[EP 40] Interview with Johnny Dee from Doro, Tyketto, Britny Fox

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Okay. Uh we're back uh with Denim and Leather podcast after the summer. Uh so we're starting recording of the new
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episodes. This is 40th episode by the way. Um uh we're happy to to announce
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Johnny D from uh Doro here. My t-shirt Doro. Uh also from Britney Fox from
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Taetto. Uh a great drummer back in the day from Wasted. Who who remembers
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Wasted? So we're going to go through whole career with with Johnny now. Thank you Johnny for accepting my invitation.
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Absolutely. Thanks for having me and thanks for the warm welcome on the backstage on the show when we met uh
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this summer in Bulgaria. Yeah, it was a great uh great uh show. Uh you
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kicked us your your drum solo was amazing man. Oh thanks man. That was um for me the a
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great crowd always makes a great drum solo, you know. It's not for me it's more about
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keeping the people keeping the energy going and getting the crowd involved a bit, you know, and that was Man, what a
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night. It was really just a great energy the whole night, you know. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was about maybe 40,000 people. It was amazing. Uh, by the way, uh, I I I love that part
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that you put in there from the from Kiss, you know, in the in the in the solo. Yeah, the I love it loud thing. Yeah,
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I've been doing that forever. And uh, I tried to change it cuz I thought, man,
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I'm just been doing this way too long. And Doro was like, no,
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you can't you can't change it. You can't take it out. You know, I love it. And uh
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so I you know I do it for her and for the all the KISS fans out there and uh
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it's just a great part to get people singing along. Maybe it's becoming some kind of a
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signature for your drum solo. Yeah, a little bit. You know, I kind of had to borrow that. But uh yeah, there
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some other, you know, little things I throw in there, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, if you see
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me a little bit more than happy, I'm happy because Twisted Sister Reunited.
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I see your album back there and I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a huge fan. I like the like they're my favorite band, you
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know, and I just saw I I saw you commented on me on Mitch Leaf uh post
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and uh and I I've known I've known him, you know, and uh and I saw the news at
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his post. So, I was like, "Wow, man. I know this said that they won't tour
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again, but I love that I'm going to see them again, you know. Well, you know, you can't um can never
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say never. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's uh it's a cool thing, you know. I
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know a lot of people are saying, "Oh, they said this and they said that." But if you
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you know, uh people say a lot of things and then they change their mind. So that's all you can really do for the
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fans. It's probably great thing. Yeah. Um you know, those who want to see them
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will get a chance to see them now. And that's uh that's always a good thing. Yeah. While we're while we're talking
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about reunions, I saw a post a few days ago, I think, on Blabbermote about you
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talking about Britney Fox. What's what's happening with that? I mean, it's going to happen or No, never.
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No, I don't think so. Um it's, you know, it's been back and forth so many times
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and so much um sort of h man I mean for
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me it's like I I never really gave up on the idea but uh after the last time
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I think it was closest ever that you know everybody sort of was finally
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communicating which with each other you know. Yeah, cuz disappeared
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for years and didn't, you know, was very uh vocal about the fact that he didn't
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want to do it, you know, but then Michael came out of, you know, out of hiding and he actually called Dean and
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spoke to him and I thought, "Wow, you know, somebody's maybe Mike's finally getting through." But, uh, in the end,
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it didn't happen. And um I think you know the chances are very slim. I don't
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think it will happen at this time. You know it's we've gotten so far past the time of when we should have
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done it, you know. So I leave it up to those guys. You
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know, I'm here. I'm still playing. I feel good about, you know, playing. I
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would love to do that for the fans as well. just as we were saying with with Twisted, you know, there's just fans out
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there that would want to see the band and hear those songs again and uh you know, the only way to do it is to do it
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with as many people from the original thing as possible. So, you know, but
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that uh it's a long winded way of saying, you
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know, I pretty much said that it wouldn't happen and that's kind of how I feel right now.
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One of the questions that I wanted to ask you, but it was like later on in the interview, but uh now I'm going to ask
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you because we're talking about Britney Fox. Yeah. Uh did did you uh they once reunited
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without you? Why why it happened without you, you know? Yeah. Um well, what happened was after
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the band decided to just basically call it a day after I think it was around
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91 or 92, no 2000, we did a a couple things where, you
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know, interest was starting to peak up again. And uh there was all of a sudden some opportunities for that era of bands
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to go out and play again, you know, cuz it's it was impossible for us to tour
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because we just we weren't a weren't big enough, b weren't making enough money to
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survive, you know, on a longer tour. Yeah. So, you know, all these things
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started popping up like some 80s festivals and cruises and things and
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weekend shows at casinos, which a lot of the ' 80s bands could finally
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uh could finally do, you know, and get out there and play on the weekends and
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then go back home and all that kind of stuff. So, um we did that in 2000.
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uh did a live record and um yeah, then we kind of went to sleep again. And
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while while that was happening, uh the bass player Billy
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uh went and did some research on the name and the trademark and realized that
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it was expired. So, he just took it upon himself to trademark it in his own name.
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So now he owns the name and he went out with a bunch of, you know, guys that he
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hired to just be Britney Fox, which, you know, to the rest of us wasn't really
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fair or uh true. You know, it wasn't really Britney Fox. But you know at this time
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in history you know whoever owns the name or whoever can use the name is
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basically like you know yeah something that like that happened
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with red and with LA guns and stuff like that. Yeah. Many bands have uh you know not
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only fought over you know being a band but also now you have that kind of thing
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in the mix where it's like okay we're performing as so and so but we're not
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really so and so or there's one member or you know this guy thinks he owns the
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name but the other one feels like he has the right to use it. So, it's it's just
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a [ __ ] show, you know, and I wish it wasn't the case, but uh it's really,
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you know, that's how it kind of started. And then
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in 2018, uh, you know, Billy and, uh, his manager
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at the time approached me about trying to do it, you know, to
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the best of our abilities with with me and Tommy Paris involved cuz Dean and
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Michael didn't want to didn't want to tour. Um, so yeah, we did some stuff
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together. uh as Britney Fox in 2018 or so. And um
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yeah, that didn't last very long either. You know, it always seems to be,
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you know, as soon as we get together, we kind of fall apart again. you know, just
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because of a lot of old [ __ ] that comes up or just the fact
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that, you know, it's been so long since we've been together and putting up with
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one another and trying to make music together. It's like everybody has different opinions and
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you know they always kind of get in the way or you know somebody feels like
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they're not really getting their fair share you know about writing or
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whatever. I know Tommy Paris was you know a little bit um feeling that
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way about you know trying to submit songs that weren't really getting
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getting any response. So, it's, you know, it's all this kind of political
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personal [ __ ] that goes on, you know, that keeps bands from just getting
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together and having fun and making music and Yeah. Yeah. That's really what it should be, you
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know. Yeah. But sometimes it's not that simple. Yeah. It reminds me on the
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years's long uh awaited tour, I mean awaited reunion of Sebastian Bach and
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Skidro, you know. Same same. Yeah. Well, I think that, you know,
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that band in in particular has made it very clear, you know, that they have no
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no interest in on the band side, you know, that they want to want to be back in dealing with
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that again. So, you know, that's something they've always said and they've always stuck to. So, it's, you
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know, at least the fans, they have a clear idea even though they want it so bad. Yeah,
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they do know that it's, you know, the chances are pretty much zero, you know,
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because they they went this far without it and they're just going to probably continue that way. But,
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you know, it's it's so complicated. It's uh and the only, you know, the people that suffer are the are the fans
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that would like to see it, you know, and hear it. Yeah. Johnny, I wanted to start off the
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interview with uh but we went another direction but I wanted to start uh from
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which age uh are you into music into drums uh in particular? Uh you started
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pretty early. Pretty early. Not as man I see some kids
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now and it's like my mind is blown you know five 6 years old it was like these
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kids are just unbelievable you know but me it was more
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interested maybe at that age but not I didn't start really playing until maybe
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well I don't know um
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10 or 12 like 15 yeah a Seriously, a little bit more like 15.
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Yeah. Um because you know we didn't have all this uh you pretty much had to like
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either take lessons from a an old jazz player or you know a marching
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instructor you know but uh for if you wanted to play rock and roll it wasn't you know any of these school of rock or
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or YouTube videos for you know for days and days. It's just like you had to kind
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of figure it out for yourself, you know, and that's kind of what I did. Um, was
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really more into like motorcycles and and doing crazy stuff. And then I finally broke my leg one summer and I
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just sat around the house and uh was like I really had nothing else to do. I
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couldn't even walk so I could at least sit down at the drums and kind of teach myself.
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had finally sat down and uh taught myself some real, you know, uh real uh
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ways to play certain things. So, um yeah, and that was about 12 or 13. And
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then from there, you know, you start to jam with some kids from the neighborhood
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or whatever and and you just keep going and learning. And uh but for me it was
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always um yeah playing with other musicians and uh
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not as much shedding on my own, you know, and see
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uh again a lot of the the younger generation, the YouTubers, man, and just like, you know, burning the whole day
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playing and learning and practicing and all that. But uh back when I was doing it, it was, you know, we kind of
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sort of learned a harder way, you know. But uh in in doing that, it was
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you learn a different kind of thing, you know. I got so much better when I started to play with other people,
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especially guys that were a couple years older than me. And uh really learned a lot. And I
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learned about a lot of bands that I didn't know about. You know, those guys turned me on to, you know, I
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was into Deep Purple and Rush. Not actually not Rush. That was one of the
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bands they turned me on to, but I was into Kiss and Alice Cooper and a lot of
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other things. Um, and then yeah, then came the bands that, you know, sort of
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in the Prague direction, you know, where you really got to have your [ __ ] together to play
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Yeah. play those songs, you know. So, that was a learning process. But, uh, yeah, I
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enjoyed that time. So maybe your uh first I mean you had
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bands in the early ' 80s, but maybe your first big band was wasted or
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I would say um the first real professional band, you know, was wasted
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because I left home for that gig. uh made a record with for a major label and
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I also played with some legendary people, you know. Right before that, I
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was in a band called World War II, which was not the LA band, but a band from
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Pennsylvania. Uhhuh. That was a metal early metal band that was kind of ahead of their time. And
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they had um built up quite a following around the Pennsylvania area. And they
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also got a lot of mentions in, you know, back in the day in these black and white
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fanzines and things that were happening at that time in cassette trading and
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whatnot. So they got like a little mention in Karang and all the metal metal forces magazine and all these like
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underground metal magazines in there. Yeah. We actually did a record for a
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French label called Axe Killer and they put out uh an album for the band and that was
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kind of like almost there, you know. Was it was it thr metal? Thresh metal?
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No, it was more uh it was just
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more uh heavy, you know, heavy rock in the vein of like
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priest or um you know, but melodic and very anthemic,
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you know, a lot of their choruses had like big anthems, you know.
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um I wouldn't say man of war but I mean something along those early8s lines
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and um yeah so that was something that a little bit of a step up from the local
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scene or playing cover music and stuff like that. I mean I had started to get
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into these bands that were writing their own music and and stuff like that. But
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yeah, Wasted was the first real professional gig. I mean, that was
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big bigger band. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got to tour, you know, uh, play
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arenas and a couple stadiums and and you be performing with these guys that just
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one year before I was listening to UFO albums and seeing them live, you know, open for
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Aussie or, you know, wherever they were on tour, you know,
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Pet Pete Weey was in Wastel Great. Yeah, Pete Weey pretty much started the band and then
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later right before I joined he got Paul Chapman from UFO back together um to
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play in in Wasted with him and uh yeah
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and that's uh where I met Danny Vaughn. So we started together in that band.
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Yeah. You know what I wanted to ask you too? I think Wasted toured with Iron Maiden in '86.
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You you you was you you were on the tour, right? Yeah, I was. Uh well, they actually did
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a couple uh tour. They did some stuff I think even earlier with Maiden in the UK
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when Finn was still singing with them. But when Danny and I joined, which was
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85, 86, 87, we did uh support Iron Maiden in
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a couple Eastern block. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that's what I wanted to ask you. Did you play in
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Yugoslavia in Belgrade? Yeah. Yes, I know. I know about that show. So I I have friends that were on that show,
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dude. That was like one of the first I mean I had barely been out of America,
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you know. I went to England, I'd gone to Italy a few times with my family and um
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all of a sudden, you know, we're like in these communist countries.
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Yeah. And behind the iron curtain, as you would say. And uh more man, that was
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Yeah. Well, if you played if you played uh uh Poland and Czech and stuff like
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that, you know, that was the AR, but Yugoslavia was a little lighter socialism, not you know, not like uh the
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other communist countries like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, basically, I
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mean, I I, you know, learned some learned uh a lot of history
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by going to play rock and roll, you know, cuz uh I didn't pay attention in school, but
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boy, when you you know, you go through a border and there's like armed guards and
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guys with machine guns and [ __ ] and you're like, "Hey, dudes, have a t-shirt." You know, the maiden guys
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would go through and give these guys all kinds of swag and and t-shirts and stuff
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and, you know, they would see their faces light up, you know, cuz they're basically just kids, you know, and they,
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you know, may not even even wanted to be there, but they were doing their jobs. And, uh, you know, you might see them at
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concerts. And you know, I met so many people on that early touring,
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you know, that uh like I said, it was a is a history lesson and a and you know,
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a lesson in in life really. Yeah, that's that's uh those are good uh
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good times to be a a musician, you know, like a touring musician. Uh uh
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afterwards you you started with Britney Fox of course after Wasted, right?
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Yeah, that's right. Did you get uh uh what what level? I
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mean I I I listened to Britney Fox, but I I was not uh I was a kid in the 80s,
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so I don't know which level of popularity Britney Fox had. Did you guys went platinum with the records and
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stuff? Well, the first album uh went gold, which is 500,000, and um we were
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just about almost at platinum with that one. I think we were around 800,000
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albums, and our label decided to make us stop touring and go make a
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second record. But um the thing with Britney Fox that was a little bit deceiving is that, you know,
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we were one of the sort of MTV bands, you know, um because we didn't have any
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big radio hits or anything like that. We had some singles which were videos which
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actually just we sold you know probably 98% of our records
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from people who had seen us on MTV you know. Yeah. So that was great and also not so great
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because you know if you don't have MTV or you MTV all of a sudden doesn't play
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your videos anymore then people kind of forget about you you know. Yeah. though we didn't have enough
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uh momentum at that time to really carry us forward but you know we did you know
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that's a lot of records at that time you know and today it's like people you know
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don't really sell that much and we had a really good chance to you
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know to be seen and to be heard a lot of cool tours we toured were, you know, uh,
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arenas with, uh, Poison and Rat and Joan Jet, and we did a huge gig in Japan with
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Bon Joy and, uh, yeah, we had a a really really great start, but then, you know, um, the
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other thing with with MTV bands is kind of like they, you know, they blew out of
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there pretty quickly, you know, there was just so much coming and going, overexposure.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but you know, by the second album that we did, we were
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having our own difficult problems within the band, which kind of led to uh things
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going downhill pretty quickly. Uh,
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also the '90s came and, uh, the grunge era hit, right? I suppose that was
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also also a problem. Yeah, that was the timing was was definitely bad in that
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case. And uh so for us it was double a double whammy. You know, our second
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album didn't really take off as as quickly as the first one. And you know,
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we started secondguing everything and then we had a lot of problems within the personalities of the band. So all those
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things combined uh pretty much you know were weighing the band down and uh yeah
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how did how did you guys get the name? The name came about through uh the
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singer uh Dean Davidson. He claimed that he had seen some
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uh names in a in his Welsh ancestry and he was looking up old family members
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and he saw a girl by the name of Brittany Fox and he just thought, "Well, that's a great name, but I I'll shorten
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it. Just say Britney." Yeah. You know, uh and it had a ring to it.
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And then he came up with it, you know, cuz of the time that this name existed,
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you know, and then it would be like the stage clothes kind of were modeled around that era and stuff
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like that. So it had, you know, a little bit of a thing of its own. Yeah. That uh we could say, "Hey, we stick out
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just a little bit more from all the other bands, you know, and that was kind of the the concept.
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if it's a it's a good it's a nice uh concept. Uh I I like that uh because
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historically, you know. Yeah. I mean it works, you know. Sometimes you got to have,
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you know, just got to have something to set yourselves apart from Yeah.
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from the others. You know, some people light themselves on fire. I mean, some people
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wear women's clothing. I mean, it's like whatever it takes, right? True, true,
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true, true. Uh, when the '9s hit you, you you you started with Doro, right?
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Yeah. In 93. 93. And you are how many? 32 years now?
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32. Yeah. Wow, man. That's uh So that's your that's your biggest uh probably your
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lifetime achievement, right? I mean, uh, it's I mean, it's pretty amazing to
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stay, you know, in any band for a long length of time, but the fact that, um,
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Doro celebrated her 40-year anniversary, stage anniversary, and it was my 30th
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year in the band. So, it's like crazy to think that I've been with her, you know,
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3/4 of her career. Yeah. Um, but you know, that's just a testament to her
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her power and her longevity and the fact that she's been cool enough to keep me around for so long.
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Yeah. Amazing. You guys are great partners in in crime.
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She's she's amazing singer. Uh, and you probably play on on I don't know some of
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my favorite albums from her. Uh, do you wait when was uh I remember I I liked
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that uh that pop metal kind of album Cool Love, but I don't remember which
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year was that? Was that on the the Doro record that uh Jean Simmons produced or was that on
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True and Heart? Now I can't even
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The album was called Cool Love, but it was uh like a like a black white
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portrait of her. It it was early it was early '90s.
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Yeah, maybe like 1990 or 91 probably. But it was like a pop metal,
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but it was a good one. Yeah, she did. I mean, um it's kind of ahead of her time. She did a record in
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Nashville before any rock people were really going there. Now it's like a, you
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know, all these rock people live there and do all kinds of stuff there. But Doro, you
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know, she was always kind of branching out once she Warlock kind of was over
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and she kind of went solo and um she just liked to experiment and try a lot
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of different things and uh yeah, so she, you know, she did that record in
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Nashville with some big names and uh yeah, some great songs on on there, too.
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Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Love it. Uh, so are you maybe recording now something with
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Doro or? Uh, well, I personally not. I mean, Doro works in
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a little bit of a different way as a as a solo artist. she,
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you know, if she finds somebody that she kind of vibes with, she may, you know,
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she's got a producer, uh, Andreas Brun, who lives in Hamburg, and, um, she works
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with him a lot, just one on-one. Yeah. And they'll come up with songs and and
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act sometimes actually record them and finish them all in one, you know, with
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program drumming and whatnot. and I may learn that, you know, song at some point
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and then replace drums or do whatever. But a lot of the records are done sort
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of like when when she has time to go do a few songs, she'll do that and then she gets back on tour or she's got other
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things going on. So we never really know what the recording schedule will be, you
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know, but we've done some, you know, we've had a few songs which we wrote all together as a band just
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sitting in the room jamming and that, you know, like on the fight album, if
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you're familiar with that. There was a couple band songs on there and and or
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she just takes submissions from each band guy as far, hey, do you have any riffs? you know, I like that one. Let me
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write some lyrics to it. And so, it's, you know, it's different. It's
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not like a band that, you know, okay, we got 10 songs. Let's go in and rehearse
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them for a week and then go in the studio. It's like usually, you know, it's made in a different way, but it's
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still, you know, she's got a good sense of how to put it all together in the end and package it
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really nicely for the fans. She loves doing that part of it. and making it special and that's something she's
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really really got a talent for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh also of
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course I wanted to to ask you about how did you become drummer for Taiko? Uh
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that was uh few years ago right? Yeah I think it's my third year now.
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Yeah. Was um Yeah. was uh well late 22 they
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announced that they were going to be uh that Michael
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uh Michael Arbini would uh retire from the road after their final gig on the
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Monsters of Rock cruise in early 23. So, they announced it 3 years ago, but
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really I I've only been playing in the band for two, but still a lot of stuff
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has happened since then. Yeah. And the way that I got into the band was
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for that reason that Michael um wanted to retire from the road. And you know,
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so Danny, I think, figured like, okay, well, I guess that's the end of the band cuz Michael was the, you know, the
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original guy and he was there from day one even when Danny was gone for one
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album or for a few years, you know. So he uh Danny assumed that the band would
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be finished, but Michael was like, "No, dude. You have to you have to keep going, you
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know? you got to continue keep all this work that we did you know you can't just let that die you know so when he had his
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blessing I think he said well I know who to call
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and you know it kind of brought us full circle again because we've always kind
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of remained friendly and and family we started together so it's like
32:50
unbelievable that uh I got the opportunity to to reconnect with Danny
32:57
and uh and to be in this band. You know, we also got a new guitar player at the
33:02
same time. So, Harry Scott Elliot joined the same time as me
33:08
and uh yeah, it's just been great.
33:13
How is your how is your schedule going between them and Doro? You know, it's
33:18
touring and stuff. Yeah, it's been going working out quite well. I I only missed a few gigs uh you
33:27
know maybe like three or four Doro shows um to do the Taiketto stuff
33:35
you know which maybe it was like booked first and then Doro got a festival offer
33:41
like very late and I said you know really sorry I can't do it but she's
33:46
been super cool about it and she also you know a couple of us in the doro band
33:52
have obviously other things going on and uh sometimes it just you know things
33:59
don't you know it's you can't be in two places at the same time but um luckily
34:05
it's worked quite well you know so I'm I'm real grateful for that and that's
34:11
been going really cool. Yeah. Did I did I did I see I mean uh I
34:16
I know uh Jeff Scott Soro supports hero a lot but did did he sing on on some
34:23
gigs? Um, no. I think
34:29
well I know Jeff and Dan are very uh friends for a really long time and they
34:36
may have done some things together or uh but yeah, as far as I know um Jeff
34:43
didn't Yeah. didn't sing and but maybe in a jam or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe is what is something
34:49
like that like support of of the band? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Did you did you uh while
34:57
you're with those bands or with Doro for the 30 years, do you have some side projects working on? I mean, through the
35:05
through the past decades and maybe now. Um well, it's uh with the two bands,
35:11
it's taken up a lot of my time. you know, Taetto just did um we've got a new
35:16
record um ready to come out in March and that was really cool to uh actually
35:24
have some time, you know, to record that and stuff. And uh side projects sometimes uh I have a
35:33
band called the Metal Studs, which is just a metal cover tribute band with
35:38
some guys from the Netherlands. And uh I've done, you know,
35:44
I mean, countless other things, other projects that kind of like seemed like they were going to go somewhere and then
35:51
all of a sudden they didn't go anywhere. But nothing um trying to think, nothing
35:57
major as far as like any big records or anything like that. You know, Doro has
36:03
taken up a lot of my time and sometimes people think, "Oh, he's so busy with them, you know, let's call somebody
36:10
else." And I'm like, so again, I'm real thankful that Danny actually gave me a call cuz he probably
36:16
figured there was no way I would be available, but you know, I am actually available if
36:22
anybody is interested. Yeah. Can never have enough work, you know.
36:30
Okay, Johnny, what's your uh what's your next uh I don't know shortterm maybe
36:37
plan or long-term plan with bands and stuff? Yeah, I guess it would be just to
36:42
continue at this pace. You know, this year was really great. We had uh many
36:48
cool gigs with Doro festivals in the summer and um um no long tours, but it
36:55
actually works out good for me because I can come home for a few days with to spend time with my family.
37:02
Yeah. And then get back out on the road. And Taiketto is still building, so we also
37:07
don't do any long tours, but we've got some really cool stuff in the pipeline
37:13
coming up. And I'm sure once this new record comes out, there'll be even more
37:18
going on. So for me, I still love playing live. So, I just want to, you
37:24
know, focus on the two bands and then during the times when those bands aren't
37:30
uh super busy to, you know, play a little bit on the side or
37:36
create maybe some kind of small band to go out and jam. You know, for us guys
37:41
like that that just make a living from playing or love to play so much, it's kind of like, you know, just tell me
37:48
where the rest where the next gig is and I'll be happy. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay, Johnny, thank you.
37:56
Thank you for for this interview, for this podcast episode, 40th uh episode,
38:02
and uh wish you good luck with everything you do in the in the future. So, we'll talk again. Yeah, I wish you
38:09
all the best, too. Congrats on the 40 episodes and uh I appreciate you having
38:14
me and yeah, it was cool to meet you in person and I hope I see you again in Bulgaria or wherever.
38:21
Where are you located? I'm in I'm next to Bulgaria. I'm in Macedonia. It was a part of Yugoslavia
38:27
back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I asked you about the maiden gig,
38:32
right? I'd like to visit Macedonia. So, we we're we're the same time zone now. I I know you're in Germany. You you
38:39
you're based you you live there or you're I do. Yeah. I moved here about 8 years ago. Oh, okay. Okay.
38:45
Which uh yeah, it's been really cool. It's like I don't have to travel over the ocean to come to
38:51
Yeah, I've been I've been to Germany, but but only in Munich. Nice city.
38:57
Yeah. Where where are you located? Somewhere north of closer closer to Frankfurt. Ah, okay. Okay. Okay.
39:04
Okay, man. Thank you. Thank you for everything and see you see you again on sometime. Yeah, I hope so. I hope we get to play
39:09
Macedonia. That'd be awesome. We'll we'll we'll try something out. Thank you. Yeah, dude. Appreciate it.
39:15
Bye, man. Take care.

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