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I do, because I think I've always been centre-right
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It's just that everything has moved so far left. And it's interesting that when they are criticised
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it never seems to be on policy. They're just, you know, people just accuse them of, you know
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like school, school yard. You know, name-slinging and derogatory remarks, and yet the actual policies they have
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that never seems to even come into the equation. And what do you think? do you think this is obviously a blow for Kemi Bader
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Not losing Jenrik, he's obviously a massively high-profile figure, but so soon to lose another one of her MPs
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surely that's going to hurt. Yeah, I think one of the things that ReformUK have been criticised on
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is the lack of experience of government, quite rightly, because they're a new party
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So I think, to a certain extent, we do need experienced people coming into the party
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but I also agree that when they've said they're going to put the drawbridge up in May
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no more Tory defections, I think that is important. Otherwise, you end up just appearing like you're just taking anyone
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Well, that was a clever bit of politics. I mean, Cressida, there is a danger, of course
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to many Tories going into reform, isn't there? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in a sense, you're right, they can't win
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The appeal is it's a new party, it's a fresh start, in theory, and then they get accused of not having any policy
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not having any experience, so they start bringing people in. And obviously, Kruger was like a really..
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I think that was kind of a win. and that looks good. But they can't have everybody
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I don't think Nadine Zahawi has been as much of a win
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Jenrick, certainly. But now another one. So they're just coming a bit thick and fast, aren't they
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It doesn't feel like there's much of a selection process. Well, I mean, Steve, are you going to buy..
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What shade blue tie are you going to buy? That's all they're doing, isn't it
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Yeah, you could do this in Photoshop. Eventually it going too far isn it I mean the accusation there no experience You fill that in by going look what we done in all the councils What you don do is let recruit the guys who lost the last election
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They're not the people to fight the next one, are they? Especially when it's..
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The battle within the right is going to be Tories and reform
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And if they're the same people... You'll be able to find clips of the latest defectee saying
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what this nation needs is a strong conservative opposition. Cut to, same person, same shirt, different banner on the astronaut
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down the bottom. This needs a strong reformer, the only ones who possibly could be the opposition
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So it's going to look like, you know, the new Tories, the brand new Tories, you know
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the consecutives. Yes, well, this is the day. Do you have any questions from the audience? I mean
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this is sort of breaking news. Are you excited, interested? Do you think this is the end of the
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Tories even? Well, I'm disappointed about the Tories, how they brought the country after 14
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years in government. I did hope that I voted for Boris Johnson just for the German economy
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not coming to the power. But it actually came out of it that actually it is disappointing
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that the Tories brought the country down, which is really, really heartbreaking for me
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So having going to reform basically is just the Tories should be, originally should be
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I don't think that Tory's reform is something special. It's just basically pure Tories
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But that's, I guess, the best we can have in this country. Isn't there an issue, though, that the same people that you've just said
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the last 14 years and how they failed, it's the same people who failed it. They'll be the same..
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Different name on the party, different name on the rosette. But if it's the same person
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do you not think it's the same 14 years of failure? Well, they have maybe mea culpa, the experience
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You know, if you do mistakes, you know what to correct. So maybe that's what I'm hoping. But you could say that of the Tories
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Well, fair enough. But I feel the reform may be the correct Tories
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That's my hope. But if I may be mistaken..
