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Get inspired by discussions on innovation, individuality, and the true art of lyricism. Plus, witness electrifying freestyles from Mickey Factz, Show Rocker, and Chilla Jones that showcase their unmatched skills. This is a must-watch for any hip-hop fan looking to deepen their appreciation for the culture. Don't miss out!
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro
01:22 - Mickey Factz Returns
04:11 - Mickey Factz on Pendulum Beginnings
12:44 - What's Missing in Hip-Hop
15:42 - AI in Music Creation
17:40 - Kendrick vs. Drake Comparison
21:45 - Battling Era Differences
25:42 - Chilla Jones Joins the Show
29:29 - Mickey Factz Insights
30:34 - Chilla Jones Discussion
32:18 - Trillary Banks Introduction
34:59 - Mickey Factz Contributions
35:45 - Overusing the Word Genius
37:35 - Teaching Song Structure with Mickey Factz
40:10 - Freestyle Cypher: Chilla Jones, Mickey Factz, & Show TuFli
47:21 - Show Rock Performance
51:34 - Chilla Jones Highlights
55:02 - Mickey Factz on Lupe Fiasco vs. Mos Def
57:44 - Final Words and Pendulum Sign Up
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0:02
Yo, I got caught up in no bars. Nothing like clear, crisp bars. There's
0:08
nothing in the world like this. Nothing. It's like a fresh cup of water. That part. Spring water. The good stuff
0:16
that come in the green bottle. That mountain valley glass. The good water. The glass bottle. That
0:21
one. Mic check. There we go. Yes. Hold up, man. Let's Let's You know what I like about
0:27
this man right here? But we could just sit and have regular conversation. Okay. Yeah. That's we talk about culture and hip hop
0:35
throughout our lives. Yes. Right. And it's interesting when you get in a position of power, so to speak, or
0:41
leverage, and you get on these microphones, people tend to shy away from the
0:46
fundamentals, the the core of what got us into this culture. And we come up with these arguments and these excuses
0:53
to why the things that mattered most to us in the beginning matter least to us
0:59
now. Like creativity. Okay. Like being innovative, like lyricism,
1:07
like individualism. Yes. Like praise for those who raise the bar.
1:12
We start praising metrics. We start praising uh viral moments and
1:18
headlines, right? we start praising trends and so I dare say with this young
1:23
man uh when he first started coming up to this show is as out of I don't know what year it might have been 2011 11
1:30
12 somewhere around that time he was one of the first MC's to come here and set the tone we were on a mission to elevate
1:37
the conversation and elevate the output that comes out of our culture and not being influenced or corrupted
1:43
or uh infiltrated um by the powers that be that now we all are starting starting to recognize what
1:50
was behind the curtain of the music business, right? When we see the collapse of these record labels, when we see when we learning
1:57
that some of these things that we believed about artists and their success in terms of analytics and metrics
2:03
weren't true, right? Um, but those who sustain, yes,
2:09
those who have longevity, yes, are those who have innovation, they have
2:15
individualism. And there's another word I'm looking for. Intellect. Talent.
2:21
Okay. Intellect. Thank you. Talent and skill. Jeff, you
2:26
mind closing that door for me? Talent and skill. I'm setting this up because
2:32
I'm super proud of this guest. I really Yeah. He's somebody I feel like that was
2:37
born and raised at the same time we were. Even though he's younger than us, we share the same values. I believe in
2:43
the same morals. as I watch him as I watch him go on platforms like a Curtis King or or Ray Daniels and
2:51
I watch him talk about the science of this art form that we call rap and I
2:57
want to thank him you could find him whether he's with um Clive Davis over there at NYU whether you see him doing
3:05
speaking gigs on his own whether he's on different platforms or whether he's with his own organization Pendulum I want to
3:12
say thank you to your contrib contributions to our community, to our culture, and to our intellect.
3:18
Thank you. Because people are shying away from that. That's true. Curiosity is dead, right? And we tend to
3:25
focus on the hate. Yes. And not pay attention to the praise. Yes. Right. As you said in your lyrics,
3:32
welcome him back to the show, man. Give it up for the one and only the legendary
3:37
Mickey Fax is here, man. Big facts. Big facts. Mickey Fax. Nikki,
3:44
[Applause] who you got with you, man? I got my guy Chiller Jones in the building. Chill Jones.
3:50
You got Show Rocker in the building. Chilla Jones. Show Rocker
3:55
Ramology. And we got uh uh my man Rap Seminar. We all in the building. Y all in the building. And this is a
4:02
organ. This is your team. Yes. This at Pendulum, right? Co-owners and and a former student who
4:07
is now an employee of Okay. That's what's up, man. Yeah. Let's start with this. Mickey Fax
4:13
is here. He got a new album, One Above All, that's coming out November 7th. Yes. Uh we just played the track Bring
4:19
It Back. Pendulum is um
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is one of a kind. Yeah. It's a very unique platform. Can you break down the beginnings and
4:30
what is it purpose? What do you hope to achieve? Well, yeah. I mean, uh for me, it was one of those scenarios where during the
4:37
pandemic, um you know, we saw the tragic loss of uh DMX. So, the tragic loss of
4:42
Shock G and um the the other tragic loss of Black Rob.
4:48
Yeah. And you know, those MC's, you know, they have hit records. They have stature. And
4:55
sadly and uncomfortably, we we saw their affairs weren't in order in the public
5:01
eye. And for me, you know, I I don't have the um
5:06
I don't have the accolades as as they have from a from a hit record perspective. That's one of the things that has always eluded me for whatever
5:13
reason. Um, so I said to myself, well, you know, I don't want this to happen to me. So, I want to try to create
5:19
something for myself and and and try to teach hip-hop. And I was told no
5:24
everywhere because you need a masters to teach at at higher ed. So, everywhere I I went to to to apply
5:32
for a job, they told me no. And um one day I was just like, you know what, man?
5:37
I'm just going to have to do it myself. And you know we started this thing in
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2022. Yeah. And um you know they say you know most businesses fail after two years and we
5:48
are operational as of four years as of February next year. And let's go.
5:55
You know we went against the grain because you know you got to think about you know during the pandemic it was so
6:01
many scams going on and a lot of people just didn't trust you know what was happening. So, we had
6:07
to kind of push through that narrative. We had to state a course and we had to
6:12
get a lot of people that we consider our peers and and legends of the game
6:18
to kind of solidify what it is that we do. And and that kind of helped us, you know, march along into this space um of
6:26
of teaching not only lyricism uh not only uh uh rhythm and style, but also,
6:32
you know, hip-hop mental health. uh our students are required to go to our uh
6:38
rhymecology classes uh because you know we want to make sure that the emotion is in their music. We
6:43
don't want to create robotic MC's, you know. We teach the business of hip-hop, you know, we teach how to create
6:50
content. We have poetry classes. Um, and then, you know, we also get
6:55
together in person, you know. So, we're it's not just us that's here. You know, our whole, you know, some of our students are here. They flew in from all
7:01
over the world. Yeah. To come here this weekend because we have our retreat this weekend. So, yeah. Y did something with RAS, right?
7:06
Yeah. We did something with Rascast last night. Shout out to RAS at Five Mics. Yeah. You know, so our students
7:12
performed last night. My man Basics, he performed. He flew in from Canada, Montreal, you know, and uh it was it was a good it
7:19
was a good situation. Shout out to Mellow Man Ace andqame and everybody that was there last night. Meow Man Ace came out.
7:25
Yeah, Melan was our master. Oh [ __ ] Okay. Mellow Man Ace um legend
7:31
out here on on the West Coast of course. We had him on the show recently. Another
7:36
legend. Uh Bumb was the first keynote speaker right at the right at the
7:43
graduation. Right. Yes. Yes. Shout out to to big bro Bum B. You know he uh he didn't know what he
7:50
was walking into when he came and and did it that first time and he walked out saying that Pendulum
7:56
Inc. is a wellness center, you know, after he saw everybody's
8:01
reaction to to being at the school. And you know, I just told him, I need you to, you know, be a commencement speaker
8:06
for 15 minutes. I said, just I'll take care of your flight. If you need a room, I got you. I'll get you car service,
8:12
whatever it takes. Just I just need you here, you know, for that inaugurational, you know, commencement speaker. And he
8:18
said, Mickey, I got you, brother. And he and he he was phenomenal. Of course, that's Bun B. Give it up for
8:24
Bun B, man. Shout out to Bun. Um people, this is something you want to
8:29
We got a lot of um kids that tune in to this show. A lot of youth. uh parents who grew up in hip hop if they want to
8:36
get their children involved with Pendulum, how can they do it? Um they could just uh DM us at uh
8:42
Pendulum Mink on Instagram or uh DM me on any of the social media platforms. I
8:49
have OCD, so I answer every DM. Mickey.fax. Yeah, Mickey.fax ckey. Facz on
8:56
Instagram. Um twitter.com if you still on there. Ask uh Mickeyfax. Facebook, most people
9:04
probably on Tik Tok now. So, real Mickey Facts on Tik Tok and just just DM me, send me a message,
9:09
you know, and we respond back to everybody because you just never know who you're talking to, you know, and you want to make sure that everybody gets
9:15
that same response and love uh because we're all human and we all we all have
9:20
the same goals in this space. So, if you have ever sent me a DM, as long as you're not soliciting, you just jumping
9:26
in my inbox, then yeah, we can have a conversation. Hey, man. Um there's a you you respond
9:32
to any and everybody, right? Including your haters, right? Cuz I'm thinking about the song Money Dance, right? And
9:38
then Well, you say this is a tribute to my haters. You say we don't block our haters,
9:45
right? What you press mute or something on them. But but so when you talk about wellness,
9:51
health and wellness, one of the things I did was kind of cut back on reading people
9:58
comments and critique. I don't need to hear this [ __ ] right? You know, you don't do that. What's the theory?
10:03
So on Twitter, I don't I don't block anybody. Okay.
10:09
I mute them. Okay. So they can they'll be talking to a wall.
10:14
They not talking to me. Uhhuh. They not talking to me. I'd never see it. But they have to see me.
10:21
So I don't want to block you so you can't see my success. I want you to continue to see my success
10:28
and talk to me as if I'm going to actually see it. I never see hate on my Twitter wall. And
10:36
if you come on my post on Instagram, I'm deleting your comment. I don't have to I
10:43
don't have to deal with that. I'm deleting it before you even can finish typing it. It's gone. It never It
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never was here. Same thing on Facebook. I'm deleting it. I'm delete. I'm not doing I'm not dealing with any of that
10:58
because for me it's And you know my guy um my guy DJ uh he he he was telling me he was
11:05
like, "Yeah, but it you know, leaving the comments up, it adds to the algorithm, but what about my mental health, brother?"
11:11
You know what I'm saying? And so like I it's not it's not I'm not here for none of that, man. You got to go.
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You got to go. And then I'm also I'm Listen, I'm not responding. I'm not responding to you if you ain't
11:23
got a profile pick. Hello. We're not doing this no more, man. Okay. I need to see your face. If it if if Why
11:30
am I arguing with somebody? Why am I going to argue with somebody with a picture of somebody that I actually know
11:36
and it's not you? Feel stupid, huh? Yo, this yo
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yo there was this guy yo this there was this guy with Jada Kiss face on talking crazy Jaden kiss I know Jaden kiss n I'm
11:50
not responding to you man that almost happened this morning I saw somebody he cuz you I did a breakdown on
11:56
Cam. Shout out to Cam on his lyrics. Yeah. Yeah. On his lyrics style. And then this guy was like this guy is
12:02
trash. Why would you do that? He has six followers. I I typed this whole thing out. I looked at his page. He ain't got
12:08
no profile pick. I deleted it. I said, "Man, I'm out of here and I'm not dealing with you, man. Get out of here. If you don't got no profile pick, I'm
12:14
not talking to you." There it is. Mickey Facts, man. You You stand on yours. That's how That's why I'm bringing it up. Yes.
12:20
And I like what you did with Cam. Um I like what you did with Ray Daniels,
12:25
right? Yes. Shout out to Ray Daniels. That's my brother, man. Yo, Ray is a pillar in this thing, man.
12:31
He done been behind a lot of successful careers. Yes. from produ from ANR to
12:36
management, you know, big names, super big names. And so I thought it was great um to
12:42
watch you guys interact. One of the things I like about you is your subject matter, your content. You made a
12:47
conscious decision to to kind of veer away from violence. Yeah. Right. Um a while back.
12:54
Yeah. But it didn't seem like probably initially it would work, you know, because right now a lot of the What do I
13:01
want to find what are your thoughts on the conversation that we're having in hip-hop right now? Not just on speaking
13:09
platforms, but also in songs. So, I think that hip-hop has always,
13:16
somebody said this to me the other day. They was like, where who is this era's public enemy?
13:22
Mhm. And you know, and I was like, "Wow, that's a great question." Um, and I
13:30
didn't have an answer for them. And late last night, I saw this guy, uh, Cure Paranoia. Have you guys heard of that
13:37
guy? Paranoia. Let's look him up. I I think that's what his name is. I saw
13:42
that thing. And I this guy was he's just giving so much information
13:47
and he's doing it with so much uh so much style, so much technique. It's
13:53
really really good and and that was I saw that on my flight to uh LA yesterday. Um I thought that was pretty
14:00
good. But in terms of just the conversation, I just feel like there needs to be more conversation about
14:06
life. Like I feel like life has just kind of it feels like hip-hop has been more escapism than
14:12
anything, right? Like everybody just is kind of avoiding the realities of
14:18
what we are experiencing in the nation right now. It's it's it's almost kind of like we're in the matrix.
14:26
You know, people are still rapping about spending a lot of money, you know, when you know, EBT is cut off.
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I think as of what, like two days ago or something like that. I don't Heather [ __ ] I don't know.
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I don't [ __ ] want to know either. I don't I ain't even part of my [ __ ] Some states will be coming.
14:46
I thought it was the first of the month. Um some SNAP benefits is scheduled to come to an end in most states by
14:53
November the 1st. Uh some states are already cutting back saying they won't be funded by October 28th and October
14:59
29th and October 30th. So different states have different timelines and they'll be cutting back and run out of benefits. Um there might be an emergency
15:05
contingency plan that could last a couple more weeks past November the 1st, but after those two weeks, um the extension and the remaining
15:11
discretionary budget will run out. Damn, that's that's scary. So we do, you know,
15:16
shout out Chiller Jones. You heard my man Mike Muse over there. That's what we do. He just pulled up out of nowhere.
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That's what we do. You know where y'all at. Shout out to Mike Muse. Look at him.
15:28
Um but yeah, I wanted to ask you there's so many things I I'd like to ask you. Um
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uh because I love your how how your um curriculum. Yeah.
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Um I love how you teach and I think these are very necessary conversations to have. I want to ask you about AI.
15:46
Okay. Um because you were very vocal with AI, especially about Timberland that time Timberland
15:52
got caught up in the fiat the the fiasco of using someone else's beats, right? Uh but AI is something that's
15:58
inevitable. On the flip side, you got our counterpart, Lupe Fiasco, who's also a teacher. Give it up for Lupe Fiasco,
16:05
who's a professor at John Hopkins. Lupe. Yes, sir. Right. Uh um and he's using AI to teach
16:12
rhymes. Yeah. And And so what are your thoughts on AI and how we could best utilize it in rap?
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Is there a place for AI to write rhymes? I don't I don't subscribe to it being a
16:26
place to write rhymes. I think that the creativity should still come from
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the soul of the artist in my opinion, right? Uh and that's, you know, obviously I know my bro Lou has his own,
16:41
you know, vision for it. Um but, you know, I I I I personally
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just don't I I I don't want to feed AI the knowledge that we have at Pendulum,
16:53
Inc., right? There's just things that AI can't do with what we have because we
16:58
have the actual science behind some of the techni some of the techniques that we have. So, we won't be feeding AI that
17:05
stuff. So, there's things that it just won't be able to do. Now, yes, can it rhyme? Sure, it can rhyme. Can it multi?
17:11
Sure, because it's because people are feeding that. But then there's like some intricacies
17:16
to lyricism that we have specifically that we will not be feeding into. You
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know what I mean? Okay. Okay. So, do I think AI serves a space in the music industry? Yes, but
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not in writing rhymes, per se. Mickey Fax is here. Uh, give a round of
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applause. Show Rocka is here. Uh, Chiller Jones is here. These boys got bars. They got bars. Heather B.
17:40
Um, from your if when I'm talking to Professor Mickey. Yeah. And I asked Professor Mickey, from
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your point of view, which MC in the battle,
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not not in the career, right? Um, executed the best and what would be
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your reason for that MC getting the edge in the battle with Kendrick and Drake?
18:07
Okay. So, I think that, Professor Fax. Oh, yeah. I mean, I I've shared my I've
18:13
shared my opinion on this. You know, again, I had to mute both of their names because it was just too much to see on
18:19
Twitter. Okay. Um but uh uh for me, you know, I I felt like Kendrick
18:25
showcased what needed to happen to to kind of take that W. Um it was a lot of
18:30
character assassination. Um you know, technically and lyrically, he he just did a little bit more. I do
18:37
feel like that Drake went into it trying to, you know, he was antagonizing
18:44
antagonizing him, but he also wanted to kind of attempt to outwrap him. Uh, and
18:50
I think that it just didn't work out that way. Uh, in ter I when I went on Curtis King, I did say that Drake had he
18:57
he was he had a he had more multis than him. Like if we were to count him out, that was there. But from a win
19:03
standpoint, I had Kendrick win the battle. Motes. You gotta break that down for I know what a mot
19:10
yeah you know my freestyle. We know what you do. We know what you do.
19:15
Shout out to Mcoo. Tuttaloo is crazy. Uh so you know any
19:21
you know any anything with a a word that has more than one syllable is considered
19:26
a multi-elabic word. So if you match the vowels and the syllables with that then you get that as a rhyming word. So, you
19:34
know, Drake was doing that a lot and I I feel like he felt like that was going to be enough to win when, you know,
19:39
Kendrick was attacking him, you know, ferociously a little bit too much. Okay. Now, there's also a sentiment
19:45
because that battle got to be so damn dark. Yeah. Right. Like we just I tuned out after
19:52
[ __ ] man. It's start stressing me out. Uh, no, I didn't. I listen to
19:58
everything. Who am I fooling? I'm like, don't be doing that in front of me. I am hip-hop. Of course, I listen
20:04
to the battle. I just don't always interject because I'm at a different place in my career, right? And I know
20:10
what people do with your words, right? I mean, but you know, I think for for someone such as yourself, I mean,
20:15
you gave Jay and Nas their first interview together. Yes. Right. So, so you was you was there, you
20:21
know, for that when that was the biggest battle in hip-hop and then you brought them together.
20:27
These two guys will not be together. They won't be together. No, I don't think that's ever going to happen. Nah, it's what do you think
20:33
there's been a sentiment, you know, in from a lot of people in the culture, but mostly from people out of the culture
20:39
that says this is stupid. This battling thing, let's just get rid of it. Let's eradicate it. It's not good for
20:46
the community is not good for the culture. What are your thoughts on that? Nah, I mean, sometimes you got to you got to
20:53
you got to you got to spank somebody sometimes. Sometimes you got to you got to remind somebody sometimes that this
20:59
is what this is this is what happens when you cross that line and and you know I think it's as long as it doesn't
21:05
you know go into you know the streets or anything like that it's all fair you know what I mean just keep it respectful
21:12
and you know you sometimes you got to sometimes you got to remind people I mean that that's that's just the reality
21:18
of the scenario in the situation and especially just even from the space of battle rap like they they get in each
21:24
other's faces they go back back and forth. They shake it out and then they they go in their separate ways. It's hip-hop was built on that competition
21:31
aspect. And if we remove that, then it's like we are bending to the the the realm
21:36
of society in this particular era where it's like you can't say anything. And hip-hop has always been the voice of the
21:43
people in the streets. So, and this is for all of y'all, but let's start with Mickey. Yeah. So, is this era of hip-hop battling
21:50
different? Because Sway and I can attest to, I thought I'd never see KRS1 and
21:55
Shan together. I thought I'd never see Ice Cube in common together. I thought I'd never see Nas and Jay-Z together.
22:02
Like you you say we say these nevers, but then eventually five years pass, 10
22:08
years, 50 Fat Joe. All of the all of the things that we saw and then somehow someway they come together. Five years,
22:15
10 years, Farah Khan gets involved. I don't know. I'm just kind of telling you what we saw. So, do you think this era
22:21
takes it so personable that they can never get together again? I think that this specific battle is
22:29
that I think that Drake and Kendrick, they don't like each other for real. For
22:35
real. And I think that there was just lines crossed on both sides. I think
22:40
that, you know, bringing up someone's, you know, partner and then calling
22:46
someone a a pile and then doing that at the Super Bowl. I mean, I I I can't I
22:52
Okay, let's All right. All right. That's all I'll take all of that. Jay said, "I skated in your baby seat." Like, it
22:57
that's up there with one of those things though, facts. Like, we're heads. Like, we're hip-hop heads in here. Like, lyric
23:04
for lyric, bar for bar, I relish. Like I'm like, damn, there's no way I could be his friend. Like, I got to punch you
23:11
in the face when I see you. You know what I'm saying? But we watched them somehow come together. Nas
23:16
Nas did the rock salute. Like, what are we saying? Nas
23:22
is is a better man than Kendrick.
23:27
That's just Kendrick, right? Kendrick down the block. Kendrick
23:32
came up in the Compton era. You know what I'm saying? Like that's that's what I'm saying. Is this era just different?
23:37
I just think I just think with these two MC's I I just can't I can't see it. Like
23:42
he he he he did it at the Super Bowl. Like Nas did it Jay and Nas they was at Summer Jam. That was a contained space
23:50
in New York and we heard we heard rumblings of it. Right. But that but at that time the
23:57
Super Bowl wasn't even an option. You know what I'm saying? So that was the biggest thing. Yeah.
24:02
Yes. But th but this is a global stage and he's performing he's performing this
24:08
particular record as his headlining song all over the world and then everybody is
24:15
screaming that line everywhere even Drake fans. I think it's just I just think it's just and
24:21
maybe it's too fresh. Maybe it's maybe too fresh because when you look at No
24:27
one ever thought I didn't think that Jeezy and Gucci big would do a versus. I mean, okay.
24:33
Death involved in that, you know. You know, I mean, but Kendrick also did say like, you know, he saw Drake and Kanye get
24:39
together. You a bigger man than me. That That's literally what Kendrick said. He said that on his on his last. They all still very young. And I feel
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like in this era of therapy, who knows what can happen in the future. Reconciliation could be on the menu.
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And see, for us, I didn't I never saw Jay and Nas except check. But a check.
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A check brought them together. I don't know if a business deal brought them together and
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you but then Okay. Okay. And but then and I know these guys I know they want to answer but I would love to hear too.
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Yeah. But then you you got to think about Kendrick's opponent. You got to look at the art the person
25:16
on the other side. Okay. And and and the type of person that guy is.
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You know what I'm saying? And that's Drake, right? He's very he's just he's an emotional guy and he's he takes
25:27
things to heart. like he he had a he he had a great freestyle fighting Irish
25:33
but he was going at LeBron because LeBron was at right was at the was at the show. So
25:39
I don't know this is not this is not like Nas and Jay. Okay, Chilla Jones is here. Give him a big round of applause.
25:46
What up Chiller? I love this conversation. I love hip-hop.
25:52
How many battle belts you own? Belts. I own I own a few different
25:57
championships. You own a few different championship. Champion of the year. King of the dodge champion. You better talk your [ __ ] Different
26:02
things. You standing up for getting riled up. You want to battle
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few different things. I felt like I got the the title or something, right? Few different things. Few different things.
26:14
You battled Charlie Cliff before, right? Twice. Twice. Right. What was the What was the outcome of
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that? Unless you got Charlotte. Oh, wow. Charlotte. The point I'm making though,
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the people that you battled, are you still cool with? 100%. Every single one. Okay. Every single one. I think I think the
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battle rap culture is a little different. You know what I mean? Because
26:38
we we're literally contracted for a job, right? And so the the way we look at it,
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the way we approach it, like if if I get contracted and paid a good
26:50
amount of money, Mhm. listen, I I'll give you a I'll give you a 10-minute window to say whatever you
26:55
got to get off your chest and then go get my money after. You know what I'm saying? Cool.
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Um there there are battlers who may cross the line. There are battlers who may say things that are
27:08
triggering. They may talk about your, you know, loved ones, people who have passed and things like that. And there's
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still real life consequences for that in most cases. But for me and
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what I've gone through and my experience in the past 14 years that I've been, you know, a name in this battle culture,
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um, I don't I don't feel like I have any enemies. I don't I don't have anybody who I've crossed the line and have
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have upset them and and nobody's really gone to that extent with me. I think the
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um I think the difference comparatively with like Kendrick and Drake and Jay and
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Nas for for me it's one thing. It's social media.
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That's it. Right. like you're and instead of with Jay and Nas
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it was like you'll hear it in the barber shop. That's true. You'll hear it, you know, in in in
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certain spaces privately. Right. We'll we'll have this discussion in private
28:10
and Jay or Nas won't be they won't be privy to it. Right
28:16
now we're we're in an age where everything is on Front Street. Everything is publicized. So, not only
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is is is is Drake having to deal with these, you know, certain things and Kendrick as
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well, but now he's getting 15,422
28:32
notifications on every social media platform. Yeah. Right in his face. So, imagine how that
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affects you if you have an ego. Uhhuh. Imagine how that affects you if you're sensitive, right? Um, I I think that
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that just it's just a different ballgame with the way social media is and how that's changed the landscape of hip-hop.
28:51
So, I I think that's the biggest difference between Jay and Oz and Kendrick and Drake. It's just the era that we're in. We're
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in the social we're in the social media era where everything's going to get thrown in your face a million times. You're going to
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have to see it when you pick up your phone, when you log into your socials, when you when you go to the shade room,
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TMC everywhere, you know, little free store. It's it's just a different climate that
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we're in. And I think that makes it so much worse to be able to like forgive somebody or
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find any type of peace or or you know what I'm saying after something like that. It went into the machine. So it's never
29:25
Yeah. It's never going to work. Yeah. It's it's just different. I like this conversation. I love it.
29:30
Where you from? Boston. Yes, sir. Boston. Yes, sir. Boston M going to race. Mr. Boss. Who's the illst MC to ever
29:36
come out of Boston prior to you? I'm glad you said priority. Um, n shout out shout out to, you know,
29:42
Eto G obviously, you know, Edg, you know, one of the forefathers. Shout
29:47
out to Mantra, Champagne Gang. Um, Guru, I believe from Guru. Yep. Shout
29:53
out to Guru. Rest in peace. What terminology from? He's from Lawrence, just outside of Boston. Definitely one of the most
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prolific from Mass for sure. Shout out Static Select as well. Okay, put on um current day. Shout out
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Millies. Shout out Beia, Joiner, Lucas, Cousin Sts, Token.
30:11
Um, you know, the the Massachusetts scene right now is is is definitely on
30:16
the way up. Um, everybody's been cooking and putting in work, man. So, I'm I'm proud of all my my peers.
30:21
Joiner Lucas. Salute to that kid, man. Yeah, you're right. You name it. So, I'm I'm glad you counting that out. Shaka,
30:28
what's going on? What up, man? Pay the rappers, man. Pay the [ __ ] rappers, bro.
30:33
I like that. You like that? Thank you. No, no problem, man. Now, where are you from? I'm from New Haven, Connecticut.
30:39
New Haven. Wow. Money craving New Haven. Money craving New Haven. What was your entry to the game?
30:45
Um, I've been rapping since I was a little kid, man. Since Salt and Peppers Push It, my mama gave me a tape and ever
30:52
since then, like I knew I just wanted to rap. Okay. And um and did you um anticipate
30:58
ever becoming What is your title with Pendulum? You you're the the I'm a professor professor of rap tech
31:04
advanced rap techniques. I teach the you know the big dogs. The hell me and chill coach
31:10
gave you the right Chill did. Chill and Mick.
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Yeah. Chill. Okay, cool. What's the difference between teaching technique and advanced techniques?
31:23
Well, when you teach advanced techniques, you do the stuff that you see people doing on your freestyles on
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your radio show. um not just okay you can do a multi-elabic rhyme you can
31:33
rhyme you know this word with that word no this is different this is where you start to mix your complex flow patterns
31:40
where you do things like a reverse punchline you rhyme backwards and all the things that kind of give you that
31:46
wow factor that when you see somebody on on a freestyle platform you say yo son is nice
31:52
that and and you teach that we teach him how to do it [ __ ] you teach that like I'm like you
31:58
you can't teach them what to say. We can't teach them what to say. We can't give them the lived experience,
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but we could give them the textbook. And once you have the fundamental skills,
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then you know, you got to add the sauce on it yourself. This I love this, man. [ __ ] I wish we had more time, too. I I want to sit and
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talk with y'all. This is great. Great. Tracy, jump in. I know you got a question. Yeah. No, absolutely. What I appreciate
32:22
about all three three of you, um, you're all preserving depth in a very surface
32:28
level era that we're in, you know, and especially since you guys are all teaching. I'm just wondering, you know,
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short form content dominates our attention spans, right? And cuts our
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attention spans in the classroom. Like, how are you unlearning that with the
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students? I'm sure you're seeing how it impacts their capacity to just sit still
32:53
and pay attention. I would love to know it from inside the classroom. And also, super super extra shout out to you,
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Mickey, because the fact that you were once enrolled as a student at NYU and now you are hired as faculty is just the
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craziest full circle Mickey moment that she just got a highlight.
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And plus, we got a great we got a great friend in common, too. our girl Alex Wolf, tech philosopher. So, I have to
33:19
shout her out, too. But, but yeah, talk about the un the unlearning.
33:25
All right, let me just pull my chain out. Hold on. Let's go. That's your purple diamonds. That's my chain. That's
33:32
not my It's my chain. That's my piece. You see my piece? Oh, look. Nikki faculty. That chain fac.
33:43
Oh, wow. Um, and it was a three-hour class and they loved every single minute. And
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then after class, they was like, "Okay, let's talk about office hours. We want to continue this conversation." And I
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think a lot of it is hip-hop is not as mundane
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as the academic space can be. you know, when it's being taught by, you know,
34:06
older people that do not have their pulse on what the younger people and generation want, it could kind of come
34:13
across as, okay, enough is enough. You know, what we try to do is we try to
34:20
meet our students where they are and and and let them know that they're not alone in this space, right? They might feel
34:26
scared. They might feel like there's a language barrier, but we do our best to connect with everybody in that space.
34:32
And it's a safe space for us, right? And I I do my I do my due diligence to let
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them know that, hey, yeah, even though I do this and I do this and I know that person and I know that person, I know
34:43
you and you matter in this moment right now. And let's utilize this time to show that
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you matter. And once they see that, it's the floodgates is open and they can stay there for eight hours if I ask them to.
34:58
You know what I mean? Locked in. This is what I want to do, man. We've been talking a lot. First of all, congratulations to Mickey Fact. You got
35:04
the new album, One Above All, right? That's dropping November 7th. November the 7th.
35:10
Pre-order that. Do you feel pressure? You guys are like teaching people how to be extraordinary
35:16
artists and now you put out your art and everybody going to be critiquing it, right? You know, I mean, that's that's what
35:21
it's that's what it's meant to to be. It's meant to be critiqued. Art is meant to be critiqued. So, you know, somebody
35:27
doesn't like something that I'm doing, I mean, that's their opinion. You can't please everybody. Even Jesus had haters.
35:35
[Laughter] I was going to throw the song. I'm a He had a hater at the table with him.
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He had a hater at the table with him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You can't duck a hater.
35:46
Do we overuck the word genius? I feel like in recent years, I've just seen genius thrown out in so many different
35:53
ways. And for folks that I wouldn't personally, you know, give that title
35:58
to. But I also understand that the term genius, the compliment genius, can be subjective. But I wonder if you see it
36:05
as that or is there a standard that we should all collectively uphold before we
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call someone a genius? I mean, I think that um you know, in this particular era that
36:18
we're in, words are diluted a lot. You know, people get called geniuses, people
36:24
get called legends, MC's. Oh. Woo. Talk to him.
36:30
Well, y'all adding on the list. I'm at the grocery store, too. People get called people get called
36:36
goats, you know, like legend, you know. So, like, you know, I just think I just think
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DJs Oh, she's cooking tonight. All right. I love I love so much, man.
36:50
She need to be a keynote speaker. I'm here. I'm here. Oh my goodness. Whenever you're ready.
36:55
Whenever you're ready. Whenever you're ready, he look up on us. But so you agree with Trey? You think
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Yeah, I I I agree. I agree. I mean, genius to me, genius is Steve Jobs.
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Okay. That's genius, right? He changed an entire culture. He changed an entire generation. That's
37:12
genius. Michael Jackson, that's genius. You know, Kanye, even as wild as he may be, that's genius to me. You know what
37:19
I'm saying? Um Einstein, like that's genius to me. When somebody, you know,
37:24
does something that is cool and it looks great and he is done one time and then
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calling him a genius. No, that's luck or that's just a hit record, right? That's just Mike Mu, you want to
37:36
jump in? Yeah, I do. Actually, I just have a question about the teaching and the structures in particular and your
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students are going to be like future MC's. How do you guys think how do you guys instruct them about song structure
37:48
and what to draw upon? Um, and the reason why I say that we have a lot of freestyles come up here and and you can tell the difference from those who are
37:54
very well-versed, well read, have seen some things, um, versus those that has
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maybe a limited POV if you guys talk about that at all.
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So, that's the class that I teach, right? What's it called? It's a it's called advanced rhythm and
38:10
style and that is the senior class, right? So
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after they done with Chiller Jones and Show Rocker, right, and in that class,
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they prepare you for this arena. Okay? When they come to my class, I tell them
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specifically, everything you learn there, throw that [ __ ] out the window. You come in here to create a vibe.
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You're coming here to create an aura. You're coming here to unlearn what you
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learned for song structure. It's about the content. It's about the feeling of what you are putting together, right?
38:48
And then on top of that, they've already been at the school for two years, our school, Pendulum Inc. for two years,
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maybe three. So, they've been in classes with Jeff, right, at Rhymeology. They've been in that group therapy session where
39:00
they're breaking down and talking about different emotions, whether it may be grief or loss or depression or fighting
39:08
suicide or these things. And that's like a a mandatory class for them. So now when they come to me, I tell them,
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listen, we have to now dumb down everything. We have to create hypnosis,
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right? Music is hypnosis. You have to put hooks in your verses. You have to put hooks in your choruses. You have to
39:28
create melody. You have to have chorus crafting. All of these different things to sustain a space. And then when
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they're done with us, we take them to Pendulum Sync with our other other professor, Professor Dean Kano, who
39:41
places 300 songs in the sync licensing space. So now we hire him. So he doesn't have
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to place 300 songs. He'll place 200 and then the other 100 will go to our students because now after coming to me,
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they go to him and he's going to ensure that the songs feel more ready and
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palatable for society. Damn, Professor Fax.
40:08
I like that, man. This is what we're going to do. Uh, we got Chiller Jones in the building. We got Show Rocker in the
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building. We got Mickey Fax in the building. You know what's next. We going to come back and everything
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they just talked to you about, they about to demonstrate it. All right, that's coming up next. Shave four or
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five. I'm I'm just adding to the list, Mike. It's just like a journalist.
40:34
influencer. I don't like that either. Any other ones before we get Well, yeah, we something before they
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start spinning. We'll get to the boss. Hey, horse. Where horse go? Who knows?
40:46
He's right there. I need horse in here. Horse. Horse should be teaching that pendulum. He's written hit records before. He's an for
40:53
projects. He's That's horse. Braveheart horse. Yeah, that's horse. What up, horse? Done. Ye. What's good?
40:59
I'm just saying, man. Mickey wants you to come teach one day. Wow. You just You have Is that That's the horse from
41:05
Uchi Walle. Yeah. Oh, he must be. I heard he husky. Yeah.
41:11
But I want Horse. Whenever we do these, I like Horse to kind of oversee it, you know, to give his feedback and the whole
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nine so you know who you rocking with. And you know, it's good to have everybody here. Jeff is good friend with
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my partner at King Tech. And Jeff post stuff for that on behalf of us. He got a this or that album. That album in gold.
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you know, and uh with me, Keem Tech, and DJ Revolution, the whole concept of this or that was back then 99, we were like,
41:38
you could go with this, you know, which is hip-hop, you know, rooted in hip-hop or you go with that,
41:43
which is rooted in industry, right? You know, and so that's when we were on our, you know, when we was marching back
41:48
then. I don't be marching right now, but uh Have y'all ever been to LA?
41:54
Yeah. Chile been rock. Yeah. Are you familiar with the area? No. You know, you know where you are.
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I know I'm in LA. No, that's not No, that's not where you are. No. Chiller Jones, you know where
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you are. I'm at Sway. That's all that matter right now. Close. You almost there, man. I know where I'm at.
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Where you at, Mickey faction? I'm in the land of the hyena. The Valley of the Hyenas.
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You know exactly where you at. You done explored this valley many of times.
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Yeah, I smelt it. I smelt it as soon as I walked in. I said, "Ah, feels good to be home. It's good to be home.
42:30
We expanded the home now. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You know, and this is what we going to do. You about to get thoroughly
42:36
entertained. Some of the best freestyles that have ever happened on this show have been pinned by this man. Some of
42:42
the most legendary, we have cult followings because of his verses. I be having kids come up to me. I'm
42:49
like, "What are you talking about?" You know, and then talk about Mickey's verse. And I'm like, "Oh, snap." Yeah. So, let's get thoroughly entertained.
42:55
They ain't These dudes ain't got nothing to prove. They hold belts. They've been in this for a long time. They got experience. This is an ex This is an
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exhibition for your enjoyment. Welcome to the Valley of Hyenas. Turn that beat up, John. Drop that beat on.
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Yeah. Yeah. What's up, y'all? It's Mickey.
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Yeah. It feels good to be back here. Good to have you, Nick. Yeah.
43:23
I'm in the building. Look, look. Rest in peace to a side of Shakur.
43:30
If she told me one thing is that we got to endor. Sway news since 08. When I got in the door, I'm the guy people got to
43:36
endor. Still the best with views. Pendulum school extra cool. I tweet my opinion. [ __ ] hit the net is news.
43:42
Haters is mad. I got influential views. Rappers walk me through their bars to get met with views. Top floor Trump
43:48
Tower, presidential views. Watch raw, sundial, presidential hues. I don't make drill music. I just blessed the tune. So
43:55
if I got a drill music through your head, you're screwed. I ain't lax. I'm in LAX. Drew and D used to fly out of
44:01
JFK, but they blew his dreams in Atlanta. My heart's filled with cruel themes. Chiller flying out of Logan so
44:06
much. He's Wolverine. Y lion, sparks flying. Would you believe that I got the mutant gene and you know it supersedes
44:12
you and me. I was talking yesterday through the pendulum. Look what I said to sway. I love Cardi and respect the
44:18
Jay, but you an imaginary player like drop dead Fred. Okay. Rocking newer Marys and scooping fairies. Know what I
44:25
do to bellies. What I do on a daily is super scary. Dropped out of NYU to teach there. I'm pulling strings like
44:31
ukuleles. Prepared for anything. I'm super ready. Chasing with two machetes on Neo in the matrix. Agent shooting
44:38
semis. Patience moving petty. Damn near gay to kill the parade and through confetti. They asked me for a band. Damn
44:44
it. They should have sibling and sexy. Still a symbol for sexy. Push keys competition for Pepsi. Huh? That's Coke.
44:51
Give Mickey and then you feeling me desy while shorty filling my trumpet like Dizzy Gillespie. Look what her cheeks
44:58
do. Child prodigy. Look at my jean pool from my footage in preschool. Bullets in people. Words of weapons. I put bullets
45:05
in people. Stop doing push-ups. I'm not looking as diesel. 225 on the bench. Pull-ups and keeles like I'm putting a
45:11
needle with steroids. Oh yeah boy. Shouldn't be legal. Holy flow. My picture should be putting cathedrals.
45:17
Trying to be Christlike every day with it. The way he died on the cross. I'll get the hang of it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
45:23
The favorite. I copy my writing style. So you know they plagiarist. If I rematch somebody dangerous [ __ ] Taking
45:30
two wells. Not even with angling. A big fan of big L. He on my greatest list. Big fan of LL. He almost made me quit.
45:37
The last time I was with my dude Sway I was Robert Danny Jr. on the set of Doomsday. Heather V. If I put my Glock
45:43
down on Tuesdays I'mma rob a bank and give Tracy G's. Hooray.
45:51
That's what he faculty faculty.
45:57
I would take that [ __ ] Don't be a spirit of Tracy. Don't be a Cody.
46:05
Don't be a Cody. Hip hop is alive. It's alive.
46:10
That was fun. Hip hop is alive. Appreciate that. Hip hop is alive. manifested in the one
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and only Mickey Facts. Hello. Yes. Yes. Yes. Rap game ain't dead, Heather Bean. No, it ain't.
46:22
Bars count. They count. Like Gina Bu say, "Make these [ __ ] rap."
46:30
Yeah. Yeah. Yo, I'm happy. [ __ ] man.
46:36
Man, I'm happy, man. Thank you, Mickey. That was great. I can't wait to listen to that back. Mickey Facts.
46:41
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I was Robert Downey Jr. on the set of Dreams Day. They'll get that later. They'll get
46:47
They'll get that later. They'll get that They'll get that later. They'll get that later. Don't worry about it. They'll get it later.
46:53
They going to catch it. Come on. They'll get it later. They'll get it later.
46:59
Max, we got Shrock next. Oh, okay. You said Chiller. So, I'm looking at Oh, yeah. I looked at Chiller. He looked at you
47:05
like, "Why you looking at me?" Yeah. We got Rocka. We going to put you on that same beat.
47:10
Sh rock. New Haven, Connecticut. New Haven, Connecticut. to New Haven, Connecticut. New Haven, Connecticut.
47:16
Okay. All right. New Haven, Connecticut. Y'all still got it. We got it. We got this.
47:21
Why should we pay the rapper John? Drop a beat on him. Levels good for you. Up, brother.
47:28
Levels is good. All right. I said, "Hey yo,
47:35
when it comes to these ciphers, I'm a sant that everybody hate.
47:40
I'm so mature. Patiently watch. I got them on their knees fast. Guess they make us a lot changing the plot like
47:45
grave robbers and same comma say they want the smoke but it's fake and [ __ ] I hate drama evade drama with a proper
47:51
team. Y'all just seen the wave I was on. I got sick. That's what the drama mean. My mama dreamed I'd be successful upon
47:56
arrival. Your mama dreamed a baby daddy ain't coming. I got a jazzy little thing. She let me touch a bottom. Fresh
48:02
prints on her butt cheeks. I just summer timed up having way too much fun with it. So come get it. Kang Griffy senior.
48:08
My son hit it. I'm done with it. Ray J Kim K shorty one wishes to make a sex tape. Maybe save a son's Christmas. I
48:14
told her you bug tripping. You better tell that little [ __ ] you Jehovah witness and y'all don't indulge gifted.
48:19
[ __ ] I'm that cold. I know you love it but it hurts that you can't see me in public. [ __ ] ab soul a black hippie. I
48:25
preach peace but my brass tones got these [ __ ] thinking I'm an [ __ ] Is that so? Brown skin talking loud. Yeah
48:31
that tone hail stone in the glass roof. I crack domes like the Liberty Bell. Don't kiss it and tell. Good lord I
48:37
finesse. Go ahead, sit with this L and see the bigger picture. I'm raising cane. I'm a chicken stripper. Life
48:42
short. Learn that from a [ __ ] stripper. Enter the era of short tempers and tall tails. When [ __ ] scared to do
48:47
time inside a tall tail say there, but they all sell. Ain't that much that she going to do for love? Bobby Cwell. I'm
48:54
all George Orwell at your doorbell. Animals will pop you for cheap like Corbell. Get you slash like Cordell.
49:00
Steward of the land. I'm the man entertainer while you all fail quite miserably. A tight infantry proving you
49:06
going to get the sweet chin music. I'm in tune with the right symphony. So you going to get your bell rung or kicks
49:11
pushed off the roof like a Jezebel tongue rock. New Haven stand up. New Haven stand up.
49:20
Wow. Wow. We got some hyenas up in here,
49:26
man. Wow. We came to rap. Swe. We came to rap. We got chill. We got chilling next, man.
49:32
You know, we going to close this thing out. Chill. Chiller got a lot to say, man.
49:37
Chilla got a lot to say. We going We going to let Chilla close this up. Rock.
49:43
What the [ __ ] Yo, and it's so crazy. Thank you. I will come back.
49:49
Tracy got to acknowledge Haiti. Go ahead, Trace. Thank you, Billy.
49:54
I appreciate you. No, Rocka. It's it's insane the timing of that bar about Tucson because we literally had like a
50:00
spontaneous Haitian appreciation day for like more than half of the show. So,
50:06
it's crazy. And for those who do not know, yes, Billy talk, I got I got to pull in with just a little extra. The
50:12
Tucant that Rockco was referencing as Tusant Lvu, who was the formerly
50:17
enslaved man turned revolutionary who led Haiti to his freedom against France.
50:23
Boom. Talk talk your What year was that, Tracy? I was so worried they wasn't gonna catch
50:29
that bar. There you go. We had a whole celebration of Haiti this morning. We playing Haitian music all crazy.
50:36
We dissected Zo. What is Zo standing? All the whole Z. You Haitian?
50:42
No, I'm not Haitian. And he's still showing love. Still showing love. I thought he look
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tones, boy. That dude ain't said [ __ ] since y'all started rapping. He just I just saw I'm just I'm just glad to be here, man.
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Enjoying the, you know, enjoying watching my brother's work, man. I hope y'all enjoying this time. This is what we've been doing for years,
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man. It's like you come up in here, it's different, man. This ain't no radio show, bro. This is different. This is
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something gathering time. And don't think we don't know who we are.
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You know what I mean? This ain't this ain't about that logo, you know? This is about this and who we
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are in the culture and in the community and have been for decades. And we still
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get excited when exceptional artists come up here like Mickey Fax and Show Rocker and do what y'all just did today.
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And after you spit this verse, y'all made me think of something that's been circulating. I'm going to ask a question. But now I'm champion. I'm
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championing this right here. Chiller Jones. I've seen his battles. You about to be entertained. Ladies and gentlemen,
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John, drop that beat on him. Oh, that's Oh, wow.
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Oh, no. All right. All right. Yo. Yo.
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72. TBL. In the morning. 2 in the morning. Let's
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go. And the beat right here. Hey, trying to cipher with me. It's like
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being at the lake with your friends. Hearing the jaw steam music start to play again. Looking at the waves, seeing
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something great that might favor a fin. And then thinking that it's safe for a swim. I'm him. Operation palm tree in a
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calm breeze. In other words, wait for the wind. Huh? I shouldn't have to say it again. I'm the best by a long shot.
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I'm feeling like playing a gym. Man, them writers is in danger. How they cocky with the skill chiller body in it.
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Still was the cryogenic chamber. My mind is getting stranger. I got a brain disorder. Fair warning for everyone
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who's a sway supporter. To the haters, this pain and torture. These rappers ain't coming close like we filed a
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restraining order. I'm sort of mad. Let me explain. This new move producers is doing is just lame. Like how they turn
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the AI out of nowhere. It's feeling like a 2K wreck game. I mean, I respect change, but for me, it's partly a
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detriment. Artificial intelligence going to start to be prevalent. Record labels trying to get cataloged for these
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digital avatars to be relevant. No more artist development. Tibble, I love you, but you part of the president. And I
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know your heart is benevolent, but can you imagine hearing a song thinking soon rob me? Is that a pendulum beat? Nah, I
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sue no problem. Puls no probably. And when that happens, I hope you don't sue nobody. Hey, how we
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go from smack DVD to hyping stars writing bars on chat GPT man. Enough of these fake leaders. No offense, but this
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where we need the gatekeeper. Shout out to St. Peter. The OG's being quiet got my faith weaker cuz I remember when
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pioneers was great speakers. The day I don't say how I feel, you'll hear a new Kendrick single with Drake feature. Then
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I can make a star boat like a bape sneaker. You couldn't get rid of chill with a space heater. I'm representing a
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takeover with straight ether. Yeah. Push my pin to the brink. Go and sign up at Pendulum Inc. Somebody in
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here go send them the link. What the [ __ ] just happened like man?
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We got lions up in here. Hey man, they killed Diana.
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Chiller Jones. Chiller Jones. Let's go. I remember when pioneers were great
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speakers. I remember that. Remember that, right? Oh my god. I remember that. So he, you know, he answered he answered question
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everything. That's why he didn't say nothing. That's why you know, we going to Hey yo, stand up, man.
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Write is right. Can y'all give him a stand up right? Come on, man. Pendulum. Say it twice.
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Pendulum. Pendulum. Pendulum. Pendulum. Twice is nice. Give it up for Show Rocking. Give it up for Show Rock.
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Give it up for Chiller Jones. Jones. Give it up for Jeff.
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Give it up for Rob. And give it up for the legendary the
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legendary Mickey Facts. Ladies and gentlemen,
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try you stand up better. Yes. Before we cut out, I just saw
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something really cool. And watching y'all do this, I think I think there's
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something that has to happen. I saw Most Death said he'll go in the middle of a football field with Black Thought. Who
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do you say him? Black Thought. That was that was 10 years ago. That was
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That was 10 That was 10. That was 10 years ago. Oh, I thought that was recent. Yeah, cuz you know cuz King Los King Los
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reposted it. Shout out to King. That was 10 years ago. Okay. So, yeah, that was 10 years ago.
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Your algorithm update your phone, bro. All right. Never mind.
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Don't call yourself a radio host neither. No. No.
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[Music] Add it to the list, [ __ ] Oh, I love that.
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I love Can you let the guest talk, Heather? Thank you. Yeah,
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we need you at the school. I was just thinking about that. King Los, he he reposted it. Oh, okay. And uh he, you know, he was reposting it
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cuz cuz uh Most Deaf had mentioned him and Black thought that they would face anybody.
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But, you know, the the very next day, Lupe called me and was like, "What do
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you want to do?" I love And I said, I said, "Listen, I'm with
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it." He was like, "All right, call Daylight and we going to issue." My god. We're going to issue the challenge.
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So So Lupe went out and issued the challenge and then like a week later most deaf
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retracted. What? A week later, most deaf. What do you mean retracted?
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So he retracted because he said that that was a private conversation that he had after a show that one of his friends
56:49
had taped and then he told the person not to put it online, but the person still put it online. Okay. and then it
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gained traction and he was like, "Yo, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to do that." You know what I'm saying? So,
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um, but you know, you know, Lupe, you know, you know, Lupe, one of my favorite people in Lupe,
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y'all know this lately when cuz you know, Lupe been on the weights and stuff, you know, and he shows you his his techniques and his whenever I see
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him, he kind of bullies me a little now. He pulls you. Y'all don't get that. I haven't seen him. I haven't seen him
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in a while. He throw Hey, what up, Sway? He always throws a little punch or something. That's like my little brother. But I
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noticed that. Yeah. I mean, you know. Yeah. But you know, you know, he you know, just that just lets you know that you know.
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Oh, it's love the the it's love. And whenever it's an issue that he he's
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ready and I get the call right after, you know, that's another that's another topic for
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another day. That's another day. But we got to have y'all back. And and I I want to officially say on the air anytime I get
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that next invite um I want to be a part of Pendulum and come up and speak speak to the uh to the students of all
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right and I I think Heather will come with me. Oh yeah, that would be you saw her face.
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We need that. We need that. We need that. We need Heather. You can speak with me directly. Don't call yourself a manager or agent either.
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[ __ ] out of here. I ain't paying 10% to everybody. the [ __ ] out of here.
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Beat it. All right, man. Let's give it up for the crew right here. Pendulum is in the building, man. Great job, man. Uh
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Mickey, you got your new album coming November 7th. November 7th, man. Uh one above all,
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sign up for Pendulum, Mink. Shout out to my NYU students. I think we're going to have Jada Kiss pull up to the school
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next year. That's amazing. Shout out to Jada, man. So, yeah. I mean, you know, we we we're still trucking. We still keeping it
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going. And uh you know, just sign up, man. Even if you even if you scared or you you feel like you're super nice,
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there's always, you know, ways to improve and get better. And if you've never raped before, we can get you to be
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nice. You know what I'm saying? So once again, they can sign up where? Pendulumink.com, send us a DM, go to the website, fill
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out an application, meet with us. We'll go get on Zoom with you and we'll walk you through the whole process. Great job, man. You guys are excellent
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conversationalist, too. I appreciate that. Absolutely. Thank you, man. Thank you for getting up, making the track,
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Mickey. Damn. Woo boy. These they got me excited for the weekend. Come on, man.
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Boss, we got we going to do some more, man. You got to leave every Friday like that. They do their job, man.
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That's right. Yeah. Sometimes don't call yourself an MC. That's a fact. All right. Right. Heather, you want to add that? I started it. That's how I started, son.
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Okay. My bad.
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