people in the right direction from
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jobs and also to walk them through it if
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they need assistance of going to get an
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ID go with them to show them how to get
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ID and really be Hands-On
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um we're bringing it now to stat down
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that I partnered with them with the
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rugged world of recovery get that man a
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round of applause man and if people want
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to
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donate or
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want to join how do they join well to be
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a rugged road to recovery specialist
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yeah all you need is experience okay I'm
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saying that's it um you can reach out to
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me on IG or by email
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um and yeah we can set it up you know
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what I'm saying or if you would like the
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bus to come to your neighborhood if you
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feel like you know
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um maybe Fordham Road maybe it's not for
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you see that's the thing what we tried
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to do with the with the bus is that a
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lot of times you can be from a
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neighborhood and won't even go 30
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minutes away even though they have these
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uh workshops where you could get your
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GED and stuff like that so we said you
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know what we got to bring it to the to
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the to the block we got to bring it when
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they walk out the building and they're
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not really going nowhere to get a
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bluntville or something they see this
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block and get a fly to say yo we're
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hiring here or yo we can help you get a
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job here help you get your ID to get on
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the right track yeah now once they on
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the right track with the youth Justice
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Network and and
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um and and bus then you can come to the
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rugged Road of recovery because the
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rugged Road of recovery is about people
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that's already doing it you have to be
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in motion okay you know what I'm saying
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we're not trying to convince people I'm
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not trying to say yo do the right thing
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I'm just saying that it's funny right
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not to switch subjects but after all the
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prison time that I did when I came home
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I was so excited to see Rizza right and
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I was like I had one question the whole
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time I was sitting in myself I was like
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yo I want to ask one I don't care about
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nothing else no Studio nothing no tours
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no none of that I got one question
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and because I was I was young I've seen
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it all with them their growth and
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everything from nothing to everything
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and I was like yo how did you not crash
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yeah how did you have all that power and
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you steered that machine and you didn't
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crash see I crashed it yeah you know
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what I'm saying there was too much power
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for me at the time and when he told me
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was I was already thinking it but I
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wasn't sure and he was like it's
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measurements and it comes back to math
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I've been studying math my whole life
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right and it's like yo if you use the
18:47
proper ingredients with the proper
18:49
measurements of a thing you would have
18:51
those results regardless of what you
18:54
want to be a businessman what's the
18:55
ingredients to be a businessman how much
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of this you got to do to be a
18:59
businessman how much do you do that and
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if you do that the right way you will be
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a successful businessman like making a
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pot of rice yeah you know that's what he
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said two two two two cups of water and
19:09
one cup of rice and a little butter and
19:11
let it boil you and let it simmer you
19:13
got a successful but anywhere in between
19:16
that you have some slop too if you mix
19:19
up the the measurements with the
19:21
ingredients wow man shy him and see I'm
19:24
loving this man y'all can reach him too
19:25
at Shaheen underscore rugged yeah
19:27
Shaheen underscore rugged you can meet
19:30
uh hit me at uh the rugged rotorrecovery
19:33
at gmail
19:34
uh Facebook Instagram rugged rotor
19:37
recovery uh Shaheen bu at gmail okay man
19:41
well I got you here Heather I know
19:43
you're looking at them like damn this
19:44
Shaheen yeah
19:50
no no it always been like literally like
19:53
a little brother and not just because of
19:55
his age I was sharing with Sway and
19:56
Tracy and the citizens this morning that
19:58
I remember the first time I met you um
20:01
it was with Prodigy rest in power in
20:04
Philadelphia and I was like wow um
20:07
because Prodigy seemed young you know to
20:10
me as well and I was like wow wow I'm
20:13
glad to see him with artists you know
20:16
and people possibly his age yeah well
20:21
mission that he's hanging out
20:24
um outside of that and then you know
20:26
obviously thank you for being so
20:27
transparent and sharing everything that
20:30
you shared but I'm listening to you and
20:31
I'm wondering with all of that you walk
20:34
in here today as a strong willed a man
20:36
with a purpose now and also don't in a
20:39
wedding band and I'm like somehow
20:41
someway you've been blessed to find a
20:44
life partner now as well to share can
20:46
you talk a little bit about that and how
20:48
important that was to you as well
20:50
because I'm just really big on
20:52
partnership and I think that's part of
20:54
it sometimes that people don't talk
20:56
about because that has to help in that
20:58
road to recovery as well yeah well
21:01
part of it right I wasn't looking that's
21:03
the thing right sometimes when you're
21:04
not looking you're fine you find what
21:06
you need and um
21:08
in my life although it may seem I was
21:11
I was never committed to [ __ ]
21:14
um I wasn't committed I wasn't even
21:16
committed to myself
21:17
you know what I'm saying and I said yo
21:19
you know what I want to be committed I
21:22
want to commit something to myself so
21:24
this time on this rugged Road recovery
21:25
I'm gonna commit myself to someone I'm
21:28
gonna commit myself to my craft and to
21:30
everything that I'm involved with 100
21:32
beautiful you know I mean and that
21:34
that's what it really was that really
21:36
was you know the the part of it you know
21:39
and then my daughters you know she's in
21:40
college now you know what I'm saying
21:42
from a previous relationship and I was
21:44
like yo I gotta show her I'm just out of
21:46
prison she was a baby when I went away
21:48
like what's her thought to me you know
21:50
what I'm saying I have to show her
21:51
through my action like okay my dad got
21:53
out he's staying out of trouble he's not
21:55
back in history I've been home on three
21:57
years now I ain't never had a three-year
21:59
run just not getting interested
22:09
man come on freedom or without being in
22:12
the system right or some on some type of
22:14
form of it uh probation or something
22:16
like
22:22
well actually I have to 2028 is my max
22:27
out damn but they implemented a new law
22:30
in New York state it's a 30 for 30 less
22:32
is more act so shout out to everybody
22:34
that went out and um fought for that so
22:37
whereas you get good time for your
22:39
parole so every 30 days you do in the
22:41
street good they credit the back end you
22:44
know what I'm saying so I could be off
22:45
well I will be off you know what I mean
22:47
but in in the next year too maybe okay
22:51
and also if you people out there that
22:54
have um any family members that's 55 or
22:57
above there's a um reach out to the uh
23:00
rap Network you can Google them and
23:03
they're trying to get a bill passed for
23:05
for people who've been incarcerated once
23:08
they reached the age of 55 that they
23:10
have a fair shot at the parole board
23:12
without using a crime against them that
23:14
they committed whether they was 16 or
23:16
something because what happens is you
23:18
get a person that committed a crime at
23:20
17 years old and spent all them years
23:22
and be 60 years old and going from the
23:24
parole board and they changed clearly in
23:27
those years but they're used to instant
23:29
offense against them of why they did and
23:31
that's wrong because we all change we're
23:33
not nobody's the same person they was 20
23:36
years ago five years ago two years
23:38
sometimes yesterday you know what I'm
23:40
saying because we're always in an
23:42
evolutionary process how did you and
23:44
Prodigy get close how did y'all meet and
23:47
get close
23:48
um yeah again rest in peace to pee um
23:53
you know I was always the type of kid
23:55
how I got the name rugged child anybody
23:57
that I seen I would say what's up to
23:59
them I was trying to be cool I was
24:01
trying to figure it out and it all
24:03
started of a beat machine he had an
24:06
airsoft 16 beat machine and he was just
24:09
talking about I was like yo you know
24:11
what's crazy I just had got one and he
24:13
was like well and he was like yo I'ma
24:15
come to help you set it up and he came
24:16
all the way to stat down ounce of my
24:18
house helped me set it up taught me how
24:19
to Loop and all of that and after that
24:21
you know what I'm saying we just kept in
24:23
contact you know what I'm saying you
24:25
know I mean it's definitely shout out to
24:26
Pete they take all the good ones you
24:29
know what I'm saying Big L got a recipes
24:30
Big L oh you ran with all these dudes
24:33
yeah man rest in peace yo he used to
24:36
come to the town HB and Prodigy Chinese
24:40
used to come to Oakland you know
24:43
the rich was fresh off uh 415 and this
24:47
was rich was rich was huge in the town
24:49
right and you and we used to be I
24:51
thought it was so cool
24:53
and I'm sure rich took you all around
24:55
East Oakland in the whole nine yeah you
24:57
saw you did the whole tour you remember
24:59
it yo I remember because it was a
25:02
different culture coming from New York
25:04
City yeah and you know and when I got
25:06
there
25:07
um
25:08
I forgot the initial I think it was Jack
25:10
the rapper maybe one of them things no
25:13
no it was Gavin Gavin
25:16
Gathering report yeah and he was there
25:19
too and it was just like you know me yo
25:22
what's up yo yo
25:24
let's roll and that was it I was in The
25:27
Joint you know what I'm saying uh and
25:29
and I must say he treated me as an adult
25:32
right yeah you know what I'm saying
25:33
smoking and everything I mean people
25:35
treat a lot of people treating me as an
25:37
adult so I I must say but that's that's
25:40
the thing right if
25:43
if I didn't have the the the luxury of
25:48
not having never having a curfew I've
25:50
never had a curfew in my life besides
25:51
being on parole right
25:53
um because my mother she ran the streets
25:55
my past was in prison so I was outside I
25:57
was a young dude under the building when
25:58
they shooting dice and so if I didn't
26:01
have that freedom I may not have the
26:03
ability to voice my voice as a
26:06
representation so you have to really be
26:08
careful what you ask for sometimes like
26:10
man I wanted both parents in the house I
26:12
wanted to go to college I wanted that
26:15
life right when you don't have it you
26:17
think but then I'm like nah [ __ ]
26:24
it sucked to go year round you know what
26:26
I'm saying at that age like we could
26:29
pull you couldn't pull a young man away
26:31
from me rap was still relatively new you
26:34
couldn't pull a grown man away from that
26:36
the chance you gonna be in a rap video
26:38
that was like being in a movie 100 I
26:41
wish I wish the bigger Brothers in the
26:43
industry today I would be like the big
26:46
brothers I had yeah you know what I'm
26:48
saying to Chuck these the Flavor Flav
26:50
the everyone right Richie Rich all the
26:53
big Bros Big L you know where's
26:55
everybody right today
26:57
um
26:58
you know now you go to you go to event
27:00
it's like yo it it it breaks it breaks
27:04
my heart because I watched it all right
27:05
you know what I'm saying when it was I
27:07
watched it before there was couches in
27:09
the clubs there wasn't even no couches
27:10
there was no bottles none of that it was
27:13
like you better hope you don't get
27:14
pushed because everybody was just
27:16
pushing around and jumping and the arena
27:19
in them clubs like that Palladium you
27:22
could you know it was hip-hop
27:24
um yeah I just wish I wish a lot of the
27:27
um older brothers really meant to some
27:31
of the younger brothers man and give
27:33
them that advice because we learned like
27:36
the information sometimes too late so
27:38
it's like yo we go through it so we can
27:41
pass it on let's give them this
27:42
information let's stop holding it
27:44
because you know nowadays people will
27:46
hold a blessing from you just because
27:48
they don't benefit from it yeah it's not
27:50
like back then back then it was like oh
27:52
you need to get in touch with your his
27:53
way number yeah it wasn't like yo I'm
27:57
charging to bring you up and serious you
27:58
want to get in serious pay me and I'll
28:01
introduce you to yeah to the janitor
28:04
it's a business within a death
28:10
a lot of dudes different now
28:14
what I notice is a lot of
28:16
those folks we hope to be mentors
28:19
are still trying to be
28:21
who the people that should be mentoring
28:24
are today yeah it's the competition it's
28:26
a competition so they're competing with
28:28
the younger ones and feel like if they
28:30
if I give them this game I'm gonna ask
28:33
myself out the game or they're gonna
28:36
take something I have I'm not gonna be
28:38
able to get
28:39
that's the mentality I see a lot of us
28:42
you could you could be childish a long
28:44
time growing up in hip-hop you could be
28:46
immature you can act Adolescent and hide
28:48
in this [ __ ] for years yeah because we
28:51
forgive we we reward bad behavior yeah
28:53
ain't that a trip we reward bad behavior
28:56
so it's a lot of older folks who ain't
28:59
trying to give up the Baton and feel
29:00
like if they pass the game down then
29:03
they're officially old yeah do you
29:05
believe yeah well it's definitely
29:06
selfish
29:08
um
29:13
I do believe at a certain age you
29:16
supposed to
29:17
you know what I'm saying put it down
29:18
like you know what I'm saying you're
29:20
supposed to you're supposed to be doing
29:22
what you're doing at that age to
29:24
resonate with the people that you
29:26
resonate with like sometimes like I'm in
29:28
sneakers and stuff but majority of the
29:29
time I'm never even like that I I wear
29:31
shoes I wear my slacks because I can't
29:34
afford for a officer to see me right
29:38
wearing this same hoodie yeah and
29:40
another dude wore the same hoodie and
29:42
committed a crime yeah now I have to
29:44
prove I didn't do it with a bad jacket I
29:47
know ain't nobody looking like me doing
29:50
none of nothing wrong right because
29:51
first of all you're gonna mess your
29:53
shoes up you ain't running nowhere
29:56
yeah just like yo we ain't wild in our
29:59
fresh clothes but so I think that's part
30:01
of it too is is is is is your um your
30:05
appearance you know what I'm saying your
30:06
shoes always make sure you got on clean
30:08
shoes it don't even have to be you know
30:10
what I'm saying the best of anything you
30:12
know what I'm saying but just be
30:13
presentable be presentable right and and
30:15
the approach of being a b you'll be you
30:17
feel the love and don't roll so deep I
30:19
know somebody from Wu-Tang would say
30:21
don't roll so deep it's crazy right but
30:23
I've noticed that you miss a lot of
30:25
opportunities being with a whole bunch
30:28
of energy because someone who's supposed
30:31
to know you and they have an energy to
30:32
connect with yours might not catch it in
30:35
a group of other energies so I've
30:37
learned that sometimes me being dolo and
30:39
I run into people the Embrace is
30:42
different yeah you know what I'm saying
30:43
it's different right it's a different
30:44
conversation it's a different thing so
30:47
people say yo come to this party I ain't
30:49
never met nobody in a party or got a
30:51
check signed in a party the people who
30:53
make the decisions ain't there so it's
30:55
like why am I there
30:57
their own
31:00
store I wanna but you meet them people
31:02
right at restaurants having brunch or
31:04
having golf courses yeah so you just
31:06
have to change the thing if you want if
31:08
you want a result get the final
31:10
ingredients and use the problem and be
31:13
successful yes
31:17
[Music]
31:19
before you do it this is gonna be up
31:22
here next Friday oh yes peace
31:25
yes I am going to come back and surprise
31:27
them oh man
31:30
hey
31:46
listen to it right now okay
31:48
okay
31:49
excited to next week we did a contest
31:51
where uh Master killer inspector deck I
31:55
want to say I did you know what I did
31:58
watch that right and um shout out to
32:00
Aguilar because he won that right well
32:02
he he's one of the 12 finalists he
32:04
didn't win okay okay well they're all
32:06
gonna rhyme in front of Rizzo the only
32:09
thing the only thing I must say because
32:11
right first and foremost right love the
32:14
idea but I honestly just felt like it
32:18
should have been for Staten Island oh it
32:21
should have just like because
32:24
like there's a lot of talent there
32:26
screaming to be heard and it's like how
32:29
can we have an opportunity and not just
32:31
take it from nobody but give to the
32:33
others before we give to ourselves
32:36
that's not saying nothing like yo shout
32:38
out to everybody that right but you know
32:41
I just you I'm still on my stat now
32:45
I'm gonna give you the beauty unit watch
32:47
this watch this uh Heather got to go to
32:49
Urban view Heather
33:02
so here's the beauty in what we do now
33:05
um because back back then we didn't have
33:07
the power we just had to we had the
33:09
position yeah but we didn't have the
33:11
power now we got the power so that
33:13
concept and idea came from King Tech my
33:16
partner you know Tech yeah it's a music
33:18
supervised on the Wu-Tang Clan Saga
33:21
series season one through three right
33:23
okay and they knew season three was
33:26
ending and they wanted to do something
33:27
just to bring excitement to it and so
33:29
Tech said hey man why don't you do a
33:32
track and then we'll let people who are
33:33
fans of the woo be able to audition to
33:36
be on that track and whoever is it
33:38
selects now could have a track but in
33:40
the meantime all those fans get a chance
33:42
to be on this track with all those folks
33:45
so what you're saying is actually dope
33:47
yeah you come up next week we could do
33:50
another yeah could create a contest
33:53
specifically for Staten Island oh man
33:55
you see what I'm saying like we could
33:57
sit down and build with Reza on it yeah
33:59
and see what it would be and we could
34:01
figure something out because I'm all for
34:03
that man yeah yeah um and I don't say
34:05
that because like I just want to like
34:08
just be like oh all to ourselves or well
34:10
you know sat down and feel like that Wu
34:12
thing is always right but I I just feel
34:15
like that big brothers have to lose that
34:19
role right absolutely but it's on us too
34:21
right because everybody still had the
34:22
opportunity to get that beat and also
34:25
lady verse so y'all out there from the
34:28
town y'all gotta jump on them things and
34:30
get opportunities too because you know
34:33
you could have been picked anyway too
34:35
because you from Staten Island too that
34:37
could have helped if you would have just
34:38
put yourself in it so put yourself in
34:40
the race there you go man Shaheem here
34:42
man we uh get big round of applause
34:44
we're talking about rugged road to
34:45
recovery
34:46
um this is a program to just help people
34:48
in need you know uh if you're facing
34:51
adversity you've been through the system
34:53
um you know someone and who's in the
34:55
system a family member you can reach out
34:57
to him directly Shaheen yeah uh
34:59
underscore rugged or where else can they
35:01
go to uh Facebook Shaheen man shout
35:04
Franklin on Facebook uh my email is ISO
35:08
360info at gmail ISO ISO ISO 360 info
35:13
Gmail or my website
35:16
iso360.org okay
35:18
crazy
35:20
listen Chad so much to commend you for
35:23
since silly like first off for at a very
35:26
young age recognizing your creative
35:29
gifts and really investing in them
35:31
secondly for being able to transcend
35:35
these cyclical obstacles that tend to
35:38
torment our community and thirdly for
35:42
really choosing commitment commitment
35:45
not only to your family but commitment
35:47
to this community and commitment to the
35:49
globe overall like those are that's a
35:52
tremendous feat
35:54
um for a lot of folks who may have been
35:57
in your past position currently are in
35:59
your past position but still feel this
36:01
anger like life is happening to them not
36:05
for them you know and you're just asking
36:07
why continuously why me God why was I in
36:11
this environment why was it at this time
36:12
I was in this place and this happened
36:14
why does this have to be my friends
36:17
etc etc and that why forms a wall
36:20
between them and the other side what
36:23
would you say
36:26
um first first I would say that
36:29
keep it on the eye
36:31
you have to keep it on your eye right
36:33
because our signature is on it
36:36
regardless of the way you know what I'm
36:37
saying regardless of something like um
36:40
let's say for instance you make a
36:42
decision right decisions consequent
36:45
choices and consequences choices and
36:47
consequences you go to the projects and
36:50
you don't live in the projects right or
36:52
even if you live in the projects right
36:54
but you under the building now you know
36:55
under the building or around the park
36:57
this is where they gang bang this is
36:58
where they sell drugs at right and you
37:00
don't but if you put yourself there and
37:02
the things that happen in that
37:04
environment happen to you you're at
37:06
fault just as much as the person who did
37:09
it to you right so I I think
37:11
accountability is is the main thing is
37:13
is the sub countability for what happens
37:15
in your life and guess what you walk
37:18
away with a lesson what not to do so it
37:21
can happen one time but if it happens
37:22
second time now now you kind of all
37:25
right you're starting to enjoy it maybe
37:26
a little bit or you haven't been through
37:28
enough of it because the first time I
37:30
went through it you couldn't tell me you
37:32
couldn't tell me the second time but
37:34
when life flashes behind you and then
37:36
you start to become responsible for life
37:39
you know what I mean and and and and
37:41
taking life and and all these things you
37:45
forget you so you have to go back like
37:48
this is just me protecting a rugged
37:49
child yeah you know what I'm saying for
37:51
you know what I'm saying I'm just
37:52
protecting my my childhood person and
37:55
I'm going back and I revisit those
37:57
things that happened to me and I tell
37:59
myself it was okay it's all right [ __ ]
38:02
happens you know what I'm saying it's so
38:03
right it's not what happens it's how you
38:05
recover from it and how you bounce back
38:07
that's all people at the end of the day
38:09
going that's that's gonna be your legacy
38:11
you know what I mean I was just talking
38:13
to Flav me and flave hungry man salute
38:16
to that brother man one of the first
38:18
people I seen on a rugged road to
38:20
recovery you know what I'm saying and
38:22
and we have a crazy story we both was in
38:24
the Manhattan tombs getting sentenced on
38:27
the same day
38:29
um you gotta explain the Manhattan to
38:31
him rest of the world don't know what
38:32
that means well Manhattan tombs is a
38:35
Detention Center once you get arrested
38:36
whatever whatever and before you go to
38:38
trial it's like city jail or County okay
38:40
and we both was uh serving time but
38:43
waiting to be sentenced to see what time
38:45
we was going to get and I never forget
38:48
it we was in that cell together and it
38:51
was just a universal language when I
38:53
first seen them because nobody else
38:55
there was like us yeah nobody else in
38:58
there
38:59
toward the world so when we seen each
39:02
other it was just like we just hugged
39:04
with our eyes before we got close enough
39:05
to embrace and he left that condition
39:08
and soared and never looked back and
39:11
that was inspiration man that was Flavor
39:14
it's been sober the whole nine got his
39:16
own podcast yes what year was that no
39:19
the first time was 2002 yeah 2002 that
39:23
was the first time then my second time
39:25
was
39:26
2014. that was that's the time of that's
39:29
that's what changed my life yeah what
39:31
was the sentence they gave you um well I
39:33
had two sentences I had one sentence for
39:35
uh possession of firearm and controlled
39:38
substance I was sent in seven years plus
39:40
five years post then my other sentence I
39:43
was sentenced to four years eight months
39:46
to 14 years for manslaughter in the
39:48
second degree and um they ran a
39:50
concurrence so I walked away with a
39:52
sentence of seven to fourteen years when
39:54
you hear that sentence announced
39:58
like I never been sentenced I never
40:00
spent the night in jail I pride myself
40:01
on that [ __ ] up yeah you know what I
40:04
mean like yeah I pride myself and I
40:06
always wondered what that's the strength
40:08
that's strength that takes strength yeah
40:10
a lot of people a lot of people even for
40:12
myself like yo you did use up no if you
40:14
was but the strong person like in Bronx
40:17
they said the week the The Working Man
40:18
is not the sucker what it takes to be
40:21
able to watch people getting fast money
40:23
watch people booking things getting high
40:25
to wake up in the morning and go work to
40:28
stay out of it that takes strength as
40:30
well yeah so thank you and I and I
40:33
congratulate you that you ain't never
40:34
had to go through through the system
40:36
that they set up for us in the first
40:38
place like that's for us that's for
40:40
people that look like us you know what
40:41
I'm saying and it's a big business you
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know what I'm saying because you know
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it's a huge business yeah they take us
40:46
from our community and place Us in these
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rural communities but these rural
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communities get the sensor for the body
40:53
and that's where they put the funds at
40:55
to take care of that that that that that
40:57
that that that area and not only that
40:59
when you're incarcerated the money that
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your family sends you is put in a bank
41:04
which grows interest yes you know what
41:07
I'm saying at which they give you the
41:08
little little bit of it so they make
41:09
money off your account they make money
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off your account that's the money that's
41:12
in there they make money off your labor
41:15
you know what I'm saying it's big
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business I just thought about the
41:19
Investments I didn't realize that with
41:20
the banks yeah who holds your money yeah
41:23
when say say you have a hundred dollars
41:25
I have a hundred dollars you have a
41:26
hundred dollars it's three thousand
41:27
inmates everybody got two hundred
41:29
dollars in the account that money is in
41:31
the local bank gaining interest how much
41:33
is the inmates
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zero zero zero it's like a stream but
41:37
you're there for 15 years plus it's
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extreme they get a stream that's
41:41
basically what they did see I don't like
41:43
to get myself right but this is one of
41:45
those right what they did with the music
41:48
right remember they will see these
41:50
twenty dollars then it went down to ten
41:51
and then they came out with a system to
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give you less than nothing take away the
41:56
physical and it's nothing and they give
41:59
you zero zero zero point something on a
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stream yeah now they're doing it with
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our finance they're trying to take our
42:05
physical away and give us a digital
42:09
thing that nobody touches that they
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control
42:12
so so then we're going back to the
42:14
barter system so people like us better
42:17
figure out a skill well yo I'll do this
42:19
for you you do this for me because
42:20
that's how we're gonna have to eat and
42:22
survive and stand next to each other
42:23
especially yeah I pull it up yeah you
42:25
can take anything I I heard rappers with
42:27
voices I'm like oh man this they took my
42:30
job yeah you're right for real though
42:31
but that's why you got to have a service
42:33
right and not not to cut your bill right
42:35
I tell people right
42:38
oh I'm actually my man mega the video
42:40
guard he had he had gave me this Jewels
42:43
it's it's it's control it's controller
42:46
opposition on both sides of the game
42:49
that's how you always know the outcome
42:51
so you have to have a service and then
42:54
you have to have a product to represent
42:55
that service
42:57
in everything you do you got to have a
42:59
service and a product to represent that
43:01
service we got to have more conversation
43:03
next week yes next week yesterday next
43:07
week come back up and be not just a
43:09
guest but you know your family brother
43:11
thank you um
43:13
we got a lot more to talk about too I
43:16
wanted to make sure we started with this
43:17
conversation and then we can have more
43:19
we're connected now all right we tried
43:21
it a few times yeah uh since you've been
43:24
free
43:24
um uh and this was the time it was
43:27
supposed to happen man yep you know yeah
43:29
and it's due time at a due time I love
43:31
the man you've become thank you man
43:33
you're beautiful bro thank you keep
43:35
talking that keep talking that energy
43:37
all right this platform is yours thank
43:39
you appreciate it I got a couple hundred
43:41
dollars I could donate too okay
43:49
the goal is to get the facility out
43:51
right you know what I mean and um yeah
43:54
and bring them from everywhere man I
43:56
would like to take kids from
43:58
Chicago bring them to New York and show
44:01
them the life you're doing the camp and
44:02
everything right Retreat yeah because
44:04
she's like now I just do them and and um
44:07
unconventional spaces like uh the last
44:09
one was at a farm okay just how we
44:11
should fall I love that and you know say
44:13
so we we focus on mental we have
44:15
different pods like mental health pod or
44:18
substance abuse part a financial part
44:20
um just different uh holistic eating
44:22
lifestyle and to learn what we eating
44:25
and why we should eat it you know what
44:27
I'm saying so I Outsource professionals
44:29
to come in then counselors to come in
44:32
and we start off with you know I
44:34
introduce myself hey what's up I'm
44:36
Cheyenne I'm your rugged roller recovery
44:38
coach how you doing sir what's your name
44:40
my name is Swiggity what's up Swiggity
44:43
um do you have any plans for today
44:45
um man I just want to see what this is
44:47
all about you know see what I can learn
44:48
from it okay well if you need any help
44:52
doing that let me know I mean okay good
44:54
man where the food at
44:56
so I got caught up in my home
45:00
we always keep a word of the day until
45:02
current events and that's just the
45:04
Icebreaker and then we get into self
45:06
some people leave crying you know I mean
45:09
because
45:10
to deal with yourself and look in that
45:12
mirror to say I remember looking and
45:16
saying yo Shaheen what the [ __ ] did you
45:18
do to us I'm in the cell it's nothing I
45:22
got
45:23
four draft bags of everything I own
45:25
everything that I was risking you know
45:28
when when I was out in the streets you
45:30
know
45:31
dibbling and dabbing and substance abuse
45:33
selling it using it to get funds to keep
45:37
my rap career or to keep my image up so
45:40
everybody can think that I'm still where
45:42
I'm at right so I'm looking good I got
45:44
the car I'm doing all this but I'm
45:45
risking my freedom and and that's what I
45:48
did and the funny thing was after I
45:50
risked all that the music right the
45:53
videos the clothes I had the money when
45:56
I got out none of that I didn't have
45:59
none of it couldn't find a heart I said
46:01
that was just a whole yeah so yeah don't
46:04
don't don't forget your freedom don't
46:06
risk your life for
46:09
the music industry and the acting
46:11
industry none of it you know what I'm
46:13
saying always be who you are and let
46:15
what you do be what you do I love it man
46:17
give it up for Shaheen man I love this
46:20
brother man hey this is a reunion for US
46:22
citizens come on oh shout out to Shane
46:25
Clan and congratulations on the tour and
46:27
everything they got going on killing it
46:28
bro the Hulu series yeah we're gonna get
46:32
you on that tour next week all right
46:34
what books are what are you reading
46:36
right now oh man I'm reading make your
46:39
bed make your best to back or make a
46:41
book called make your bed it's by Army
46:43
surgeon and basically tell you the first
46:45
thing you do in the morning before you
46:46
go do anything make it bad first make
46:48
your bed yeah it didn't go handle
46:50
anything else love it man uh Shaheen
46:52
thanks for coming by man make sure y'all
46:54
reach out to him underscore rugged or
46:56
ISO 360.org all right make sure y'all
47:00
follow up we're gonna keep talking about
47:01
this
47:02
um rugged road to recovery I'm gonna
47:04
become a supporter all right we all want
47:07
to thank
47:08
um Tracy G how
47:17
yeah everything is at it's really DB the
47:19
mix will be posted on Mixcloud it's
47:21
really DB uh tomorrow we got Killer Mike
47:23
and we're going to be running back the
47:24
audio from uh Jennifer Lawrence who's
47:26
starring in the new film no hard
47:28
feelings uh we're gonna be playing that
47:29
tomorrow the movie comes out next Friday
47:30
that's right torch
47:32
hit me up from this torch ing t-o-n
47:37
ego our young rugged child right there
47:39
yeah you look like a you look like I'm
47:43
not saying yo where you from
47:45
go ahead how can I reach you man on the
47:48
ground the number five ala and I okay
47:51
I'm at real sway across the board man
47:53
this amazing conversation will be on
47:55
Swayze Universe you heard it live today
47:57
on on the station if you go to swage
47:59
Universal YouTube channel you're gonna
48:01
see us speaking with yo-yo Janelle Monae
48:04
Ryan coogler is up oh nice Caroline um
48:08
Wenger who's the CEO of essence in the
48:12
Essence Music Festival she says some
48:13
incredible things that's up Devon
48:15
Franklin is up uh we have Samuel L
48:18
Jackson by this week that's up Dominique
48:20
Fishback from Transformers that's up uh
48:23
Stephen cable Jr for the director of
48:25
Transformers that's a beyond cold that's
48:28
up Dante Ross that's up wrote his book
48:31
yeah we sat and talked about that as
48:34
well uh trademark from Brooklyn is up my
48:37
man um let me see who else up uh Lenny
48:39
Cook you know who Lenny Cook is no Lenny
48:43
Cook came into the draft the same year
48:44
that Carmelo and um
48:47
LeBron did but he was ranked higher than
48:49
them and uh he ran into you know his
48:52
rugged road to recovery and and um he he
48:55
lost it all but now he uh is telling his
48:59
story similar to man y'all should know
49:01
each other
49:03
yeah that'd be that'll be cool he was so
49:06
ill basketball's so ill you know you
49:09
look him up you know
49:12
yeah but we got that conversation up too
49:15
citizens so make sure you go on uh
49:16
slaves Universe YouTube channel have a
49:18
good time with it we'll be back tomorrow
49:20
y'all stay on the right side of
49:21
positivity Shaheem I love you brother
49:23
love you too and we have nothing
49:26
Man play one of his songs left to say
49:30
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