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Once ministers wake up to this, they'll deal with it, because it's come from officials
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But what I worry about is, is that how Home Office officials think about us people concerned about immigration
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Is that how they view us, that we could all be terrorists? It's totally ridiculous. It is concerning, and I think you're right, Chris
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I think once this gets across the desk of the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper
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I imagine we'll see some sort of clarification going into next week
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And I'm sure, I'm sure, Kemi Baden-Ock, the Conservative leader, will be raising this. Nigel Farage, no doubt, will as well. So the wind will, the wind will, the pendulum will come back the other way. But you raise a valid point that is this how we are, you know, many members of the British public are seen who have concerns about immigration
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I mean, I certainly hope, don't you, that our politicians, Kemi Baden-Og, as you said, Yvette Cooper, I don't know
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are going to be outspoken about this. Will they have the courage to be outspoken about this
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I'd have thought so. I think it clearly offends against freedom of speech
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all the things we are, but they profess to talk about. It's freedom of thought as well, because it says belief
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that mass immigration is a problem. It qualifies you as being... It creates a boil. It creates resentment
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And it's important that when dealing with this issue, that the government is seen to be fair and reasonable and just applies some It seems to me that there some kind of a virtue box ticking in the Home Office But if you trying to And people who are trying to keep us safe
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are good people trying to stop the bad guys. This doesn't help them
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And make no mistake about it. Having a concern about immigration is one thing
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but there is far-right extremism as well. There is far-right terrorism as well
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just as there is Islamist terrorism and other forms of terrorism. It's an ideology-driven
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And it's really important that our security services are under constant financial pressure
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And when they get it wrong, we all see the effects. So they have a clear run to get to those cases that really matter because it's a fiendishly difficult
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I can understand if you work in Prevent, you are dealing all the time with people who are seriously problematic and who have horrible views and who may want to cause hurt in some cases
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And maybe they just get overwhelmed by that. They see so much of it
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and their objectivity falls, doesn't it? But to call love of your country
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and a belief that we have a cultural... Well, a culture that we want to preserve
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to call it cultural nationalism is terribly Orwellian, isn't it? They're making up words that make us sound as though we're all terrorists
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Well, anyway. The Home Office has said this. Now, Prevent is not about restricting debate or free speech
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but about protecting those susceptible to radicalisation. I suspect that that statement may develop through the day
