Watch: CNET's Patrick Holland tests the Trump Phone and answers your questions live

All right, all right, everybody, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome

I'm CNET, Patrick Holland, and this is a live show. It's a live show

It's an all things mobile going all across the CNET group channels. And today we're here to talk about the one, the only, maybe even the infamous Trump phone

But I can't just talk about the Trump phone as I knock things down all by myself

I need someone to join me. So I've asked for probably the best person to help me here

And that is senior executive producer, Noomi. Hello, hello, hello. Hello, hello

You added a title there for me, but you know what? I'll take it. It says right there, senior executive producer

Oh, I thought you said senior. I was like, I'm. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I got you promoted

You got promoted. I'm being honest with you too. Thanks, Patrick. Thanks. It's like we're promoting

All right. So let's talk about this. Yeah, you jump in then

What would we like to, how do you want to do this? No, I'm just, I'm going to ask you some questions from the audience and also some questions that I may have

And, you know, we're here to put you on the spot with this. Great, great, great. I feel like a bit character-toppy with all these props, but hopefully

some of these will be used to answer questions that people might have. Actually, do you want to

run through what props you have? You came prepared. Yeah, I mean, I think the first place is, let's

start with this image here, and this image is, I guess I should hold it here. This was the original

image of the T1 phone by Trump Mobile, nicknamed the Trump phone. And it kind of looked a little

bit like this phone, which is the iPhone 15 or 16 Pro. In fact, this is a very kind of light gold

color. But this one, or the Trump phone on the front looked more like an Android phone. So it had

this kind of almost, I don't know, like if you took like a Galaxy phone and an iPhone and kind

of like mix them together and then were to charge someone $500 for it and then have that phone be

made in the USA, it's like, holy smokes, that's an incredible, incredible thing if someone could

pull that off. However, what we got is this phone, which is the T1 phone from Trump Mobile

I got messages on it. I don't even know how this is possible. Trump mobile phone here

And it's not quite looking like an iPhone. It's not a horrible phone

It looks like a mid-range Android phone. And it costs $500. And I should also say up front that we pre-ordered the phone

I know a lot of people did. and the Trump mobile people expedited our order because we're CNET

And I do hope that other people who ordered it, no matter what your feelings are about the company

or the people who made the phone, are that they get the phone and get what they paid for

because no one deserves to be ripped off. But I'm here to talk about having the phone

I think we've had it less than 24 hours and probably some just general questions. There's been a lot of reactions to our unboxing video

but I think that's a pretty good setup. Yeah, actually, probably the number one thing that was asked is

a lot of people are calling out that this looks very similar to the HTC U24 phone, which was

it's a two or three-year-old phone right now, Chinese-made. Do you see any similarities yourself

How would you test this? How would you go about comparing if this was, you know, dead stock reskinned

Or is that a normal thing for manufacturers? Those are all good questions

So I think the first thing maybe to do is actually refer to the box. Because while this phone was not made in the USA, the box clearly says proudly assembled in the USA

So I don't know what that means. Like maybe parts of it were assembled here and then shipped abroad for final production

Or maybe it was just put in the box here. Maybe the box is proudly assembled in the USA

So I'm not sure what that means. But I don't know of a phone maybe beyond Samsung that's not made in part through China

Like just the way the global phone supply that works. And with Android, what's nice is it's like Taco Bell

You can kind of take different processors might be in like the same or different versions of phones

So you could have like a processor that's in like a OnePlus phone that's in a Samsung phone

phone. And there's other times where we see companies will skin or rebrand a phone like

HTC. Oh my God. I'm spacing out the name. It's not HTC. HTC is what we think this phone looks

like. We should note that HTC in 2024 kind of relaunched with a new phone. Kind of the OG HTC

got acquired by Google and became Pixel. So this phone came out in 2024 called the HTC U24 Pro 5G

I believe. And yeah, there's undoubtedly some similarities to it. And you know what? It wasn't

a horrible phone, but it did not. It wasn't gold. It didn't have Trump Mobile on it, and it didn't

have a pseudo-American flag on the bottom. So it is no doubt that this is a Chinese phone

and get that if I think for a brand I were launching a new phone and I were just to say like hey I want

to do a $500 phone that's affordable and speaks to a particular person's fan base like if you just

said that up front I think you still get a lot of a lot of people interested in the phone and

just acknowledging the realities of what it is to do that but I think back remember when they were

talking about how much it would cost the iPhone to be made in the U.S. Numi do you remember that

talk like last year? I do remember that. Yes. I don't, I don't have the number. Oh, I do. Cause

the number, the number went all over the place depending on what week it was. Uh, but it'd be about like $3,500 to manufacture a phone. And then on top of that, of course, like companies are

going to put, uh, a profit margin. So, uh, I can't imagine how much it would cost to manufacture

this phone from scratch in the United States. Uh, and that speaks maybe more to the, uh, world

where we're in where, yeah, having production and things made in the US is great. And there's

people whose livelihoods depend on that. But I don't know if being able to do that in a few months

because remember, this was supposed to come out last year over like in August or so

is possible. So now we are here with this phone, which undoubtedly looks very HTC-like. And kind

of in our Taco Bell ogy. It has a Snapdragon processor, has 12 gigabytes of RAM. It also

has some other features that are kind of nifty. The software, except for two things, is basically

stock Android 15 which is lovely And then it has things like a headphone jack which is also on the HTC phone It has a SIM card tray and you could even put a micro SD card So if you want to expand the storage in your

T1 phone, you can. But yeah, I think when it gets the software here, and our pin number on this phone

is 1776. It's kind of playing the theme here. We basically have stock Android, stock Google apps

There's two apps that I noticed that were kind of pre-installed. One is called Doc Integrity, which I think I get as being a Trump mobile subscriber now

We get this service, and I've not used it yet. I haven't had a chance to explore

The other one is an app called Truth Social, and I'm not going to be coy about this

We know that this is an app that Trump himself uses as well as people and fans of Trump use

And it got created years ago when he was initially banned from Twitter at the time

So that's the only two details that this is tells that this is not like a stock Android phone

So that's a lot of information, Numi. I'm making weird voice sounds. No, no

So you mentioned Android 15. does that limit the lifespan if it's because we're at android 17 now um so when you are some

if someone is going to purchase this or pre-order this and we don't even know

if it'll ever come out we just have a a media rush copy as it were um what's the lifespan you

would determine from a even a two-year-old operating system and here this is okay so we

There's a couple of things we got to knowledge first. So let's talk really quick about review stuff. So Apple, Samsung, Google, all these companies do give out review units

usually like a week or two before the product goes on sale

There's nothing unordinary about that. But I don't know personally how much smartphone history and manufacturing

that Trump Mobile or the Trump Organization has. So that's the unknown here

Whereas Apple and all these other places, we have so many products we've seen

It's very dependable to be like, hey, they say it's coming out on this date

It likely will. There's very few exceptions to that. I just want to put that out there and be fair

The other thing I would say is if this is a rescanned HTC U24 Pro 5G, there's not a problem with that

But an issue that can happen is software support. And on some of the best Android phones, like ones from Samsung and Google, new phones like that get seven years of OS support

That's like seven major, like going from Android 17 to Android 18 and so on

And seven years of security patches that keeps everything nice and secure on your phone so you can use it safely

Right. We just reviewed the Motorola Razr. the low-end versions of those come out with three years of OS support and software and security

updates. So let's just take an average here. Let's take five years. So if this is based on a phone

from 2024, you can pretty easily do the math. We're already two years into that. So that would

give you maybe three more years' lifespan. And let me just also say something about Android 17

You know what? It just got – it's been in beta for a few months

It will roll out this summer probably when Samsung launches what we expect to be the full Z Fold 8 and Z Flip 8

and when Google launches the Pixel 11 series. But unlike iOS where we kind of see that drop and it hits all the old phones

Android has to go through not only the phone maker itself but also sometimes through carriers

So we are still seeing phones that got released earlier this year being upgraded to Android, or excuse me, late last year getting upgraded to Android 16

And it'll probably be this fall where we start seeing that generally fall on newer phones

So I will, like I said, we got to be fair here. But if this is based on a 2024 phone, you don't have to be a genius to figure out that the software support will be limited

and I should say that we don't have any word on what that software support is from Trump Mobile

Naturally. Okay. So I do have a question from YouTube comment, Paul Harrison, 8379. What is

the processor? I know you sort of name dropped it early on, but let's talk a little bit more about

the specs or the power. I know you only had this for a hot second. So we didn't do too much testing

yet. We didn't. So, and sometimes you'd be able to go into settings on an Android phone and

and take a look at details like what the processor chip is

what the RAM is, how big the battery is. I'm not able to find those details

but I am able to use some apps that can help me find some of them. I should say the HTC U24

whatever, I can't keep saying this. HTC U24 Pro 5G has a Snapdragon 7 Gen 3 chip

and man, mobile people don't come at me in the comments If I got that wrong, I'm pretty sure that's the one it has

And let's talk half a second about that chip. It's a decent chip

It's not the fastest chip, but it's something we would expect to find in a $500 phone

Yeah, not bad. There's no acknowledgement from Trump Mobile or the packaging or the little handy

the book that came with the phone, the instruction manual, only in English, by the way

that mentions what the processor is. When I run a benchmark test like Geekbench 6, it scores very similarly to a Snapdragon 7 Gen 3 chip, but it doesn't come out and say that

It does let me know that this phone has eight cores. So, again, that also would line up with that as well

And it also says 11 gigabytes, which I'm assuming is RAM. So we put that to an even number, it would be 12

So all that adds up to what the rumors are out there and adds up to the HTC U24 Pro 5G

Holy smokes. Who would have thought we're saying all these letters on a freaking live show

Yeah, but let's talk performance for half a second. So I did run a couple benchmark tests on here, and this performs okay

It performs about as fast as the brand-new – it just launched

We just dropped a review today by David Lum. The brand new Motorola Razr 2026 scores about the same as this phone

That phone cost $800, and it's Motorola's low-end Razr. And remember, since the Razr is a folding phone, it's going to cost a little bit more

But I did look back, what are some other phones about this price that this matches

We have the Pixel 10a from Google. That's $499. And that scored just a little bit higher, not much higher

but I would say in the ballpark is this. But if I try to go back to find a flagship phone

that matches this Geekbench score, I'm gonna look back not to 2025 or 2024 or 2023 or 2022

and I gonna start finding some Android phones like maybe the Pixel 6 Pro had similar scores to this So for a mid phone that cost I will be very fair

I think this processor is fine. But it's not going to break any LAN speed records

It doesn't have something that's going to compete with an iPhone, even let alone one from five or six years ago

I would also take one more thing about the processor is I ran

I checked out the graphics performance on this thing too. And it, too, scored similar to all those other phones

So even though I would normally want much more time to make a very bold and confident statement about the abilities of this phone, I think it's fine

For a mid-range phone, this performance is going to be fine. Longevity is a question

Chip like the Snapdragon 7 Gen 3, it prioritizes efficiency. and there's nothing wrong with that

Again, I think a lot of this is get ahead of it, man. We're going to make a $500 phone

It's going to have this processor that's very efficient and doesn't kill the battery life

And those are things I think a lot of people want. It's true

And there's a trend towards under consumption, right? So do we really need the latest and greatest all the time

the top tier? So having a mid-range selection. Sorry, Mimi. Having a mid-range phone in gold is, you know

Well, you know. Okay, so you mentioned the gold. Show me other design features

Show me the infamous flag, please. Oh, man. You're getting really on the spot here

So it's gold, and we had some arguments in the office here

I'm going to try to keep this very still for our camera person

So on the back, in this lighting, it looks like straw gold, kind of like Scrooge McDuck when he jumps into the coin pool gold, like cartoon gold

And in natural lighting, it looks a little more mustardy yellow. So it definitely, it's a plastic back, but it's kind of got this like iridescence to it

Um, the camera, uh, bump is an oval again, uh, has a three cameras, uh, an ultra wide

a telephoto, two X telephoto and a main camera. Uh, they have gold around the rings

There's kind of gold around the edging of the camera bump too

Uh, and then if you do forget what carrier this phone works on, you will be reminded

that it runs on Trump mobile. And if you forget by the time you get from the top of the phone to the bottom, they put

another reminder down here that it is indeed Trump Mobile. And yeah, so we have something

that's similar to the America flag. I counted, there are 50 stars, but it does appear that we

might be a little short on the stripage there. And also, again, to be fair, we have, how many

phones have I tested that have had Verizon or T-Mobile branded on the back? Granted, they didn't

have like a patriotic-ish theme they were going for, but it's there. So, but yeah, you got the

Trump flag, Trump mobile flag on the bottom. And what else would you like to see, Noomi

Honestly, I'm just, I'm really curious what two colonies you would have voted off if we were

only having 11 colonies. I feel like this is like a drinking game or something. What two colonies

would I vote off? I mean, they're all, we've kind of needed them all. So it's kind of hard to exclude

one or two. I mean, Rhode Island, really? Do we? Delaware, maybe? I don't know. I'm just joking

What you call me when you wrote off, Newman. I don't know. Oh, that's, you know what? I don't know. I don't know

Get me out of here, so New York. You know what the right answer is? I wouldn't throw any of the colonies

The right answer is there is no answer. Yeah, no, but it is, again, to be in fairness, that flag

if you look at the way the Trump Mobile logo is written

it does still remain kind of the heightened ratio of a regular American flag

And I do remind people that the original design of this, and somehow crumpled it, and I'll let our camera person catch up

Celso, if you don't mind, had kind of like a flowing American flag. Oh, great, we got some people there

A flowing American flag on it. And it also said, Make America Great Again

And this is like the wallpaper. But then the back of the phone had T1 really big and then had like the kind of like an earlier version of the American flag we're seeing now

So sadly, the wallpaper on here does not have the 1776. Does not have the it's just blue

It's a little more understated. It's a little more. Understated. Yeah. All right

So can you tell me about the process of pre-ordering? I have to do this because there was a question early on about is the $100 for the deposit refundable

Let me zoom back up to say who said that. It was BattleG2340 on YouTube

So tell me about the process of pre-ordering it. I know this is a review unit, so you got it faster

Yeah, it is curious. Like, so their pre-orders opened, I think like almost a year ago

like kind of right when they first announced it, right? And they were supposed to come out in August

you put a hundred dollar deposit down. And what that requires is, so I think the other thing

to talk about is there's the T1 phone is the actual name of the phone, Trump phone

and uh it's on trump mobile so they launched a 5g service um uh i hate to do this new me do

you know what an mvno is no actually okay so so think of it have you heard of like mint mobile

before yes of course yeah cool so that's an mvno and so there are hundreds of these uh uh small

little uh telecom companies and essentially they ride on the piggyback of networks of like verizon

or T-Mobile or AT&T, right? So for a while, there's been one called Liberty Mobile

And Liberty Mobile is an MVNO. And essentially, it's kind of like they have a

it's like they're a restaurant. They had like a pop-up restaurant that's Trump Mobile. Trump Mobile is like under their umbrella

is that's how the service is being provided. So when you go to pre-order

you have to set up a Trump Mobile account and you have to, of course

put in like credit card information and all that stuff. Some also, this comes with the phone, which is a SIM card

which is kind of, again, for all the things people might talk poorly about this phone

It's kind of neat to see them embracing some of the technology of yesterday

So this has its retro. It's called the 47 plan. And again, it costs 47, 45

I let the Easter eggs So then we put that in but we didn hear anything like a lot of people Our journey is a little convoluted too because we had a corporate card that then kind of got

switched out. And then our, so we had to put a new card in recently and all that. And that's at

the same time, our wonderful reporter, Corinne Reichhardt had been messaging Trump mobile twice

a week for months and finally got through and kind of connected the dots and was able to say

hey, we did pre-order this. Can you expedite it? And they offered to expedite our order. And they

did. And that is always a kind thing that these phone companies do. And I'm very appreciative of

that. And she was talking with their CEO, Pat O'Brien. So not the MBI guy

Fair enough. All right. So you've... Oh, refunds though, refunds. I don't know

I think that's, there's just some of those like, I think transparency that I think a lot of people just

you know, you go to the Apple store, you know there's a 14 day refund window

If they announce a new device, a lot of times they'll extend that window to kind of like, if you had bad timing

and you were on day 15, they announced a new iPhone, you might get it like a hundred dollar discount, right

And things like that. So it's unclear. I don't know if they've updated the website

And so that might have been updated, but I don't know off the top of my head

I did not see an official statement about their refund policy. Fair enough. All right. Let's see if we have any other questions

I'm curious. Honestly, I'm curious. So you've been filming with it a little bit

You've shot some test photos and things like that. How do you feel about it

In general, as a device, if we stripped away everything else, give me your thoughts

I mean, that's it, right? It's just like we have, like, it's so wrapped up into, like, an identity

It's so wrapped up in politics. Let's put it there. There's half of people probably watching the car accident

The other half is like, well, this is the phone I ordered, and they're excited about it

And it's, I think that's what's so complicated about it. And goodness gracious, there's so many problems in the world

It's just a damn phone, guys. That being said, yeah, if you did take away some of the ornamentation and politics behind it, it's a phone

It's a decent $500 phone. Would it be the, like, phone I recommend for most people

Probably not. Probably push you toward, like, something like the Pixel 10a

because that phone has, the cameras on that phone are definitely better than the cameras

There's more cameras on this, but more is not better. And, but there's nothing like fatal flaws that I've noticed in the day I've had this with the pictures I've taken

It does have a default watermark on that says T1 on the bottom left corner and they date in time

But you can turn that off. To be honest, other Android phones do that too. Calling it out red magic

They do that all the time. But, yeah, it's a decent phone

It does have things like, you know, even the headphone jack, it's on the top, right

I think we learned years ago that if we do have headphones, we'd want to plug it in on the bottom so the cable hangs down versus kind of like iPod style

You'd have it plugged in on the top there. Yeah. So and in terms of the cameras, there is AI

It's like an identification, scene identification mode. same stuff that we see on other phones we've seen for years uh nothing shocking there but the photos

aren't like super horrible there's no like uh gold filter or like ar that overlays me in the

white house or something like something silly like that it's a very straightforward phone in many ways

and whether that straightforwardness was a intentional choice or a cost savings choice

whoever gets these phones are will be all the better for it i think

Well, I do think it's interesting that it is essentially considered a mid-range price for a phone right now

Right. So they didn't they didn't try to say that this is an Apple competitor or anything like that, nor did they say that this is going to be a budget phone

They really left it right in the middle, which I think is kind of interesting commentary

Right. It's kind of saying like, oh, what what's what can we push in terms of marketing this

And for it being potentially a reskin of a two-year-old phone, I don't know

It makes a sort of sense of like, oh, if you were to purchase something like this, that would probably be the limit of what you would want, right

Well, and there's going to be people who are going to yell at me for making this comparison

But there are other new phones coming out that cost $500 that are from companies that have never made phones before

And one of the ones I'm most excited about is the Clix Communicator. Now, Clix is a company that made these keyboard cases for, like, the iPhone

You can get them for, like, Android phones now and everything. And they add basically, like, a BlackBerry-style keyboard to the bottom of your phone

And it's pretty fantastic. But they announced this phone called the Clix Communicator

and it's designed by an actual BlackBerry designer. And yeah, that thing does not have the best cameras

That phone does not have the top-of-the-line processor, but it has a lot of intentionality to that design

Its early renderings look very similar to the prototypes that keep coming out

that they keep showing us. We've seen all, it's kind of like they have shown us the bag of ingredients

that they got at the grocery store, and they've shown us kind of what the final meal will be

So we kind of know where we're going. So I think there's just been a lot of changes with this, right

So if you got this Trump phone because it was made in the USA, I'm so sorry, it's not

If you got this Trump phone because it was kind of looked a little bit like an iPhone

it doesn't, nor does it perform like one. And that's okay, but it's kind of the misdirection there

If you bought this phone because you support this family or this family's politics, that's okay

You get lovely branding on that, and you can enjoy that. You can log in to your true social

I don't think that's something that I would buy a phone to do

But if you did buy this phone because you think it's like the $500 phone to get, I would argue you might be able to find other ones

And if you're looking for, you want to be getting a phone that's unique and new, that's never existed before, I would have a lot of people looking at that Clix communicator phone too

See, my time's coming up because I'm talking about it. Well, let's end it this way then

What would be the $500 phone right now that you'd say, consider this

Yeah, I think if you're on Android, you get a lot of options, right

So we have the Pixel 10a and to be fair, it, man, this gets

how do I touch this and go quickly? Something has happened in the past year and that's AI

And AI has driven all these data centers and all these data centers need processors and RAM

and because of that there's been a ram shortage that's going on and because of that ram shortage

also known as ramageddon we've seen people and phone makers some really big ones like samsung

and motorola increase the price of their phones so the trump phone also has ram in it and while

they never said what the ram was going to be it does have 12 gigabytes it'll be curious to see if

if they're able to sustain or survive Ramageddon as well. But I bring all that up because one of the phones I'd recommend is the Google Pixel 10a

It's $500, but it's pretty much identical to the Google Pixel 9a that came out the year before

And that's because they wanted to keep the price the same, but that also meant they couldn't add a lot of new things or a lot of new hardware features, right

Another thing I would consider is getting a phone that's kind of like when people buy cars

Looking at one that's a couple years old, you're going to save a lot of money and you can find very good discounts

especially if you're someone who's into things like Prime Day or sales

Getting a Galaxy S25 Ultra or even the S24 Ultra would still be an amazing phone

You're still going to have, what, four to five years of software support on that

And you would probably get it for anywhere from $600, $700 on the cheap end

especially if you're getting one that's used or even refurbished. So that's something I'd recommend

And if you go on the Apple side, it gets tough, but Apple has their like affordable phone

and that's gonna be the iPhone 17 E and I'm gonna totally mess up the price

because I am on camera and I don know how much I spacing on the price I think it like at the starting price Again that has a very powerful processor that is only I think like a generation old

But again, if we're looking at the performance on this, I couldn't find an iPhone going back six years that this beats

Like, it's just that speaks more to the longevity of Apple's chips

But again, between the options of getting a used phone, getting an affordable Android phone, getting my recommendation is if the only thing you don't like about your phone is the battery, it costs like $100, $129 to replace that

And you'll get another two to three years of life out of your phone. I think that's a much more economical thing to do as well

And we're not having all this accoutrement. I should say there's a shout out to the, it would be horrible not to have this make an appearance

And this is the Freedom Phone. That's right. This launched in the first term of Trump's presidency

This is not by the Trump family formally. But the idea is this phone is censorship free, has uncancellable apps and decentralized identity

It was a take. The idea was this would take on the big tech giants, even though it's built on top of Android

And it's censorship free, even though it thankfully has protections against things like child pornography and things like that

But I think really what it built for is at the time Trump had been exiled off of Twitter and apps like True Social were being kicked out of the App Store on iOS and Android And this is a way to get that And again this was not made in the USA It was a Chinese phone kind of rebranded And now we have the 2026 version the Trump phone

So you know what? I have so many better phones I could talk about

and they do some cool things. And I'm sure there are friends of mine freaking out

that we're spending this much time on the Trump phone. There's a lot of curiosity around this thing

Again, it's just a phone. But at the same time, it's just a moment in time that our politics sometimes means more than our sensibilities

And I think some of this stuff comes at the cost of empathy

Some of this comes at the cost of true innovation. And some of this comes at the cost of a money grab

And hey, who better to risk the security issues than us versus the consumer

Well, I got to say, I did put this on our company's credit card and our company's account

So I'm sure the Ziff Davis IT team and financial team are being very challenged because allegedly all of our data of people who preordered the Trump phone

the T1 phone was leaked recently. And I just found that out and I don't know what that means for me

If we're getting shut down, it's going to be your fault, Patrick. I could blame someone else

I don't even have to say the name because I'm surrounded by the name. All right fair enough Well thank you so much for giving us this rundown Is there anything else you wanted to impart for the viewers for us

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Who's Thanos then? Who gets to put the gauntlet? That's a very good question

Our social producer's raising her hand. She wants to be Thanos. Okay. Thanos is Faith

Love it. You know what? I wouldn't trust a snap to anybody else

Hey, can we say one shout out? Let's say you are someone who ordered a Trump phone

If you get it, let us know. If you don't have it yet, let us know. We really, politics aside, silly gold phone aside

people shouldn't get ripped off no matter what you believe in. And I just really hope that they get the phone they ordered

and we can live with that. There you go. Thanks, everyone. You're out