0:00
The welfare bill is totally unsustainable. I think you would accept that. I think everybody would accept that
0:07
Therefore, you should be backing with no conditions. If you accept that premise, they're trying to get a grip on it, you should back them
0:15
No qualifications, no questions. Thank goodness someone's trying to deal with this ballooning bill. You're on side
0:21
They're not trying to get a grip of it. In fact, even if this bill goes through, there will be more people on welfare benefit year on year on year
0:29
This bill does not reduce the amount of people on welfare. What it is, is a cash grab of £5 billion because the Chancellor has ground the economy to a halt and she needs money
0:41
This isn't reform. It's not targeted. It's unfair. It's taking money from some of those, yes, who shouldn't be on benefit
0:48
It will also take money from those who should and deserve the money they receive
0:53
Have you got any examples of who you believe should be on benefits that these measures will take off them
1:00
So the thousands of children that will be pushed into poverty by this, according to the government's own impact assessment
1:05
And we've already put measures in place. We are making sure, sorry you've gone there on child poverty
1:10
You dearest to go there on child poverty. The last Labour government took me out of poverty and that is why I'm here today
1:16
I'm not here to talk about Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. I'm here to talk about Keir Starmer and the Chancellor
1:22
And they are now. Where was your child poverty strategy? You didn't have one because you didn't care
1:27
Now, for political point scoring, you seem to care. No, I don't want people who are on pit who need their money to have it removed
1:37
You know that food banks didn't exist. Your 120 of your colleagues agree with me They do not They are good people that care about their communities They do not agree with you They agree with me that there shouldn be cuts
1:49
They are angry with you for 14 years. You know, when I was a benefits advisor, not only did you not want them to claim benefits
1:55
you didn't want people like me to be able to advise them, which is why I was made redundant
1:59
They deserve better. And there's no wonder the disabled people are scared because they have seen how your government..
2:03
Because you're stripping £5 billion off their benefits. ...treated them over 14 years
2:07
That was unfair. We are doing this with Labour values. 10%. Joe Robertson from the Conservative Party
2:15
I'm stressing that just for people who are listening on radio. This is what happened on your watch
2:19
So the year before the pandemic in 2019, PIP cost the then government, your government, £12 billion
2:27
Last year, it cost the government £22 billion. So that massive increase, you're saying
2:33
well, actually, just more people needed PIP during the time, during the last Conservative government
2:38
And that's why Jeremy is doing the right thing. I think everybody agrees that too many people became reliant on welfare during Covid and that we, the last Conservative government, didn't do enough to bring people off
2:54
I'm absolutely up for welfare reform that reduces the amount of people reliant on welfare
3:01
But it has to be done in a way that targets those who shouldn't be receiving welfare
3:07
That is not what this bill is about. So in terms of specifics, Jo, what do you think this does that you believe it shouldn't be
3:13
It takes £5 billion as a blunt cut in order to fill the Chancellor's coffers
3:17
because she's ground the economy to a whole. I have a question. I can give you a specific
3:22
Okay. At Labour's nuttly fleet. I think there's a consensus, probably among those watching and listening
