'This is corrupting children!' Inside the dangerous trans and furry communities 'influencing young minds'

ity, almost. I mean, that's very disturbing to me. I don't know what anybody would find

attractive about pretending to be an animal and being sexually attracted to other animals

but that's essentially what furry culture is. They dress as animals. They dress as, like

giant stuffed animals, and it's a type of kink and fetish that these people partake in

and there is a very large subculture of it, and I think it does go hand in hand with once you get

into these seedier forums. My name is Jamie Michelle. I'm the founder of Gays Against

Groomers. I'm also the president. And I founded Gays Against Groomers in June of 2022

To basically, it is completely comprised of people from inside the community

Gays, lesbians, bisexual people, we've even had trans members over the years. And we exist to

fight back against the sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of children under the guise of LGBTQ plus activism and advocacy and rights. I founded the organization

because I felt like our voices were very needed to combat this harmful agenda that was targeting

children and also hurting ourselves in the process. Every gay person I knew in my life was

very much against it. But, you know, the approved narrative of the community was that we were all

on board with it. So I thought our voices could hold more weight than your average straight person

who gets instantly shut down as a bigot, transphobe, homophobe, all the other labels, which isn't true

but they use that to silence them and they wouldn't be able to do that as effectively and easily with

us. So that's how Gays Against Groomers was born and continues today. I presume that you'll

part of the so-called LGBT plus community? I'm a lesbian. I don't really identify with that

acronym at all. I prefer LGB personally. I have nothing against trans individuals. I'm friends

with trans people. But the reality is that we don't have anything in common. I never have

And I don't really appreciate being force teamed. You know, there's there's such a wild

variation between lesbians and gay men, you know, let alone gay people and trans people. So

I don't consider myself part of the community, the ever growing acronym, but I am a lesbian

Let's talk about some of the radicalization that we've seen, particularly in the transgender

movement in recent years. What is the biggest concern that you have when it comes to

so-called transgender ideology? I mean, my biggest concern is its effect on children

It is corrupting the minds of children, very impressionable children. And I think it'd be

one thing if it was like just a way of thinking, but it leads to irreversible harm, physical harm

mental, obviously. You know, it's one thing to say, it's okay to not be comfortable in your body

Everybody goes through that, especially at puberty. But it's another to say that you were born in the wrong body

And therefore, in order to be your true self, you need these drugs and surgeries before a kid can even consent, you know, before their mind is developed

So that has always been the most alarming to me. It's shocking to me that anybody goes along with it

And yeah, I think we're starting to see the more long-term side effects of these drugs and the mental illness that is not treated like any other mental illness is treated, but rather affirmed, quote unquote

We're seeing an explosive occurrence of violence from trans-identified individuals, often very young

and it's very concerning. You know, the per capita data there, obviously trans people aren't

the only people who commit violence, acts of violence and mass shootings. But, you know

when you look at the amount of trans individuals compared to how many shooters and how many violent acts are committed by trans people, it's quite alarming. And I think

you know, society must pause and ask deeper questions as to what's really going on here

are we actually addressing these individuals and treating them in the proper way? Because

I mean, anybody can see that we are not. When it comes to so-called transgender violence

obviously there's been a lot of criticism that this even exists, you know, against people who

say that transgenderism leads to violence, leads to these so-called, you know, these mass shootings

and so on. Is there actually evidence to suggest that transgenderism can lead to killing, can lead

to mass shooting and so on? I mean, I think the evidence is there. I don't think, as I said

like, I don't think that obviously not only trans people commit violence, right? That's silly

Nobody is saying that. And I don't think anybody believes that. But I think the evidence is clear

that it, this ideology, I think, I think what the issue is, is a few things. First of all

there's underlying mental illness just to begin with. Like this is, it's not a hateful thing to

say it's just true that to be transgender, you have to have a mental illness. It's called gender

dysphoria. I mean, nowadays, it's kind of also just a fad, a social contagion. But if you really

believe you're trans and to be diagnosed as such, you have to have gender dysphoria. That is a mental

illness. Compound that with, you know, this propaganda from the mainstream media and online

and in the classroom telling you that there's a genocide, a transgenocide being committed against

you and your people, essentially, for just trying to live. That's a lie that they're being told. But

I mean, if you're a mentally ill person and you believe, you're told and you believe that

people are out to kill you, to genocide you, I mean, I think it's fair to assume that

some people would go to extremes to stop that from happening. And, you know, they sadly

because the people who oppose like what Gays Against Groomers is doing, the people who support

gender affirming care for children and who support sexualizing children and indoctrinating them with

LGBTQ plus propaganda, they can't tell the truth about that. Actually, it's just about protecting

kids, they have to go to extremes and say, yeah, they just hate all trans people and they want you

dead, when that's never been true. From our end and me personally, that's not true at all

We just want kids to be left alone. But these bad actors and institutions are saying that

because people want to protect kids, they actually want you dead. That turns these mental ill people

that radicalizes them into taking action against that. And then the final piece, which I think is, you know, the cross-sex hormones

synthetic cross-sex hormones being given to a mentally ill person who believes they're being genocided

This combination, obviously, it's a bomb just waiting to go off, and it has gone off time and time again recently

and more so as the days go by. So we did see this shooter or this mass shooting in Nashville, Tennessee

which was committed by a transgender individual who also wrote some messages that seemed to be linked with far ideology So perhaps this is one instance of transgenderism leading to violence Can you tell us about some of these things Can you unpack

Definitely. You know, as a lesbian, J.D. Vance likes to refer to gay people like me as normal

gays. You know, we look like your everyday person walking down the street. I don't think you'd

necessarily be able to tell that normal gays are gay just by looking at them or speaking to them

So we don't really, I don't know much about furry culture. I'm going to be honest, but I know

because I'm in this line of work and advocacy, um, the dangers of, of what goes on with these

dark online rooted fetishes really, um, that dabble into ity almost. I mean, that's

That's very disturbing to me. I don't know what anybody would find attractive about pretending to be an animal and being sexually attracted to other animals, but that's essentially what furry culture is

They dress as animals. They dressed as like giant stuffed animals. And it's a type of kink and fetish that these people partake in. And there is a very large subculture of it

And I think it does go hand in hand with once you get into these seedier forums, you know, that are filled really with with queer and trans individuals

It leads them like it's almost like just a normal sex life isn't fulfilling enough anymore

Like they have, you know, as I stated earlier, it's very you can't be transgender without having a mental illness

And so, you know, if gender dysphoria, that mental illness is there, obviously, like, it's a hotbed for other issues to arise as well. It's not a healthy mind

Do you think that the transgender culture or ideology or whatever, it's obviously a group of these individuals who are a lot of them are online, talking to each other in these forums, talking about these things that, you know, normal people don't understand

And in a way, that's their kind of superpower. That's their weapon. That's how they like it, I guess, because they have their own community with their own jargon and their own secrets. And, you know, it's a kind of exclusionary language

do you think that there are these kind of self-radicalized in a way isolated communities

of people online who are talking to each other and kind of radicalizing each other almost like a cult

definitely I definitely think so and I've seen you know I'm not part of these groups these secret

private chats that exist on you know apps like discord where I believe Tyler Robinson and his

boyfriend were very active, um, or other platforms like that, but obviously they exist, you know

these, uh, the social contagion of trans ideology and gender ideology spreads in the same manner

Um, and it just, you know, it leads from there, the path of gender ideology ends in nothing good

ever. You know, it starts off, people say, oh, it's all rainbows, you know, the pride flag and

the colors and, and, and the love and love is love. And, um, but it doesn't ever stop there

It always ends in, in much more harm to the, to the mind, to the body. Um, and yeah, I think

I think that a lot of this radicalization is self-imposed, you know, they egg each other on

It's like another thing that's important to understand is that these people need validation

and they want to one up each other. We live in a, we live in a time where likes social media points

and likes and followers is a currency. And people want more. It's a dopamine rush. It's a real

problem, not just when it comes to gender stuff, but just youth in general, even adults get

completely sucked into it and get stuck online, you know, doom scrolling and just having this

other identity that doesn't match who they are maybe in real life, but then inevitably it will

start to bleed together, I think. So obviously the alternative point of view is that trans

transgenderism is not a mental illness it's just people expressing themselves their so-called true

selves and transgender people this is again the argument goes like gay people in that they always

have been transgender and they discover that you know in their childhood or whatever and that by

attacking them is well maybe you wouldn't be attacking them but by describing them as being

mentally ill they see that as a kind of attack and an insult how do you respond to this idea

that transgenderism is just normal. We've seen it all throughout history. If you look at cultures

you can look at all these things in the past. And what you're saying is so-called transphobia

Yeah, I don't think, you know, I don't think that that's really fair. It's not a mean thing to say

Like I said, it sounds hateful, but it really isn't. I mean, the DSM-5 had gender dysphoria

in the book and used by, studied by doctors, created by doctors for a very long time

And, you know, I think it recently was removed due to social pressure and yelling about transphobia

But if you go to a doctor, the way to even begin to get hormones, cross-sex hormones or puberty blockers

or be approved for a surgery, and pretty much every, like, 99.9% of the time, you have to be

diagnosed with gender dysphoria. I agree. Like, I'm very well aware that trans-identified people

have existed for millennia in many different cultures as well, obviously. But that doesn't

mean that, you know, it's not, there's not something wrong with your brain. You know

I don't think it's a mean thing to say. Like I've, I personally, you know, mental health issues affect

millions and millions, billions of people around the world. And I don't think it's anything to be

ashamed of really. Um, I think that the stigma around it has been just mental illness in general

has been, um, receding over, you know, recent times. And I think it should continue to, but no

I don't think it's a hateful thing to say whatsoever. I think we have to be honest about

the situation, especially, you know, a lot of people just like to, to cover it up with the

language of trans, like yell that you're being transphobic to shut you up. But then we continue

to get these issues more and more shooters and violence is being occurred by, or is being

committed by people who identify as trans. And so it's not, you know, it's, it's, it's not right

These people, I truly believe they do need serious help. Like they should get the help that

actually helped that actually eliminates the distress. It's not nice to live that way. And

it's and it's certainly not kind to the victims of these violent shootings and murders and their

families to ignore the problem. I mean, we're all adults here. We need to have like, just fair and

honest conversations about it to get to the root of the problem. What about these people, again

who said that this is just a natural form for them? Like they they don't feel that they're

mentally ill in any way. They just want to live their true selves. This is how they feel that they

really are. Do you, would you accept those people as legitimately a man or a woman or whatever they

they claim that they, they are? As far as kids go? No, no, I don't. Um, you know, I think that

but adults, adults are free to do whatever they want. I think that trans people exist. I mean

I'm friends with some of them. Um, I think it's a real thing. I don't think it's, it's, um, that it

the issue doesn exist I think that that is a type of individual albeit very rare but they do exist obviously But if you talking about young people children you know they putting nine on puberty blockers There no way that they can actually know that they trans

You know, they don't. And furthermore, and even more importantly, they're unable to make such a life-altering decision that will affect them for the rest of their lives

such as getting on medications and drugs that are otherwise given to, you know, pedophiles and sex offenders to chemically castrate them

which is what is happening. So let's talk a bit about the children and how they're being impacted

by this. We've seen a huge increase in the number of kids in America, and I think in Britain as well

who claim that they are part of this LGBT community in recent years. I think it was some

surveys have suggested as much as one in five young people claim that they're LGBTQ plus

blah blah blah what's going on there why are so many young people today identifying as as part of

that community I think it's a few things um first of all I think that that's completely unnatural I

mean uh I think that's clear evidence that there is a social contagion aspect to it that there is a

a fad aspect to it um and actually those numbers are finally turning around for the first time I

I saw a poll that came out. I cannot remember off the top of my head where it's from, but it's showing for the first time in like 15 years, fewer young people are identifying as trans

You know, if if this were like people say and society more more trans people are coming out or gay people are coming out, honestly, because society has become more accepting

I don't think that this trend would show a reversal now. I think that, you know, back when I was growing up, and I think through all of human history, kids have gone through phases. When I was growing up, it happened to be like the emo phase and the goth phase. But now you have this transgender phase. Only this time, you know, when kids finally snap out of it, they're left with missing body parts and sterilized, unable to have children and, and have lifelong health problems. So it's very dangerous. And yeah, it's alarming

But I am glad and I think it's it's due to the hard work of organizations like Gays Against Groomers and our allies and parents and just concerned moral people all over the world saying, hold on, this is not right to push on children

You know, I think I just saw an article today that said like one out of every three or four kids shows on Netflix and movies include some kind of LGBTQ plus character or theme

Um, so, you know, when going back to when I was growing up, once again, um, my generation was never influenced or had this kind of propaganda or media pushed on us. And we all figured out who we are, who we were just fine, um, naturally and in a healthy way, I'd say, um, for the most part

Um, so yeah, it's, it's sad. And I don't think that it's right for kids, for anybody to influence

a child or a young person about anything. It's, you know, it's, it's especially, it'd be one thing

if it was harmless, right? Um, but, or it comes from a more harmless place, but it comes from

these industries. I mean, you look at the trans medical, um, medical, uh, field right now, and

it's booming. I mean, it's becoming like a multi-billion dollar a year industry. So obviously

you have to look at why this is being pushed. And I think it does go back to money. And that's very

evil. It's one thing to try and hurt anybody, an innocent person, but to do so to children and to

use them for profit and to hurt them for profit is, I think, probably one of the more evil things

that can ever happen on earth, really. So I was watching an interview recently

between Piers Morgan and Tucker Carlson, and they were talking about this issue

as to why so many young people are identifying as gay and so on

And Piers' argument was, well, the reason that so many young people today

say they're trans or gay or whatever is because it's suddenly acceptable within society to say that

And these people would have always identified in this way if it was just society being open and inclusive and stuff

So in the 1950s, you would have seen the same number of gay children

and trans children. It's just that back then there was a lot of stigma

and taboos around this stuff. Do you agree with peers that actually

this is all about inclusivity and that's why so many people today are identifying as trans and other things

I think that that would be totally fair to assume and to conclude if it wasn't for

First of all, like I just mentioned, that new study showing that it's actually declining

I mean, while the media is still rising, that includes the children's media is still rising

The drag queen story hours are still happening, albeit, you know, here there are more laws being enacted against it to try and stop it

But nothing has really changed in terms of acceptance. And yet the numbers are starting to go down

Um, I think, you know, I think that goes to show that, uh, no, that's probably not true. And maybe

it would be if, if there wasn't also the like mass amounts of outside influence and pressure being

pushed on these kids and shown to them, um, to, to identify as part of the LGBTQ plus community

So obviously your group is called Gays Against Groomers. Can you talk a bit about the grooming

that's going on and why what's the motivation behind the grooming of the children do you think

that there's something like malicious going on here maybe even I don't know a sexual thing why

what's going on with the grooming what is the grooming and why do you think it's happening definitely well I am asked this question a lot and I believe it's a few different things I think

first and foremost as I just touched on was money um you know it's a massive industry to

trans and to to to um provide these transgender drugs and procedures and the younger you get

somebody on it the longer they're going to be hooked up to it people often i don't think

understand or realize that being trans it's not really a noun it's a verb um once you stop taking

the drugs you're no longer trans like you're going to go back to your birth sex even though

excuse me you're always your birth sex right but like looking like your birth sex um without drugs

and without surgeries, trans doesn't exist, right? Like it's, you're not trans. So I think

obviously money is there, uh, probably the biggest motivator. I also think another one

is normalizing pedophilia. Um, if you look back at like the history of queer theory

uh, all of the original proponents of this, this theory, this queer theory, um, were pedophile

apologists or pedophiles themselves. I think that, you know, pushing children, it's these

pornographic books in schools that are labeled as LGBTQ. So like people let it slide, you know

they, they, they feature very inappropriate and heavily sexualized material that is not appropriate

for any child or to be in any school library. And then there's the drag queens for kids

where the, the, the shows where they're basically like children are handing these drag queens

these half-naked, gyrating, very scantily clad performers, they handing them dollar bills in their G and stuff It like what going on here So I think and furthermore sorry the last point regarding that like if a child can consent to doing something as extreme as permanently altering their body taking chemical castration drugs and and cutting

their healthy breasts off, um, what cannot, what can't a child consent to? I think the line from

A to B there is a very short and direct one you can draw. Um, so I, I always find that I believe

that those are the two biggest motivators. Now, I know you mentioned earlier that obviously your

major focus is on the children and on preventing them from having these surgeries and testosterone

and whatever. But what about the adults? Now, someone like Matt Walsh would argue that

transgenderism or transgender surgeries shouldn't be allowed because it's against the Hippocratic

oath. We don't allow people to go and chop their arms off if they want to because they say they

have some fetish for it or do self-harm in other ways. So why should we allow adults who, as you

say, are mentally ill to chop their breasts off or, you know, have surgery, you know, like removing

their penis or whatever it is that they want to do? Why should adults even be allowed to do that

Yeah, I mean, I think that the difference is they have free will. You know, I think that

the line should probably be that taxpayers should have no responsibility to pay for any of the

surgeries. But, you know, obviously, plastic surgery exists. And I'm not saying they're the

same, but like, that there are other surgeries that are elected that lead to great harm and

disfigurement many times. But adults can are have free will and are consenting and, you know

know the risks for the most part. I would argue that an 18 year old does, you know, I, if it were up to me

I'd say 25 because that's when the prefrontal cortex is fully developed

but you know, you can go and fight and die for your country at 18

So then those are just kind of the rules. Like you're an adult then. I think personally that's too young. That isn't the organization stance

but yeah, I think it just comes down to as long as, as an adult isn't hurting somebody else, I, I

I don't agree with having control over other people like that. But it's just when it's a child, they they literally it's impossible for a child to consent

So I think I think and I think that's the main reason that this issue has become so highly just so, so massively pervasive in our society and has inflamed this massive culture war and discussion and action to stop it because they're just children

You know, they're the most innocent among us and they're very innocent for a very short time

And to anybody who would try and rob them of a moment of that, it should not be allowed in a civil society

Now, you talk about some of these books in schools that are showing very explicit pornographic content to children that are framed as kind of LGBT books

now i know that if you go into a bookstore in america you'll get a banned book section which

will have some of these like gay trans books and they they call you like a book burner you know

they would say that you're like a nazi kind of censorship person who's trying to suck down shut

down you know gay voices how do you respond to that that you're the person trying to ban books

I mean, I think that porn for kids should be banned. And if you don't think that it should be, then I am very suspicious of you. And I think that authorities should probably sweep your hard drives, because I think they might find something that you wouldn't be too pleased with the public knowing about. It's just insane to me. It's such a reach. It's not book banning to to keep sexual content and materials away from children

um yeah i just i i 100% do not buy into that at all and i think i think it's another tactic that

they use to shut down the conversation and to to allow these books to to go into the hands of

children like how dare you be a book burning nazi when you just want kids to not read porn

how dare you um you know it's the same how they call gays against groomers an anti-trans

far-right organization despite us having trans members and being non-partisan it's just a way

to shut it down and to allow this agenda to continue through unabated

You also talked about the representation of gay and trans people in media for children

That's massively increasing and so on. Can you give us an idea of what children are up against

today in schools when it comes to the kind of cultural things that they're seeing, the TV shows

the books, the whatever? Is there a lot of so-called gay and trans ideology being pushed

on Kids Today? Yeah, I mean, there are so many examples, particularly on Netflix. They are such

they're like the worst offenders of this, but Disney, you know, Blue's Clues

all the new remakes of the classic Disney movies, they're always, they have to slide in

a trans character. I shouldn't say all Disney movies, but very often you will find these new

kids movies um have a gay character or a trans character or um there was even one i forget the

name of the show but one of the characters was a young girl who identified as trans who was shopping

for like binders and stuff and it's like why are you putting this idea in these children's heads

like they're not getting these thoughts on their own you know it's one thing to let them figure out

who they are on their own and and obviously like they will there will be gay and trans people if

you do that, like, that's how it's always been. Um, but to plant an idea in their head is, is very

nefarious, especially when it leads to permanent medicalization. Um, you know, it's, it's just

I, like I said, I think there are some people who take it way too far. Like if there's like a

lesbian couple in a movie that is kid friendly, I don't think that's bad because all families

there are families with two moms and there are families with two dads. And like, I think that

it's fine to show a child that the world around them, right? But it's one thing to, to put the

idea in their head that, oh, this, this girl likes skateboarding. I like skateboarding, but she thinks

she's a boy. Am I a boy? You know, it's like, that's not true. It's one of the things that

bothers me so much, probably the most about the gender ideology push on children is that it's

racing tomboys and feminine boys. I've been a tomboy my whole life. You know, it's totally fine

for a girl to like skateboarding and getting her knees scraped up and playing in the mud instead

of playing with Barbies and dresses and wearing dresses. You know, that's totally normal. That's

called being a tomboy. And most, you know, or being a little boy and liking to play with Barbies

instead of playing sports, that's okay. There is no wrong way to be a boy or a girl and trans

ideology teaches the exact opposite. And somehow it's called progressive. Mermaids in the UK

I'm not sure if you guys know this out there, but they literally, it was exposed, they have this

scale that they had on a projector board on the whiteboard. And the scale was GI Joe to Barbie

And it was like, if you, and it was like, GI Joe is the boy and Barbie is the girl. And if you like

Barbie more than GI Joe, like if you're further on the scale towards Barbie, then you're actually

a girl and that's just so insane and this is what they're teaching kids like that's that to me is a

lot different than showing you know a same-sex couple um because like that's real and a lot of

their friends probably will have same-sex couple parents so okay jamie thank you so much for joining

us appreciate it