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How Can Naturopathic Medicine Address Our Mental Health?
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Feb 6, 2025
Welcome to Adaptable | Behavior Explained! Today we bring in Dr. Mykayla Werner, a licensed naturopathic doctor. Naturopathy, also referred to as naturopathic healing, offers a different approach that focuses on fostering the body's natural healing processes, rather than relying solely on external interventions. Through the implementation of various lifestyle modifications, targeted nutrient support, and other encompassing methods, naturopathy paves a path toward not only alleviating symptoms but also nurturing an enduring sense of vitality, especially in the realm of mental health. In embracing naturopathic principles, one embarks on a transformative journey towards holistic health and a renewed sense of optimism when it comes to mental health. I'm Kelly O'Horo, Attachment based EMDR Therapist, EMDRIA Consultant, and Advanced Trainer. I'm a mom of 5, Nonna of 5, wife, and a healer. I have the honor of spending my workdays walking along side people while they brave their healing journeys. I try to live with the generous assumption that we're all doing the best we can with what we know. Therapists are teachers for the "life stuff" and "emotional vocabulary" that may not have been learned due to gaps in our care givers capabilities. In the last 15 years I've learned that people are freaking amazing, resilient, and inspiring. Most importantly, we are hardwired for connection and for healing! I hope to bring an authentic, compassionate, and unpolished approach while we explore a variety of topics such as parenting, marriage, relationships, dating, trauma, attachment, adoption, depression, addiction, anxiety, and love! There's a why for all behaviors and an explanation that makes perfect sense as emotion is at the root of it all. -- Links -- https://linktr.ee/kellyohorolpc https://youtu.be/rLnARKekvgo https://www.emdria.org/find-an-emdr-therapist/
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hi everyone I'm Kelly ooro and this is
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adaptable Behavior explained hello there
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thank you so much for tuning in today
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I'm really excited to talk about an
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important conversation that I see in my
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practice with my clients over and over
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and that topic is people pleasing and
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I'm so grateful to have my friend and
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colleague Dr Michaela Warner who is a
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naturopathic doctor and we are fortunate
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enough to have her here as part of our
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team with infinite healing and wellness
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and so today we're going to talk about
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that topic and how it affects our health
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and overall Wellness relationships and a
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whole lot more so thank you for tuning
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in Michaela tell us a little bit about
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yourself and why this topic is so near
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and dear to your heart yeah so I'm Dr
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Michaela wner I'm a licensed
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naturopathic doctor here in
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Arizona um my focus and passion has
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always been in the realm of mental
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health and especially in regards to um
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utilizing homeopathic medicine and it is
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so passionate for me based on my own
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healing Journey so earlier in life due
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to a series of traumatic events I um
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ended up struggling with severe chronic
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anxiety daily panic attacks depression
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suicidality
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the whole shebang um can you tell us a
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little bit just I mean not digging in
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deeply to the details it's your story to
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tell but just so people understand like
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what would be traumatic events that
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would contribute to severe anxiety a few
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of them if you don't mind absolutely
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yeah so um my parents were um addicted
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to drugs so there was a lot of neglect
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early in
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childhood um so I kind of had like a
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rough start there my mom eventually
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overdosed when I was 5 years old
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um you know ended up living with my
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grandma cuz my dad had been in and out
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of jail um and then the kind of the
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straw that um what's it saying the straw
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that broke the camels back ended up
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being my house uh caught on fire when I
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was 12 years old gosh um and it sent me
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into like this complete like nervous
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breakdown of sorts so I struggled with
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immense daily anxiety daily panic
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attacks depression suicidality just I
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was a hot mess for a long time I imagine
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waiting for the other shoe to drop
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became a lifestyle and an identity
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because it had for you so many times
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yeah wow that's not nothing yeah thank
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you for sharing that yeah of course of
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course it's my passion I got to let
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people know um so you know I was raised
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in a very small town in Michigan not a
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whole lot of resources there in regards
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to therapy um but I saw numerous
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psychiatric providers um who basically
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prescribed me you know medication after
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medication and unfortunately fell into
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like the snowball effect of poly
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Pharmacy so like they would prescribe
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one medication which would create a
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symptom or a side effect to which
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another medication would be added on and
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I think at my worst I think it was like
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12 13 years old and on 14 heavy duty
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psychiatric medication they just trying
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to numb you out oh my gosh it made me
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feel so much worse than even without the
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meds to begin with um um in hindsight I
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most definitely was overdiagnosed
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misdiagnosed and very much overmedicated
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so so there go your passion for
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naturopathic medicine and trying to dig
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at a more holistic approach to Healing
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yes yes that was that became like how I
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realized that conventional medical
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system doesn't
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necessarily help one to truly heal
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necessarily um it definitely has its
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place not arguing with with that by any
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means but it definitely I've always
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wanted to be a doctor ever since I was
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little and that definitely steered the
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course to looking for other options and
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other avenues makes sense so so tell us
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about how you conceptualize your cases
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given your history you know what when
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you see a a patient what how do you
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organize and conceptualize their
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treatment yeah so when I see a patient
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for the first time our first um
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appointment is two hours long we go
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through literally everything and
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anything that they're experiencing so
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any and every mental emotional symptom
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as well as any physical symptoms that
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they're
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experiencing um we are really taught to
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address the body as a whole so one of
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our philosophies in naturopathic
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medicine is to Totum so treat the body
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as a whole instead of you know just
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focusing on this one issue or this other
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other issue we're looking at the whole
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picture so to speak to really get a
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whole case of what's actually going on
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um and based on my own experiences from
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seeing other psychiatric providers it
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was almost like I felt like I was just a
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number so to speak they didn't really I
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felt like I wasn't really heard or
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listened to because and honestly like
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there's only so much that can be done in
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10 15 minutes with a patient you know
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you really can't get a whole history of
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what's actually happening there that
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makes sense um so that really steered
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the course where I was just looking for
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other avenues to explore and ended up
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discovering the field of naturopathic
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medicine saw a naturopathic doctor
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myself who also had specialized in a
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modality of medicine called Homeopathy
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homeopathic medicine and he had
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prescribed the right remedy for me for
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at the time was silica and I kid you not
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it was like I could feel the Sunshine on
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my face for the first time again wow
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completely changed my life that's so uh
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empowering and rewarding and talk about
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emotion accelerating something that
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we're learning it taught you this this
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is the real deal for for you it was like
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this is the answer this is what I've
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been looking for my entire life so so
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related to our stories and our
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adaptations which this show is about
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adapt it's adaptable for a reason we are
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adaptable we take what we learn we apply
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those things sometimes healthy sometimes
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not so healthy and kind of bringing it
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back to the concept of people pleasing
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tell me a little bit about how you see
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people pleasing and what kind of
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patience do you see with that presenting
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issue um so the majority of patients
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that I see that have these people
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pleasing tendency tend to be women and
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um you know statistically
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78% of those who have autoimmune
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illnesses or chronic illnesses happen to
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be be women so um I really think it's a
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huge factor in terms of you know an
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obstacle to cure is what we would call
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it in terms of health so people pleasing
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identifying that working on that is so
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essential in order to help the body heal
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So when you say that in people pleasing
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in a direct correlation to to illness
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and an exacerbation of autoimmune
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illness which I see anecdotally as a
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therapist a trauma specialist as well
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you know I see the correlation between
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high ases scores and autoimmune issues
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and the exacerbation of autoimmune
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symptomology yeah with direct
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correlation to stress in life and so
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when we have a period where things are
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settling down all of a sudden my limes
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is kind of calm and I'm not in a flare
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up but then I have this thing happen and
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when this thing happens like uh you know
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uh my husband loses his job or my child
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brings home a bad grade or somebody has
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a fight at school all of a sudden I
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handle that I address that and then oh
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lo and behold I'm in bed for 3 days with
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my flare up and so my body is telling me
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what how would you see that yeah so
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honestly like when we are in the state
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of people pleasing we're basically
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sacrificing our own needs to take care
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of the needs of others and I truly
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believe that um the body speaks to us so
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if we are not honoring the emotions or
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not listening to our body it's going to
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present itself in whatever way it is
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whether it be like a flare up of
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fibromyalgia flare up of lime or let's
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say you get sick it's literally my
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perspective My Philosophy it's the body
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telling us slow down you need to listen
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to us so when we're constantly working
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on satisfying the needs of all those
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around us we're sacrificing our own
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needs we're at the back of the line
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exactly exactly so then you know
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especially in people pleasing it also
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Keeps Us in this state of like fight ORF
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flight so to speak so when we are in
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fight or flight it's really healthy to
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stay in that state for short periods of
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time it can be really helpful like if a
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lion is chasing us or something like
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that it's great
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but when we are in that fight ORF flight
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modality or um system and it's going on
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for long periods of time it just wrecks
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havoc on our nervous system and then
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everything else and then everything else
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follows suit so if your nervous system
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goes out of whack the immune system goes
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out of whack our hormones go out of
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whack our thyroid and so it's like our
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body just goes in a Haywire because of
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that so from a counseling perspective
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why do you think people people please
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from a survival strategy I think it's a
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way to create illusion of control in an
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otherwise powerless environment so if I
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have a lot of Chaos in my world and I'm
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a little kid and I try to start sizing
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up what's happening around me and I can
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make things better I can make sure you
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know my shoes are put away and I can
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make sure my homework's done and I can
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make sure that mommy's okay and I can
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make sure that I'm really quiet when
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Daddy comes home cuz he gets angry if
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I'm not and I do all of these things in
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an attempt to control my environment I
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say attempt on purpose cuz we really
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don't have any control over our
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environment it becomes a habituated
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pattern of response to inorganically try
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to control our environment and pleasing
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becomes a habit and so what population
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do you see this with the most um
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definitely women why do you think that
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is sure I think society places a lot of
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pressure on women especially to be
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caretakers caretaking everybody else
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whether it be family you know your
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whether it be your parents or your
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children your husband your partner um
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you know I think we they have a lot of
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pressure on us to take care of everybody
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else but ourselves and so a lot of times
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we end up succumbing to that pressure
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and um kind of putting ourselves on the
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back burner so to speak so when it comes
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to these adaptable responses of people
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pleasing how do you how do you see it
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happening for others maybe even how did
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how do you how do you understand that it
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started for you um so in my personal
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case in particular so my parents were
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addicts um a lot of time I grew up I
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think from like from a very young age
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from like 2 to six years old or so um
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and my parents would often you know go
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in the bedroom and do drugs and so I was
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left alone for long periods of time and
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although now I understand they were
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trying to protect me from seeing them in
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that state it created this belief that I
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wasn't wanted or that I wasn't good
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enough so to speak so I carried that
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belief with me and I always tell people
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it's like we create these beliefs at a
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young age and it becomes the lens
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through which we see the world so in my
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case I had this belief that I wasn't
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good enough I wasn't wanted as soon as
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people would see me they would leave me
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this fear of Abandonment right and I
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would see that in my career in my
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relationships literally my whole it was
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a lens through which I viewed the world
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really compromised your sense of trust
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that it was safe to be vulnerable in the
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world 100% And so it creates this need
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to be just right all the time yes oh and
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perfectionism is a mass massive shame
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shield and it is so exhausting and it's
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like 20 tons of armor to carry around a
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perfectionism shame Shield absolutely
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for sure absolutely so tell us about how
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Homeopathy helped you to put that down
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um and how how does that work yeah so I
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always tell people like I feel like the
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first um Homeopathy really helped to
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spark that first layer of my healing
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Journey so when I was placed on the
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right remedy for me it was like I think
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I said before it was like I could feel
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the Sunshine on my face for the first
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time again I don't think I truly
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understood how nervous I always was or
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how anxious I always was until I wasn't
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anymore because that had been my my like
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sense of normal for my entire entire
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life and um it really helped me to
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become a more empowered version of
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myself when I was placed on the right
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remedy for me it was like I was able
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to um I guess cultivate a more sense of
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safety and so I was able to establish
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boundaries with others I personally I
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had a series of toxic abusive
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relationships that I would you know
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perpetuate it's like the same person
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just in a different body reenacting that
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unresolved childhood trauma somebody
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that was familiar to you like one or
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both of your parents exactly exactly
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along with like the fear of Abandonment
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cuz like I'll do anything to keep them
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around like please don't leave that was
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kind of like my inner child trying to
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cultivate subconsciously a sense of
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safety although I didn't consciously
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know it at the time course of course so
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when I was placed on the right remedy
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for me over time I started establishing
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more boundaries for myself um and truly
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believe believe it's how I was able to
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let go of the toxic abusive relationship
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that I was in um and that was oh it was
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the most empowering I I can't even
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express it into words how empowering
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that moment was
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to consciously leave that relationship
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because of that fear of Abandonment was
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still present but then to leave that
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relationship and to be like oh I'm okay
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now oh my gosh I'm like I felt so so
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free and so
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empowered so for for a toxic
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relationship it probably is a lot more
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obvious as far as like the negative
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consequence consequences that it had for
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you and being in one of those
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relationships but for those of us with
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maybe more for those of us with less
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obvious damaging habits but while still
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people pleasing to an overfunctioning
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extreme what are some of the warnings or
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conse quences we might want to share
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with our uh listeners about what happens
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in our systems when we start to learn
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how to set boundaries and to say no when
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we mean no and only yes when we mean it
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right and we stop making other people's
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needs more important than our own what
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does that what can that look like in in
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our
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relationships um so in terms of like
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setting boundaries and I feel like
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there's often this misconception of you
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know it's important to set boundaries
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Maybe
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with um maybe like in friendships or
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maybe like your employer so to speak but
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like boundaries are super healthy and
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any and every relationship that you have
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um and that wasn't something that I
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found out until later on where I finally
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was able to cultivate a sense of safety
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utilizing
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Homeopathy um where I could say no I I
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don't have the emotional capacity for
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that and really that helped to honor my
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own body's needs
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and prioritize what's going to be okay
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for you and not okay for you as opposed
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to just with that survival strategy yes
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so I totally am a ma major believer in
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Homeopathy as well and uh in conjunction
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with EMDR therapy it's like it's it's
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money it's so awesome and I personally
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struggled with Hashimoto from just a lot
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of uh you know chronic stress in my life
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and my relationships and things like
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that and an allergist actually
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discovered it I didn't really know what
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was going on and he said did you know
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and I said I did not know and so uh and
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that's medically not technically able to
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be cured yet when I had a Homeopathy
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doctor my naturopathic doctor in
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conjunction with my EMDR therapy I don't
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actually the blood work doesn't show
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that I have Hashimoto anymore my thyroid
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is still shot and I have to take a
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supplement to help because there was too
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much damage but it's not the autoimmune
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right and so it's so amazing so can you
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tell us a little bit about how you
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understand Homeopathy to work with EMDR
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therapy yeah Homeopathy is amazing with
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EMDR therapy I utilize it myself so um I
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always tell people it was like
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discovering Homeopathy took me to one
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layer of my healing journey and then
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when I discovered EMDR therapy it took
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it to a whole another level and so even
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to this day I utilize both it can be so
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transformative and really helps to ease
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I want to say like ease the process of
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EMDR therapy
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because a lot of times if we just jump
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into EMDR therapy it can be kind of
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traumatic at times you're you're
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literally like going through old trauma
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stuff that maybe you've spent years and
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years ignoring repressing not looking at
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right and that in itself can be
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incredibly um uncomfortable and so when
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somebody's established on the right
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homeopathic remedy for them it helps to
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equilibri their nervous system so
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they're able to
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maintain that sense of safety even
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though they might be bringing up old
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stuff that they're not used to looking
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at or that might be more debilitating so
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to speak so tell me if I'm if I'm
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understanding this right because I refer
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a lot of clients to uh to a naturopathic
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doctor and to you for for Homeopathy
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specifically yeah when I am seeing a
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little bit of stuckness so what it seems
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like when I am on a remedy and when I'm
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working on something it and and I I'm
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you're going to say it much better but
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what it seems like to me for the lay
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person who's listening is it's almost
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like internally creating a bit of an
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irritant or something and that irritant
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draws attention to the area where
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something needed like a release yes
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exactly and I don't know I don't really
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get it but the way I describe it to
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clients is you know when we have a
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Planter's wart or a wart we're not
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actually burning it off we're just
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drawing attention to that area so that
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our body knows how to come and fight
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like there's there's something going on
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here and the cells you know our white
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blood cells come to fight the the the
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wart or whatever so we're not burning it
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off we are drawing attention to there's
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something going on here is that how
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Homeopathy is working and why that's
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what it's like for me when I'm on a
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remedy I'm like something's like it's
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like loosening something up and then I
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go and I have all this affect of access
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when I see my therapist for MDR and I'm
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like okay fine it's F it's there now I
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know what it is I get it I don't can you
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can you talk about that absolutely
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absolutely yeah so scientifically we
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don't know exactly how Homeopathy Works
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however we do know that it works on I
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always tell people it works more on an
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energetic level so to speak so there are
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especially certain remedies um that
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could be really helpful for repressed
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emotions so let's say somebody has a lot
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of like repressed grief that they don't
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even feel or they're not even
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consciously aware that it's there
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they're more numbed out they're more
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numbed out which is a coping mechanism
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of course because it's so painful and
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not conscious or intentional right right
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so um if that's the case for that
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patient there are certain remedies that
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can help to I always tell people it
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helps to bring it up to the surface and
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although it might be uncomfortable so to
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speak um at the time because you're
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feeling it it is the only way to heal is
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when you bring it up and out it helps to
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push things up and out and when people
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are tend to be stuck in certain um
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whatever they're processing through EMDR
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like let's say they're processing
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they're they're stuck through um a
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moment of grief or anger or something
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like that or resentment or betral
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whatever it is that they're actually
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processing and things aren't just moving
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like it should there are actually
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certain homeopathic remedies that you
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can bring on board that will help to
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loosen that up and bring it up and the
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transition that PE that I I've witnessed
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myself that I've heard from other
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therapist it like brings it right up and
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just makes it so much smoother for that
20:56
energy to be up and released if that
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makes sense so although as an adaptation
21:01
our our bodies do a great job defending
21:04
its emotional overwhelm one of the ways
21:06
is through repression it's like if I
21:09
want to be done with these symptoms once
21:10
and for all I have to allow for them to
21:13
exit so we we don't we've got to feel it
21:15
to heal it we've got to have access to
21:17
that you know unresolved stuff that
21:20
sometimes never got to be felt like I
21:22
think about you Mom and Dad are in the
21:24
room doing drugs and you're just alone
21:26
and you're scared you don't even realize
21:29
that you're lonely or that you're scared
21:31
or that you're confused you're just kind
21:33
of Frozen in shock cuz you're so little
21:35
and so when we go back to review those
21:37
memories through EMDR reprocessing it's
21:39
like you get to go on a rescue mission
21:41
as the adult hero and be there with and
21:44
for that little girl where you didn't
21:46
get to feel those things in the first
21:48
place and now we've offered a safe place
21:50
and time for that to happen and so I
21:52
really respect and appreciate the art of
21:56
that Homeopathy uh delivery and you know
22:00
how much listening is required for you
22:03
to really fine-tune the nuances of what
22:05
you're going to ask the the patient to
22:07
take and so I love the conjunction of
22:10
those two approaches for sure together
22:12
it it just works beautifully I really
22:14
appreciate it yeah and I kind of want to
22:16
put out there too um you know Homeopathy
22:19
is it's very it's a very gentle modality
22:21
of medicine so if somebody isn't
22:24
necessarily ready let's say they have a
22:27
lot of um repressed memories because the
22:32
the trauma they went through was so
22:34
intense when somebody's on the right
22:36
remedy it works synergistically with the
22:39
body and the mind it's not going to
22:41
force you to remember all of the trauma
22:43
that occurred if you're not ready for it
22:46
it is a very gentle modality of medicine
22:49
that works alongside your body and what
22:52
it knows you're capable of um so it's
22:55
not something that's going to
22:57
necessarily
22:58
aggravate and
23:28
just we we try not to leave anything on
23:29
the table here yeah yeah so I always you
23:32
know I tell people first and foremost
23:34
self-awareness is so important so if you
23:37
find yourself that you are you are a
23:39
people pleaser you know get curious
23:41
about it pay attention to it um you know
23:45
really dive in like is am I jumping to
23:49
the rescue like is this actually
23:51
necessary so to speak um I always tell
23:54
people too listen to your body um
23:56
meditation is beautiful but if you find
23:59
that you're averse to meditation I also
24:01
tell people you know sit with yourself
24:04
just for a couple minutes and just
24:06
pretend your body is almost like a
24:08
separate entity in itself and ask your
24:11
body what does it need right now what do
24:13
you need and a lot of times it'll just
24:16
come it might be weird and uncomfortable
24:18
at first but pay attention to what comes
24:20
up because and try your best to honor
24:23
that listen to the dashboard it's got
24:25
the data exactly your body knows better
24:28
your body knows best and if you are
24:30
struggling with illness or something of
24:32
that nature pay attention to it like
24:34
your body is literally speaking to you
24:37
because you're not listening to the
24:39
emotions what was that quote you told me
24:41
the other day when we were talking I
24:43
thought that is one that needs to be you
24:46
know a post or a real or a focused thing
24:48
I loved what you said about that and I
24:50
think it's a great closing State yeah
24:52
yeah so um especially in the
24:54
naturopathic community community um we
24:57
talk about how there's a quote by Robert
24:59
blly um the body weeps what the tears
25:03
cannot express so when we do not honor
25:07
and pay attention to the emotions inside
25:10
our body is going to scream it until we
25:12
do so to speak the body keeps the score
25:15
the body keeps the score absolutely and
25:17
it always tells us even when we don't
25:19
want to listen yes yes unfortunately
25:21
Right For Better or For Worse for better
25:23
for worse yeah well thank you so much
25:26
for being with us today I just can't um
25:28
app I appreciate everything that you've
25:30
imparted on us so so greatly it's uh
25:34
such important information and again
25:36
people just don't know what they don't
25:38
know and how things work and we want to
25:40
make sure our listeners have a full menu
25:44
of choices when it comes to their
25:45
healing and so I really appreciate you
25:48
giving us this time today yeah of course
25:50
thank you for having me and so as a
25:52
little bit of a recap the body keeps the
25:54
score it will tell us what we're not
25:56
listening to and our topic of people
25:59
pleasing is just an adaptation that we
26:02
learned in order to exercise some
26:05
illusion of control in an otherwise
26:07
powerless environment and ultimately it
26:09
puts us at the back of the line related
26:11
to our needs and when we don't listen to
26:13
what we need it causes illness and our
26:16
illness is then the beacon uh that tells
26:20
us what we need to be paying attention
26:22
to so uh hopefully you find this
26:25
information helpful and if You' like to
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learn more please uh look at the links
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in our comments below and if you have
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any stories you want to share about your
26:35
healing Journey we'd love to hear from
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you so thank you for listening and don't
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forget to lead with love it'll never
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steer you
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