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RZA & DJ Scratch Talk 'Saturday Afternoon Kung Fu Theater' Album & Slaughterhouse Dirty Laundry
Mar 14, 2022
Rza and DJ Scratch just dropped a new album, Saturday Afternoon Kung Fu Theater and sat down with Sway and The Team to talk about the project, religion and compares the Slaughterhouse issues with things Wu-Tang Clan faced.
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RZA & DJ Scratch Talk 'Saturday Afternoon Kung Fu Theater' Album & Slaughterhouse Dirty Laundry
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we got them right here pillars and
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hip-hop
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legends
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architects
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scientists
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come on man we got them right here
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grammy nominated scratch vision is up in
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here the one and only the legendary the
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iconic dj scratch give him a round of
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applause
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we got the abbott up in here
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resurrector
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come on bobby digital himself give it up
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for bobby diggs the rhythm
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[Applause]
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yo first and foremost
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i miss y'all man good to see you
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yeah good
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yo good to see y'all man
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absolutely man that might be
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i i'ma go ahead and say it on record and
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hb you can back me up baby tracy g
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saturday afternoon country kung fu
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theater that song is the hardest song
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and rap to me right now
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wow big round of applause that's the
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hardest song and rap to me and i'ma get
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straight to
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my first question um because i went
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through this
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um over and over last night and i just i
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was going through the lyrics rizzo and
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it just raised so many
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questions to me uh how i think about the
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history of the world
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and and
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what you know i have these theories
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about messaging about how history has
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been changed
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over the centuries especially if you go
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back to the 15th and 16th century that
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it was important for uh europeans or
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colonists to kind of change and bend
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history to justify this atrocity that we
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call slavery that was to take place
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right and so you had to separate human
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beings and
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white superiority is all based on i'm
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more superior than you which we know
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factually is incorrect but it was made
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to justify uh some of the activities so
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when i when i hear
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when i hear lyrics like uh they breed
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mythology social consciousness not being
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taught in sociology but sexuality is
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being taught in today's biology your
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psychic power is being dumbed down by
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psychology
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you know i wanted to get your thoughts
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on modern day psych westernized
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psychology uh what are your thoughts on
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it
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i mean like i said it you know they're
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dumbing us they're thumbing us down you
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know
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if we keep uh
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feeding
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force images false ideas
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and and making us think that what ain't
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real israel
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and making us doubt ourselves because it
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builds doubt within the the entire
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population but especially uh in the
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black community it builds this doubt
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that we are not as great as we are you
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know what i mean and and you dumb down
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you you you forget your own intuition
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you know
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you know you know you got that intuition
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with
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intuition when something is going to
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happen something's happening
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connecting to your brother or your or
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your loved one you got that in you right
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but it's getting dumbed down because
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it's like you'll be taught that you
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don't even have that sense this sense of
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awareness
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it's not just a sense of smell taste but
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it's a sense of awareness that we have
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right you think about um
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in our community let's just look at why
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do we have uh
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an attraction to greatness it's because
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we come from greatness
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and but we've been smothered away from
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greatness as you talking about this
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history of us being
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uh
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you know kind of manufactured once they
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once they separated you know the world
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into all these different uh borders and
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you know not you know brought us over
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here to this part of the world and
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isolated us on different islands as well
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you know i mean we look at our own
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jamaican brothers our trinidadian
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brothers our brothers from bahamas
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tobagos we look at them
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like they not us sometimes you know i
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mean haitian brothers
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and yet there's a unit there's a
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unifying thing that we have
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and psychically we know this is why bob
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marley's song
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you hear it it works everywhere hip hop
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works everywhere because there's a
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psychic connection but those powers are
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being dumbed down
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what what role
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do you feel
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uh religion has played
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and perpetuating
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that what you're saying right now this
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whole uh idea of
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you know us you know things being dumbed
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down because people have
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argued fought and killed in the name of
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religion under this same tutelage what
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are your thoughts about religion
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yes religion is a strange word because
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it comes from the greek the legion
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basically means to rely on something
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other than yourself
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and yet when you go back and read the
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words of jesus
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father muhammad buddha
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they're always telling you to gain
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self-knowledge
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you know what i mean
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and so religion
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is kind of explained to us in a way that
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make us rely on something that's outside
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of our bodies outside of our worlds you
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know you could get into a big argument
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with somebody over jesus
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you know i mean it could be a big
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argument over him and at the end of the
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day yeah he's a man
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that
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uh
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that was not awkward
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you know what i mean he didn't you know
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one of the greatest lessons i'll just
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say something about jesus one of the
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greatest lessons i call from the bible
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about his personality
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right is
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as he was
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walking he came across the the lady that
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wasn't from his tribe
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and uh she asked him for a blessing he
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was like yo i'm not here to bless you
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i'm here to bless my people
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and i mean she told him that even
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the dog is allowed to eat the crumbs
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that falls on the master's table
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and he was like
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you know i mean he blessed her because
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at the end of the day it's for the world
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but he was able to accept wisdom from
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outside sometimes it's that simple thing
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so point being made when i'm saying that
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is that
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we um or the world has separated us
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through religion you know i mean uh even
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with being christian yourself you got
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denominations
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you know presbyterian
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baptist lutheran all these different
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denominations and it's been
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done you know consciously i think to
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separate the people to divide them
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propagate them um and for us
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for the black community it hurt the most
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because
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we had got to a point
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um there were generations of us that was
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like
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we sat home and prayed
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right
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for
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somebody to bring us food clothing and
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shelter
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when
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the same being we are praying to has
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already blessed us with the ability to
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get the food clothed in the shelter
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you know what i mean it's like
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even the ants birds and bees as it says
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in the holy quran he says even the birds
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are allowed to eat every day you think
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i'm going to deny man like the greatest
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creation no
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man has all the abilities but we've been
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once again stripped of those abilities
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because we was taught to sit at home and
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wait
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you know
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not to go here one more time but when
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the brothers when he started mailing
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those those uh checks out those uh
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similar stimulus checks yeah yeah
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nobody's gonna go back to work after
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that yeah they're like yeah what work no
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i'm gonna wait for it to come in the
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mail
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you know our name versus
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versus our counter code our counter part
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of our coaching our counselor but let's
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this say somehow application brothers or
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even educated brothers they actually
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took money and invested
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into
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uh stocks and companies whereas
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they
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went out
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and planted those seeds in those
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companies and corporations and now they
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got money coming in the mail forever
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because the money that this government
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is sending ain't going to come from and
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that's just a quick that's a band-aid
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um so yeah religion has been something
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that's been a big equation in our in our
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society
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it's been a big uh though a big problem
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because of the lack of understanding
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of what it really is and it means to
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rely on something
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and every prophet
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and every great teacher has always told
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us to seek knowledge of ourselves
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rizza is here man uh dj scratch is here
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saturday afternoon concours theater
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what a great project hb you want to jump
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on this i do hello to both of you guys
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thank you so much for joining us today
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we appreciate you and you know this
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platform has always been one where we
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just celebrate our culture and give back
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flowers
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i haven't had opportunity to see you or
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congratulate you i am such a fan of the
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american saga i'm like i just can't
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believe like i felt like i knew the
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story but then watching it i'm just like
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i feel like i'm constantly learning more
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and just talk a little bit about
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manifestation if you will or what you
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thought are you i know you wanted it to
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be successful obviously but are you even
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surprised at how we are receiving this
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the people receiving uh what you guys
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put together
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i'm thankful to be honest you know
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i was talking to my woo brothers and
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and uh
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we took a look at exactly what the show
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was doing in many ways it was
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in most shows we're seeing now a lot of
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great entertainment out there but it's
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but the black on black and the shoot you
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in the head killer the entirety you know
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has been permeating us right
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and it was like yo we have to have a
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show where
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others are putting their differences
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aside
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and coming together together former
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unity
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and you don't see that a lot you know
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what i mean
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no you don't see that a lot not so i'm
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proud of that and then also within that
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you're seeing
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brothers picking up books
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you know
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you seeing brothers um
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learning mathematics you know i mean a
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lot of the world at one point thought
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mathematics was i don't know something
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that was anti
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you know something that wasn't going to
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be healthy and useful but it is healthy
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and useful because a pattern of thinking
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right it's just like a pattern of
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abcdefgs it helps you form words
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mathematics help you form thoughts and a
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pattern of thinking of how to deal with
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actions and those actions help
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become who we are but i'm very proud and
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very thankful
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that the audience received it um and
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it's beautiful that you know it's an
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american soccer so when i say american
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you know i'm talking black brown white
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yellow and red native i mean we all are
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living this experience that
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no no other country in the world is
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living our experience keep that
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clear in your head you know what i mean
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i've we've been around the world you
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can't even get the same tissue
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you know man
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start breaking on your fingers
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we got a very unique experience here
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that we could appreciate but i think i'm
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gonna say this last thing
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that sometimes us as black men and women
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we don't we feel separated from america
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but i'm going to tell you something yo
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we should feel the most american
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because in all reality
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before this was called the united states
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of america we were here
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yeah you were here
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happening right here uh africans landed
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on this continent way before christopher
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columbus is well documented i got books
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if you want to read some of the and then
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listen these folks admitted it in their
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own notes you can find notes of some of
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those early colonies that talk about the
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people that they were met with by and
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greeted uh before they even arrived here
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um
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very important question scratch we're
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gonna come to you brother
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i see all those plaques they're blind to
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me right now on your wall
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we'll get you in a second
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what made you put swaying tech in the
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wu-tang clan of america you know what
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you noticed oh my gosh i felt like i set
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him up to y'all i'm sorry
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i'm sorry
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that that wasn't an alley
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this way at all damn it we made you
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immortalize us man take a music
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supervisor rich nice to talk about it
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shut up talk about it
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that was a freaking alley-oop man
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well it's fun though right you
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appreciate that y'all it's fun
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no
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we know it was way in tech in the world
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famous wake up show
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i don't know we never forget first time
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we went down um to the bay area san
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francisco oakland who was staying there
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um you know tech was very prominent you
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yourself as well you know just
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you know check actually gave me the
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advice like you got to stay here man you
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got to like live in the live in the
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in the um you know and everything you
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can't just pop in yeah and pop out you
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know i think somebody's gonna be wanting
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to check them you gotta kind of get get
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into it and feel it he was like you know
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what
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you gonna take that advice you ever see
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the movie the mac
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which is also uh based in your your
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hotel right
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baby
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you know but he said in the mac i never
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forget the line when the guy sat there
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and told him all this stuff said we
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gotta
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get strong we gotta start bringing
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things together to to to import make
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more money and help our community and
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build up what we're aiming at and he was
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like yeah man i'm gonna take that
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philosophy for myself you know what i
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mean
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is that when he told me all that i was
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like you know what i'm gonna use that
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i'm gonna take that philosophy and
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utilize it and it it really helped whoa
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um and it wake up showing and he was on
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kmel back then yeah yeah yeah you guys
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you know you guys playing our record it
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triggered that west coast move it it
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validated it and so yeah the course i'm
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gonna throw you up in the joint like
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that you know what i'm gonna do you
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behave man you know i'll be more like
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come here tracy
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say hi to scratch go ahead what up
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scratch what up
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listen i wanna use one of um
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reza's bars off of um
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this project for the title track for
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this project saturday afternoon um kung
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fu
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and use it as a question for the both of
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you guys or is it because you have a
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line where you say i bought a mansion
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but i still sleep in my mother's room
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and i found that interesting because of
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the amount of success you guys have and
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a lot of times when your lifestyle
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elevates it's hard to you know enjoy
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your past fruit you know what i'm saying
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you kind of like elevate beyond it you
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know what i mean and so i'm curious how
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you guys have been able to maintain a
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sense of like humility what are some of
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the things that you still love from your
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past even though you're in a completely
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different tax bracket now
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let's start with well for me
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well for me um
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that's a perfect line too because
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you know i live in a mansion but i sleep
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in my mother's room i live in a mansion
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but that's my studio still right in the
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hood where i grew up sway's been here
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before
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yeah
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i'm right in the hood right where i grew
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up
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you weren't it's super in the cut though
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you would not know what's here the super
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in the cup but i'm i'm right i'm still
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right in my hood and that keeps me
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grounded like i still see
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you know everybody that i grew up with
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the the next generations on and on the
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kids the grandkids
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you know now they're young adults so
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that that keeps me grounded
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so that's that's basically it for me
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okay
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and i could echo
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i mean i could echo i mean like i
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definitely
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i've been i've been blessed to be able
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to be you know kind of like sway yo we
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could be up with the leaders of the
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world
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you know what i mean
15:45
then we could be in our hip-hop family
15:48
our big hollywood celebrities
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and yet
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be at the
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simplest small
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spot in the hood on on a corner or
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something like that you know i mean and
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and be able to be there i think this
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humility is important at one point you
16:04
know you first get a hip-hop you follow
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this jury and
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you know you want to show hey look at me
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and then comes the point you realize
16:12
like yo wait a minute look at me
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don't look at my job you don't look at
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all that it's me i'm the i'm the i'm the
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i'm the diamond here and um so i think
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it's very important and and then i would
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say you know
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you know you think about you know a lot
16:25
of my father said this to me uh you know
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we were just estranged for years and
16:30
then
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in our my 40s we
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so we can do this love and it's a
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blessing and it's um
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that's after my mom's past but
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he was like
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rappers don't got no fathers
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you know what i mean even they got one
16:46
because the fathers were so absent in so
16:48
many of our lives
16:50
um and so our greatest joy was somehow
16:54
taking care of our mothers you know what
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i mean um
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and for young people out there now this
16:58
generation i don't know if they're
16:59
feeling the same it's
17:01
that the importance of mother and father
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but importance of your of your parents
17:06
you know there's very few commandments
17:07
one is honor that mother and father and
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so for when i was you know at my prime
17:14
you know i never had no gold plaques on
17:16
my walls so none of that it was all in
17:18
my mother's house
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you know i mean and i would you know we
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have the mansion but that was like
17:23
now my mother got all the accolades and
17:26
and when i met my you know sleep in her
17:27
room it's like i would go there and just
17:29
lay by her feet because i know the
17:31
struggle that she went through i'm from
17:33
11 children so you know so i know the
17:35
struggle wow
17:37
six six boys
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yeah and for us eight so we know we know
17:42
that the struggle
17:43
was crazy and and for us to be able to
17:45
give us some relief on that struggle you
17:48
know i mean it was a blessing but i'll
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just say that to anybody out there you
17:51
know all these young brothers out there
17:53
getting the new money brothers and
17:55
africans getting money now honor that
17:57
mother and father and and make sure you
17:59
take care of them first even before you
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take care of yourself
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you know what i mean in all reality
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um
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you got it thank you dj scratch is here
18:09
rizzo is here it's a lot of people on
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the phone lines
18:13
this project is really really um
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classic to me it's vintage but at the
18:18
same time it's futuristic you know and i
18:20
think that's a testament to
18:22
uh who you are as artists you know and
18:26
but it does have a bobby digital sound
18:29
to me scratch and i know you you worked
18:31
on a lot of production and i know y'all
18:33
worked together before right but what
18:35
was it like working on this i remember
18:37
when the announcement was made during
18:38
versus when red and meth was on stage
18:41
that this project was coming that was
18:43
way back then right this is that same
18:44
project right yes um yeah okay so this
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time around what what was it like like
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you know it's
18:51
the goals and the aims must are they
18:53
different now are you aiming for the
18:55
same are you hoping the same people hear
18:57
it or are you trying to reach a a a
19:00
different generation
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well man like back you know 30 years ago
19:05
when we made music when we made albums
19:07
with epmd we never targeted an audience
19:10
while we were making music we just made
19:11
music you know what i'm saying whoever
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liked it liked it whoever didn't didn't
19:15
but the people who didn't like it
19:16
they'll eventually like it so it's the
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same approach with me anytime i make
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music unless
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you know somebody gives me like unless
19:24
i'm working with like a younger artist
19:26
and i know
19:27
what they want and what you know what
19:29
their fan base is so just as a producer
19:33
and understanding the artist that you're
19:35
producing for you just got to make the
19:37
music that their fan base get and just
19:39
me being a dj
19:41
i have the advantage to understand that
19:43
so for example like
19:45
this is this is rizzo this is the head
19:47
of wu-tang this is the abbott
19:49
i'm not going to give him
19:51
some some uh dance club [ __ ] you know
19:53
what i'm saying like i know the fan base
19:55
i am one of the biggest wu-tang fans so
19:58
i understand the assignment so i just
20:00
wanted to make
20:01
make that that that wu tang
20:04
that wu tang sound of those sonics i
20:06
wanted to bring back the kung fu
20:08
the kung fu skits the kung fu dialogue
20:10
in between songs and some in into songs
20:12
because i know that's what the fan base
20:14
is because i'm a wu-tang fan so that's
20:17
the approach as a
20:18
producer as a dj do you do you feel like
20:21
how do you feel like playlist
20:23
um impacted the art of djing do you
20:26
think it was beneficial or do you think
20:28
it
20:29
took something away from it and heard it
20:31
playlists like on radio on the dsps
20:35
digital you know the streaming platforms
20:37
and
20:38
it became at one point you had to get
20:39
your song to the hottest mixtape dj or
20:42
the hardest club dj or the hottest mix
20:45
show dj now it's i need to get my song
20:48
to that
20:49
big playlist that somebody's going to
20:51
say
20:53
it's a pro and it's a pro and a con like
20:56
uh
20:57
dsps never had never had a situation
20:59
where
21:00
they had dj's like mix mix djs is
21:03
actually mixing on them on the dsps
21:06
the cons what what the pros for for the
21:09
listeners is that you can make your own
21:11
playlists as a as just as a customer you
21:14
can make your own playlist because you
21:16
might not like how how the dj serving
21:18
you music you know you listen to djs now
21:21
like for example if they have djs on the
21:24
dsps a lot of djs don't let the song
21:26
play for 10 seconds you want to hear the
21:28
song you're paying your subscription
21:31
you don't want you djs will cut the
21:33
[ __ ] verse off on scenario before
21:36
buster
21:37
you don't do that
21:42
there's djs that will cut
21:44
there's djs that will cut off the engine
21:46
engine number nine on on the choice is
21:49
yours so
21:50
for custom like custom like people hate
21:53
that [ __ ] it's like no like
21:55
you're djing for yourself dj for us so
21:58
so as as customers those playlists are
22:01
good
22:01
because you can hear the whole song you
22:03
can hear the way you want nobody's
22:05
screaming over it
22:07
there's not a bunch of drops over it so
22:08
you just want to enjoy the music on the
22:10
other hand there are people that that
22:13
want djs to they don't want to be the dj
22:16
they want the dj to serve them the music
22:18
but serve it the right way
22:20
you know so there's pros and cons with
22:22
the dsps with the playlist
22:25
fizzle you want to jump on it yeah so
22:27
rizza scratch said that he understood
22:29
the assignment um be with the charge of
22:32
working with someone like you and
22:33
someone on your level so then i ask you
22:36
was your approach different than going
22:38
into the studio this time not as a
22:41
producer but as
22:43
the lyricist that you are and the artist
22:45
that you are is it different now was it
22:47
every time you needed a whole bunch of
22:48
people in the studio with you versus now
22:50
you're more laid back you know what your
22:53
assignment is you go in y'all two just
22:54
in there by yourself knocking it out
22:56
what was the approach for you then this
22:58
time
22:59
yeah for me it was it was less stressful
23:01
because i didn't have to worry
23:03
um you know it's like he was the pilot i
23:06
was a co-pilot so i didn't have to
23:08
really worry about grabbing that handle
23:10
you know i mean because i had a good
23:11
pilot so i could just go ahead and
23:14
write the lyrics try them you know ten
23:16
different times so i get the flow or
23:18
what we you know we want make sure you
23:19
know it's more in the pocket say what i
23:21
want to say
23:23
and then the the beautiful joy of it is
23:25
that after we got it like
23:27
into a structure and it's in it and it's
23:30
you know basically
23:31
my part is done i can actually hand it
23:34
to scratch and not worry
23:46
and you know why did somebody you know
23:48
sometimes you know you get the move
23:49
friction that happens man
23:51
i'm the first one in the studio and the
23:53
last one to leave
23:55
you know what i mean that's what the
23:56
producer is
23:57
sometimes like i'm on the left said he
23:59
was 200 correct he's like yo he didn't
24:02
hear into the 36 chambers until
24:05
i finished it
24:06
everybody was coming it's like it's like
24:08
when you do a movie you go and do your
24:09
scene
24:10
you don't know what the movie's going to
24:12
be until you go to the theaters you know
24:14
what i mean
24:15
um and that's the job of a producer so
24:17
so so for me being able to hand it over
24:20
to scratch
24:21
within confidence
24:23
that yo dad you know he gonna slay this
24:25
[ __ ] you know i mean and we only had
24:27
maybe one or two
24:29
uh ping pong conversations of like yo um
24:32
um
24:34
that that was that was a little out of
24:35
the pocket right there all right cool i
24:38
was like yo man i thought you oh i left
24:40
that i left that gap from your scratch
24:42
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cool i know
24:43
that but it was like it was such a
24:46
seamless thing because
24:48
i was 200 confident in him and i think
24:51
that's glass that i heard scratching
24:53
through these interviews
24:54
that
24:55
um the advantage of being a producer
24:57
myself was
24:59
when he sent the tracks
25:01
i
25:03
said what the track needed i didn't get
25:05
on the song fate of the world and start
25:06
talking about my bends all right
25:08
you know what i mean
25:10
every song
25:11
the energy is spitting the song itself
25:14
you know what i mean the beat itself
25:16
so this makes me curious for the both of
25:18
y'all especially since you're such
25:19
prolific artist
25:21
when you guys pass when you transition
25:23
you know and you're just spirits and no
25:25
longer humans would you guys love if
25:29
everything that was on the cutting room
25:30
floor you know what i mean the bars the
25:33
production that didn't make it into
25:36
projects do you care if people are
25:38
digging them up and want to use that or
25:40
do you feel like it should be respected
25:43
i didn't want the public to hear this so
25:45
it should still stay in pandora's box
25:49
me me myself my my uh
25:51
my saying is die empty
25:54
don't leave nothing on the cutboard
25:55
floor
25:57
don't leave nothing on the cartridge
25:58
floor don't make me it's like don't make
26:01
anything that you don't want people to
26:03
hear
26:04
so i don't have anything on the cutting
26:06
room floor that's not something that i
26:08
wouldn't want people to hear if it's
26:10
something that hasn't been released or
26:11
anything like that it's definitely uh
26:14
dope because i delete it if i don't like
26:16
it i delete it
26:18
okay because i should become because
26:20
because i see
26:22
you know because i see families and
26:23
people that you know they're in charge
26:24
of estates when people pass away and
26:26
they put out music and they put out
26:28
stuff that that they weren't even
26:30
approved of when when when they were
26:31
alive so i think about stuff like that
26:34
as i as i got you know i got older
26:37
like nah if it's not dope if i don't
26:39
like it i'm deleting so it didn't never
26:41
get out
26:42
got it i got it i never thought about it
26:44
so
26:45
and
26:46
man
26:49
i try not to think about death be honest
26:51
with you but
26:52
i don't know to be honest i don't i
26:54
really don't know you know
26:56
i i've i've obviously do different drugs
26:59
when i was younger and i recorded myself
27:02
so
27:02
y'all may find some crazy
27:07
because the challenge
27:08
the challenge for rizza may be different
27:10
than the challenge from scratch like
27:12
scratch may not care like it will be
27:14
okay maybe nobody but when you say [ __ ]
27:17
you just at a certain point in your life
27:20
[Laughter]
27:25
just go in the hard drives and start
27:26
deleting that [ __ ]
27:30
it's gonna be a treasure hunt bro
27:36
[Laughter]
27:42
we've got a lot of people on the phone
27:44
lines the lines have lit up
27:46
um of course
27:48
why not man look who we got here man we
27:49
got dj scratch we got rizza saturday
27:52
afternoon kung fu theater i'm gonna take
27:54
these calls rizzo but i'll be remiss we
27:56
we just had this long
27:58
conversation about
28:01
slider house you know um joelle tease
28:03
crooked i joe bud and royce the five
28:05
nine and
28:06
uh they've been airing out a lot of the
28:08
dirty laundry um and you're starting to
28:11
find out about the inner workings of
28:12
what went on with that group why they
28:14
haven't been able to put it out over the
28:15
12 years i've got in 10 years they
28:17
haven't been able to put out an album
28:19
and then you just you're seeing these
28:20
conversations happen and it just kind of
28:22
reminded me of wu-tang clan you know
28:25
like i i
28:26
i think you guys were the masters you've
28:28
been the masters of um
28:30
letting the public know about the
28:32
frictions the lawsuits you know the
28:35
disparities and and it would hurt my
28:37
heart personally as a as somebody who
28:39
knew you all and i never
28:41
played into that at all with stories and
28:45
with the other artists that's a part of
28:47
wu-tang all the members because i love
28:49
y'all like brothers but also notice
28:51
something man about you all and i wonder
28:53
if the saying could be true for
28:55
slaughterhouse
28:56
to me and you could correct me when i
28:58
wrong when those truths came out when
29:00
you hear rayquan talk about deals he
29:02
felt like he was shortchanged on or you
29:04
hear methamine or these different folks
29:06
talk about ways they felt like they were
29:08
wronged in the business
29:10
um you would think that you guys would
29:12
never galvanize again but i've seen you
29:15
guys consistently over and over come
29:18
back together go on a tour maybe do a
29:21
project or something
29:22
do you think
29:24
these airing outs of dirty laundry
29:26
actually helped you guys did
29:28
in a way how does it strengthen the
29:30
relationship between y'all as brothers
29:33
i don't know sway but what i will say is
29:35
that
29:37
everybody has uh
29:38
got a perspective
29:40
that the most i've learned
29:42
from wu-tang especially if you watch the
29:45
mice and men documentary i learned that
29:47
everybody has a perspective
29:49
and
29:51
you don't like you can't see what's
29:53
behind behind you right now i see that i
29:55
see this stuff behind you scratch don't
29:56
see those blacks behind them we see it
29:58
you see us
30:00
and when when describing the story he
30:02
maybe he may describe y'all i saw all of
30:04
us on the screen we wouldn't describe
30:05
you all we saw that epmd plaque i mean
30:08
so perspective is so important and you
30:11
got to accept it whether you agree with
30:13
it or not you know
30:15
i don't i'm you know i don't think you
30:17
really hear me yeah i don't know
30:19
because i'm not interested in it i don't
30:21
see the flaws
30:22
like that like i don't see the floor
30:24
throughout the public need to know the
30:26
floor because positive education always
30:28
correct errors
30:30
but
30:30
i will say if it's brotherhood and
30:32
wu-tang is brotherhood
30:34
uh brothers say all type of things
30:36
brothers
30:38
your brother may wear your sneakers your
30:40
girlfriend may fall in love with your
30:42
brother there's all type of things that
30:43
happen but it's still your brother right
30:45
and so you and you still
30:47
um will go out for that same common
30:49
cause for wu
30:51
it's been that way and then for me in
30:53
particular
30:55
and and all it takes is one in all
30:57
reality takes one individual in the
31:00
circle to have that
31:02
hot to take the higher ground because
31:04
then he could lead others to the higher
31:06
ground there was a there was a moment in
31:08
a
31:09
quick story i'll make it quick he was in
31:11
a australia on a route tour after you
31:13
know at the time ugar was showing me
31:16
and everything and uh
31:18
we get to australia
31:20
his manager didn't take care of his
31:21
hotels he didn't have his credit card
31:24
he's there like this and he needed
31:26
accommodations
31:28
and i whipped mines out and took care of
31:30
it they just gonna come over like man
31:32
only a wu-tang this [ __ ] suing you and
31:34
you paying for it
31:38
i said no because he's my brother
31:40
he's my brother you know business is
31:42
business
31:43
i think
31:44
uh epmd said it best whether business
31:46
never personal
31:48
is that one of the albums
31:49
yo that line is so important because
31:52
business is business you can't you you
31:55
actually got to as a man separate the
31:57
two
31:58
you know i mean don't take it personal
32:00
keep the personal personal
32:02
but let the business be the business
32:05
and when and one thing man that i've
32:07
learned just to add on to that with epmd
32:10
i learned like
32:12
as a you know once i became like into my
32:15
40s
32:16
to never take business personal
32:20
never take business personally a lot of
32:22
people take business personal
32:24
and when you take business personally
32:25
that's when all of the crazy [ __ ] you
32:27
know what i mean
32:28
it gets crazy but yeah never take
32:30
business personally deal with the
32:31
business
32:32
and don't take it personal
32:35
who's that great hey sway great scene in
32:37
the movie you know watching with kramer
32:38
versus kramer right yeah go back dustin
32:41
dustin hall yeah
32:43
he's the best guy at the job but now
32:45
he's gotta take care of his son the boss
32:47
loves him he's giving him all these big
32:49
raises and then you know he's getting a
32:51
little sloppy because he's been a single
32:52
dad and his forces across the table from
32:54
him and says i'm gonna have to let you
32:56
go i have to fight he's like find me i
32:58
thought we was friends i thought he was
33:00
this yeah we are
33:02
but
33:03
i gotta let you go i love you love the
33:05
kid but business is business business
33:10
this is business man we got dj scratch
33:13
and rizzo on the line with us right now
33:16
um
33:17
in case you're wondering rizza did
33:18
return heather b's phone years ago when
33:21
he stole it
33:32
[Laughter]
33:35
i probably did do something like that no
33:38
you did
33:40
did he record anything on it no he
33:42
didn't record no lyrics but what
33:44
happened was i was like i think you got
33:46
my phone he's like no i don't i don't
33:48
have it and she walked off and then i
33:50
was like kelly i legit think he took my
33:52
phone by mistake his phone is here and
33:55
we're like calling my phone but he's
33:57
still not picking it up
34:00
kelly takes him back down the hallway
34:03
he's like oh word bog
34:05
[Laughter]
34:18
i'm gonna get to these phone lines
34:19
scratch today you were a topic of a
34:21
conversation we had a man who called we
34:24
do something called good news thursday
34:26
where you you celebrate with where you
34:27
are now even though you might have gone
34:29
through struggle there's this beauty and
34:31
the struggle and he became a dj after
34:34
spending like 16 years in jail and he
34:36
said man what and he had a lot of
34:37
naysayers around him but he said
34:39
something that you said and jazzy jeff
34:41
said about practice no matter where you
34:44
go how far you reach what levels you
34:46
obtain you still gotta practice and i
34:49
told him he was on the show today
34:51
and so meet dj sammy b he's on the line
34:54
with this right now scrap dj scratch
34:57
yeah
35:04
what's up scratch what's up beloved
35:06
what's going on
35:09
um
35:10
so be quick though this time sammy you
35:12
went about 15 minutes last time all
35:14
right go ahead now i'm just saying i'm
35:17
just saying he um scratch inspired me um
35:20
i met him before
35:22
i met him i met him before
35:24
and there was a time i wanted to give up
35:26
and there's a video if you could
35:27
remember you was doing do-overs and it's
35:30
a youtube video
35:32
and
35:34
the way the the passion the way i looked
35:37
at you the way you were djing i said
35:38
this man has passion
35:40
he has passion so i started watching you
35:42
a lot i listened to you on the radio
35:45
um
35:46
you have one of my one of my good
35:48
friends on your show too um dj billy
35:50
bush when you scratch but you're not
35:51
listening to your scratch vision and you
35:54
just
35:54
when you said about practice
35:57
when you said about practice because i
35:58
never used to practice
36:00
and
36:01
and i had an opportunity real quick i
36:04
want to say this i had an opportunity
36:05
where
36:06
i was on a big platform and it was a lot
36:08
of dj's
36:10
and i was doing too much i was trying to
36:12
be like other djs and i felt like i
36:15
ruined that opportunity so i want to say
36:18
to you
36:19
your my question to you was your fig
36:21
your first big opportunity was you
36:24
nervous
36:25
um how did you feel
36:27
and how do you keep your longevity going
36:31
um
36:32
no my first experience i was never i
36:34
i've never been nervous dj ever like
36:36
it's the opposite like i've
36:38
like it like
36:41
i get i get excited you know what i'm
36:43
saying like when there's an opportunity
36:45
or first time opportunity anything like
36:47
that or the bigger the crowd the more
36:49
excited i get so it's the opposite just
36:51
for me you know what i mean and i'm not
36:53
saying it in a cocky way that's just my
36:55
reaction to pressure i get excited
36:59
with the pressures some people
37:01
physically get sick get thrown they
37:03
throw up on some willy [ __ ] [ __ ] they
37:05
throw up before
37:06
they go on stage and perform and stuff
37:08
like that um
37:10
uh what was your other oh
37:12
and and everything else man it's just
37:14
for me
37:15
i'm just i still love to do it it's a
37:17
passion for me
37:18
i still want to get better like i'm 53
37:20
years old right now i'm better than i
37:22
was when i was 43 i'm better than i was
37:24
when i was 33 and 23.
37:27
i still want to get better there's
37:29
there's no
37:30
there's no ceiling on this [ __ ] on on
37:32
your skill set so for me
37:35
i was just djing before this interview
37:37
like i'm passionate and and for your
37:40
moment like
37:41
the moment that you had where you were
37:43
doing too much you was trying to show
37:44
out
37:46
and that's what you don't do just just
37:47
do your thing don't try to upstage
37:49
anybody because this also is a business
37:52
so if you're trying to upstage other
37:55
cats thinking oh he's trying to show out
37:56
and then when you're trying to show out
37:58
that's when you [ __ ] up you know what i
38:00
mean
38:01
that's when you [ __ ] up on the
38:02
turntables but yeah just just
38:05
just be passionate about it just be
38:07
passionate about it and you'll know when
38:08
to when to cut and scratch and when
38:10
tonight when to do transitions don't
38:12
want to just play records
38:14
all right sammy b we told you before you
38:16
a citizen and i got your email okay all
38:18
right so when you dj we hey we have a
38:21
blessed day you too man
38:23
will you will you do your guest set on
38:25
our show don't be showing off
38:28
let's do it you baby do you do you
38:33
sergio is in cali uh rise and shine
38:35
sergio what's happening sergio what up
38:39
roger you know how y'all doing feeling
38:41
good
38:42
all right
38:43
good i had a question for rizza uh you
38:46
know over the last couple of years i've
38:47
been uh
38:48
on my own journey trying to tap into
38:51
my own mental health and heal from my
38:53
past traumas and just appreciate you i
38:55
know you put out a meditation album and
38:58
have been really emphasizing right
39:00
meditation as a healing property and you
39:03
know uh just want to you know to see if
39:05
you can talk a little bit what's been
39:07
your journey through meditation and and
39:09
the importance of uh meditation and kind
39:12
of like self-reflection in terms of you
39:14
know dealing with our own health
39:16
especially for you know boys and men of
39:18
color who many times are uh you know not
39:20
taught to deal with trauma right or heal
39:22
from trauma but uh continue to
39:25
you know just deal with trying to be a
39:27
man and hardening up and and and not
39:29
opening up to and tapping into our
39:31
emotions just want to see if you can
39:32
talk a little bit about that importance
39:34
of you know tapping into your emotions
39:36
and being able to heal uh from our past
39:38
traumas using meditation and other
39:39
practices like that yeah i have a slogan
39:43
that
39:43
meditation
39:45
can be better than medication
39:48
um it's a meditation is an action of
39:51
doing something whether you're going to
39:52
do it sitting still
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or whether you're gonna walk
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the the best thing i can say to you now
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is that um
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doing it you don't have to sit still
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sometimes sitting still
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uh doesn't you know keep the chi
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motivated good enough to um to kind of
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meditate and let your mind go
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my favorite form of meditation is
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movement meditation which is long walks
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and contemplating while i'm walking
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and
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one thing
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i think
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that uh you know when you say what
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buddha was trying to teach this
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he was saying that in order to
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man's goal is to escape the will
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of life and death right to
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die and come back and die now we can't
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prove that nobody dies and come back
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but we can prove every day that you will
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go to rest
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you won't know where you're at you're
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going to wake up and you're back here
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again you know what i mean as the holy
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quran says we take your soul and we give
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it back right but
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buddha is saying that
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if you discover yourself through
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meditation do good deeds
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that self you discover when it's good
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never go back to your old self
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most people go back to their old cells
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if you say okay i'm stop
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drinking is my problem and you stop
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drinking
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as soon as you take a drink again you
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done reincarnated that guy you was
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trying to get away from
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he said you could come back as a pig you
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could come back
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as a bird
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and and those things are even the food
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you eat sometimes the personality or the
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food could be inside you you could be
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feeling stubborn not even knowing why it
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was the ham sandwich
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you know
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once you get conscious of yourself
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after the trauma once the trauma is done
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it's done in all reality
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you know i mean the woman's greatest
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pain is in labor
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right and she's going through that she's
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feeling it but once you give birth to
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the life the pain is gone
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and the joy replaces the pain and after
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a while she may never even she won't
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even think about the pain
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right so it's the same thing with trauma
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the same thing we're getting away from
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things that you've already done
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leave it
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and go ahead and involve and evolve to
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the better you
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i hope that helps you a little bit
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brother
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sorry gio did that help a little bit man
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thank you all right you're a citizen
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you're a citizen in the morning okay
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and i i used to um
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i said i used to meditate i used to walk
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do walk meditation
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and uh
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i changed that because it was out while
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i was walking
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and i was eating uh
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i was eating a sandwich while i was
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walking walking meditating
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and ran into a big-ass black bear oh
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what
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you ran it you bumped into the bear like
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excuse me
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like a few feet away
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like out by my crib and
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and i saw i'm like oh [ __ ] and then it
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was another one a small one i'm like
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okay yogi and booboo let me get the [ __ ]
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out of here
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so i just turned around started walking
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tell you don't run if you see a bed
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don't run until he starts running after
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you said so so now i moved i meditate in
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the crib turn everything off in the dark
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every morning
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oh man
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what kind
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[Laughter]
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[Music]
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you had gas bubbles
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struggle to the bubble baby
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there you go tracy
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there you go you know
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hey man we
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man i love y'all you know if i don't
43:58
tell you enough scratch i love you
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brother i love i sat on that very couch
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that you sitting on i did an episode of
44:04
scratch vision okay rizzy you know i
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love you come on man all right
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yeah our families are intertwined and
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our and our legacies are intertwined and
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you immortalized tech and me when you
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had those two young men by the way the
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young man that played king tech in
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season two is carmelita sanchez's son
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who is also the star cobra kai now so
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carmelita was it was suede tech
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carmelita was always
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you know part of that she's a part of
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the show she was the gatekeeper for us
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and so it just came full circle and uh
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it's amazing the project is amazing um
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i'd love to have you guys on again rizzo
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i definitely want to continue these kind
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of conversations saturday afternoon
44:46
uh kung fu theater is out now
44:49
imma end with fate of the world but if
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you guys want to
44:52
reach out to them do it directly okay
44:55
hit them up there's a lot of questions
44:57
this this um listening to this project
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made me feel like i was reading a book
45:02
yes
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and bobby digital is in the battle who
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wins bobby digital arizona
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you gotta wait you gotta wait to see you
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gotta keep you gotta watch the seat
45:19
oh okay i'll see what's going on all
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right okay well listen man that
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concludes our show heather i know you
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heard it headed to urban view
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headed to urban view with soul food
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thursday recipes and tips for your bar
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for your table and of course for your
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soul you can hit me up at the happy hour
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whb doing recipes and tips and channel
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126 in about seven minutes thanks y'all
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god bless good luck with everything
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thank you appreciate you guys
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