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Camilla Tominey challenges Reform's ability to deliver after party pledges to deport 'anti-British' Egyptian activist
Jan 4, 2026
Camilla Tominey has challenging on Reform UK's ability to deliver on their promises, using the party's pledge to deport British-Egyptian activist Alaa Abd El-Fattah as an example.She asked: "They're fine words, but how would that actually work in practice? "Because Egypt isn't going to take this bloke back. This is typical of Reform, isn't it? Sort of making a lot of noise."You've literally got to arrest him, remove his citizenship and remove him. Do you think there's going to be a queue of lefty lawyers trying to keep him in the country?"WATCH THE CLIP ABOVE FOR RICHARD TICE'S RESPONSE
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Welcome back. Joining me now is the Deputy Leader of Reform UK
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and MP for Boston and Skegness, Richard Tice. Before we get into serious... Happy New Year
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Before we get into serious political matters, congratulations are in order. Thank you very much, yes
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What happened on Boxing Day? On Boxing Day, in the pub, with my hand gripping the mulled wine
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I asked Isabel Oakeshott to marry me and she accepted. Great news. How wonderful. So yes, yes, we are engaged
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and we'll be married this year. The producers wanted to see a ring. They wanted to see a picture of a ring
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Can we see a picture of a ring, Richard? No, not yet. That will happen in due course
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You'll have to invite me back in due course. Well, you know we have some people who are specialists in gold
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who advertise on the station. I know you've seen those adverts. Yes, absolutely. So if you need any help..
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I'll be investing in some gold. Huge congrats. Did you go down on bended knee? No, no, I was routed to the barstool
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Oh, were you? Yes, on the second glass of mulled wine. Well, congratulations to you both
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because I know he's a bell well as well, so that's wonderful news. Right, let's get into the serious issue of the day
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which is Trump's assault on Venezuela and Maduro. Did you catch the Darren Jones interview earlier
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Yes, I did. I mean, it's just extraordinary. He just won't answer a basic question
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Is it a difficult question? Do they support Trump or not? Well, when it suits, but obviously they've got their own left-wingers to appease
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and the communists in their own party and the hard socialists don't like it. Look, this is good news for the West
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Who it's uncomfortable for is the socialists and the communists and people like Putin and the Chinese communist regime
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because they've been supporting Maduro, who's a huge supporter of Putin, and quite rightly, America has said
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actually, he's a threat to our US interests, and that's why they've done it
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They're entitled to do it under US domestic law. It's not just about drugs, though, is it, Richard? It's about oil, it's about links to China
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It's all about the US national security interest, And that actually is also in our interest
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For example, hopefully it'll disrupt the vast amount of cocaine that comes out of Venezuela, comes to the UK and Europe
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I'm not saying it's going to solve it, but this was not a legitimate president
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This was an illegitimate, brutal drugs lord. Is it a legitimate way to remove him
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It was a very successful way to remove him. Of course it was successful, but there are going to be concerns
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And Priti Patel said there are legal questions here. Yeah, there's legal questions
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Within US domestic law, it's clearly legal. The commander-in-chief can do that
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Within the UN international law, Article 51, you can legally apply self There a question as to whether or not other states were unwilling or unable to do the necessary Look lawyers can argue it The reality is that the people who will be anxious
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and uncomfortable about this are the communists in China and Putin in Russia
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It's interesting, isn't it, that the Prime Minister didn't seem to have any advance warning
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Do you know if Nigel Farage has had any conversations? You wouldn't expect them to. I mean, Congress didn't get advance warning
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If you want to keep something secret, you've actually basically not got to tell people
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OK. Let's move on to El Fatah. I just asked Priti Patel about why he was granted citizenship on her watch
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She's made the point that at the time that he was granted citizenship, they couldn't take into account of his character
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and therefore that vetting process that should have taken place didn't. And what she didn't tell you was that it was one of her own colleagues
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Caroline Noakes's immigration minister in 2019, who changed the law. And because the Tories have been so supine and feeble on the ECHR
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they essentially decided to remove good character. And this is on the Tories' watch
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This is the Tories' fault. And then you've got a Prime Minister now who is welcoming
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as a top priority for the United Kingdom, to welcome an extreme racist, antisemite thug into this country
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It's utterly appalling. Apparently he's still welcome, according to Darren Jones. Well, let's see what happens in Parliament this week
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Because I think there's going to be a lot of discussion. But then you've said he should be stripped of his citizenship and deported
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Yes. I mean, they're fine words, but how would that actually work in practice? Egypt isn't going to take this bloke back
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They haven't got a choice. He's a citizen of Egypt and, you know, we have relationships with these..
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But under the current circumstances, while we remain in the ECHR and the rest of it, this is typical reform, isn't it
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Sort of making a lot of noise. Yeah, deport him, strip him. How
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Very simple. Literally, you've got to arrest him, remove his citizenship and remove him back to Egypt
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And you don't think there's going to be a queue of lefty lawyers trying to keep him in the country? Frankly..
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And masses and masses of lawfare. We will deal with that. Well, you won't deal with it, you're not in power
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I'm saying you make these claims while you're in pseudo-opposition. In reality, it won't work
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Wrong. We've clearly said we're going to leave the ECHR, which the Tories blather about but they won't do
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And we've clearly said that we will detain and deport people who are against our national interest, of which he is clearly one
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So, yes, we would detain and we would deport. OK, but you've said he should be stripped of his citizenship and deported now
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That's not practical, is it? Because it's not going to happen. No I disagree I believe that it is With strong clear leadership I think it can be done it should be done and it must be done OK so we got this MRP poll Have I got the paperwork in front of me
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Yes, I think I have. No, I haven't. That's the paper review. Here we are. Suggesting that you are going to win a 55-seat majority
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It gives you 381 seats on the basis of a 31% vote share
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Isn't the problem that reform is going to have, should this play out, that you..
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That's not a problem. means we've got a majority in order to save the country and make people better off again and control our borders
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That's not a problem. That's a good thing. You're going to need a stonking majority for some of the legislative reform that you're proposing, right? Yes
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But isn't this landslide, if you get it, a 31% just as loveless as Labour's
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Isn't this problematic? Bearing in mind that Corbyn, Corbyn of all people
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got a 40% vote share in 2017. 31%. Well, that's why we're going to keep battling
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That's why we're going to campaign hard for these mayor elections where we're hoping to do very well up and down the country
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where we're still allowed to have elections because the Tories and Labour are trying to cancel them all over the place
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But we'll be focusing very hard on that. And if we achieve that, that'll give extra strength and momentum
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And we're saying to people, if you want real reform, if you want to save the country, then you've actually got to vote reform
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But isn't the electoral maths actually showing that you're going backwards? So we had a situation where... Hang on, let me just give you the stats
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Find out now, summer puts you at 35%. Now you're at 30%
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We had an average of you being around 30 in the summer. you're now down to 28
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So, unfortunately, you've peaked too soon, Richard Tice. No, we're just having a gentle pause for breath
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Oh, sorry. We're giving the others a little bit of a chance
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We don't want to destroy them too early. No. They'll still feel able to sort of be in the game
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but the reality is we're going to keep moving forwards. Yeah, your average has fallen from 32% in October to 28% now
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The higher you go, the harder it gets to go over higher. and you can't go up in a straight line
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Hang on, you're not going higher, you're going lower. We're pausing for breath and then we're going to keep moving forwards. No, you're declining
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We're pausing for breath. Say if you were a swimmer, you were doing really well, you were front crawling
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I'm in the down point of the breaststroke. Now you're slightly, you're under the water, you haven't got your goggles on, you're struggling to breathe
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That's how you do it, with your goggles on, you go underwater, you accelerate forwards and then you come up again
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Hang on a minute, to be serious for a moment, you can't be pleased that your average has fallen now by 4%
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Yes, you have got the greens and others nipping at your heels. We haven't got the Greens nipping holes. We're at about 28, 30, 31. The Greens are down at 15, 16 with a guy who thinks he can enlarge parts of the women's body by just looking at it
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I mean this is just ridiculous I very pleased that we leading all of these polls by over 10 percent I tell you where you not leading on the economy So Nigel Farage has now suggested scrapping the OBR which people might have some sympathy for
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but they may ask themselves, well, how do we then trust you on the economy? Who runs the country? Is it the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, or is it the OBR
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It should be elected ministers. I tell you who isn't trusted in the economy, and that's reform
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41% of Britons trust them at least a fair amount on immigration
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according to YouGov, from the autumn. But on the economy, only 25% to 29% trust them
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In fact, the Tories, of all people, are trusted more on the economy than reform
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That's a massive problem, isn't it? Look, we've always got work to do. We're always looking forwards, always going to keep pushing on
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We're not complacent on anything, but here's the point. We are trusted to save this country
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That's why we're leading in 180... Not economically. Camilla, 180 national polls and the average, I think, is about 10 cents
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What is reformed economic policy? Because I think the TV News audience is confused
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You know, you claim to be Thatcherite. Then you're talking about renationalising industries
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Then you're talking about welfare increases, not cuts. It's very simple. We'll make people better off by cutting wasteful spending
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cutting daft regulation. But not tax anymore. Well, hang on, hang on. You do those two things so that you can prove to the bond market
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that because of the Tories' mismanagement of the economy, raising debt, because of Labour's mismanagement of the economy
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raising debt, the bond markets basically are in charge, so we've got to satisfy them, cut wasteful spending
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cut daft regulations, that motivates entrepreneurs, then we can afford performance-related tax cuts
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But isn't the tearing up of your contract with the people, which you presented to the public last year
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before the last general election... It's a year and a half ago now, but let's remember, we didn't win that election, Camilla
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It's now been torn up. We didn't win that... It's been torn up. That was relevant at the time
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Isn't that kind of emblematic? Isn't that emblematic of reform? It's all talk and no trousers
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You put these promises in a people's contract and then Nigel Farage goes, oh, no, I don't think we've got the money for this
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And then you have to say, sorry, we changed our mind. You do realise that there's no GDP growth
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You do realise that since the election, the government has borrowed over £200 billion
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I think £250 billion. So the finances are in a dire state
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and only reform will cut wasteful spending, cut draft regulations, so that we can get the economy moving again
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get people feeling better off in their pockets, and that's when you can afford tax cuts
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I've been told to wrap up. When's this wedding happening? Later this year, hopefully in the summer
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Will I be invited, do you think? Oh, very good question. Depends how nice you are to me. But you are wearing a reformed dress
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Well, actually, I'm trying to be frozen today to reflect the weather, Richard Tice
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Well, congratulations to you
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