[EP 44] Interview with Bella Perron

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Okay, in the next episode uh of Denim
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podcast, we have Bella Peron uh monster
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player on the on the guitar. Uh Mestro
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Vuo, I don't know uh what to say for,
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you know, for a guitarist of this of
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this range. Uh thank you for for coming
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uh on the show.
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Thank you so much for having me and for
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all the kind words too. I really
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appreciate it. of course you're, you
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know, amazing guitar player. I heard I
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told you that I'm going to listen to it
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a few times, the new single. It was um
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it was amazing.
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Thanks. I really appreciate it. I'm so
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excited that Mirrors is out now.
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Yeah. So, you're promoting it now? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It just came out a couple
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days ago. Uh it's my second or second
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solo single. Um Enlightened came out the
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month before and it's been a really
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exciting time.
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Yeah. you're um um right away on the on
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the single. I wanted to to ask you about
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because you you mentioned the first
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second solo single, but you you did have
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have have an EP uh 5 years ago, right? I
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I I read in your biography.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. I I should say
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sorry my recent solo singles. I first
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did like my very first recording project
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was an instrumental EP um when I was
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like 17 and that was such an amazing
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learning experience and my first time
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you know really taking all these songs I
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had written and getting them across the
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finish line. Um and looking back it's
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definitely um like a I'm seeing it more
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as kind of like a snapshot of my playing
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at that time and my writing at that
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time. Uh, and it's been really cool kind
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of circling back five years later now
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doing more instrumentals and just seeing
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how much I've grown since. And so I'm
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excited to continue writing and
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recording and just uh continuing to get
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better.
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Yeah. Yeah, of course. Uh, that's how I
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wanted to start the interview uh cuz cuz
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I saw your post when Ace Freely died.
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Rest in peace. God bless him. He was
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Yeah. He was also one of my heroes,
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rock and roll heroes, you know. But
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you an absolute icon. Absolute icon.
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Yeah. I I I uh saw that you that you
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play guitar because of him. I mean,
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yeah. I started playing when I was five.
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Um, and I mean a big part of it was
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because I grew up in a musical household
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and there's guitars all around, but
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really the band that got me into it is
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watching live videos of Kiss as a little
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kid and seeing videos of Ace and just
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thinking like I want to do that, you
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know, that's just there still there's
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nothing that even comes close to how
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cool that is, you know, everything from
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like just his stage presence and his
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look and outfits and then you get into
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like the tone and the phrasing and how
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all of everything he plays is so
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memorable. That's definitely I mean out
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of all of like the music I was exposed
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to is like at a really young age that
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was the first band that like really hit
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me that was like made me want to pick up
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a guitar.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Kiss are one
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of the uh the biggest American bands I
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think.
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Oh yeah, true.
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Uh but uh Ace Ace Ace has a he has a
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funny quote. Uh he he he said like uh I
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remember he said like uh if uh if I knew
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that we were going to be this big I
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would have practiced more.
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I've heard that one before.
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It's funny though cuz I mean just his
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playing and phrasing it's so unique that
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it's like you know you could put in so
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many hours but I'm sorry like you can't
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match his verd or his feel like there's
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just nothing like it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh it's very
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interesting about musicians like him and
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like maybe I talked to one to one
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drummer on my show about Peter Chris
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from Kiss, you know, the drummer and
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about also Ace Freley. They they say
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they're sloppy, but no, you cannot uh
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you cannot copy him, you know, it's very
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hard to copy. Yeah,
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exactly. That's something that
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definitely like it inspired me so much
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like once I started playing you know I
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got into all the virtuoso players but
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that really resonated with me especially
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first started was like the attitude
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behind those notes you know like when
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you you listen to those solos like yeah
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there might be things here and there but
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it's like the energy of it like you
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can't match that.
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Yeah. Yeah. Uh when when did you start
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playing in bands? Were you maybe 13, 14
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maybe?
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Yeah. So, I had started um I'm from a
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small town where there really wasn't a
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whole lot of like a local band scene
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growing up. Um so, I mean I started with
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I would sit in with like my dad's bands
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where we played in a bunch of different
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tribute bands and cover bands. Um, and I
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started doing that when I was like I
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would do some like things here and there
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starting when I was like seven and then
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by the time I was like 13 it would be
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like sneaking in to play the bars and uh
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that sort of deal and then starting to
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jam with you know friends and high
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school and all that. Um, so that was
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really my introduction into starting to
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play live. Um, and at the same time it
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was because there really wasn't a whole
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whole lot of like a young rock scene. Um
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I started playing like you know guitar
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in like school jazz bands and then I
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started sitting it in even for like um
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accompanying like choirs and stuff just
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to get the playing experience and I'm
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one of those things I'm so glad I did it
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looking back where it got me exposed to
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so many different styles um and learning
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to like you know be pretty quick with
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reading charts and working with
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different types of groups and um
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definitely something that expanded my
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horizons for sure.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Uh
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but maybe first professional band was
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you in in plush right?
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Yes.
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Yes. That was f first professional band
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touring experience and yeah
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after touring with uh with with uh that
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band you toured with a lot of a bunch of
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great bands like Evan Essence like uh I
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don't know huge bands right how was how
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was connecting with those big bands did
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you learn anything from from them you
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know
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oh my gosh I learned so much so much
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just being around you know musicians of
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that caliber and seeing what goes into
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the productions of that size, you know,
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everything that goes on behind the
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scenes and seeing um everything from,
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you know, the text to Front House to
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everyone involved. Um it really opened
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my eyes to, you know, what goes into
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those big rock shows. It was definitely
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really inspiring uh to be around. I
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learned a lot a lot for sure. Even just
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being a a fly on the wall.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. you
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you know the the backstage experience is
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uh is uh maybe 50% of of anything that
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happens on stage, right?
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Oh, for sure. I mean, definitely
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starting to tour it was realizing, you
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know, the the performing part is the one
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hour of the day. It's the other 23 hours
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of constantly going and traveling and
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working. Um but it's it's a lifestyle I
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love, you know, and it's especially, you
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know, now touring with the Midnight
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Cowgirls. um that experience of like
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yeah you everyone's you put in a lot of
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work um those remaining hours of the day
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but you get on stage and it's like oh
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this is this is why we do it you know
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yeah yeah yeah you're still uh I mean
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you're still living on on it's on the
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east coast of uh of America right
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yeah I'm still living in Maine right now
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um but the I'm playing in bands that are
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based in LA so I'm doing a lot a lot of
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flying at the moment a lot of back and
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forth. Um, but it's really been an
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exciting time branching out and doing um
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between gigs and sessions. Uh, flying a
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lot to LA and Nashville, too.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where the musicians
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are. Uh,
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uh, how how did you what was your
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experience with with Berkeley uh,
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College of Music? I mean, you had uh you
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had music experience before that, but uh
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did it improve your uh solos and your uh
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your uh composing and stuff?
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Oh my gosh. Yeah. Um so I went to
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Berkeley, you know, technically for a
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year. I graduated high school in uh
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spring of 2020. So not the best timing
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to be trying to move out to college uh
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where campus was closed because because
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of COVID and all that. So I was taking
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as many Zoom classes as I could. Um and
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even remotely it was I have to say like
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one of the most pivotal years so far in
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like my playing of the amount of growth
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I made um from really just all day every
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day is guitar. Um I grew so much as a
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you know not just a player but also like
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just appreciating so many different
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styles and things that go into like
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arranging and harmony. Um, it's where I
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really fell in love with like that side
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of the composing as well. Um, and
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definitely between that and like
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studying Scott to really taking, you
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know, all the private lessons, I saw my
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playing, you know, go from here to here
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of now studying a bunch of different
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styles and really just playing the
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guitar all day every day.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did it did it uh
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got you into into the uh different
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genres and different style like like for
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example Prague rock or Prague metal that
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you want to do maybe in the future like
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more and more you know.
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Yeah. And if anything too, it was like I
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mean especially growing up I listened
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to, you know, under that rock and metal
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umbrella pretty much all of the subg
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genres, but really diving into different
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things too like looking at jazz charts
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or I started reading like um Boach
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violin sonatas on guitar and figuring
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out you know it was funny because that's
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when I really got into like
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understanding like arpeggio runs and all
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that whereas like yeah I had like the
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Joe Stump book at me working out at the
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same time but seeing how that same like
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theory and those same concepts were
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applied across classical and metal and
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jazz and fusion and all how it all kind
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of blends together. Uh it's definitely
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been a huge like inspiration when I am
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writing of like taking from all these
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different ideas of things I've been you
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know had the opportunity to study over
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the years.
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Yeah. Yeah. Very very interesting for
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me. That's that's why I ask you because
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uh you you are going from for example
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playing with the rockabilly uh legend
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Slim Jim right
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uh so uh into Prague rock you know it's
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a very very big variety of of
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musicianship in your in your character
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you know
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thank you I appreciate that and it's
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definitely something too of like having
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the opportunity to continue growing and
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to continue pushing that envelope of um
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for me rockabilly was new to me of Of
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course, it was some like I love
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listening to the Stray Cats and like I
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always looked up to Brian Settzer's
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playing, but when I started really
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getting in there learning like the
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nuances and all that, I I had a moment
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of like, oh, I am in over my head. How
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am I going to do this? Um, but
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definitely just putting the time in.
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It's crazy how it's just another
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experience that totally expands kind of
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your perspective on phrasing and chord
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structure um and voicings. Um, you know,
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it's funny enough too, like after really
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focusing on learning stuff for like
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playing the rockabilly shows, going into
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something like playing metal licks, I
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notice all of a sudden like my right
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hand is tighter from doing all of like
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the uptempo like rockabilly stuff, which
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is something was really kind of exciting
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to see how like, you know, really
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throwing yourself into one genre, you
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start to notice improvements in other
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areas, too.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh because uh uh
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maybe maybe the in the more simpler uh
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styles like Rockabilly or like AC/DC or
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like whatever they know how to make
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arrangement and how to make a good song,
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you know.
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Oh my gosh. Yeah. And it's same idea of,
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you know, regardless of the style, it's
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like the feel that goes into it and the
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attitude cuz it's like you can hit the
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right notes, but it's how you play them.
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I think that's like a famous quote. Um,
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and that's definitely the biggest thing
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I've really learned within the past year
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is like how, okay, I can like get the
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patterns under my fingers, but then how
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do I play it like I mean it? Um, so
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that's been a really exciting thing to
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dive into for something like Rockabilly
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where it's so different for me.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so uh when did you
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decide to uh to do a solo album that
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you're preparing now and to go single by
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single? Uh uh was it was it was the
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first single uh the the uh Phantom of
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the Opera or that was that was another
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thing?
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Yeah, that was a collaboration I did a
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couple years ago with Diego Vargas.
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Um absolutely incredible player,
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incredible friend and it was such a fun
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project and going into like the metal
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side of things really pushed me um with
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like doing like all the sweet picking
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harmonies. It was it was a workout but
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it it was a fun one to record. Um, so it
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was I mean pretty much after recording
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my instrumentals back in 2020, uh, 2019,
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2020, I knew it was something I wanted
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to revisit and I had written a bunch as
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like honestly just as an outlet being
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creative. Um, kind of like a journal of
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like really not intending for it to come
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out at all, just a project for to to
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have for fun. Um, and all these demos
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kind of keep stacking up in my computer
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and I'm like, you know, I should do
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something with this at some point. Um,
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and it became this thing that kind of
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keeps building and it became an
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opportunity to work with um, like just
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incredible session players and I've
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really been enjoying taking the process
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like song by song, really following it
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through start to finish, like working
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with different teams and each kind of
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song taking on a life of its own. Um, so
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that's definitely as this album's
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starting to shape up. It's been a
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combination of that and then
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collaborating with amazing players like
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Jenny Luke. Uh, we just put out an
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instrumental in August, too, uh, called
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Empress in Overdrive. So, it's been a
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lot of just really taking this writing
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and recording this album as an
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opportunity to explore and continue
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pushing myself as a musician.
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Yeah, I saw I saw that you're enjoying
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in the studio on the on the last uh
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video uh the last single Mirrors. Uh so
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uh uh you plan to to go video by video,
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single by single until the full album or
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you're planning to release it uh before
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that?
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Um I'm planning at the moment probably
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another single before the full album.
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Um, but it's definitely all shaping
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together and ideally if I can do a video
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for each song where each song is its own
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sort of different feel. Um, that's
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definitely the the idea of really taking
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this time to take my time and be really
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creative with it and explore all these
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different kind of crazy ideas that pop
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into mind. So, um, that's yeah, that
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it's funny. It's still kind of in the
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air of like it's going to be a full
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album. Um, in the process of recording
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the rest right now. Um, but yeah, most
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likely a video for every song. That's
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that's the goal.
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So, you're old school because you like
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albums. I I see young uh people like
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you, for example, they don't bother to
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to release album. They just drop songs
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on Spotify, you know.
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Yeah. And it's definitely one of those
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things like where you have to kind of
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cater to like the digital structure of
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releasing music now. Um, and it is a
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really cool way to be able to put out
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things out single by single instead of
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you have to wait years to get, you know,
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the next album or the next piece of
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music. Um, but I definitely am a bit old
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school in the sense that like I like
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having the tangible record. I like
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seeing how all the songs fit together
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and it kind of takes you on a ride. Um,
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whether it's a concept album or not,
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it's like a really cool kind of snapshot
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of the artist at that point. Um, so
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that's what I've had in mind of like
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doing a full album for instrumentals.
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Um, and that's why, yeah, taking it
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single by single and starting out with
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the um, each individual release, but
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it's all kind of building into an album.
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Yeah, I see that you that you have a lot
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of uh, uh, views and comments and a lot
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of support uh, for for your last single.
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So, I think you're going to you're going
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to do well in the digital world, you
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know.
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Thank you. I really appreciate it and I
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am absolutely blown away by the response
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and especially putting out first solo
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songs and it's instrumental. Um I really
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was in it was one of those things kind
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of putting it out just to kind of say I
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did it you know check it off the bucket
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list. Um and seeing the amount of you
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know views and just positive feedback
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and u just the response it's absolutely
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humbling and I'm very very thankful.
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Yeah, I yeah, I saw fans u some of the
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fans that are commenting that it's like
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Stevie Vi, it's like uh Joseani. To me,
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it's it's not. Maybe you have something,
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you know, like like an inspiration, but
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you have different color, you know,
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different arrangement. I uh it's it's
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not it's not the same.
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Thank you. I appreciate that. And it's
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definitely it's definitely surreal to
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see comments like saying that's like
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Steve I mean that's V and Satch are like
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my heroes. Um but it's definitely
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something too kind of drawing influence
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also from growing up listening to
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classic rock and players like Jeff Beck
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and Noodle Bettin Court and Slash. Um
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and kind of just finding my sound and
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style as a writer as I keep keep going.
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Yeah. Yeah. That that unique color of
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your of your guitar you Yeah. you're
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that you're searching for. Yeah.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Uh is it going to be uh maybe or maybe
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you won't tell me uh is it going to be
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uh all instrumental album or you're
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going to have singing somewhere?
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For this record it's going to be all
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instrumental. Um, definitely. Who knows
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what the next record will hold, but for
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right now it's um when I started
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thinking about doing, you know, going
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all in on a solo record, I'm like, I
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want to do something, you know, like I I
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think of as a kid listening to Surfing
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with the Alien for the first time or
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Passionate Warfare and just that journey
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or Blowby-blow at Jeff Beck of, you
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know, not a word is said that whole
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record and you're just taking on a ride.
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And I'm like, if I can do something like
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that with my writing, especially for the
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first record, uh that's that's the
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vision.
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Yeah. Yeah, that that's a good one. Uh
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do you do do you sing?
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I do a little bit. Um definitely with
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like uh especially with the net cowg
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girls, I do a lot of backing vocals and
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harmonies. Um but I mean guitar is
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definitely the number one. It's like I
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can sing if needed. Uh but definitely
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don't see myself as a vocalist.
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Yeah. I meant for the future for doing a
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record where you sing but I don't I
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don't know if you going to do it you
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know maybe you you will have you will
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have some singer to
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who knows yeah it would be amazing to
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collaborate with singers too so it's
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definitely one of those things like time
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will tell for sure.
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Yeah. Do do you are all the musicians
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going to be the same on every song on
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your album or or or no?
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It's been different so far actually. So
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um for the first two Yeah. The first two
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singles um or one with Empress and
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Overdrive and then uh Enlighten. Well,
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yeah. The same drummer um Johannes Grit
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Shocker um on drums was just absolutely
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incredible. Um on I bass I played I play
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bass on Enlighten um and then we had
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Adam Jimenez on bass uh for Emerson and
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Overdrive. Um and so it's been an
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awesome experience too like working with
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um friends especially you know Jenny as
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well and then for mirrors um it was kind
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of really kind of keeping it close to
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like close to home in New England which
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is really special to me. Um where it was
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co-produced by my mentor Scott Terului
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uh and we had Kevin Figerero from
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Extreme on drums and Tom Apple on bass.
20:03
Um so that was a really really special
20:06
session. I getting to track like in a
20:08
live room as a trio with players that
20:11
I'm a huge fan of was definitely like a
20:13
surreal experience.
20:14
Wow. But so that means that you you not
20:17
recording the whole album from you know
20:20
from once. You you go from studio to
20:22
studio maybe or Yeah.
20:24
Yeah. Yeah. So far it's a album's about
20:27
halfway done and it's been a studio to
20:30
studio kind of um there's definitely
20:32
yeah figuring out like the finishing out
20:35
the rest of the record of kind of the
20:38
everything's written is just deciding
20:40
where we're recording the rest of it. Um
20:43
but yeah, it's been it's again taking it
20:46
as an opportunity to just branch out and
20:48
work in different studios and work with
20:50
different players and uh continuing
20:52
learning as I go through the process.
20:54
Wow. Amazing. Because uh as as uh songs
20:59
go by and as as years go by, you're
21:02
playing with uh even bigger and bigger
21:05
legends, you know, that that you that
21:07
you said now.
21:08
Thank you. Yeah, it's been an absolute
21:10
honor to to just have the opportunity to
21:13
play with such incredible players. I
21:14
feel like every session or gig and
21:17
rehearsal, it's like you there's always
21:18
something, you know, important to learn
21:20
from it and that pushes me.
21:22
Are you are you planning to put off to
21:24
put on a band after the the album is
21:26
released and to tour maybe?
21:29
Yeah, that's definitely a goal for 2026.
21:32
U definitely more is uh in the works and
21:35
I'm excited to share more soon.
21:37
Wow. Okay. So, a bigger band than maybe
21:41
maybe touring only America or or maybe
21:43
the the world. I don't know.
21:45
Uh starting with the States and we'll
21:47
we'll go from there. I think it's
21:49
definitely an exciting time of
21:51
navigating as with a new instrumental
21:54
record in the works and uh sorting out
21:58
instrumental shows in a band. It's a
22:00
very exciting exciting project to be
22:02
diving into and I'm excited to uh be
22:05
very transparent while I'm on the ride
22:07
and figuring all of this out on this
22:09
journey. Um but I'm very excited to be
22:11
playing this stuff live soon.
22:13
Great. Cuz we want to for sure see you
22:16
in Europe, you know. Oh, thank you. That
22:18
would be an absolute dream. That is
22:20
absolutely incredible.
22:22
By the way, I wanted to to ask you from
22:24
the start, Bella Peron sounds European
22:26
to me. Are you maybe from, you know, we
22:29
have roots in Europe or
22:31
I I think so. I mean, my family's kind
22:34
of traced back to like Italian heritage
22:36
and uh French and Canadian too. So, a
22:39
little bit.
22:39
Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to to mention that
22:41
it sounds uh Italian and French, you
22:44
know.
22:45
Exactly. the the name and the last name.
22:47
Yeah.
22:48
Yeah.
22:51
Okay. Okay. Thank you for for being a
22:53
guest on my show. Uh and uh I hope to
22:56
see you again when when your next album
22:58
is when your album is out and we're
23:00
going to talk again. Uh so so thank you
23:03
and wish you all the best in the in the
23:05
future with with the album and uh
23:07
playing.
23:08
Thank you so much and thank you for
23:09
having me. It was great chatting with
23:11
you.
23:12
Of course. I I always want to want to
23:13
talk to to great guitar players. I have
23:16
a bunch of guitar players that I had on
23:19
the show. A lot of great guitar players
23:21
like Joel Hogra, Jen Majura, you know.
23:24
Yeah. A lot of good ones.
23:26
Oh, no way. That's awesome. Well, I'm
23:28
honored to be in such great company.
23:30
Thank you. Thank you.

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