How to SCALE Your Freeze-Drying Business | Interview with Parker Freeze Dry | Freeze Drying

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if you're looking to scale your freeze
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dry business one of the first things
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you're going to be looking for is
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equipment now you want some type of
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manufacturer can help build you a
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machine that can help accelerate that
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growth faster run times more consistent
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types of products that comes out of the
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freeze dryer so there's less throwaway
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rate and you're going to want to know
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someone who can help you with the
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service side of that type of freeze
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dryer in this episode of the creative
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freeze drying series I'm going to be
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interviewing the director of Parker
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freeze dry in this interview you're
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going to know who parker freeze dry is
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what machines do they make when is the
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right time to look at an industrial
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freeze dryer based on the size of your
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company as well as we're going to ask
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him some advice and things that he's
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seeing in the industry that I believe
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will really help you gain more insight
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into the freeze drying world so let's
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get to the interview and I'll introduce
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you to Matt all right welcome back to
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another edition of the creative freeze
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drying series we're doing things like
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interviewing people who are
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manufacturing equipment for freeze
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drying accessories and also people who
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are doing different things with products
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to freeze dry as well but today we're
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here with Matt from Parker freeze dryer
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they are based in Minnesota as well as a
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new location that Matt's going to talk
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about in this interview but we want to
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Welcome Matt to the freeze dry business
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Channel and Matt why don't you introduce
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yourself what you do for Parker freeze
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dry and what the company is all about
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would be a great start for all of us to
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hear so my name is Matt grony I am the
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sales and marketing manager for proor
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fabrication which is the parent company
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of Parker Freez dry that's one of our
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divisions here I spend most of my time
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in that brand we do have a couple other
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things that we work on as well but for
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the most part you know as a manufacturer
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of industrial commercial freeze drying
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equipment that's where most of my time
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is spent my role here with the group is
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is to head up sales operations and then
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set up opportunities for marketing
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opportunities where we'll be working
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with various universities graduate
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programs doctor programs a lot of stuff
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in animal nutrition science companion
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nutrition science human food you know I
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mean biotech there's a lot of different
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things going on with freeze drying that
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I'm sure we'll talk about later but I
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kind of got my fingers in all of that
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stuff Parker freeze dry was founded I
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want to say about 20 years ago over in
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the Wisconsin area and our company
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profor fabrication was a manufacturer
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for him we fabricated all the vacuum
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Chambers all of the sanitary stainless
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work and then we would send it off to
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their facility and that went on for you
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know close to two decades and the
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opportunity came up for us to purchase
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Parker freeze dry and we we looked into
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it and and saw that there was a lot of
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potential there for this industry and
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our our ownership group decided to
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acquire those the intellectual property
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and bring it all in house so Parker
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freezer then became a division of proor
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fabrication and that transaction
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probably was
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three and a half years ago maybe four so
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we kind of took that relationship we had
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as a vendor to the next level to become
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the owner kind of started making some
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Innovations on the design as it existed
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in the last couple years we've added a
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lot of different features that that we
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felt were necessary and so far they're
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proving to be we we had the right idea
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because the interest is pretty high on
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on this stuff so that's kind of what
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we've been up to for the last couple
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years here is just defeating the
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industry we get a lot of calls from
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people that are you know viewers of your
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channel that are in the hobby stage or
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in the the fledgling entrepreneurial
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stage and they're just kind of wondering
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what happens next you know I've got one
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of these machines and I've got a product
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that works what do I do now I've got 10
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of these machines I think I've got the
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customer base what do I do now how do I
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take this to that next level because we
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we were all aware of the challenges of
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trying to operate a you know a fullscale
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commercial business with equipment
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that's designed to be worked at a hobby
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or residential
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level when does someone actually come to
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you to look at freeze dryers and is it
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based on capacity is it based on you
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know volume is it based on you know
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actually low amounts of Maintenance
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compared to having to maintain 20
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different freeze dryers where do you fit
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in to for someone to kind of like know
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whether they should be looking at Parker
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freeze dryer any type of indust freeze
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dryer from what I'm hearing from people
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that are reaching out to us and where
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most people are at when they're
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contacting us is they're they're getting
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into that stage that switches from you
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know small batch production to high
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volume production and that's where it
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comes into play some of the things
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you're going to gain when you when you
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move into this realm of equipment is
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efficiency and reliability so you know
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the vacuum pumps are more more
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aggressive or not aggressive more
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powerful so they're getting down to that
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that pressure a lot faster lack of
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pressure I guess your Refrigeration
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component is moving a lot more air at a
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commercial level of equipment than what
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you're seeing on your on your countertop
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units that uh that most people are
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familiar with so you know not only are
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you getting the scale of what can you
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fit in there and process efficiently but
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how fast can you do it too because this
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equipment is I mean for lack of a bet
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I'm a I'm a gear head out of History
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here so it's a higher horsepower piece
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of ma piece of equipment it can it can
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get a lot more done in in a little in
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less time now that being said you know
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with freeze drying ultimately that's not
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something you can really speed up once
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you've got the exact parameters put in
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there because you know you just start
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applying more heat you're just cooking
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it you're not really freeze drying it at
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that point but cooking it under vacuum
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instead you know we we work really hard
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at Parker to provide customer service to
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all of our customers and we want to have
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conversations with them and we want to
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help them solve their problem now that
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being said you know as a manufacturer of
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freeze drying equipment one thing we
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don't get involved with is the the
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recipe development the process
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development side of things so you know
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it's it's up to the customer to have
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their process figured out and and and
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the reason that this is important is
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these are fully programmable units so
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where you're used to just putting your
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product in there and hitting go and
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walking away and then you come back in
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20 hours 26 hours however long and it's
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done so there's no flexibility there it
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just kind of is what it is with units
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when you get into this commercial
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industrial realm especially with ours
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you know we basically allow fully
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programmable recallable
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and provide a bunch of feedback so after
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you run that process then you can pick
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it apart and watch for you know
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indicators throughout the process from
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all of the feedback you're getting back
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from your product throughout the run the
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behavior of the machine throughout the
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run and the different components the
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refrigeration the heating elements the
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vacuum levels you know how hard is the
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compressor working there's a lot of
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different things that are all happening
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there and you'll take the time to really
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drill down and
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identify okay I think this step this
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primary dry phase can be shortened up or
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we need to go a little longer here or
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this jump from 60 degre to 80 degrees
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was a little hard on the product so
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let's you know let's slow that down next
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time and and that's kind of that's what
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I get in when I'm saying like recipe
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development you know we can't tell you
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how to do that we can show you what the
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machine is telling you right but it's up
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to the the user we don't get involved in
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the in the fine tuning of the recipes
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for
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them so when you're saying you've got
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the fine-tuning of your process does
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that mean like the freeze-dried let's
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say fruit that's coming out of there
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it's in a in a better preserved freeze
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drying State than something who is
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something that's over overdried or
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something that uh didn't didn't
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basically extract enough water so like
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you have a less throwaway weight uh rate
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yeah I'd say I'd say that's a good a
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good way to put that part of having all
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the different components and all of the
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higher quality components and everything
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is that you're going to get more
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consistent results across your entire
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batch so it's going to be important that
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you have your batch set properly because
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everything should come out the same the
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way that our system is set up um you
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know we use electric heat for each of
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the pan each product pan and machines
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range in batch sizes from about 100
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pound up to 4,000 pound so when loaded
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properly and consistently with
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consistent product and um a consistent
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program across the board you should have
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100 pounds or I guess the dry weight of
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of whatever you started with you know
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across the whole board there shouldn't
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be an anticipated throwaway if you're
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setting it up properly because the
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system has enough controls in place to
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give you the you know optimal results
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and that's part of that whole jump from
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dealing with residential equipment
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versus getting into fulls scale
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production
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mode so what type of a freeze dryer
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equipment do you have so you said you
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have 100 all the way up to 4,000 lb is
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that how long does a cycle take for 100
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pounds versus that 4,000 pound type of
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machine the cycle time doesn't change
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because the machines are scaled if you
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have a process in place for and I'm just
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going to call animal protein okay that
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can be a lot of different things but
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it's nice and consistent and it's easy
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to discuss if you're talking about
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animal protein in our Summit model which
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is our 100 pound unit actually it's like
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97.5 is what we recommend for the max
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load it's 15 trays about six pounds a
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tray when you're all said and done that
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kind of a process you're looking at
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probably you know 18 hours 20 depending
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on how you set it up start with that
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Summit model in your
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business plan and you've ran it for a
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year and now you're ready to expand
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beyond that you get into anything from
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our Parker 2 which is a 500 PB unit all
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the way up to the Parker 16 which is the
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4,000 pound unit that same profile and
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recipe that you set up in the summit
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goes into that same other unit and all
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you're increasing is the volume and the
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energy usage obviously but you know
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we've designed the systems to scale so
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the the recipe profile can remain the
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same as the business grows you're just
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adding more
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product curiosity question okay so 500
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pounds of strawberries well strawberries
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typically have pretty high water Capac
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like ratio so let's just say it's 90% I
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mean where does you know 400 pounds of
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water go to yeah when you're setting
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something like that up you know like
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where where does that all go to because
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typically we're just used to like a
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bucket us us home and like smaller
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commercial you know freeze dryer type
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people you know we're just used to
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having one batch that's more you know
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like between 12 to 25 pounds or so like
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that you'd be surprised how many people
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don't think about that until after you
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know way deep in the conversations I
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love that you brought that up right off
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the bet because so we we our our system
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has cold plates in the chambers and that
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collects the ice you know as as when
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it's under vacuum the moisture goes
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there and it stays there when the
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process is done we have an automated
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defrost in our systems on our large
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systems the the summit model is a is a
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manual defrost but Parker 2 on up you
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know 500 pound up to 4,000 pound they
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have an automated defrost and all of
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that ice basically melts off in chunks
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and winds up on the bottom of the
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chamber so there is a component of
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disposal that needs to be considered
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when you're looking at your facility or
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you're looking at your location is there
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any rules in your municipality about
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what can go down the drain is there any
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contaminants that you need to be
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concerned about I have some customers
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that are recovering that ice and I'm not
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sure what they're doing with it after
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the fact but it has value to them but I
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do have customers that save it I have
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other customers that shovel it out and
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it goes outside some are putting it just
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on the drain depending on how their
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facility is set up but either way it
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does need to be defrosted before you
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start that next cycle for optimal
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results what happens to the Freez dryer
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if you have water existing in there it
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violently boils and then turns into ice
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and then if it's near the heat Source
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then it'll sublimate eventually but it
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yeah water is funny under vacuum I mean
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everything changes under vacuum like
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everything you you know about physics is
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wrong once you take the atmosphere away
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so there there's lots of videos out
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there where you can see where people are
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doing experience experiments to kind of
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document the sublimation process and
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where that I forget what the actual
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temperature is where it boils I want to
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say it's like 40° or something like
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that what's the typical time frame of
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the freeze dryer now with with capacity
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so let's talk about that 100 pound
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machine you know how long does that
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typically take for a 100 pounds of food
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to actually freeze dry A good rule of
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thumb for all this equipment you're
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probably getting a batch per day you
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know a a food based slurry if whether
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it's a salt that's cubed you know as
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long as it's something that's consistent
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that that is you know easily freeze
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dryable high surface area you know you
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throw a whole steak in there or a whole
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chicken breast then you you're kind of
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dealing with a whole different animal we
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usually guesstimate that you're you're
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you're counting on a batch a day now now
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the caveat there is is with the candy
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industry some of our customers are are
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turning it a little faster but with the
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candy industry it's not always about the
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full sublimation and lization of it they
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kind of just want it to blow up so it
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can get done a little faster as part of
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that speeding up the process you know
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where they're they're purposely getting
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a little bit of melt back going on
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there if you're hitting around 8 to 10
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individual freeze dryers you're going to
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start wanting to kind of look at
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something like that Summit because now
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you can basically have one machine one
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types of machine that you're maintening
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maintaining for the for the capacity
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that you're looking for if that's where
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you're at and you're planning on getting
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beyond that that's that's certainly the
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answer you know it's it's that first
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step getting into that level of
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production it's a continuous batch
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process I guess is the way I would say
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you know and our customers that are you
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know up into the 2500 pound units
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they've got a reason to have more
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Workforce there some of them are running
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multiple 2500 pound units and they've
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basically got a rotation set up amongst
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two shifts so that they're constant
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every couple hours they're switching the
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next machine over that's where you
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really start to see the scale is getting
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into it that far I hope you're enjoying
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the interview I wanted to interject here
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because I want to invite you to a couple
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other of my episodes on the creative
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freeze drying series specifically the
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ones that I talk to specific companies
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who are doing creative freeze drying
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products and that is sweet potato
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awesome and Yo's fro yo bites now I'm
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going to put the link Link in those
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episodes Below in the video description
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it's also going to be at the tail end of
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this video in the thumbnails so make
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sure you take a look at those if this
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interests you I think you'll be really
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fascinated with what these two
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individuals are doing with their
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companies because they scaled from a
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small product size all the way up to
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this size which is more commercial and
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Industrial all right thanks a lot hit
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the like button if you're liking this
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video so far and let's get back to the
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interview how big of a space typically
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with your customers that you have for
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the summit Do do they have square
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footage wise that you typically see yeah
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so not knowing about all of the
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pre-process and postprocess for
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everybody's different needs what I can
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tell you for sure is that the Summit is
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is it needs about a 5 by5 work area that
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gets enough room to open the doors take
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a look at the inside if you need to if
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you need to take a panel off to take a
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look at something you know it gives you
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the space to do that safely it's about a
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5x5 unit about six feet tall with the
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silencer installed and it weighs about
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2500 lb okay so it's a it's a solid
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piece of stainless steel that that you
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know we fabricate here on site and
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assemble and test and everything's done
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here so from a power standpoint the
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summit model we designed that to run on
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a single phase so it's 240 volt with a
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60 amp service which is pretty easy to
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get almost anywhere you get into our
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larger units that's when you start
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getting into the three-phase power and
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it has a separate Refrigeration
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component that's installed Outdoors that
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needs to be piped to the machine that
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that those installs get to be a little
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bit more in depth whereas the Summit is
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is almost a plug-and play you know
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you'll need your your licensed
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electrician to install the receptacle
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that we provide but once it arrives you
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just plug it into that and turn it on
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and and go it's ready to roll is the
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machine loud is it need a lot of
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ventilation when it's running you know
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and I'll I'll call it Full Tilt at the
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beginning of the cycle the the
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refrigeration's running the vacuum
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pump's running everything's running
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you're coming in 85 DB around there you
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know and you can sit and talk next to it
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once it gets out of that primary dry
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phase and it starts to settle down a
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little bit it gets a little quieter but
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you don't have any concerns about you
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know ear protection or anything like
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that with some like you find in some
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commercial kitchens this piece of
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equipment is is easy on the ears I guess
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for for lack of a better term you want
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it indoors you want it in a climate
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controlled area it's going to kick off a
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little heat there's going to be some
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condensation coming out of it at the and
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you know the opening for the for the
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pump and for the vent for the
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refrigeration side so you want it near a
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a floor drain or at least close enough
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to one that you can hook a hose up to it
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to get it over there also for the
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defrost side of things you know you're
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going to take out your big ice chunks
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but the stuff that melts you're going to
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want to make sure that's got somewhere
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to
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go
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what's the most interesting freeze-dried
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company that you've encountered like in
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terms of what they are actually using
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equipment to freeze dry and sell we have
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ndas with everybody we work with because
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nobody wants competition it it's really
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wild David because we get calls every
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week and it's of of different companies
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and different scientists and different
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people thinking like what if I put this
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in there can you do this much of this
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what happens you know I've heard stuff
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on the egg side of things from you know
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like fertilizer natural type pesticide
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stuff we've got all the different sides
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of the food industry whether it's candy
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backpacking meals people exploring
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insect proteins there's all the
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different sides of the food industry we
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have a customer down in Texas that has
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set up their company called milfi that
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that we've done some some advertising
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stuff with them they have an exchange
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program that they develop where they're
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freeze drying breast milk as instead of
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a formula type of instead of having to
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go with formula they can preserve the
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actual breast milk and then save it for
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as long as the mother needs it for but
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we do have a testing program in play
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here at Parker that you know if somebody
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wants to send us a complete batch we can
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look at opportunities to run it through
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our Summit and and do some water
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activity tests on it after it's done
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yeah so that's that's one of the things
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that we do when it comes to the scaling
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side of things weirdest thing I did
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David was I
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we we we get maple syrup from our
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property we tap like 80 trees in the
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spring so I wanted to try and create
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some kind of concentrated maple
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flavoring sugar thing for a a moonshine
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project that I had and it never panned
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out because the syrup wouldn't freeze
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and then it kind of melted back
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immediately and made a gigantic mess of
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the inside of the machine so it was uh
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great on donuts and french toast and
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everything but didn't turn out the way I
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wanted the way I understand that it has
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a lot to do with the bricks the the
21:01
sugar level undesired effects it's
21:04
difficult to freeze dry that stuff from
21:05
what I understand and and I kind of see
21:08
that whenever we try something like
21:09
honey or syrup or molasses you
21:12
know it's exceptionally
21:17
challenging I think the next big thing
21:19
that we're going to see is going to be
21:21
on and I hate to use the worm the term
21:23
sustainability because it's kind of
21:25
undefinable doesn't really have a
21:27
definition but everybody likes to throw
21:29
it around I think that you know freeze
21:31
drying is is has an opportunity to
21:34
really change the entire Dynamic of how
21:36
we get real food real plants real Meats
21:41
things like that because all of these
21:43
things have limitations on shelf life
21:45
and you have limitations on the costs
21:48
for logistics for shipping and for
21:50
maintaining and refrigerating and all
21:51
that stuff and I mean just think about
21:55
at at scale how much produce is thr
21:58
thrown away MH and if we knew that that
22:01
much of it was going to get thrown away
22:02
to begin with when we're producing it
22:05
what if we just freeze-dried that much
22:07
of it from each crop right off the bat
22:09
to disperse it where it needs to go I
22:11
mean that's a real game Cher for our
22:13
entire ecosystem as far as food is
22:16
concerned you know as opposed to taking
22:19
all 10 steps before it goes bad what if
22:22
there was some preemptive work being
22:24
done in front of it where they've got a
22:26
freeze drying facility right at wherever
22:29
the the the the large commercial Farms
22:32
are taking all of that produce you know
22:34
when they're getting ready to take it to
22:36
Market what if a chunk of it is shaved
22:37
off and freeze dried right away even so
22:39
myself I'm not afraid to admit you know
22:41
it's more of my ignorance that I don't
22:43
know what to do and with food excess or
22:47
with the waste you know it's like I'm
22:50
used to eating you know cucumbers sliced
22:54
or in a salad or something like that so
22:58
I don't I don't know what to do with a
23:00
freeze-dried cucumber you know and what
23:03
do you use it on that's different than
23:05
that because the reconstituting of a
23:09
cucumber it just it's going to taste
23:11
different and it's also going to kind of
23:13
like feel and look different but if we
23:15
knew how to use a recipe for
23:18
freeze-dried cucumber to be able to use
23:22
it in a different way that we know now
23:24
what that waste would look like I think
23:26
that's where I the industry headed a lot
23:29
too is like now that there's more people
23:31
doing it people are going to find more
23:33
ways to use the waste and freeze dry it
23:36
like you're saying to where it's just an
23:39
education part and that I think is just
23:42
going to take time but it's gonna I
23:44
think it could it could
23:46
become much more quicker in terms of
23:48
Education here over the next five to 10
23:50
years because so many people are doing
23:51
it yeah and it's not so much just the
23:53
education but because so many people are
23:55
doing it it's the Innovation that's the
23:56
part of it that's the most exciting
23:58
thing because now this is something that
24:00
there are so many people just screwing
24:02
around in their kitchens with this stuff
24:04
you know and somebody going to catch on
24:06
to something and and that's going to be
24:09
part of the next phase of growth for all
24:11
this it's just getting them to that
24:12
point and getting the you know getting
24:15
the awareness out there so that when
24:16
they do have that good idea the
24:18
investors are ready to come on board and
24:20
help them get it to that next step so
24:22
you know when you talk about cucumbers I
24:24
I'm not a cucumber guy but I do like
24:26
zucchini so you know you most things
24:29
zucchini goes into you don't need it to
24:31
still be sliced you can mush it up and
24:33
make zucchini bread or whatever with it
24:35
you know so it's just a matter of just
24:37
finding a different use for those
24:41
things just you know don't be afraid to
24:43
learn because there's always something
24:45
new that you can learn you know and any
24:47
anytime you get a batch that turned out
24:49
terrible and it was a a mistake you know
24:52
it was only a mistake if you didn't
24:54
learn anything from it take chances on
24:56
that stuff when you're developing your
24:57
recipe and everything so you can figure
24:59
it out and then just keep in mind the
25:01
scale is this scalable if that's what
25:04
your goal is if if your goal is just to
25:06
keep trying new things and just see what
25:07
happens and you're you're just
25:09
experimenting and you're finding joy in
25:10
that that's fine but if your goal is to
25:13
scale it be realistic about what that
25:16
looks like you know I turned out this
25:18
many bags of Skittles this week okay
25:21
what does that look like if I'm doing
25:23
50,000 pounds of Skittles in a month you
25:26
know is that feasible how do I how do I
25:28
go about this who can I contact that's
25:31
got experience with that so that's the
25:33
kind of stuff that you know we we have
25:35
so many I I hate to put it this way but
25:38
we have so many calls to action on our
25:40
website because we want to talk to
25:42
people about this and and show them this
25:44
is what our equipment does we can't tell
25:46
you how to run your business but we can
25:48
show you how this equipment can help
25:49
your business is there any industry for
25:52
freeze drying like uh websites or
25:55
magazines periodicals blogs that you
25:57
would suggest people that aren't exposed
26:00
to freeze drying as much like to follow
26:02
to kind of like learn about the industry
26:04
what's upcoming yeah you know that that
26:06
want to kind of dig in and and learn
26:08
more yeah we've got a Blog on our
26:10
website at Parker free.com that you can
26:12
sign up for on our mailing list there
26:15
and you know we periodically add new
26:17
articles there just for industry stuff
26:19
you're not going to see a lot of things
26:21
on there about you know small scale two
26:24
three pounds at a time but there's
26:26
plenty of information being they were're
26:28
always looking to see what's coming up
26:29
next who's doing what so keep an eye on
26:32
that we do put opportunities in there if
26:34
there's a conference that you know could
26:36
be beneficial we we go to a lot of
26:38
conferences and trade shows we speak at
26:40
a few different universities about this
26:42
subject so plenty of opportunities to
26:45
learn just have them go to the website
26:48
park.com and sign up for the blog I
26:50
really enjoyed talking to Matt in this
26:51
interview because I'm not quite yet at
26:54
the scale of commercial and Industrial
26:55
and if you're not don't worry about it
26:57
there's plenty of other opportunities
26:59
for us to grow a sustainable business
27:01
either on the side or full-time being
27:04
Cottage food or in the commercial side
27:06
take a look at my other videos that I'm
27:08
going to put in the video description or
27:09
they're going to be on the suggestion
27:10
side of YouTube and you can take a look
27:12
at how to freeze dry different types of
27:14
fruits and candies as well as a review
27:16
about the Harvest Right freeze dryer
27:18
which I would recommend you start with
27:19
if you're looking at getting into the
27:21
freeze drying business space now with
27:23
that being all said take a look at the
27:25
other episodes that I have on the
27:26
creative free drying series series I
27:28
really like my interview with Sweet
27:29
Potato awesome owner Josh kingon we'll
27:31
see you on those other videos cheers

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