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‘Things got quite testy’ | PMQs Analysed
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Jun 19, 2025
James O’Brien and LBC’s Political Correspondent Aggie Chambre analyse PMQs as Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner faced Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp 'Starmer's comment about far-right bandwagons, was that was about Elon Musk and Jess Phillips?' ‘Chris Philp did okay there’ ‘It seems like he wrote all his questions beforehand’ ‘Labour do have a bad record on channel crossings’ ‘Did the Conservatives forget who commissioned Louise Casey’s report?’ 'Rayner called Philp Johnny-come-lately' ‘Quite ill-tempered that’ ‘Things got quite testy’ 'They're competing over who can sound the most negative on immigration' 'Farage will always be there to tell big immigration porkies' Listen to the full show on the all-new LBC App: https://app.af.lbc.co.uk/btnc/thenewlbcapp #jamesobrien #aggiechambre #lbc #pmqs LBC is the home of live debate around news and current affairs in the UK. Join in the conversation and listen at https://www.lbc.co.uk/
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A quick response from you
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Nick writes, the Lib Dems are winning me over here. The Angela handled him quite easily
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but it was a better performance than any of Kemi Kazi's. Kemi Kazi, I haven't seen that before
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I may not have read it out if I'd read that in advance. It's not a medical condition, writes Andrew
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I was part of a tour Phil gave around the Houses of Parliament. I don't remember him gulping once
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Pip is not an out-of-work benefit I'm sick of this helping people into work narrative
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In the days of Blair and Haig PMQ's was worth listening to
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The Conservative opposition has a serious dearth of quality and are not capable of seriously challenging the current government
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especially with their own abysmal record of governance Tristan is upset that Angela Rayner keeps mentioning
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the fact that the Tories were in power for the 14 of the last 15 years
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which almost certainly means that Tristan is a Tory, because if I was, I'd also be very cross
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that Angela Rayner keeps reminding the House that they were in power for the last 14 of the last 15 years
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The reason why Daisy Cooper got to her feet was because it is the day of the deputies
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and Rayner makes it look way too easy, writes James. Philp started well, then ended up sounding like a child having a tantrum
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Just on one thing, this comment of Starmer's about far-right bandwagons, I thought at the time that was more about Elon Musk
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describing Jess Phillips as a rape-genocide apologist, despite the fact that she spent 20 years working for Women's Aid
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a charity dedicated to literally looking after women and children who'd been victims of domestic abuse, sexual violence and human trafficking
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But you were right Aggie Chambre you predicted that that was why Chris Philp had been handed the brief today and lo and behold that exactly what happened Indeed and I think on that comment as well the far bandwagon
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there are people in the government who think that that was not a smart thing to say
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but he has tried to explain what he meant a number of times then
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and also recently as well by saying he was talking specifically about politicians
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He wasn't talking about survivors. And Chris Philp knows that. Well, they will have heard his explanation because he's made it numerous times
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I think Chris Philp did okay there. I felt like all of the questions he probably could have written beforehand
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and didn't necessarily interact that much with Angela Rayner. There were a couple of times she didn't answer his questions
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and he didn't seem to pick up on it. But I thought it was okay
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And as I said before we started as well, Prime Minister's questions is pretty difficult
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I do wonder whether the Conservatives have forgotten who commissioned Louise Casey's report
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because they keep quoting it back to the government. The government did commission it
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and they are, I think, aware of what it says. So trying to kind of get them on that detail
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and quoting her back to them, I'm not sure is that effective. And they've kind of done it quite a lot
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in the last two days since that happened. But yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting
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I think in terms of Angela Rayner trying to defend Starmer's record
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I thought that was fairly successful in terms of what he did when he was director of public prosecutions
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And on the data, I think everybody at this stage agrees with what Louise Casey said
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that the data was inaccurate when it was collected. It was only half collected and that wasn't successful enough, really
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They also both started by paying tribute to the people who lost their lives in the air crash in India to which I think the first time Angela Rayner had been in the dispatch box which I think is why they did that there But interesting that he did then move on to small boats
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And as we kind of talked about before, Labour do have quite a bad record already
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on people crossing the channel on small boats. They have had 1,500 people crossing just last week
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but the Conservatives have had a pretty bad time too. It's interesting that Keir Starmer yesterday
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basically did admit that it's getting worse. It is a really big problem, but they're trying to, he said he's going to try and change the way they allow in asylum seekers
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and try and make it so if a country does returns deals well with the UK
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then potentially they would be allowed more people allowed into the UK
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But she didn't talk about that. And Defended as well said that her mission is still to rebuild Britain
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which he said wasn't there. And also brought up Article 3, which is something we actually hadn't talked about beforehand
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beforehand but article 3 has been in the news because itv did this big expose about people using
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article 3 um which is in the uh european uh court of human rights it's on torture and degrading
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punishment and itv did this expose which said that people were using it to stop the extradition
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process and yvette cooper actually last night the home secretary said she had ordered an urgent
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review on that uh but chris phil brought that up to uh and angela rayner's answer as it was on
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most things really said they had 14 years of failure on the issues and they didn't do anything
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said johnny come lately johnny come lately indeed quite ill-tempered that i thought that
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reina's response to the original question may have diffused some of the unpleasantness that
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chris philp was planning on bringing to the to the table and and it kind of did briefly but then
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things got quite um not quite ill but got quite testy i do you think we got four years of the two main parties competing with each other over who can sound the most negative towards immigration in general while neither admit the necessity of immigration at relatively high levels to sustain our ageing population and our economy
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It's going to be a mad few years. I think probably unless Reform UK take a massive dip in the polls and something happens to Nigel Farage that, you know, he resigns from politics or something
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Because he will always be there to tell even bigger immigration-related porkies than either of the two main parties can do so unprompted
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I think so. I thought it was really interesting yesterday that Sir Keir Starmer was asked what his biggest mistake in the first year of politics was
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and he said that they hadn't been able to tell a good enough story about what they were trying to do, which has been a massive criticism of their government
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And, you know, if they're now taking that on and potentially going to try and tell a better story, well, maybe that would be a story that is distinct to Reform UK
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The problem is, where do they tell it? Something that we've asked many times on this programme
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Martin's not very happy. He says, I see you only read out the texts who think Rayner did well
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OK, that's from Martin, who described himself as driving when he sent that
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Let me click on... OK, let's do some more. Chris Phelps did well. Rayner was shocking
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That's from Martin, who described himself as driving. Wow, Angela Rayner doing the same thing as Keir Starmer
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answering nothing and deflecting everything. I think Chris Phelps bust it, basically
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Are we all doing the work? I don't understand that last bit. That's from Martin, who describes himself as driving
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Wow, Chris Phelps, this is a bit of a revelation, isn't it? This makes the members think, I think
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what decision they made with Kemi. He is giving Angela Rayner a real lesson at the dispatch box
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And that's from Martin, who describes himself as driving. And that is all the ones I could find
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Apart from Tristan's, I read out Tristan's as well. There we go. So thank you to Martin
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unless there are four Martins who describe themselves as driving, in which case, thank you to all of them
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