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Darlington nurses have declared it is now "illegal not to make a change" following the Supreme Court's landmark ruling that defined women by biological sex, yet they continue to wait for a response from their NHS Trust.Despite the unanimous court decision and warnings from the Equality and Human Rights Commission that the NHS must update its guidance on single-sex spaces, the nurses report they are still being forced to use an inadequate changing room.READ THE FULL STORY HERE
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Thank you very much. Tremendous to see you
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I'm joined by Lisa Lockie and Bethany Hutchinson. Thank you so much for joining us
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OK, so where are we actually up to with changing room gates then
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What's the state of play there? We've not heard anything at all from the Trust
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They haven't bothered or had the decency to confront us at all. So we await hearing from them and discussing it with them
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But this must have presumably given you a bit of hope now. And Lisa, what do you think about this
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Surely this is the wake-up call for your NHS managers? Oh, I certainly hope so
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You know, we've sort of been putting up with silence from the Trust for about the last year
0:44
They've now got much clearer guidance that they can create a new policy with
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We just hope that that's what they're going to do. but again just waiting
1:00
still using our little changing room it's absolutely ridiculous we played a couple of pictures of it before
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I don know if we might be able to bring them back up Bethany just explain what you had to go through really because as I understand it again it is one bloke who is identified as a woman has a girlfriend and the other relevant bits that make you a man I suppose
1:25
And because of that, you've been you've been forced into a side room. Yes, we were forced into a side room
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And it's been extremely uncomfortable. It's been awful for us, really, really stressful
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I think a lot of us have felt like we've been gaslighted by the trust. We feel like we can't actually trust senior members of the team
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that they don't actually have our back, that they'd rather put the rights of one male over the rights of women
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and the concerns of women, genuine concerns of women who have, been abused by men in the past and have had trauma
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And they'd rather allow for a male to be in the female changing room
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causing this disruption and this uncomfortable situation, and remove the biological women who have concerns and put us in a tiny cupboard
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with hardly any lockers which opens onto a very very busy corridor where people can look in and see you get changed Yeah I mean it absolutely shocking to think that as well I mean the added icing on top of that particularly awful tasting cake is you know
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after a long day of saving lives, you're then thrust into a side room
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But presumably the NHS Trust and, you know, other public services have been guilty of this as well
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Dare I say there's probably a lot of private companies out there as well who have felt absolutely terrified that they didn't want to misgender someone
2:49
or be seen in any way, shape or form to be transphobic. But that should all have changed yesterday now
2:55
There's been clear guidance, there was a really clear verdict, a unanimous verdict that hopefully restores a bit of common sense
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to proceedings. So, you know, this is something that needs to be..
3:06
You know, have serious action taken on it and taken quite quickly, really, because I don't see what possible justification
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they could have for not doing it now. Well, you would think it would be illegal
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for them not to. You know, the guidelines are clear now, you know
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Surely if they don't make a change, then they're going against the law
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So we just hopeful that they are going to that something going to happen But in our experience with the Trust so far it been very slow moving
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We've had our court date now put back to October. Whether that's even going to need to happen now
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we don't actually really know what's going to happen because hopefully this new ruling
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might actually prevent us needing to even go to court. You'd have thought so. You would have thought so, and it should have
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And by the way, the absolute lunacy of all of this is that it should not take a panel of Supreme Court judges to be able to say what a woman is
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But, you know, here we are now, at least if the right thing is done in the end
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Look, you know, full square on your side here. I hope that sanity does prevail
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I'm tremendously sorry that you've ever had to be in this position and that you've had to have the discomfort and the inconvenience and all of that stuff
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and the gaslighting, you know, I really do hope as well that they don't try and gaslight you further and say
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oh, well, we were always on your side recently. You know, if there's any way of really going after them
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and getting any kind of compensation that you deserve, then please do go full throttle for it
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because I think the vast majority of the country are very much on your side
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