Chris Webber Gets Real: Mental Health, Music & More Unveiled 🚀 | SWAY'S UNIVERSE

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Look at that round of applause going
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towards for this one.
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Yeah.
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This is big right here, man. This is
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humongous. This is gigantic. This is
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colossal. This is the bohemian.
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This is the woolly mammoth.
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Trust me
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I tell you this.
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First off, we got a new segment that we
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do have to be.
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Yes, mental health Mondays with David
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Webber.
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David Webber, David Webber is
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a licensed mental health therapist and
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just so happens to be the brother of
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someone who we not only did we
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appreciate what he was doing on the
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court, but then we found out he was a
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hip-hop head.
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Oh my god.
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became like
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a super friend to us as well.
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He put out his own album. People don't
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even realize that.
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Yeah.
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Crazy.
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I know I did.
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I remember when it came out. We was
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like, who could rap better, him or Kobe?
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Five-time All-Star player.
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Yeah.
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Five-time All-NBA. 2001 first team.
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1999-2002-2003
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second team. 2013
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NBA Rookie of the Year 1994.
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NBA All-Rookie first team. 1991 National
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High School Player of the Year. NBA
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rebounding champion 99-2021.
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This man was inducted into the
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Basketball Hall of Fame. I want to
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welcome him back to the show. Ladies and
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gentlemen, this is a stand-up
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individual, well-balanced, intelligent,
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renaissance man. He does not being
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defined simply by his basketball play,
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but the other attributes that he has
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contributed to this society. I love this
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man. I want to welcome Chris Webber BACK
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TO THE SHOW.
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CITIZEN.
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WHAT'S UP?
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WE LOVE YOU, TOO, FAMILY.
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Love you, too.
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You know what I first noticed what is
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crazy is the brother dynamic between
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Chris and David.
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What do you mean?
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Who's the oldest? Chris, huh?
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Yeah.
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I can tell cuz David ain't said [ __ ]
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since he's been on the show.
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AND IT'S HIS SEGMENT.
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DAVID IS THE YOUNGEST OUT of four.
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That's what really happened.
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Wow, out of four?
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Yeah, well, the youngest out He's the
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the youngest boy out of four. My sister
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Rachel is the boss. She's the youngest.
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She's the youngest, but I'm the baby.
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You're the baby.
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And happy belated birthday. His birthday
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was yesterday.
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Yeah, that's right, man. This is it,
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huh?
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Appreciate it, yeah.
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Absolutely. This is interesting cuz
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Chris wanted to before we get into the
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book. By the way, this is an amazing
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book for what I've been able to scour
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through since you handed me the book.
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It's just
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everything from um your grandmother
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being a a granddaughter of a enslaved
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person, right? Um your father was a
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sharecropper.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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as young as we are like uh
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You want me to Yeah?
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Yeah, just go, man. I'll come back to
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David. He's here all the time.
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This was crazy and um David and I, you
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know, talk about it, but uh me being the
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oldest, you know, you get different
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parts of your parents' lives, you know?
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Yeah.
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One of the things by God's grace and I
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just think that's just the wonderful
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current when we're down, when we need
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help, when we need a word, the angel
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God's God puts in our lives, you know,
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just to get through the next step so
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that you can get on. So, in looking back
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and going home and researching
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everything, I went back to Tunica,
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Mississippi. Now, I knew my father was a
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sharecropper and growing up, but the
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stories and to go back to the plantation
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he was from to see a field full of
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cotton.
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That's crazy for me to actually pick
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cotton was crazy.
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It was something I thought I was better
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than, but then I wanted to see what it
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felt like. I talked to my 90- 8-year-old
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great aunt. And she This is true story.
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She said she had a baby on a Friday and
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had to pick a hundred pounds of cotton
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on a Monday.
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Now, this and she probably weighed 120
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pounds. But, this is not a story just
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for me. It's the story of of everybody's
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ancestors and everything like that. And
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so,
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the thing I learned cuz I always wanted
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to know where did I get this attitude
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from, where did I get the strength from,
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where did I get this? And it's from God,
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but it's also knowing what your parents
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and your family went through. And so,
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for me in the book, I talk about where I
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understand who I was on the court. I
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just want you to understand what I was
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being fed at home. And hopefully that
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you'll see my perspective.
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I get that. I get that. As a
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sharecropper, there's rules to
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sharecropping. Like you you you going to
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sharecrop that land, but you can't own
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it.
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No.
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You you you you uh you can't see the
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books.
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No, they tell you it's going to be
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better next year. You know what I mean?
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We're going to make more money next
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year. Just keep working hard.
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Right. Uh what are the other other
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rules? He couldn't He couldn't own land.
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He couldn't
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So, my father So, we went back and put a
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headstone on
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my grandmother's grave because uh my
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father uh when he was 12 years old, his
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mother passed away. And so, he had to
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watch five kids, believe it or not, for
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3 years after that at the age of 12. Age
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of 12 to 15. Like he had to put, you
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know, kill the monsters under the bed,
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feed them, do all of that stuff. And so,
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um being on that property was was crazy,
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but he was telling me that
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the sharecropper paid for the funeral.
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You don't know how much it is, but you
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always paying them back.
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Do you Do you know what I mean? Because
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they're like the bank. Where Where else
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do you get that reserve? So, those are
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one of the rules on there. You get sick.
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You know, there's no store. You know
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what I mean? So, the owner of the
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property gives it to you in whatever
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price. You have to pay back and you
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know, you just may not know the books.
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But that was That was then. And for him
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not to be bitter, for him to have
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friends of all generations and races,
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you know what I mean? But it's it's it's
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sad, but it's a blessing in that his
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prayer was to have children and to move
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it forward. You know what I mean? So,
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him working at the auto factory for 30
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years, him, you know, having five kids
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and things like that, you know? So, to
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me, it was it's a it's it starts off
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really heavy. And hopefully at the end,
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you think like man I hope his ancestors
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are proud.
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They are because I'm proud of you. Geez
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my God grandma Bill Willie what was her
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name?
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Yeah Bill they called her name Bill.
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Bill but grandma Willie.
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Yeah yeah.
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She was the granddaughter of a slave
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enslaved person.
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Yeah
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Did you meet her? Did you get to
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communicate with her?
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No.
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Okay.
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No I got to communicate with her sister
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the one I was telling you about that
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we speak so no I never got to
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communicate She grandma Willie she died
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when my father was 12 so no I
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never got but I got to meet so many
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older people in our family especially in
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the 80s going back there and
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having family reunions and dance parties
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and things like that so I I was always
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fed like you know what I mean people
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give me the the the love the women in
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our family tucking me in their folds and
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you know baby you going to be good and
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come over you know what I mean and so
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that love even all the way up to the fab
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even in in Michigan and the pros like
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you take that with you we are who our
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people are you know what I mean good or
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bad
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you know what I mean and being able to
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understand that and going home and and
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really understanding of my father's life
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because when I played basketball I had
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blinders on so if people said something
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or if I'm focused you know I didn't even
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call home like I should cuz I'm like I
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got a game and if if if I'm not focused
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on this none of this all matters but at
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the same time I'm losing
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touch with people and I'm losing kind of
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um
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relationship
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Yeah yeah so as soon as I retired I was
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able to really go back and focus and
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look for myself find the truth have some
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fun and kind of just honor um
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honor the people that God put in my
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life.
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There you go man Chris Webber this is
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amazing right here man. Now we know
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where he got that attitude on the court
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from.
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Y'all wasn't going to be able to tell
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them [ __ ]
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His father WAS A SHARECROPPER.
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HIS GRANDMOTHER WAS THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF
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SLAVES.
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WOW.
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What's the WHAT'S WHAT'S THE FOUL CALL
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TO CHRIS WEBBER?
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OVERTIME.
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I HAD TO REMIND MYSELF.
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I had to remind myself of that and like
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Heather, our family, you know, it's a
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family of faith and so talk about, you
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know, us going to church and all that
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and and being, you know, that kid, but
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even making it out of Detroit, you know
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what I mean? Like or making it through
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Detroit, not out of Detroit, but, you
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know, kind of knowing that it's you
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against the world. Kind of understand
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what it is and you saw how our community
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changed like in the '80s. Not many
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people remember like
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Not many people remember the the hood
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changing.
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Mhm.
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You know what I mean?
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The transition.
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The transition and so being a part of
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that and
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friends that didn't make it that were
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murdered before my first basketball
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game, you know what I mean? Just by the
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grace of God, I'm here, man. So, it's
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really a celebration and a reflection.
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It's a celebration. I just want people
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to know the makeup of Chris Webber and
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David Webber. Like I want them to know
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what's in y'all y'all DNA. Mike is from
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Michigan, Lansing to be exact and when
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he knew you guys were coming, he he
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changed his shirt for this, Chris.
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No,
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he didn't have on green. He despises the
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green school.
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Oh, okay.
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He's a Michigan MAN LIKE YOU.
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OKAY.
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UH YEAH.
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I JUST THINK BOTH YOUR STORIES is so
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incredible and what you're sharing and I
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think it's all about having that
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constitution and really swaying Heather
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B. Tracy just listening Chris to you
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tell the story. It was so indicative of
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like that great northern migration of so
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many blacks and really in particular so
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many black families in Detroit or in
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Lansing because we are the car capital
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of the world and there's something about
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like the bedrock of that manufacturing
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industry that we come from that is such
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the glue to our families. That's how a
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lot of us got into middle income. That's
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how a lot of us raised a family and you
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guys come before children off of the
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back of that automotive industry. So,
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really listening to you tell the story
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is so important for the story of the
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state of Michigan and two, for the great
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migration cuz black people we do have
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our own immigrant tale, right? Inside of
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America, right? And moving north. And
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so, it's very poignant you're bringing
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that out.
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Thank you because I talk about my big
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mama in in the book. And anybody knows a
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big mama,
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she's related but just think of all
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things that are good. So, she really
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brought my father through an opportunity
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and and people saying it was job. She
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was a hairdresser so she followed the
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ladies who were following their man on
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the trail of work. So, if it's
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Mississippi, it seems like it's Memphis,
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Chicago, Memphis, Michigan, you know,
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that whole Midwestern. And one thing I
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didn't want to be was ashamed of the
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past.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Everybody writing
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a book, I started off this cool, I did
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this, you know what I mean? And I think
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it's more honoring
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telling the truth and then seeing where
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you came from, even embarrassing
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moments. It It was hurtful and
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embarrassing to hear the stories of my
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father talk You know, and to be like,
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you actually lived through that? You
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were allowed that?
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Yeah.
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What? You put your head down when a You
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know what I mean? And so, really
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embracing that.
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you stories like that he had to put his
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head down when somebody addressed him?
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Oh, yeah. That's one of the rules of Oh,
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yeah.
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He talked about it all the time.
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What do you mean,
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Having to put his head down in
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Mississippi, Tunica, Mississippi, when a
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white person is walking, you put your
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head down. That's just something you
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know. He talked about his friends and
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people that he knew of that were that
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were lynched, unfortunately.
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So, he talked about all those things
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and all the time.
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And growing up, this is, you know, so
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living in evil.
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Living around evil.
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And but he does but he's not bitter.
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He He really is.
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And and that's that's the crazy part
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that that I admire about I don't I was
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going to say my father but our father.
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We still got that divide, huh?
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The brother sibling thing, huh?
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That's my dad, no. But But But he he he
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doesn't hold bitter towards people at
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all. My father, his best friend is a
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100-year-old white man.
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Really?
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Yeah, one of his best friends. Yeah.
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Yeah, he takes him to church every
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Sunday, seriously. So, my father doesn't
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hold bitter towards bitterness towards
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people. So, to go through that and not
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hold bitterness
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is incredible to me.
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He held He held us accountable, you know
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what I mean? Like
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he just held us accountable, man. He's a
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man's man. And then growing up my
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mother, the woman that you know
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he he chose to be his better half and
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the woman that that chose him, you know,
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I talk about just to jump a little bit
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ahead, but when I talk about God's
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grace, there were two situations I did
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not want to be part of. That was going
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to to my high school. So, uh my father I
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get this opportunity to play for this
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high school, Country Day. But Jaylen and
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I want to go to the same high school.
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You know, at 12 years old we promised
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each other, you know, 12 years old
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Damn, y'all been cool cool to that long?
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So, I meant saying so, you know, it's
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real good to come back to because out of
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out of our beat, this was the only place
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that I ever said anything negative. You
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know what I mean?
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Well, here?
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Here. On this show.
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On this show.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, no, no, because I know that's your
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man. You know, that's your man, too, and
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you love him, too. You know what I'm
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saying? And I remember your response on
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the show and Heather's response like,
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oh, wait, uh-oh, hit the crystal button.
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Ah, whatever y'all
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get him out of here. You know, no. But
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um so, we
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Damn, that's crazy you brought that up.
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So, so as crazy as that we we played
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together at the age of 12. I was on this
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team and we played for this team called
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the Super Friends.
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Me and him hated each other the first
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day. I go back home, long story, I tell
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my father I'm not going back to
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practice. He's like, "Listen, son, you
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done committed this money. You going
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back to practice." And you know, he
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don't even got to yell, you know what
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I'm saying? He He has all these contexts
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from before like, "We don't raise nobody
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to give up after this one year.
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You have it." Make a long story short, I
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go back to the next practice, we're best
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friends from that day. You know what I
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mean? Kids.
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Yeah.
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And so, my mother and his mother
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put us in different high schools. So, I
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grew up in the same
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radius as him. We should have went to a
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school called Cooley. He went to
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Southwest and that's where I want to go.
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I want to go to Country Day.
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My mother wants me to go there because
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of education. She's a teacher at the
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school at Mumford, you know, she has
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students that are unfortunately, you
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know,
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everything's happening at that school
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and she wants me to go to this Country
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Day. And Country Day, the tuition costs
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more than my mother and father makes,
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right?
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Damn.
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I don't want to go here. It's a bunch of
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these kids over here. I'm not going. I
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try to flunk out. All this don't work.
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Try to flunk out.
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You failed at flunking?
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Because if I would have got bad grades,
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my mom wouldn't have let me hoop. She
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was like, "This is the decision that I
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that I want you to be in." To make a
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long story short, that was the best
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decision ever. Wonderful time. Some of
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my best friends still go to school and I
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mean I'm still close with
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and Jaylen and I still are best friends
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through high school and we got to go to
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Michigan together, right? And so just
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that experience of understanding your
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parents aren't your friends sometimes
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and that there's a bigger
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picture and a bigger purpose. Right? And
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then you jump years later to when I was
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traded from Washington to Sacramento.
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I don't remember that.
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I'm definitely not going. I'm not going
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to Sacramento. I'm not going. I don't
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care. Me and God could fight right now.
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Me and my parents could fight. I don't
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care. It's the worst moment of my life
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and y'all telling me this is going to
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happen. So I called my dad. He like,
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"Boy, you better go. Back in my day." I
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was like, "I don't want to
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I don't want to hear that right now. I
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already know that. That's We ain't
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talking about back in the day. We
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talking about now." And then my I called
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my mother and she was like, "Oh,
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God done gave you an opportunity, son."
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And I was like,
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"So after I hung up, I didn't even want
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to speak to her for a little bit of
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time.
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But I really realized that lesson is
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that you can't be too arrogant or too
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prideful for an opportunity.
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You know, with both of those times and
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wanting in it. So that's what I mean
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about God's grace. I just have wonderful
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people that saved me from myself at
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times that encouraged me. When I called
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the time I was swayed, I came home and
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um
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so I went to school. I'm depressed. Blah
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blah blah blah. I come home. I'm just
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looking for peace. I'm on the block.
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Having fun. We all making fun of each
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other. Getting mama's cooking and
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everything. And then after we had
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dinner, my mama comes in and she has a
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license plate and it says time out. Now,
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my mama is not a vanity person. Like she
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won't even let me
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buy a car. Like she's not that person.
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And by her
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framing it like, "Baby, who cares about
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that time out? We about to make a
15:40
foundation. We about to help these kids
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and let them know this is your worst
15:43
moment. And if this was your worst game
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and your worst moment, follow what he
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does next." But just think if I didn't
15:48
have that and I had a negative person
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like, "We can't never do nothing, man."
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And you know what I mean, son? You know
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what I mean? And then and then a couple
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months after that, I'm the number one
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pick.
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You know what I mean? And to the loudest
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screams. And it was just God's grace
16:00
throughout it. You know what I mean?
16:01
It's just a blessing, man. Right?
16:03
Amen. Amen.
16:04
So just being thankful, man. You know,
16:06
we get caught up
16:08
and sometimes maybe talking about rings,
16:10
which we should cuz rings matter.
16:11
Uh-huh.
16:12
Even though I don't think you should
16:13
chase
16:14
rings.
16:15
Rings. That's your That's always been
16:16
your thing, right?
16:17
Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't think that
16:18
means anything. But, you know, I think
16:20
that if you can win a ring on your own,
16:23
that's credible.
16:24
Yeah.
16:24
I think when you have to jump around or
16:25
whatever. And so being in Sacramento was
16:27
a was a great time. And I'm just glad I
16:30
had good people around.
16:31
Time out. Wow. Y'all made it into a
16:33
positive thing.
16:35
And Dave said I shouldn't What's your
16:37
theory on the on the I was doing a
16:38
interview I interviewed David the other
16:40
day about being the youngest brother. So
16:43
after I called the time out, let me just
16:44
set this up. After I called the time
16:46
out, I'm walking through the
16:48
uh tunnel. And I feel like this warm
16:51
light come.
16:52
Mhm.
16:52
And I'm down, you know. And it's David
16:54
cuz it was his birthday. And he didn't
16:56
even know that I mean, you Did you know
16:58
that
16:58
really know what happened.
17:00
How old were you?
17:00
I was I turned 13 that day.
17:02
Oh.
17:02
So April 5th, 31 years ago.
17:04
Uh-huh.
17:05
Um and we didn't see Chris that often
17:08
cuz he's
17:09
at Michigan.
17:10
Yeah.
17:10
So I mean, even though it's only a
17:11
45-minute drive, it's like he's a
17:13
college student living his He's living
17:15
his
17:16
And so I turned 13 that day. Also, too,
17:19
the 200-and-something thousand dollars
17:21
he supposedly got. I didn't even have a
17:22
Michigan t-shirt. So, if you had some
17:24
money, you should have gave me, you
17:25
know, got me a t-shirt.
17:28
That's how ridiculous it is.
17:30
That's how ridiculous that Anyway,
17:34
and Chris should not I want to be clear.
17:37
There's no I don't want to start crying,
17:38
but um
17:42
There's no way he should be in a Hall of
17:43
Fame.
17:45
There's no way.
17:47
He called a timeout at 20 years old. He
17:48
just turned 20. His birthday is in
17:50
March, so he just turned 20. He called a
17:52
timeout. And his
17:54
life got better after.
17:56
Amen.
17:57
He became a Hall of Fame Hall of Famer
17:59
after, right? So, Chris's story is your
18:01
story at home listening to this, right?
18:04
Your your your mom died of cancer, or
18:07
maybe you lost a job you was with for 25
18:09
years.
18:10
Right? Or maybe you saw your best friend
18:11
killed right in front of you.
18:14
Right? And you got better
18:16
after.
18:17
Right? It's That doesn't happen most of
18:19
time. Most of time when people have
18:21
their hardest moments,
18:23
that's it.
18:24
That's it.
18:25
That's it. Life is over. They're in the
18:26
bed, they sleep all day, they're they're
18:28
emotionally exhausted, they're hurting,
18:30
they're in pain. They don't know how to
18:32
get through the pain. Chris was supposed
18:34
to develop an insanely
18:36
negative coping skill. He was supposed
18:39
to be a person that drank alcohol every
18:41
day all day.
18:43
He was going to be a top five pick
18:44
regardless, but he was supposed to
18:46
develop an unhealthy coping skill and
18:48
become a person that five, six years
18:50
later you say, "What happened to Chris
18:52
Webber?"
18:52
Yeah.
18:53
Right? And And you become a Hall of
18:55
Famer after that?
18:56
Wow.
18:57
That's That to me is absolutely insane.
18:59
So, for you at home listening, Chris
19:01
Webber's story is your story. You've had
19:03
moments in your life that were
19:05
extraordinarily difficult, and you got
19:07
better after.
19:09
Yeah.
19:10
That's incredible to me. So, I'm really
19:11
proud of what you accomplished man. This
19:13
book right here Chris Webber is here.
19:15
We're going to open up the phone line.
19:16
David Webber is here. It's called by
19:18
God's grace. Chris Webber 888-742-3345.
19:25
Chris, give me some bars over this man.
19:30
Always pushing it.
19:32
Okay, all right. Hold up. Hold up. I'll
19:33
give you time to think about it. I just
19:35
want to plant that seed.
19:36
Now, you're going to be sweating the
19:37
whole interview.
19:40
Chris Webber is here man. He got a
19:42
beautiful book by God's grace. His
19:44
brother David Webber is here who's a
19:46
member of our show now. He comes monthly
19:48
in the segment we do Heather is called
19:50
Mental Health Monday.
19:51
There it is. We got a D on the line from
19:53
Michigan. D, welcome to the show.
19:55
Hey D.
19:56
How you all doing?
19:57
Excellent.
19:57
I just wanted to congratulate you on
19:59
your book and I'm a hometown girl. I'm
20:01
around your age. So, I remember you. I
20:03
didn't go to Country Day, but you know,
20:05
around the same time you was in the
20:06
paper on the news and doing all that
20:08
doing your thing. But yeah, keep up the
20:10
good work.
20:11
Thank you D. I appreciate it.
20:13
Okay.
20:14
D, get the book. All right.
20:15
I will.
20:16
Okay. All right D, that's your citizen
20:18
D. Let's go to Charles. Michigan is
20:20
standing up right now. Usually they
20:21
don't call
20:23
unless they got a win or something.
20:30
The Lions doing something?
20:32
yeah, we back baby.
20:34
We here. We ain't never been there. We
20:35
winning.
20:35
Wait a minute. Did the Super Bowl Did
20:36
the Super Bowl happen already?
20:37
No, but but this year we about to win
20:39
the Super Bowl. See what happened last
20:40
year?
20:41
Yeah, I saw who won.
20:42
Yeah, that's how it go. We got to We got
20:44
to start, you know, you got to start
20:45
somewhere.
20:46
I guess you got to Chris. I mean
20:49
reading your book you always see the
20:51
the glass half full.
20:56
I see what's going on here. That's a a
20:59
real
21:01
Oh, hold up. Charles, go ahead man. I'm
21:02
sorry. I got Charles on the line.
21:04
Charles, go ahead.
21:06
Peace. Peace. Peace everybody. I just
21:08
want to say Chris, I played on the uh
21:11
15 and under
21:13
Kzoo Blues out of Kalamazoo the year
21:15
that you played on the 14 under out of
21:17
Detroit and we went out to the national
21:19
tournament out in Seattle, man. I just
21:21
want to say I'm glad to see you went on
21:23
and did your thing and your career and
21:25
now you're in the Hall of Fame.
21:27
Hey man, thank you. I remember that.
21:28
That was Alan Henderson and them beat
21:30
beat us at the last second. VJ Rose and
21:33
whole bunch of cats for the Superfest.
21:35
That was a fun trip, man. Seattle.
21:37
Yeah, I played with a guy you remember
21:38
Mark White out of Battle Creek?
21:40
I do.
21:41
Yeah, I played on that team out of
21:43
out of Kzoo. Walt Hall was the coach. So
21:45
yeah.
21:46
That's what's up, man. We all going to
21:47
get together and bring Michigan
21:49
basketball back to in the state and in
21:51
the D. That's what Derek Coleman and
21:52
them are already doing. So looking
21:54
forward to linking up this summer, man,
21:56
and bringing ball back to the Michigan
21:57
to Michigan.
21:58
Hey Charles, you should go out look
21:59
while follows moves and then go where he
22:01
go and then tell him you met him on the
22:03
show. He'll show you love. He a citizen.
22:05
Sweat in the morning.
22:06
All right, so so you Charles.
22:09
Yo Chris, David. I'm so moved by
22:12
everything y'all both have shared. So
22:14
thank you. Thank you very much. Um you
22:17
know Chris, when you were talking about
22:19
your ancestral line, right? It made me
22:22
think about how a lot of people in this
22:24
country are uncomfortable talking about
22:26
the past, don't understand how the past
22:29
can show up on a cellular level, the way
22:31
that pain can be transferred and I think
22:34
it's incredible that your brother is a
22:36
licensed therapist and I was wondering
22:39
David if you can speak about um
22:41
PTSD from slavery, PTSD from racial
22:47
tensions and how one can heal themselves
22:50
from that and also maybe how that
22:52
healing showed up in your family
22:53
particularly.
22:55
That's a wonderful question. Um
22:57
so what they say it takes what, 7 years
22:59
to get your credit cleaned up? Whatever
23:00
it's supposed to be.
23:02
So what is it What's the legacy of of
23:03
slavery? How many years does it take for
23:05
that?
23:06
Right? So, if your if your child
23:09
right, had to endure watching their even
23:12
they weren't in slavery, had to endure
23:13
watching their parent.
23:15
And so, whatever they learn about
23:16
people, about trauma, about Right,
23:19
there's no name for trauma, by the way,
23:20
at that time. They don't They don't use
23:22
the word trauma. But then I pass that
23:24
down to my child, and I pass that down
23:25
to to to the Right? And what's And and
23:28
and what is
23:29
capable Like, what are you capable of
23:31
doing? So, for Like, for our father
23:34
to have a a son make the NBA, another
23:37
son up Our other brother is a lawyer or
23:39
like
23:40
That's unheard for him. He wasn't
23:42
thinking about
23:44
those possibilities. Maybe hoping
23:46
inside, but that wasn't something that
23:48
was even possible for people who grew up
23:50
in that generation. They talk about
23:52
slavery like it was so so so long ago.
23:53
My father is still living. Like, my
23:55
parents were married 52 years. They're
23:57
not They're still They're still
23:58
together, still married.
24:00
Man, they've been doing that.
24:01
But but grew up in a different
24:02
Mom, leave him if you want to come over
24:04
with us, though, Mom, cuz we want you to
24:05
come stay with us.
24:06
No, come on, man. My dad won't let my
24:09
mom come live with us.
24:12
But
24:12
But they grew up in that time.
24:15
Right?
24:23
But they grew up in a different time.
24:25
And so, my mom's biggest thing was
24:28
education.
24:30
She didn't know no other way. There
24:31
wasn't no, you know, drop shipping and
24:33
internet and you could make money, you
24:35
know, with radio. We wasn't They wasn't
24:36
thinking about those things. So, the
24:37
reason they forced Chris to go to
24:39
Country Day, my mom was thinking, "Okay,
24:41
what's the best way out?" I can't depend
24:43
on basketball. The best way out is
24:44
education. So, I'm going to I'm going to
24:47
pump every nickel we have in education.
24:48
So, we didn't have a bunch of clothes
24:50
and cars. We had a He had a red a red
24:53
Corsica. What year was that, the Corsica
24:55
it could
24:55
I don't know, but I used to drive it
24:57
though like
25:01
It's a Maybach.
25:01
You know what I'm saying? We had we had
25:03
the Scooby-Doo van for real.
25:05
Yeah, that's what we cuz my parents said
25:07
no matter we not buying y'all nothing
25:10
other than clothes
25:12
regular clothes, food and education.
25:14
That's it. So every nickel went into
25:16
that and that's why Chris was able to do
25:19
TNT for as long as he did did and
25:20
broadcasting and everything else is
25:22
because they put him in an environment
25:24
where he could develop those skills. So
25:26
shout out to my mom and dad.
25:27
And I would say too um I learn I like
25:31
I was so judgmental. Like like a lot of
25:34
times we'll be like that generation
25:36
could have showed us this and why they
25:37
do this and that and I would just hope
25:39
everybody just thinks with a little bit
25:41
of grace because
25:43
you know, laws. Just just think about
25:46
you know, laws and the effect of laws
25:48
can have and the the the fact that these
25:50
are people that really did lose friends
25:52
and family because of what the laws
25:55
stated and there was no other way and so
25:57
when I think
25:58
of of of everything I think about the
26:00
prayers they put into us. I think about
26:02
the discipline of not being so emotional
26:04
that they let it all go for something
26:06
that maybe they couldn't change like
26:08
what's the focus when you say I got to
26:10
focus for 10 years.
26:12
You know what I'm saying? Just to get
26:13
there and so I admire the strength of of
26:16
our ancestors. I admire the strength of
26:18
of anyone's ancestors that have gone
26:19
through it that have had to fight to
26:21
find a place and that trauma exist and
26:24
and I know our generation is just
26:26
working to get over the trauma but while
26:27
we're working to get over the trauma I
26:29
hope that we give
26:31
grace to what people were going through
26:34
that kind of had to make up these
26:36
mechanisms to make it.
26:37
They taught us what they knew.
26:39
Yeah.
26:39
You know what I'm saying? They didn't
26:40
know more than that they didn't know. So
26:42
they taught us what they knew and and
26:43
hopefully we took it to the next level
26:44
and hopefully we teach our kids.
26:46
Chris and David Weber are here man. This
26:48
is like a this is your life Chris. We
26:50
got Jeff on the line. Jeff, what do you
26:52
want to say?
26:52
What up, Jeff?
26:54
Oh, hey, can you hear me?
26:55
Yeah, go ahead, bro.
26:57
Oh, yeah, I'm actually from Michigan. Um
26:59
I just want to say Chris, back in I
27:01
don't even know if you remember this,
27:02
but in 1990, I was uh one of the kids at
27:04
the Super Friends Basketball Camp at
27:06
West Bloomfield High School.
27:08
And I still remember to this day, I got
27:09
a twin brother, and like you were our
27:11
camp counselor for the week. I got a
27:12
Polaroid of you like doing the dunk
27:14
contest.
27:15
And um just something I always still
27:17
remember. It's been almost 30 some years
27:20
now, and I still remember I think you
27:21
were like in 11th or 12th grade at the
27:23
time at Country Day, and I still
27:25
remember like watching you go to college
27:28
and the Fab Five, and then you went to
27:29
the NBA, and just seeing the Pistons
27:31
play, and um and David, I believe I I
27:33
work at General Motors. I'm an engineer,
27:35
but I think you were working at GM, too,
27:37
for a little bit there, and I still
27:38
remember that, too. So,
27:40
Jason, my my brother Jason worked there.
27:42
Oh, Jason, sorry, Jason. Okay, sorry,
27:44
sorry, sorry, Jason. Yep, yep, yep.
27:45
He look alive.
27:46
tell people
27:50
What is great I have another story like
27:51
Shane Battier was in like uh ninth grade
27:53
or 10th grade, and I was in a league in
27:55
Pontiac playing on some like uh just rec
27:57
ball, and I remember him just
27:59
really going to town on us. But like I
28:01
still remember Shane, and then, you
28:02
know, Chris was uh really big back then,
28:04
but just always been big big fan, and
28:07
just uh really love you guys, and uh
28:09
really have to say you guys are great.
28:10
what's Jeff, what's it like knowing that
28:12
you played alongside uh
28:14
an NBA Hall of Famer? Did you Could you
28:17
even
28:18
Alongside? No. What do you mean
28:20
alongside?
28:21
play. He didn't play you.
28:22
Uh no, I was your camp counselor.
28:26
Never mind, Jeff. Jeff, thanks for your
28:28
call. You're a citizen. Get out of
28:29
there.
28:30
Yeah, ask him a question.
28:32
So, wait, one thing like um when people
28:33
like that call in, it makes me feel good
28:35
because they have a memory, and so two
28:37
memories I want to share with y'all. One
28:39
is the first job I ever got was from
28:41
Dennis Rodman.
28:42
Dennis Rodman?
28:43
This is crazy. This is what I mean.
28:45
So, so,
28:47
going to Country Day when I was a
28:49
sophomore, you could go out to lunch.
28:51
Did y'all have that same rule?
28:52
No.
28:52
We could leave for lunch. We probably We
28:54
probably messed that rule up.
28:56
So, Dennis Rodman would always play
28:58
video games at Tel-Twelve Mall. So, me
29:01
and the other
29:01
Was he in the league at that time?
29:02
in the league, but everybody knew he
29:04
would play video games like around 1:00.
29:06
It's Dennis Rodman. What do you know?
29:08
Who was he playing for at that time? Was
29:09
he
29:10
The Pistons.
29:11
The Pistons.
29:11
Yeah, and and it was out
29:12
Okay, my bad. Detroit.
29:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You already
29:15
Dug the lines.
29:17
But, uh I just remember stack of
29:19
quarters on a on a video game like
29:21
Millipede or something. Something that
29:22
that I like, Zaxxon, something that was
29:24
off to the side and he was playing
29:25
there. And he saw us watching him every
29:27
day or whatever and then like the fourth
29:29
day, he was like he was like, "Hey kid,
29:31
um come here." He was like, "You want a
29:33
job?" And I was like, "Yeah, I want a
29:34
job." And he was like, "Come to my camp
29:36
next week." And he gave me a phone
29:37
number. He paid me
29:39
$300, but I remember just sitting there
29:41
watching him like like looking
29:44
uh at his physique, looking at how he
29:46
worked out and things like that. And
29:47
those little things and then meeting
29:49
John Sally. Those were the little things
29:51
that gave me
29:52
Those things gave me I mean, but they
29:54
give you confidence. And that's why like
29:56
so when you're speaking to a little kid
29:57
and everybody know how much, you know,
29:59
how much love you show and how the how
30:01
much love you showed me in the league
30:02
cuz me and you used to talk nightly when
30:05
when I was when I was going through it
30:07
and so
30:07
Wow. Yeah, but this is my brother.
30:10
This is This is my brother. We've had
30:12
spiritual conversations where people
30:15
probably didn't know what you were going
30:16
through, and I always held them near and
30:18
dear to my heart. That's not nothing I
30:20
ever talk about. You know, it was always
30:22
personal and private, you know, and I
30:23
respect it. Our conversations, but so
30:27
happy for you.
30:27
And that's God's grace like putting you
30:29
in my life at that time. Like how did we
30:31
link up to talk about serious serious
30:34
I I met Chris and Rasheed Wallace on the
30:37
same day.
30:38
OH MY GOD.
30:39
I'M HANGING OUT WITH RASHEED WALLACE.
30:42
RASHEED.
30:43
I'M I'M IN I'M I'M IN WASHINGTON D.C.
30:47
Hanging out, smoking, high as a light
30:49
bill, and I'm just running around having
30:51
fun. Met the man that was on stage. We
30:54
just And I come off stage and and Chris
30:57
and she was like, "Heather B." I WAS
30:58
LIKE, "OH, WHAT'S UP, Y'ALL, MY
30:59
NIGGERS?"
31:01
SHE WAS LIVE, YEAH, YEAH.
31:03
MY TYPE OF [ __ ]
31:06
THAT BUT I MEAN, WE'RE IN OUR 20S, YOU
31:08
know what I'm saying? Hip-hop is so fun,
31:10
it's so lit, so live. Chris and she was
31:12
like, "Come on, we going to hook up."
31:13
And we just somehow, some way, the first
31:17
phone call me and Chris had, we just I
31:20
don't know, it just got deep. We just
31:22
started talking, got deep.
31:23
Yeah.
31:24
And I was like, "Wow." And and to your
31:25
point, you just never know because
31:27
people would think here's these NBA
31:29
players, every everything should be
31:31
perfect in your life. I'm a rapper,
31:33
every You know all of this stuff, but
31:34
it's we we we're people. People are
31:37
people.
31:37
People are people.
31:38
go through things, and you know, every
31:39
single day. So, I've always respected
31:42
our conversation. You've been family.
31:44
You're You're family.
31:45
No, that's how I feel. That's why when I
31:46
listen to y'all in the morning, I'm
31:48
like, it's sincere. I mean, like I'm in
31:50
it's it's straight it's straight
31:52
sincere. So, that's you got the most
31:53
trusted brand because I know you guys
31:55
are like this, whether it's the radio,
31:57
whether it's not, whether it's been many
31:59
years. You know, Oakland is Why you
32:00
talking Oakland is the West Coast
32:02
Detroit.
32:03
OAKLAND IS THE WORST.
32:05
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, CHRIS?
32:06
I'M JUST SAYING.
32:07
I DON'T KNOW IF I WE WE question your
32:09
loyalty sometimes.
32:11
Oakland, man. Matter of fact, I'm glad
32:13
you brought this up cuz I got a Oakland
32:15
official not on the line with me.
32:17
I'm glad you brought this up, Chris.
32:19
I feel like you owe the town.
32:21
No, I love the town, man.
32:22
Okay, I feel like you owe the town. We
32:23
got Lord Rab on the line from No Voter
32:26
Podcast on the line with us.
32:28
Lord Rab, man.
32:30
Rab, THANKS FOR CALLING IN. WE GOT HIM.
32:32
WE GOT HIM, RAB.
32:34
I had to call in, man, because I got on
32:37
black socks right now because of this
32:38
man.
32:39
Homeboy, what's good?
32:42
Now, Rab does No Vultures Podcast, the
32:44
biggest um podcast coming out of
32:45
Northern California right now. And his
32:47
family, so he good man.
32:49
Oh, so I'm going to be there next week
32:50
in Sacramento. I'm going to come see
32:51
you.
32:51
Come see him, man. Sit down with him,
32:53
right? Hey, yo.
32:54
I got to pull up on you, man. I I wanted
32:56
to say this, Chris. You were such an
32:58
inspiration to me and my friends, you
33:01
know, on the basketball court every day
33:03
and we watched y'all in the 5-5 and then
33:05
getting drafted to the Warriors. Like, I
33:07
actually got to see you in the town
33:09
riding around in that 4Runner.
33:12
You don't remember the 4Runner? You
33:13
know?
33:14
And and actually, my boy Grady was I
33:17
don't know how he
33:18
Oh, wow. Yeah, Grady Grady know where
33:21
the bodies are buried. Yeah.
33:24
That ain't in the book.
33:29
I actually got to ride in Chris Webber's
33:31
4Runner. That's like one of my claim to
33:32
fame, man, with my boy Grady back in the
33:35
day. So,
33:36
you know what I'm saying? Thank you for
33:37
all of that, man. Thank you for what you
33:38
did to the town and going behind the
33:40
back on Barkley. We talked about that
33:42
for 2 years.
33:43
Man, first of all, I'm I want to come on
33:45
the show. Second, I talk about going to
33:47
Oakland. And so, as soon as I get to um
33:50
to Oakland, I go to a party and rapping
33:52
forte there.
33:53
Yeah.
33:54
I ask him for his hat and he sign the
33:56
hat and he give it to me. So, I already
33:58
knew that I was like, "Welcome to
33:59
Oakland." They showed me so much love.
34:01
E-40, Suga T, the Click,
34:04
Money B and them. So, you got to realize
34:06
I'm a rookie, Dave.
34:07
I'm a Money B No, no, he came up with
34:09
that. Money B did Digital Underground.
34:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, shout out to
34:12
Oakland and the love and the people and
34:14
it's always been about the people and
34:16
that's what that's what makes me feel
34:18
good. Hopefully, you know, hopefully
34:19
everybody in Oakland know I love them as
34:21
much as as I got the love in return.
34:23
Well, you needed to say that. We do now.
34:26
Shout out GP. Shout out J Kidd.
34:29
Come on, man. Uh Foster.
34:32
Uh
34:33
Antonio Davis.
34:34
Oh, Antonio Davis.
34:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:37
Agent Zero.
34:37
Yeah, come on. Dame Dollar.
34:40
I love the town.
34:41
You got Come on, man. You got town in
34:43
you. You are the town.
34:44
You know what I'm saying, though?
34:46
Okay, we good. We cool now.
34:47
Yeah, we cool. We cool.
34:49
Rap, thank you, Rap. I'm ready to
34:51
Rap, be safe, brother. All right, that's
34:53
the Lord Rap No Voters Podcast. I want
34:56
to,
34:56
uh, ask you a couple of questions about
34:58
the book. One of the things I
35:00
I I feel like every basketball player
35:02
got a Michael Jordan story, right? And
35:04
you you posted a picture of you and
35:05
Michael in this book. Uh, can you share
35:08
a Michael story that means something to
35:10
you that that was very meaningful
35:12
meeting Michael Jordan?
35:14
So, I played, uh,
35:16
I like to call them the crash test
35:18
dummies, you know, the team that played
35:19
against the Olympic team. It was
35:21
supposed to be our year and, uh, we got
35:22
a chance to play against Magic and and
35:24
all these guys. And I just remember
35:27
meeting Mike and how cool he was, you
35:29
know what I mean? We're all these
35:30
college kids and we're practicing
35:31
against the Dream Team before they go
35:33
out against the world. They didn't have
35:34
to show us any love, so
35:36
the best memories I have about Mike is
35:37
just him being normal, going in his room
35:39
and I think he was playing Joust and I
35:41
called my boy. I'm like, "Mike and him
35:43
playing Joust. What do you know about
35:45
Joust?" You know what I'm saying? Just
35:46
the
35:47
Just the Just the Just the little
35:49
things, but Mike Mike is a killer and
35:51
that's what I remember on the court. I
35:53
remember getting off the
35:54
bus and like, uh, in a in a playoff game
35:57
and, uh, he parked his Ferrari inside to
36:00
intimidate everybody, so
36:02
He did it.
36:02
You When you get off the bus, the
36:04
Ferrari's on one side and you have to
36:07
walk off the bus looking at his Ferrari.
36:10
So, before the game
36:12
Hey, Juwan, I'm sorry about this, but
36:14
before the game, this is the only time I
36:16
think we ever let a teammate down. We
36:17
can't We get off the bus and Juwan was
36:19
real good friends with Jordan. And
36:20
Jordan's smoking a cigar before the
36:22
game. He's like, "Yo, Juwan, where Who's
36:24
checking me tonight?"
36:26
And we pointed at Calvin Cambridge.
36:29
We shouldn't have did that. Sorry,
36:30
Calvin.
36:32
And Mike had 55 that night.
36:33
OH MY GOD.
36:36
AND HE SMOKED A CIGAR before the game.
36:38
I remember in the in the game I I told
36:40
him I was like, "You sold your soul to
36:42
the devil, dog. You shouldn't even You
36:44
shouldn't even be making these shots you
36:45
making, man." But um Jordan, he was just
36:47
great, man, to be around that greatness.
36:49
So, that's that's the only thing.
36:50
That's the story you got?
36:50
Yeah, that's it. That's it.
36:52
I say you're great. When you read this
36:53
book by God's grace, it's true. You're
36:55
going to hear a lot of adversity
36:58
that his family, Chris and his family
37:00
had faced and some personal adversities.
37:02
And I when I was reading a part of the
37:05
book, you start talking about conception
37:07
and Erica's struggle
37:10
initially.
37:10
Shout out to E, man.
37:11
Yeah, having Yeah, conceiving a child,
37:14
right? And I've never read nothing like
37:16
that. Like I and you you don't very
37:18
often hear people That's something we
37:19
tuck underneath. We don't
37:21
talk about it. Especially men.
37:23
Especially men, the inability
37:25
Yeah.
37:25
to have a child, you know? Um
37:28
Did when that was happening to you, what
37:30
what went through your mind? What What
37:32
did you think?
37:33
Well, it's funny cuz you spend so many
37:35
years trying not to, you know, trying to
37:37
stay focused in the game. You know what
37:39
I mean?
37:39
Trying not to get somebody pregnant.
37:40
Yeah, yeah, for real. And so, it was it
37:43
was you know, God has a sense of humor.
37:45
He like, "You know, now you want to."
37:47
You know what I mean?
37:49
And so, man, you know, we just
37:52
prayed on it, worked on it, and I really
37:55
try not to go in in too much deep cuz I
37:57
want that to be a story she tells, but
37:58
over you know, 7 years of trying, we
38:01
finally conceived. You know what I mean?
38:02
But it was her strength.
38:04
And now I got twins, a boy and a girl.
38:06
They're like a old married couple.
38:08
They're 6 years old, but
38:09
they're like a old married couple,
38:11
depending on what day, you know what I
38:12
mean? What you're going to get. She's my
38:14
little boss. It's It's It's love. Like
38:15
before I left, my little bro My my son
38:18
is practicing John Baptiste.
38:21
Yes.
38:22
on piano.
38:23
Yeah, he's practicing John Baptiste.
38:25
Uh what's his name? Blackbird, you know,
38:26
from Beyoncé. Yeah, but I'm saying this
38:28
is but that's cuz his mother plays a
38:29
grandmother plays the piano. Like that's
38:32
it's a blessing, man. Yeah, we tried
38:33
many years to conceive and then now we
38:35
have 6-year-old twins in the house. It's
38:36
live, man.
38:37
There you go. Okay.
38:38
Anybody got some kids? Let's get live.
38:39
Let's get live.
38:40
We do kids parties at the house all the
38:41
time.
38:42
Did you personally, though, did you sit
38:44
down did you do therapy or how did you
38:46
juggle with that yourself?
38:48
Prayer, man.
38:48
Prayer?
38:49
You know, I really didn't
38:51
find out about therapy or embrace
38:54
therapy
38:55
until really David's journey.
38:57
Okay.
38:57
Cuz David is really
39:00
he's David is really kind of downplaying
39:02
and that's probably one of his I don't
39:04
even know the right word trick I don't
39:05
know the words you guys use, but
39:07
David broke Larry Bird's record. David
39:10
score David retired or his number's been
39:13
retired. He's in the Central Michigan
39:15
Hall of Fame. He broke down Marley's
39:16
record. He was an all-American All-Star.
39:19
So,
39:19
This is David?
39:20
This David. I mean I'm talking about
39:22
Yeah, I remember being in Sacramento
39:24
watching the game and he had 51 and they
39:26
beat Purdue and me and Jay Will, white
39:27
chocolate, running around the house like
39:29
little kids cuz Dave giving them that
39:31
work since he was 5 years old. He'd be
39:32
the kid in our huddle. Like you better
39:34
rebound. You better do this. So, I've
39:36
never seen anybody more focused or
39:38
dedicated as an athlete and I really
39:40
mean this and and I want to take credit
39:42
from that, but but I can't and so
39:44
in sports even with sports psychology
39:46
and other things, there aren't too many
39:48
people that
39:49
have the education, but also have the
39:52
the life context. So, I hear a lot of
39:55
people maybe they repeat mantras and
39:57
things like that, but David was faced
39:59
with playing games and people like
40:01
you're not your brother or
40:03
um uh not getting recruited to certain
40:06
schools because of um some of the things
40:09
I had been through and how they looked
40:11
at the family or or things like that.
40:12
And so, his career was incredible and
40:14
so, I never really
40:17
understood it and David, my little
40:18
brother, he's younger than me but at
40:20
times he's a big brother. And so I've
40:22
been able to really tap into a lot of
40:25
that, you know, through him.
40:27
Well, were you nice like that though?
40:29
But check this out. He used to sleep He
40:31
used to sleep in the bed with me till I
40:32
was 12.
40:33
Oh man.
40:35
And he would pee on me every NIGHT SO
40:37
MUCH
40:38
THAT I I SLEPT WITH a towel
40:40
Yo.
40:41
by the bed. I'm not lying. And he would
40:43
pee I'd just roll over
40:45
and get out of the bed and go back to
40:46
sleep.
40:47
Y'all are crazy.
40:48
Ask your therapist.
40:50
Ask him about Ask him about peeing in
40:52
the bed.
40:54
Gosh, damn David. You really was a good
40:57
shoot.
40:58
WOW, SWAGGY.
41:01
OH MAN, YO LET ME let me ask you this
41:03
too. In the book you're going to find
41:04
out that Chris Webber
41:07
didn't really
41:09
I I guess appreciate what it was to be
41:12
inducted into the Hall of Fame
41:14
initially, right? Is that true?
41:16
I I couldn't I didn't I didn't know how
41:18
to grasp it.
41:19
Uh-huh.
41:19
You know what I mean? And I think that's
41:21
what started the book. It was like um
41:24
what happens when you're done with
41:25
something, you know what I mean? You
41:26
almost have to keep score. It was like I
41:28
needed in my mind to take score cuz
41:30
there was so many shots fired on the
41:32
side that you know, I wanted to make
41:35
sure it was it was the right
41:37
it it was the right focus and so my
41:39
father laughed. It it was almost like I
41:41
just had to relive so many moments so
41:43
that I could get to the end and say,
41:45
"Okay, that's what I'm in there for."
41:46
cuz it was for a collective. It was over
41:48
time for the times you go through,
41:50
people talking [ __ ] about you, the times
41:51
they go through when people say you're
41:53
not going to make it, the times that
41:54
you're mad at yourself and you say,
41:56
"God, I'm sorry. Why do I keep doing
41:58
this?" The times you need to practice
41:59
better and the focus. You know, all
42:01
those things together, the time that
42:02
people cheer for you and help you and
42:04
and root you on, you know, all of those
42:05
things. The the great people in
42:07
Sacramento, how they put the jersey up,
42:09
Vlade, these guys. So just playing with
42:10
J-Will. You know, I played with some of
42:12
the best point guards in the game. You
42:13
think of AI, Jay Will, Rod Strickland,
42:17
Mike Bibby, you know, and so
42:20
Yeah, you know what I mean? So just I
42:21
just needed to sit with it. That's
42:23
How how does it feel now?
42:25
Oh, it's it's a blessing, bro. You know,
42:26
it it didn't take too long to get it.
42:29
I got it. I got it.
42:30
Okay, let me let me ask y'all this too
42:32
real quick.
42:33
Um
42:34
um
42:35
you guys have produced Nas, right?
42:38
So you this family is a family of hip
42:41
hop. They come from the culture. So I
42:43
can ask them questions and I ain't got
42:45
to check their criteria. I know who they
42:47
are.
42:48
All right, so
42:50
we've been having this debate today
42:51
about Kendrick Lamar,
42:53
J. Cole and Drake.
42:55
Kendrick fired off shots.
42:58
Drake has been firing little subliminals
43:00
over the years. Him and Kendrick go back
43:01
and forth.
43:03
Tracy made me aware that J. Cole has
43:05
never said nothing about Kendrick until
43:08
7 Minute Drill.
43:11
We know that J. Cole has since
43:12
apologized
43:14
for what he did by releasing that record
43:17
and he's taking it off of all streaming
43:18
platforms.
43:20
You're a hip hop head. What are your
43:22
thoughts about the apology?
43:24
Okay.
43:26
So I was asking Royce about this the
43:28
other day. Royce da 5'9.
43:30
You going to put it on Royce though?
43:30
That's what you going to do?
43:32
And and
43:34
I never wanted to see these These are
43:36
the only two rappers I never wanted to
43:37
see beef in my life.
43:39
Only because I love Kendrick and I love
43:42
J. Cole and J. Cole been murdering
43:44
everybody on their own songs.
43:46
It's a homicide.
43:47
And 7 7 Minute didn't sound like he had
43:50
his heart in it. You know what I mean?
43:51
To me. And so
43:53
I'm I'm going to go this way. I don't
43:55
think it's the rules of hip hop. So
43:57
within the rules of hip hop, I could see
43:59
how people are disappointed. However
44:02
though, I'm glad he didn't ride with it
44:04
just to continue riding with it. Like to
44:06
me, it's harder for him to say, "My bad.
44:09
I'mma stick my chin out." than to write
44:10
another verse. I think it would be
44:12
easier to write another verse. And so,
44:14
truthfully, because I'm a fan and I I
44:17
never met him, but I think I'm a fan of
44:19
the man.
44:19
Yeah.
44:20
I'mma put this on the man saying he he's
44:23
wise and it wasn't him ducking out. It
44:25
it I don't think he's scared of a fight.
44:28
I think it's him being like, "This this
44:30
corny. We the greatest. Let's rock and
44:32
not have a fake war." That's That's what
44:34
I hope.
44:35
Okay. All right.
44:36
I hope.
44:37
That's That's I promise you that's what
44:38
I hope.
44:38
so any So, you okay with the apology?
44:41
Because of those reasons. That's fair
44:42
enough.
44:43
I'm I'm I'm I'm okay, but I would not
44:45
I'mma tell you the truth, I would not
44:47
probably get that that that past to
44:49
others.
44:50
Okay, so J. Cole get the apology pass
44:52
because of the dynamic you just
44:54
described. I see that. I see what you
44:56
saying.
44:56
mean? Cuz what he said, he like he did
44:58
do good work, he did do this. And so,
45:00
but I I
45:01
But I never wanted to see them go at it
45:02
anyway. So, maybe for me, I'm just glad
45:04
that it wasn't.
45:05
Okay.
45:06
Cuz cuz we didn't we didn't we didn't
45:07
seen we didn't seen lyrical wars.
45:10
Nas and Jay.
45:11
You know who
45:12
Hey hey hey hey
45:13
Jay Jay apologized?
45:14
His mother told him to.
45:16
After super ugly, he did an apology?
45:18
His mother told him to.
45:19
All right. See, you know what I mean?
45:20
If
45:22
Yeah, that's a tough one. It's a hip
45:23
Don't be scared to answer these
45:24
questions.
45:24
No no no no no. It's just it's real.
45:26
It's real in the morning, citizens. He
45:27
ain't as nice as Na.
45:30
No. No. Yeah.
45:31
Okay, so let's come from a therapeutic
45:33
place.
45:34
Yeah.
45:35
The apology, what is that overall?
45:37
Vulnerability. I loved it.
45:39
Okay.
45:40
I loved it.
45:40
Uh-huh.
45:41
I don't care what y'all think, what
45:43
y'all say.
45:43
Uh-huh.
45:44
I'mma be vulnerable in this moment and I
45:46
think that we shouldn't do this. I'm not
45:49
going to come back at you.
45:50
Take it off the platforms. I loved it. I
45:52
love vulnerability, man.
45:53
Okay. Yeah, that's your thing.
45:54
I love vulnerability.
45:55
see that.
45:55
I love honesty.
45:56
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
45:58
He did it at his concert, too. I mean,
46:00
he knew he was going to take a
46:02
I I just think he thought about it. I
46:03
don't think I don't think it was I don't
46:05
think it was out of fear. Let me say
46:07
that. And if you don't move out of fear
46:09
then I take it if he was scared and
46:11
someone and he was scared of some lyrics
46:13
that were coming.
46:14
Or just think of
46:16
You think the lyrics should still come?
46:17
What do you think Kendrick should do?
46:18
Okay, in the rules of hip-hop let's
46:21
let's let's
46:22
okay let's stick to the rules of
46:23
hip-hop. Not not that
46:25
let's not go to David's
46:27
psychological behavioral patterns and
46:30
let's stick to the rules of hip-hop.
46:34
No no no no no no this is time to jump
46:36
off the top rope.
46:38
You know what I mean? If I'm if I'm
46:39
Kendrick you definitely have
46:41
a moment or you could put the sword to
46:43
his neck and make the crowd scream and
46:45
then mercy. You know what I mean? Like
46:47
it it is time for hip-hop but
46:50
But don't you ain't got a butt. You you
46:52
you you just don't you you AIN'T GOT A
46:53
BUTT.
46:54
I would love for them two to get mad at
46:55
somebody else and and and go at someone
46:57
else.
46:58
Well maybe they'll make music together
46:59
out of this.
47:00
David would love that.
47:05
Yo we got one more caller. Hold on.
47:06
Mark, what's your question? Go ahead.
47:08
What up Mark?
47:09
Hey hey what's going on y'all? Man I'm a
47:12
long time listener. What's going on
47:14
Sway? I'm calling from North Carolina
47:16
but Chris I tell these young cats
47:19
there's no conversation
47:21
about my top 10 without putting Chris
47:23
Webber and I put you in the same
47:24
category with Allen Iverson because you
47:27
two guys changed the culture. I was born
47:29
in '75 so we're not that much the age
47:31
difference but you guys
47:34
changed the culture by default. Y'all
47:36
just with being yourselves. And I
47:38
respect your musical stuff, your your
47:40
your style of fashion and even though
47:42
I'm a Duke fan I ain't trying to be
47:44
funny. I I was mad when y'all lost to
47:46
Carolina cuz I hate Carolina Tar Heels
47:48
but anyway
47:50
Yo yo so you got a question Mark?
47:53
Mark, YOU GOT A QUESTION?
47:54
I JUST WANT TO GIVE HIM big ups because
47:55
he's in my top 10. You see these young
47:57
guys don't know nothing. I'm glad he
47:59
posterized Charles Barkley that time.
48:02
You know, he posterized Charles Barkley.
48:04
And that was And he was the the best
48:05
Golden State team ever, Sway. The best
48:07
Golden State team with Latrell Sprewell,
48:10
Chris Mullin, and Tim Hardaway. But
48:12
anyway, I just want to say shout Y'all
48:13
need a podcast, man, you and your
48:14
brother. I would pay for it. I would
48:16
listen to it cuz y'all dropping
48:18
knowledge, man. And almost met you once
48:20
with
48:21
Antoine Walker and Antoine Jamison.
48:22
There you go, Sway. But listen, I ain't
48:23
going to hold y'all up cuz I know it's
48:24
12:00
48:25
All right, man. You You got a question
48:26
now, Mark?
48:28
No, I don't. I just keep doing what
48:29
you're doing, Chris.
48:30
Okay, thank you, man. Hey, did y'all Did
48:31
y'all beat the Dream Team?
48:33
Yeah, yeah, we beat them for real. But
48:35
let me ask you this question.
48:36
Yeah.
48:36
So, let's just say for instance, you're
48:39
telling me, not you, but you're telling
48:40
me
48:41
that the theory is Michael Jordan sat on
48:44
the side for 3 minutes and that's why we
48:46
beat them.
48:47
Is that true?
48:48
I I don't I don't know. I I He He could
48:50
have sat on the side. Let's say he sat
48:51
on the side all 12 minutes.
48:53
Okay.
48:53
So, you're saying some college players
48:55
beat the rest of the best players in the
48:56
world?
48:57
Yeah.
48:57
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like,
48:58
for people to say, "Oh, Jordan only
49:00
played 2 minutes." That's like, first of
49:01
all, saying that he's not competitive.
49:02
Two, that's saying Magic is not good.
49:04
Bird isn't good.
49:06
Barkley isn't good. Malone isn't good.
49:08
David Robinson isn't good. Mullin isn't
49:10
good. You know, so
49:12
The story is that you When they put the
49:14
Dream Team together, that they brought
49:16
you guys in to scrimmage with them?
49:18
We were supposed to be the
49:20
Olympic Dream Team that year because it
49:22
was college. It was always college
49:24
players. They lost the year before, 4
49:26
years before. And so, they said, "We got
49:28
this great idea. We're going to grow
49:29
basketball. We're going to grow You
49:31
know, with Michael Jordan, the reason
49:32
why we have Luka Dončić and these guys
49:34
in the NBA today is because of that 1992
49:37
Dream Team. They went around and the
49:38
world saw them and they're just like,
49:40
"Oh my god, I want to be them." So,
49:41
we're the practice squad and we beat
49:43
them. But Coach K from Duke says that he
49:46
noticed he looked to the side and he
49:49
Chuck Daly was just doing this to get
49:51
the guys competitive and because Michael
49:53
Jordan was on the side.
49:55
If I was Michael Jordan's teammate, that
49:57
would be disrespect to me because no
49:59
college team can beat an NBA team,
50:01
period. I I don't I don't care. So,
50:03
yeah, we won that practice. I mean,
50:05
that was our moment. It was the perfect
50:07
moment. Grant Hill wanted to be Jordan.
50:08
I wanted to be Barkley.
50:11
Uh, you know, Bobby Hurley wanted to be
50:13
Stockton. And so, we're in the middle of
50:15
a dream and we get to practice against
50:17
our heroes. I mean, I'm in the huddle
50:19
damn near crying. Like, let's get it.
50:21
Yeah.
50:21
You know what I mean? We get to play.
50:22
This ain't the day where you get to see
50:24
what Dominique is wearing and you get
50:26
access on your phone to them. It wasn't
50:28
none of that. It was like no one had
50:29
ever seen it. They were wearing shoes
50:31
and stuff that we've never seen before,
50:33
the way they're practicing. So, yeah, we
50:35
we really beat them. Now, the next day
50:36
So, we beat them. I'm talking about we
50:38
beat them. We dunking on them. We
50:39
wilding. We beat them.
50:40
The next day we did not score a point.
50:42
You didn't score a point? You didn't
50:44
score a point?
50:45
Chris, you you're as tall as the rim.
50:47
How you not score a point?
50:48
Not one point.
50:49
Because Patrick Ewing was taller. Yeah,
50:51
not one point. And they really showed us
50:53
like it was physical. So, did we catch
50:54
them slipping? Yeah. But we caught them
50:56
slipping. That's what you're supposed to
50:57
do. But we didn't catch them slipping
50:59
ever again. No one caught them slipping.
51:00
Did did Mike play the next day?
51:02
Oh, yeah, he played. But he played that
51:04
day we beat him, too. So,
51:05
Okay. Okay. All right, Chris. Cuz it
51:06
didn't sound like he was on the team the
51:07
day y'all beat them.
51:08
Yeah, we we beat them. He got that work.
51:10
You got pictures, though?
51:11
Huh? There's video.
51:12
Okay. All right. Heather, you want to
51:14
ask something to Mike?
51:15
You have have pictures and everything.
51:17
Chris, I two questions. Was Michigan
51:19
your first choice for school? And
51:21
secondly, the caller mentioned you,
51:22
Allen Iverson. This morning I was
51:24
thinking about the Fab Five. I was
51:26
thinking about Larry Johnson and that
51:28
team with the UNLV Running Rebels. What
51:31
y'all did for the culture of it all. Why
51:33
we all, even women, started watching
51:36
college basketball, young black girls,
51:37
because of the Fab Five, because of
51:40
UNLV, Allen Iverson. This morning we
51:43
were talking about LSU and what Angel
51:45
Reese, in our opinion did for the
51:49
culture of it women basketball now
51:51
drawing young black girls to watch it.
51:54
It It's never been talked about so much
51:56
except for this year. South Carolina,
51:58
what Dawn Staley did with those girls
52:00
yesterday, absolutely unbelievable for
52:02
the season.
52:03
Coming right at incredible. Do you think
52:06
um
52:07
we do have a direct effect on
52:11
the the the market and the influence the
52:13
way you guys did? I I I feel like
52:17
the Fab Five did that for college
52:19
basketball.
52:21
What LSU is doing as well and South
52:23
Carolina. We They basketball players
52:26
have that effect.
52:27
Yeah, but like when me and She met you,
52:28
we were hip-hop fans and we were happy
52:30
to meet you knowing that you were going
52:31
through the same things we were at the
52:33
same age and working hard. So, I think
52:35
that
52:36
it was the Fab Five, but it was also
52:38
they hated us at Michigan's after the
52:40
game. We jumped on the scorers' table
52:41
and had them play hip-hop and rap.
52:44
Jalen and my name is cuz we wanted to
52:45
see what it felt like to be on stage.
52:49
SERIOUSLY, YEAH.
52:50
LIKE
52:51
I SAY THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M proud
52:52
of is that before our layup lines, I
52:55
don't ever remember hearing hip-hop
52:56
music ever before our layup lines. Do
52:59
you understand what I'm saying? It was a
53:00
pop song or other things and so, yeah, I
53:03
think that we were your brothers, we
53:05
were people's sons. So, yeah, we had a
53:07
connection and what Angel Reese is going
53:09
through
53:10
it it hurts because we got death threats
53:11
as well. You know, it's not all pretty.
53:14
So, at Michigan
53:15
basketball games
53:15
at Michigan death threats, y'all shorts
53:17
are too long and those black socks are
53:19
ugly, you know. And so, what she's going
53:20
through
53:21
is being that leader and it's messed up.
53:23
She It's going to be lonely, but she's
53:25
helping transition. What Allen Iverson,
53:27
I have a friend that always says, man,
53:29
Allen Iverson helped me cuz I could have
53:30
braids at work. You never could have
53:32
braids at work till AI came. And it's
53:33
just that exposure. So, yeah, and shout
53:36
out to Steph Curry because Steph Curry
53:38
made it so I know more women's names in
53:40
basketball than I do men's players. Why?
53:44
Because we all could be at the barber
53:45
shop talking [ __ ] Yeah, I could play.
53:47
And the girl could come out like, ain't
53:48
no posting up, ain't no dunking. Let's
53:50
go out here and see who can shoot
53:51
better.
53:51
Mhm.
53:52
And the fact that the three-point shot
53:53
has become the dunk in the game is so
53:55
dope because that's what guys used to
53:57
complain. Lower the rim. And girls like,
53:58
we ain't lowering the rim. Let's shoot.
54:00
And so now you see the jump shot don't
54:02
get old and she'll come in and and and
54:04
and and bust your ass in a jump shooting
54:05
contest and play. So
54:07
Steph Curry.
54:08
What the Steph Curry? And what the
54:09
ladies have done like like playing
54:11
tough, being themselves, you know, going
54:13
out it is just wonderful to see. So
54:14
yeah, the game is growing. It's a direct
54:16
result of them.
54:16
It's a direct result. 12 million, 15
54:19
million viewers watching female
54:20
basketball.
54:21
game five of the of the championship
54:23
last year.
54:24
That's crazy.
54:25
That's nuts.
54:26
Mike, take us home, man.
54:27
Being that you Michigan
54:28
Wait, wait, was Michigan your first
54:30
choice?
54:30
Oh, I'm sorry. No, Michigan State was my
54:32
first choice. I talked about that in the
54:33
book. But what's crazy is that I'll be
54:34
quick as that the athletic director's
54:36
wife tried to set me up. She took a
54:38
picture of me
54:39
through a Coke bottle on a visit. And to
54:42
make a long story short, I was like,
54:43
y'all can't set me up to come here. I'm
54:45
going to I'm going to go play with my
54:46
boy Juwan Howard. It's crazy.
54:48
What's set you up? How would that set
54:49
you? Just with the picture itself would
54:51
have implied that you was going there?
54:52
So I was at Minnesota
54:54
and the coach walked me up and at the
54:56
time it was a violation to walk into a
54:58
suite. So they walked me into a suite.
55:01
They're my host. I shake couple people's
55:03
hands and someone was like, quick,
55:05
quick, quick, hurry up and get a
55:06
picture. And I get back and they're
55:07
like, it's an NCAA violation, it's this
55:09
and that. And so
55:10
Yeah, that's it's it's it's crazy how
55:13
things start, you know what I mean? But
55:14
Tom Izzo at that time I was definitely,
55:17
you know, going there. But all those
55:18
things, God's grace, I'm glad that
55:20
happened cuz I got on the phone with
55:21
Zane and Juwan and like, let's let's do
55:23
this. And that never would have
55:24
happened. But because of that very first
55:26
interview I did at 12 years old, I
55:28
wanted to play at Michigan State. I got
55:29
to go play with Magic at Michigan State.
55:31
Right.
55:31
And and so that's where I wanted to go.
55:34
Mike News, Michigan man.
55:35
That's so you say that because Stanford
55:37
was my first choice. And so you'll find
55:38
a lot of Michigan people were Michigan
55:40
men, especially if you lived in the
55:41
state, Michigan wasn't always our first
55:43
choice. And that gravitational pull of
55:45
Michigan State when Tom Izzo was huge
55:47
because we had Magic who was still very
55:49
dominant at Lansing and Tom Izzo at the
55:51
Breslin Center was just popping. So
55:52
Michigan State had a hold of basketball.
55:54
So for that to happen and then you come
55:56
and transform Michigan. As Michigan men
55:58
I just want to say thank you. Like
55:59
growing up watching you in Lansing,
56:00
Michigan, you were such an inspiration
56:02
for me to want to be at Michigan and so
56:04
many other black kids to go to Michigan
56:06
and to be ourselves at Michigan, which
56:09
is something to to underscore. But
56:10
David, I want to come to you though, but
56:11
to underscore how hard it was for you
56:13
guys. Michigan to him to jump up on
56:16
there and to do a hip hop parade at the
56:18
University of Michigan,
56:19
I can't underscore what they were up
56:21
against. Michigan is a very traditional
56:23
school even to this day. When you win,
56:26
you only play the fight song and then
56:28
you go straight into our alma mater.
56:30
There is no deviation from that to this
56:32
day. So for these black men at that time
56:36
to jump up on the scoreboard and to do
56:37
hip hop parade is a violation against
56:41
everything University of Michigan stands
56:43
for since 1817. No, no,
56:47
yeah, we're from 1817. We're
56:48
brainwashed.
56:50
It's such an honor to talk to you, man.
56:52
But question for you though, David. I
56:54
want to keep on the LSU right now just
56:56
for a second.
56:58
What do you think mentally those girls
57:00
are going through the day they had to
57:02
play Iowa and that article had just come
57:05
out from that horrible I'm going to say
57:07
horrible that horrible LA Times writer
57:09
who called them dirty debutantes and the
57:12
racism they were experiencing and how
57:15
racialized that that had come. Talk to
57:18
us about that mental capacity and how
57:21
that mental capacity was actually on the
57:23
court playing against them too as well.
57:25
For sure. We talked about this on your
57:26
podcast.
57:28
When you have the world against you just
57:30
because you're
57:31
different and what's different? She has
57:34
fun and and runs up and down the court
57:36
and does little stuff like this, but
57:38
she's just having fun. And she's a she's
57:41
young she's a young person. So, when you
57:43
watch adults talk bad about young
57:45
people, that's a grown man writing an
57:48
article about kids. Something got
57:50
Something's wrong. And I'm I'm not I'm
57:52
not Dave the therapist no more. Now I'm
57:54
just regular Dave. Something's wrong
57:55
with you talking about and dogging young
57:57
people.
57:58
Young young women playing a game of
58:00
basketball in the same way they dog They
58:02
used to dog They used to dog, y'all.
58:04
They used to dog the Fab Five because
58:05
they had bald head and black socks and
58:08
big shorts. But they used to get dogged
58:10
all the time in the paper. But they not
58:12
thing that kept us going cuz we heard
58:14
what they said. Yeah. But but for But to
58:16
answer your question, when adults do
58:18
that and dog young people, like just
58:20
because you're famous or have money
58:22
doesn't mean you have a special capacity
58:24
to handle criticism or trauma. Like what
58:27
Because they make money or because of
58:28
this they can handle criticism better?
58:29
No. Like So, for Angel Reese, shout out
58:32
to Angel Reese and LSU and and all the
58:34
women all the women in the sport doing
58:36
their thing to get criticism like that
58:38
is unfair and it's wrong and I'm not
58:40
Dave the therapist right now. That's
58:41
wrong. It's flat-out wrong, period,
58:43
dogging young people like that.
58:44
Yeah.
58:45
Um man, I want to thank the Weber
58:46
family.
58:48
The Weber ancestors, the grandmothers,
58:50
the grandfathers, the fathers, the
58:53
mothers, the aunties, the uncles, the
58:55
cousins, the siblings, all of them.
58:58
I want to thank you all. You are an
58:59
amazing clan of individuals. Your tribe
59:03
is is um
59:05
admirable at the very least to consider
59:08
everything that you guys have endured
59:09
and for you to be who you are today.
59:12
Your ancestors are smiling on the two of
59:13
you speaking the way you are today and
59:15
sharing this information and and being
59:17
vulnerable and
59:18
this is healing, you know. We You know
59:20
what we do up here. We We We song We We
59:23
We laugh and but we cry and we do
59:25
everything in between, but it's for the
59:27
healing. You know, so I appreciate you
59:29
brother David for being consistent in
59:30
coming up here once a month. We going to
59:32
get this show on the road eventually
59:34
Heather. I keep saying that cuz I I'm a
59:36
manifest this yeah, I see it happen.
59:37
I'll produce the show.
59:38
Yeah, we going to produce it.
59:39
You want us to produce me and Heather
59:40
produce the [ __ ] out of you.
59:41
You still putting me to work.
59:42
Yeah, Heather produce the work.
59:46
Somebody got to cook.
59:50
But congratulations on this book by
59:52
God's grace by Chris Webber.
59:55
Yes, chriswebber.com.
59:56
Okay, go to chriswebber.com. It's a
59:58
beautiful book.
59:59
Beautiful book.
59:59
Cuz I need that cookbook Heather. You
1:00:00
don't got You don't got You're not
1:00:02
signed up. You not You got You don't got
1:00:03
nothing coming out? Oh, me and you got
1:00:05
to talk cuz that's something I've been
1:00:07
I've been saying for 2 years. Like 2 3
1:00:09
years I've been wanting to call you and
1:00:10
and talk about that.
1:00:12
Really?
1:00:12
Yeah, I'm no BS cuz
1:00:14
yeah, I'll be following you. You a chef.
1:00:16
You need a cookbook. Why wouldn't you
1:00:17
have a cookbook?
1:00:19
Why why wouldn't you have a cookbook?
1:00:20
Chris, you asking her a thousand
1:00:21
questions a thousand people done asked
1:00:23
her. Let's see if you can ask.
1:00:25
Let's produce that. Let me produce your
1:00:26
cookbook.
1:00:27
Okay, I'll produce it with you.
1:00:28
Yeah, LET ME GO.
1:00:31
I'M PRODUCING everything out.
1:00:32
How many jobs does Swayze want to have?
1:00:34
How many jobs do you have?
1:00:35
Man, I'm just having fun. That's all all
1:00:37
the ones that are fun, you know. Hey
1:00:39
Heather.
1:00:41
I want to apologize. My bad.
1:00:44
That's what Chris like it. He likes when
1:00:46
you apologize. That's his thing.
1:00:50
No, Chris do too. Chris like it.
1:00:53
But I just
1:00:54
I just like Cole, man. I love Cole in
1:00:57
the air.
1:00:57
I love Cole, yeah.
1:00:58
Yeah, yeah, man. And Kendrick, man.
1:00:59
Oh, you have your own publishing
1:01:00
company?
1:01:01
Yes. Yes, because a lot of times, you
1:01:03
know, as as athletes and and
1:01:05
entertainers, I've seen a lot of
1:01:08
black and brown men and women IP
1:01:11
be undervalued. And so I've taken a lot
1:01:13
of athletes with me over these 12 years
1:01:15
of writing and kind of
1:01:18
I want them to empower themselves. Like
1:01:19
a A of athletes should just write their
1:01:21
own book, put a team together, and and
1:01:22
empower yourself. And so, I've shown
1:01:24
some people and I have some athletes
1:01:26
coming out soon. I have some parents,
1:01:27
you know, think about the parents that
1:01:29
raised these kids. You know, you talk
1:01:30
about single mothers. The illest
1:01:33
athletes of alive have been raised by
1:01:35
single mothers. What's their story? I
1:01:37
want to know by God's grace their story.
1:01:39
Like, you know,
1:01:41
people we they got to share it because
1:01:43
there's somebody out there going through
1:01:44
the exact same thing that just need a
1:01:46
little bit of inspiration by seeing that
1:01:47
you put it down, you know? So, hopefully
1:01:49
we can inspire that way, you know,
1:01:51
telling our stories, man.
1:01:52
Chris Webber, you got to love him, man.
1:01:53
Give this man a big round of applause,
1:01:55
man.
1:01:56
You're a universe, baby.
1:01:57
You already know, baby. You're a
1:01:58
citizen.
1:01:58
YOU'RE A CITIZEN.
1:01:59
YOU'RE A CITIZEN,
1:02:01
DAVID. YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE.
1:02:05
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