WATCH: Labour MP demands 'course change' from Keir Starmer

You are a leading MP, and our viewers and listeners might not know about this group

It's called Blue Labour. Just tell us what it is and what he's trying to do while you're involved in it

Yeah, so very simply speaking, we are pro-worker. We're economically to the left, so we're very much in favour of public ownership of the key industries, for instance

and absolutely we reject the kind of capitalist consensus that has grown up over the last few decades

which I think the Labour Party has perhaps not been as confident and challenging in recent decades

But we're also where the public are on the social issues, much closer than perhaps some other parts of the Labour Party

So wanting low-controlled immigration, backing the police to be a force for good, patriotic

So it's a combination of things which has perhaps become rare in the Labour Party

but actually it really kind of would describe our greatest Prime Minister, Clement Attlee

You know, he would have been Blue Labour. So it really not perhaps as different as it would have been a few decades ago but we kind of drifted towards this hyper as a party and we need a course correction So that what Blue Labour is about Now you talked about wanting low and managed immigration I noticed you didn talk about

you didn't use the phrase illegal immigration. So immigration as a whole is too high

Yes, it's about both. Absolutely. So obviously, the boats is the most visible sign that we

have not got control of our borders. And we need that control. But I've written a lot

about legal migration levels overall. So, you know, the thing that really finished the Conservatives

at the last election was they said, after Brexit, we did have control of our borders

we're going to be able to reduce immigration. It went sky high, nearly a million net migration in a year

So they basically stuck two fingers up to their new voter coalition and said, actually, we're not going to do

what you've actually been asking politicians of all stripes to do for the last 20 years

So immigration, there's always going to be immigration, there's always going to be immigration

but actually we want it to be balanced. We want to think about what do we want immigration to be

for our economy, for our country, rather than just having this open borders policy

which, as we've seen, has just failed