Oscar-Winning Cynthia Erivo Talks 'I Forgive You' 💿 | SWAY'S UNIVERSE

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i had to play that clip right there heather be officially live that was our guest Cynthia Revo singing at the
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Kennedy Center Honors in 2023 and the reason why we played that clip
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is because Heather B our good friend our sister Susette Williams and I were in
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the crowd when you sang this we were right there we stood up and gave because
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you had to move there were statues in that crowd initially initially and it
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was like the scene from Whiz when they peeled all the layers off and became
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free when you sang that note i want to welcome her to the show ladies and gentlemen Grammy Emmy Tony Awardwinning
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actress producer singer allaround incredible talented individual Cynthia
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is here welcome to the
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Yes cynthia how are you i'm good thank you thank you for asking how are you i'm doing great i And I do this uh Tracy G
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because she and I had an encounter we did yes right at at JFK once and Okay and I was you know I travel by myself
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i'm really kind of low-key i'm easily approachable and I was on the phone and I said "That looks like Cynthia is that
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is that Cynthia?" Because I'm not even sure if we had met in person we Well we met in person but a long time ago yeah
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yeah well you you were in New York at Yeah yeah yeah when you were in New York that's how far back we met in person and
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you came up to me and you were so warm to me when you approached me and you didn't have to be and I looked around i
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immediately got into like safety mode because you were by your I didn't see
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anybody with you you were by yourself i was yeah you were by yourself i was by myself yeah so I went into once I got
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off the phone I go into big brother mode right so I was like I got to protect her
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you're right but I I appreciated how you moved in public yeah i mean I think
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there's a way I don't know if I can do that now that was before the film but I still think there's a way to be you know
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you can still have some of your own like privacy you can still be approachable you you still be kind when
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you're moving around i think it lets people know that one you're approachable and two everything's fine we're still
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human beings we're still human beings so you don't know this but when the plane landed because we were sitting in the
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same you know we were sitting first class go ahead and class you go acting like we ain't paint the
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picture i just want to make sure they get the details i when I got off the
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plane I sat there and waited for like 20 minutes because I wanted to make sure you were safe but I didn't see you exit
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the same way I exit no no that's a different exit it's a different exit okay all right i told you
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you disappeared it was a different exit it was a different exit yeah so when you get Am I supposed Should I I don't want
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to tell the secret no you ain't got to tell the secret but yeah it's a different exit it just It gets me off quickly and then cuz usually I'm going
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from the plane to something immediately so that was what was happening okay i didn't know somebody took you i didn't
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know i was okay i promise okay then I went to go i went You made it you're okay and you're here and I went to see
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Wicked to make sure it was really you
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but I want to welcome you to the show give it up for Cynthia Ree here we're here to talk about the new album I have
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to give you uh but congratulations i did go see Wicked thank you a friend of mine
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who's an actress um as well we went to go see it uh and we wanted to just go dissect it and and look at your uh just
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look at the interaction between Ariana and yourself and and the whole cast what an outstanding what an outstanding
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film to be a part of congratulations you did your thing especially when you that last note from
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Defying Gravity i know everybody talks about it you know I've tried to hit it a few times this morning
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wow can I hear it wow cynthia you are an angel go ahead Sway you've been practicing all morning all right John
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give me give me give me a quue john a reference he needs a reference track
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[Applause] sway that's actually amazing Cynthia and
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you were like on the note oh man Cynthia we're never going to be able to sit in a
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room no but that was on the note that was in the same like the same octave saying note that was the same note i'm
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actually a little bit like amazed i'm like I'm a little bit shocked i didn't expect that cynthia it's going to be
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impossible to work with him now do you understand that but he was on the no he was terrible all morning long we've been
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clowning him and cracking on him and saying "Please do not do it in front of her." And I cannot believe this fool
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actually hit the note in front of you he hit the note he's been failing all morning you don't
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turn into the first time that happened he fails in front of everybody you have no idea how much he flunks in front of
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pressure i just need you just needed me to be here that's it your presence you just needed me to be here that's it wow
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that was on the You heard that i'm so mad you made it me impossible to deal with cynthia you don't understand the
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other side of it when you I'm not making that up i'm not making anything up here i'm not like I'm I'm that you heard you
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heard that you all heard it but you don't understand it's been two three
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three hours of him failing and we can't believe he just hit the note in front of you that's why we're all shocked it's
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like damn it we wanted him to fail you know he's going to run it back every single day until 2025 is a wrap let me
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get ready for it as long as I got I want to hear can we run it back can we just hear it one oh my god you should do it
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again live swag he can't he don't have He don't have two of them tracy tracy
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oh wait oh wait you want to hear you yeah give me a second on that all right
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work on that work on that okay cynthia here man yeah we'll hear it later did that How did that note change your life
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i mean it's so crazy that's such a great question because nobody's asked that question but it has completely changed
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my life one because people sing it to me randomly in the street when I'm going
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when I'm leaving somewhere if I'm like if I'm signing or or like if I'm talking to people i I will often hear it just as
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I'm leaving so someone will do it as I walk away but like who knew that people
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would fall in love with with that with that note with how it it's sung because it really at first I wanted to do it as
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like the original and when I did the MD and the composer were like okay great
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now what's your version and when that version sort of happened and it was a natural thing I just tried something and
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that felt really good that has sort of reverberated I keep hearing it in different places
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people keep doing it there was a challenge on it i had no idea that it would do that and that that song would
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do that that people would um connect the song in that way uh and I love that people keep trying to do this this note
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it's kind of wonderful that's dope i love that man and I I don't I won't harbor on the on the on Wicked but I did
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go to see it because of you and um I can't wait to see uh the next
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installment and then the next installment as well and I I learned a lot about Alphaba yeah right and in it
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because I watched this differently than I ever watched it before because of you and who she was she was misunderstood
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she was framed she had these gifts you know and she eventually um you know
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became demonized because of it in a sense and I and I was curious too for you are there any parallels to Alphaba
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and Cynthia yeah I think so but I think the idea that someone who is different
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and gifted can make people scared or and or be separated from people ostracized i
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I sort of I really understood what that felt like um that sort of uh solo nature
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that she has that very um lonely the loneliness that she felt i understood that implicitly i knew what that felt
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like and I've never felt uh the same as anyone i've always felt very odd it's
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like it's an interesting feeling but I've always felt different odd and I I
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knew what that felt like i'm lucky because I've grown enough to sort of enjoy that but she is in a place where
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she has to learn to love it she has to learn to um accept that about herself so
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I have a deep love for for Alpha Bird because she's sort of like in the middle of learning who she is and and getting
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used to being different and growing her talents and her skills uh despite what
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people say yeah despite what people say i think we all kind of have that experience that that odd feeling i know
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Heather Heather has been an outlier in her whole career even in her family but
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then you learn oh well oh well oh well but those things become
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your superpower absolutely yeah yeah yeah since that right absolutely yeah because even watching you in that
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airport I I was very I've been around a long time Cynthia i've seen a lot and I
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was very smitten by the way you know you by the way you moved i was very
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impressed by that you know and I wanted you to I want to I wanted to know that you were happy yeah you know you're
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happy right now yeah I am what it feel like what it feel like i don't know it feels like my feet are on the ground you
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know i feel very like in myself it's nice it's nice yeah i like my I like the
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work I do i like the people around me um Yeah i like myself so it's nice i love
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that it It dawned on me when I watched you and Sway hug in the hallway i was like is this only her second time with
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us in the studio because Yeah that's I realize now back in 2019 she came to New
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York and Tracy and I sat with you for Harriet and I remember the excitement
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you wasn't there that day you were working you were doing another project and so Tracy and I had the opportunity to meet you and we were just like blown
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away and so then the next time we saw you Sway and I saw you at the Kennedy Center which was in 2023 and then we see
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you now with everything that's happening for me I'm such a fan of that very thing
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like that outlier that being different i I feel like I've watched this beautiful
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butterfly just come out i mean from your style from the fashion sense I think
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you're one of those people now and I know it can be all very superficial but I look for you on the red carpet i wait
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to see what you're going to be wearing i I think you embrace um this strength in
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such a it's a feminine way but it's so strong even today just like casually fly
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you know and and then your nails have become a statement as well that is that has amazed me talk to me about that cuz
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I used to own a hair and nail salon and nails yes I did and nails were a big thing but I think Cynthia what you have
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done has now taken it to another level can we talk about that yeah I it's so
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interesting because when I I've been doing my nails since I was 16 my godmother took me to a nail salon and it was something that we would do just to
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sort of connect the two of us you know and and I and I've been doing it for a really long time i maybe stopped for a
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little bit because of characters and it didn't make sense for certain characters but whenever I'd come out with characters I go and get them done again
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and and when I started doing film it was kind of sneered at it wasn't really like
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it wasn't like the fun thing to look it wasn't It wasn't the fly thing it wasn't the fly thing at all but I was still
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like "This is a part of me i love doing it makes me feel good it's a lovely moment to just like be with myself and
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sit and get my nails done." It was something I didn't ever really give up and I just stuck with it and somehow
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it's so interesting how it's like everyone has come towards me now we're
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we're connecting for me nails are another way of expressing myself it's
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another art form um I I'm lucky enough to know some brilliant artists this the
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the girl who does my nails right now her name is Micah uh or Claus by Dior um she
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is turning 20 literally tomorrow she's turning 20 tomorrow she's 19 she's
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19 years old what's her name micah micah micah getting checks give it up for Micah what's her Instagram do you Claus
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by Dior claus by Dior like Claus claus by Dior yeah okay how long did it take
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to do a set like for her to do a set like that for you how long does it normally take her it depends so if she's
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doing like a fresh set from start cuz I'm old school it's acrylic they're not pressons um if she's doing it from start
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to finish it can take anywhere from 5 to 7 hours if it's like a redo a refill it's like 3 to 5 hours wow wow yeah and
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I just sit they're beautiful she's really a genius and I I don't know i think I I'm so excited by how excited
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people are about them now they're like almost more famous than I am well I was going to say that i think Cynthia
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there's two parts now there's what you're wearing and then Okay now the nail let's see nails yeah yeah yeah and
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it's such a wonderful thing because it's something we've known for a long time for a long time absolutely it's been a
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part of our history for a long time and we've seen Flojo run you know races with
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them and she's it it was like before it was the curve you know and and and it's
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I mean even models used to walk the runway with it and I now for it to sort of be be able to
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come back and for it to be a part of uh popular culture is is really fun that we
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can still keep people you know guessing and people can enjoy them and I can
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still do something that basically is a part myself and I haven't had to change it you know I hope you EP one of those
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nail shows or something cuz nail lit was successful and you should bring all the different um designers who who did your
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nails that's an amazing now well you get produced credit now i think that's producer credit and
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then let's do it let's do it that's a really But it's cool it's such a cool That's a really great idea just because
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there are so many brilliant artists who are like painting cysteine chapels on people's nails and creating things that
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go I mean it's insane i've met some amazing artists in my time and that
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people don't realize just how hard they work and how brilliant they are the the molding that they do creating flowers
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out of molding gel like they just are brilliant my mind is is blown when I see
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the work that they do so that actually is a beautiful day let's go Cynthia let's go Cynthia hey um by the I think
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the engineer has has it queued up oh he's ready we're never ready to hear the end of it okay let's go let's do the
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comparison let's hear it let's me define gravity
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[Applause] that's actually amazing i started off a
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little rough but yeah but you're on the note get me in the movie Cynthia
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let's go i'm I'm just like I'm so I because it's that's high yeah you know
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you know I got hidden talents but that's not enough about me he failed all morning i'm more impressed that he hit
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it right in front of you like I That was the moment he feared and so I said "Well I'm going to ask her to ask don't do it
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don't do it." And you asked out of nowhere that's why I was so excited and then he freaking nailed it no pun intended all right tracy I know you in
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New York jump in for me jump in before we start talking about the project what I'm what I'm appreciating about all of this Cynthia is um from your nails to
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your work it really is a testament that your creative expression is alive through both your doing and your being
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you know that's what I'm really feeling from this you're so welcome and I'm so excited for this project I forgive you
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coming out in June worst of me is incredible and when I think about You're
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so welcome i I appreciate all forms of art and when I think about music I tend
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to see a mirror you know I feel like that's the cathartic experience for an artist that they can use it to kind of
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excavate their own thoughts and then when I think of theater and acting in general it's like you get to disappear
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inside someone and that's cathartic and you gain lessons in that way um and so
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I'm curious for you where does Cynthia's artistry I guess show up fully on the m
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the most fully on the mic or on the screen where is vulnerability most comfortable for
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you i I maybe I maybe it's it's behind the mic it's like when I get to sing uh
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I feel like it uh allows me to open up really really fully but there is
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something about being different characters that forces me to find things in myself uh
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that connect with whichever character I'm playing i've never played a character that uh doesn't have a part of
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me in them and so I I guess it's about different parts of me being and I love
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the you that art can excavate the the person
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it's a way to excavate what we're going through and it can be a cathartic process and I think that being
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characters can sometimes be really cathartic alphaba was cathartic for me because I was using a lot of what I had
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been through and channeling it through her but with the music that I've made I
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there's there's no um I guess the character can sometimes be the filter through which comes through people
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things come through but the music is there's no filter between me and the music so I guess you get um almost uh
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like a purer version of me when you hear me sing because there's there's nothing
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between me and the song and the music that makes sense and I think that's kind of what you're experiencing do you feel
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like way Oh oh go ahead Trace no no problem um I'm hearing what you're sharing and I love it it's making me
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wonder now do you feel like your experiences in acting have changed the
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way that you approach songwriting meaning like are you able to embody a lyric or um build a
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narrative in a different way through the lens of an actress i think so i I think so as because you
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have to learn sometimes when you're playing a character you have to learn to say a million things with two words and
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so what that's I think affected when it comes to writing for me is what's the
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what is the most effective and simplest way to get to the heart of the matter without needing 10 words for a sentence
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maybe it's just three or four how do I say something clearly and meaningfully
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without using every word in the dictionary and I think that's probably what it's affected for me songwriting
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wise it means that I distill quicker you know that's I think that's what it that
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being an actress has helped and also it's all the some of the references in and worst to me there's a reference to
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Romeo and Juliet that obviously comes from you know knowing the the play and understanding like a specific scene and
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knowing those lines it is a curse on both your houses that is the line in the play but if I hadn't had the experience
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and read the play or known the play then I wouldn't know that reference it's it sometimes affects what you hear what you
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see the things you actually say and what you refer to yeah you're also saying
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bruises only heal when you apply some love and tenderness uh you could cut me deeper than the
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ocean but I refuse to drown i'm coming up i want to breathe again
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tell us about writing this song yeah it was I we didn't spend very long
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on it it was myself Jessica Gmbar and my producer Will Wells and I just wanted to
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I wanted to write something that had a little fight in it yeah you know I knew
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it was about uh speaking about experiences we're in a relationship that
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just doesn't work anymore it's that it's a relationship where you you really do
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bring out the worst it's like instead of not even bringing it out it's what you're looking for the worst in a person
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and and I had experienced that and I wanted to that's what I wanted to talk about like being in something that just
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doesn't feel you you don't feel in innately good
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anymore it's like the I keep when we're fighting I don't feel good about this it
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doesn't feel like we're ever going to reach like an equilibrium it's just it all feels wrong
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and and I wanted to talk about what that feeling was and I I knew
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that this is also the moment where you have to decide to move on and leave and
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so that moment of speaking about feeling like you're being cut like as deep as the ocean but deciding I'm
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not going to be pulled under anymore i'm going to I'm going to get out of this that's that's how it was to write and we
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spent I don't know four or five hours writing it and then it was sort of done it came it sort of poured out of me a
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lot of that that's a lot of You feel relieved after you wrote it well I kept going back and back and
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adding like little things to the sound of it even um even when we started doing
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the orchestrations for the strings i remember saying I want it to sound fierce i want it to sound like um uh
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like almost like a an actual fight so the strings are really they're like vicious on it as well yeah yeah you put
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to words a lot of things I felt in past relationships okay and then I felt in one relationship
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in particular that all we had left was the fight was the fight that's all you have left and it's like at that point
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why are we doing it and are we just comfortable in it do we just is that what we that's all we expect that's all
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we can feel the only thing we could feel was that and sometimes you forget that that isn't how you're supposed to feel
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yeah but you're so used to it and it's not at all the two covers I
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found for the singles so u we got uh where you seem you seem like you're in the nude right and you have these wings
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and the worst of me the wings are a different color than they are for replay
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yeah right and one with replay I believe the wings are black yes and you're kind of hunched over and it it appears to be
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that you're in pain right and then for the worst of me the wings are white and you're standing tall can you talk to me
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about what was the concept between behind that so because the album is called I forgive you I started doing
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research into like what the symbolism for forgiveness is and I found that it
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what kept coming up is the white dove with the olive branch the white dove with the olive branch and I kept looking
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to see if it would change and it was always the white dove with the olive branch so I thought well what does what are the birds that symbolize
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sort of like hurt pain and it's like either the crow it's like the magpie so they're usually the black wings and then
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I thought on the other side of it what could that be and I wanted to see if I
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could um humanize the dove so the white wings are sort of a a sort of throw back
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to to the dove itself and on some of the imagery you'll see me with the olive branch in my hand or Yeah I was just
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trying to create another symbol for forgiveness essentially how how important um and thank you for
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explaining that and you look amazing on it too that send me back to the gym um well not yet but
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I just y looked at not yet it gave me inspiration but even um the title of the
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album uh I forgive you i forgive you can mean so many different
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things you know I had to say I forgive you to so many people but it didn't
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count until I said it to myself yes right that is the point that's the point
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of it i I had searched for the the title of this album for such a long time and I
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had something else and I was like this is it's too much and I'm trying too hard what do I actually want to say and then
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the the phrase I forgive you i was like oh that's it's hard it's very hard to say it it's very hard to say it to
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yourself and it's very hard to say it to other people and I thought well what if this is a
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moment that I one can say it to other people and say it to myself and then because it's because that's what this is
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called for those who are just a little too afraid to extend that to others this
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is an excuse to just keep saying the words until you're ready to actually say them to someone
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i love it heather if you want to say I forgive you to me for criticizing my singing you can no no absolutely you had
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one lucky shot no I'm not saying that that is mine that That was
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beautiful what Cynthia just said it was I feel it but not for now like no not for Sway right now Cynthia it's cool but
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I I love what she said because it brings me back it makes so much sense because a
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lot of times um for for spiritual purposes Yeah doves
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and olive branches also represent a sign of peace yeah that's right and I think what happens with forgiveness it also
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brings you peace inner peace first and then peace possibly with whatever situation you had to have that bridge of
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forgiveness with and so I love that i didn't um Suede picked it up so much sooner than what I did but after you're
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breaking it down is so much more clearer to me you know and then with with the songs as well but I wanted to go back to
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something that you said about your music and your passion for it and was wondering still if you ever get blown
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away because Sway started this show with your clip from the Kennedy Center yeah
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and to his point I we we whispered a couple of times to each other like why aren't these people moving in here like
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who are these people but you ended up with a standing ovation it was the first one and maybe like one of the few of the
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night and to look up Cynth Joe Biden was in office and
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they're all standing up and clapping for you did something go back to your childhood did you have that moment was
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like is this really happening to me right now i do get that very often there are moments where it's just like
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it's it's a strange thing where you're like in it and then all of a sudden you're out and you're like wait what how did that happen because there are so
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many things that I couldn't even have imagined would be happening and so I
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keep having to and I also want to be really present in those moments i really want to still allow little Cynthia to to
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be really excited by it all i I never want to lose the excitement over what is
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happening because if I do then what is what's the point
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you know that things can still surprise me and things can still be really exciting and things can still be new and
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I can still achieve things that I never thought were possible and I I am so
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deeply grateful for the opportunities that have come but I I am blown away by a lot of it i'm this entire year blew me
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away wow like being able to sit here and finish finishing that album was a real
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moment of oh my gosh it's it's done i did it and then to be able like sitting
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in the room with all this with the string orchestra it like this is my album they're playing my music it's for
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my album i'm in the middle of these brilliant players and they're playing my music blown away standing on that stage
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singing to Dion Warrick yes blown away like I couldn't I was I was listening to
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Dion Work when I was 10 in my mom's in the back of my mom's car when she's taking me to school now I get to sing to
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her it's insane these things i can't I can't discount how amazing and and
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and unreal and surreal these things are because the second I start to think that
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it's just an everyday thing is the second I think it starts to all fall away if I keep I really do believe
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things are cyclical if I keep putting um gratitude into the universe if I keep
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allowing myself to be amazed by it then the universe will keep amazing me and it
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will keep giving me things to be grateful for amen wow man give that a round of applause beautiful your month
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of June you're going to be blown away thank you even more okay the album is released on June 6th right yes i forgive
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you and then you're headlining World Pride June 7th wow perfect
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i just Yeah that that set of days is again one of those moments like oh my
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goodness this is a big deal it goes album on the sixth world pride the
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seventh the eighth you know and it it's almost I
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want to say by the time we get to the Tony's it's almost 10 years since I was on Broadway doing The Color Purple and I
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it just I can't I don't even know if I have the words but to be one to be doing Wild
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Pride now mhm as feeling as much of myself as I possibly can feel just feels
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really special yeah it's a really special thing to to be able to do that the day after I I get to release my
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album and then I get to go and sing some of it at World Pride on that massive stage with those people with people who
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I care about and then come back to my other family on Broadway and you know
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guide people through their night watch people win their Tony's be the person
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that you know helps people onto their onto the stage as they get to pick up their award it's celebrating other
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people who have been on the stage just like I was those years ago this is a dream come true truly all of those
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moments are dreams that I've had so I I'm I can only be beyond grateful yeah
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it's just so cool you're so cool man let's give her a round of applause cynthia Revo is here i
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want to thank you for coming through i know I'm looking at your handlers man they looking at the clock but uh but I
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know you got a lot to do but I want to tell you I'm really proud of you and and you're good for you're you're great for
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the world understand that and when you hit that stage at World Pride you're going to reassure and give a lot of
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confirmation to a lot of people who be watching you all over the world who may have had it difficult but they see your
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victories and that become their victories when you host at Tony Awards those um Broadway actors who may not
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have reached this kind of visibility and heights know that hey let's keep going
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you know she's one of us you know even you seeing you sing what was that coachella I think it was Purple Rain was
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it Purple Rain that's right you know um I love the way you hold yourself in the world continue success to you the songs
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are brilliant can we get Cynthia to sing you listening this way in the morning right now on Shade 45 you want me to ask
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her or you just want to ask well since you did a duet with her you might as well i don't know i'm going to do it can Would you mind singing something what do
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you need me give me the night let me say Let me write them down tell her you should have wrote that down you I'm
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working okay go ahead Cynthia this is what I deal with a diva every day it's
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impossible all of the handlers he's trying to figure out what side of the plane you got out on so he could get be
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out on the same side as you the next time it's a lot dealing with sway but every time we are blessed with the
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opportunity to have someone um who does the same thing like you do on a high level we ask them to do like a morning
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salute or morning wake up to the people listening to the show so it's like you're listening to Sway in the morning
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on Shade 45 this is Cynthia Revo you can sing it you can um come up with something you got bars you spit you rap
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no I do sing though i'll sing you a song get you a song together right now she said no bars sway so yeah something
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simple and you'll hear it like pretty much well now that you sang with what Soy sang with Jules you'll hear it every
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day so yeah we're gonna do it live right now can you understand that that's that writing that I wrote in graffiti okay go
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ahead graffiti you're listening to
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[Music] Okay and then say your name say your
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name this is Cynthia lots of love that's it i'm good man that's one take we can end it right there all right cool all
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right great album out i forgive you all right uh thank you
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Cynthia we appreciate you you come back and see us every time whenever you need me okay thank you i appreciate I want
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Thank you for being so welcoming and lovely today i love you we love you we earned it and deserve it okay let's play
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the What we going to play a replay let's do that all right

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