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hello I'm Jeff yeah he is I'm Ross and I am Patrick oh you're not Patrice
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anymore I feel like you know you know that part of me is dead now oh it's done yeah Patrice is dead um it's so fickle
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yeah yeah I I'm no longer um I think I I just you know I'm killing the the part
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of me that identifies as like European because I don't get to go to Germany with you guys
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so British un Jack t-sh yeah you were the vest yeah um
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maybe it's um I should have gone um I I don't even know where this is going um
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who's this chout well that's I I have a question who's that I was
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going to lead into saying you're going I was going to say it's it's odd that you're going extremely British because
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although we are off yeah we will be in Germany as from Tomorrow myself and
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Ross we have our favorite American yeah he's sat right here if you've heard him
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mentioned on the show before his name is Serge his hair is of a blue it is persu bluehead Serge here he is very the
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straight forward I am I am here yes so we met did was elio the first time you
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met no no we meton last and then the first time I met you
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and Pat met you was was at LVL yes and then I met Byron uh Ed and and Ross at
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uh at adaptic conon the previous year the previous year 203 2023 yeah yeah
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yeah yeah and like it was Spiel again yeah then Spiel again Gen Con you were
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Gen Con last year as well yeah I was a j con so a few times yeah yeah yeah so you get a B yeah oh it does God I I you know
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just very cheap go everywhere it's great yeah but no yeah it's I then it
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was L and then I met you at l was I was at L and and was then Pat was
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J J few visit and then again and we're back so thank you very much for making
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the journey to come on to the show it's very kind of you I made that sound then like he came specially all the way from
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America for the show you magic mate we flow him in yeah
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exactly thanks yeah cuz we've got that s some money
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and if you want to fly was to fly more people in please join our patreon absolutely right list yeah you should
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just just join the patreon just just I will even if yeah you specifically Jeff you should join the patreon I should
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join the patreon it's disgusting that all this time I've been a BAL on the channel I'm not a member of my own patreon yeah exactly diabolical to be
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yeah but what is it when we keep meeting you at all of these different
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conventions and tournaments on whatnot what is it you're doing there
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so it's it's it's a bit hard to just wrap up easily that's okay we've been
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basically yeah uh straing guys for gamescape for the show that I work for I do social
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media and some marketing right and one of the things that the store really wants to focus on is making sure that we
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have as much inclusivity for like oh you want to do Miniatures we have all like a
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vast variety of Miniatures you want to do board games same thing right so we go into conventions so we can talk to
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people and be like oh I didn't know that you were coming up with a a board game Ross oh it's interesting that it's a
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this is just a play Monopoly someone's probably want to want it right I've got to be honest It's News
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to us yeah it's great I'll say you keep an eye on Kickstarter soon just tell me
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the rest of the idea after this yeah I'll tell you don't worry brilliant but uh yeah so like we go and we just see
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what's new what's coming out this year and what is something that because I'm I'm more into the painting side yeah
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what is something that I've missed about the board gaming right so like is there something that just because it's not on
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my radar just completely went under the table and if there is what can we do to get it into the store yes um but also
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what I'm specifically looking for is Indie devs that are either making games Miniatures whatever and making sure that
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we can get them into the store yeah where it's like cool you made a run of 150 can we get 10 of them right because
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other otherwise no one in the on our Coast might will either see it or know about it or hopefully if we buy the last
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little bit you have enough Capital to now go and do another print run right so that the store itself can have a little
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bit of a of a sway in what the market is doing but also when someone comes into
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the store they can go oh I haven't seen this before let me try it out so there's that c just of having like a cool little
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game that's not you're not tripping over in every single Gore and it's it's it's
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that that appeal of being like Oh well this I I have a local game store that I go to I have a local game store that I
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free and then that's where I play and that's where the community loves me but I'm in San Francisco let me pop by because there might be something that I
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haven't seen before right um like necro Galaxy is everywhere for the the
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painting like side right and a ton of people know them but not that many people have it in California so when I I
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I was able to go to like toped and be like hey I want to get it in what can we do get it in and he's like here's my minimum order here's what we need I'm
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like great I want people to have something at in the states where it's like I want to support uh Neco I want to
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support Neco Galaxy I want to support this this uh company for whatever it might be but I can't wait the week or
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two weeks where I can't pay for the shipping yeah uh over the pond so it's like cool I can get it from gamescape
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and it'll be there in two to three days right so that you can still participate
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in all the cool stuff that everyone's doing over here without having to wait or pay the the
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shipping cost cuz we absorb the shipping cost because we're not ordering one piece we're ordering several and when we
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price our stuff we're taking that little bit of extra in the shipping and adding it but it's because we're ordering so
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much that cost doesn't bump it up by $20 it's bumping It Up by like at most five
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so your your bricks a Mot store than that you have uh in San Francisco how um
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how varied is it with regards to what's being sold are you still a very heavy 40K or Warhammer or are you or is it a
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really good mixed bag oh it's a mix bag of everything so if you if you come in and you're like I want to play a board
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game yeah someone in the staff will be like what's what what things do you like oh you like this here's the perfect
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board game for you m oh you want to play Miniatures here's all the miniature stuff oh and it even within the
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Miniatures you are more into the Skirmish side we got you right because
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just in the lines of Minis that I can think of off top of my head we have Moonstone malao 40K I mean Games
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Workshop right so 40K and AG of sigar uh we have also a handful of the necromunda
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line several of the GW like just one-off games uh and then we also have Neco
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Galaxy we're working to get in mine works and we're like literally trying to bring in as much as we can so that
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there's as much variety so that you have the option are you a painter or you're a builder or you're player and then go
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from there right and the beauty of it as well is that I love malao not everyone
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else loves malao but because I'm there often enough I can be like hey we need
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to increase the Malo Community let's bring in more players let's bring in stuff I want to do demos I want to do
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pain in takes I want to do this and everyone is super supportive and you can do that for literally any of the
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Departments that we have RPGs we have game night right board games we have a board game night but also a lot of us
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play board games so it's like yeah you can come in and you'll find your Niche
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yeah but then you'll find the niche that you belong to and then you'll find your
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specific Niche within that Niche yes so you're like I like painting but I don't really want to paint I just want to
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paint sexy vampire Lords and you're like we got a ton of vampire Lords here you go well that's so that's good though
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because obviously a lot of the time with um with the independent war game stores a lot of the time they end up in a bit
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of a the ends up with a bit of a click don't they where sometimes you go if you're not prepared to play this there
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is no point going to that shop if you're managing to keeping keeping pushing that level of variety that's that's really
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good because it's it's it's so easy to end up going in the shop and going the air if you don't play 40K there is no
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point it's yeah think it's really good you know as much as obviously Games Workshop has been responsible
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for such a large s of us getting into the hobby at all it's nice to know there's still other things that people can be playing and that's that's kind of
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the idea cuz so like the rule that we have in the store is obviously I can't
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support everything like every game that's out there right yeah but if you
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can get four to six people consistently playing the game we will do as much as
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we can to support you MH so if like the four of us de said hey we're really
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getting into this game right the the game that P that uh Patricia just
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released we can all sit down play it learn it and then you come in and you're
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like look I have these four people playing like great come in and play it because when someone else comes in they
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will see that the game is being played they'll see that there is a community for it and they will want to play it and
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also the flip side of that is the people who are playing it want more people cuz you know someone's going to be on holiday someone's going to be off doing
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this or you know sick or whatever and they go well yeah you know we we you know we can still go ahead cuz we now
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got enough people to yeah that's a big part of it isn't it really it's a huge part of it like uh so before I was hired
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at the store I I I I love malao second edition malao Third Edition came out
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they bought heavy into it then malif for Third Edition crashed oh right badly oh
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dear so I ended up buying everything that they had right I bought everything at like literally that were liquidating
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everything so I bought it there's a picture of me I'll I'll send it to you Pat that is it's my it's my kitchen
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table sorry it's it's a kitchen floor where I PL I put a third of what I had out and it covers most of the floor wow
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right oh my God because it was just that much stock um I was hired and I started playing with these two guys at local
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like community members and I was like hey do you want to play my Alo those two guys uh grew to being six and then just
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this weekend we had a tournament where there was 12 people playing I'm like and it it's in the span of a year and again
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like 12 people isn't a crap ton right when you look at lvo and you're like oh there's hundreds and hundreds of people
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but the fact that any given night any given discrimination night someone can come in and be like oh I see the game
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wait they're cowboys what's going on and you can have that experience I'm like yeah that's what we want how do you feel
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about um which ties into an interview that we've done not that long back how do you feel about the um the the
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resurrection of War Machine so I haven't had a chance to play war machine fully or the resurrection of War
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Machine I I got into war machine uh like two maybe three weeks before the
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community decided we are done yeah so I bought a ton of models and I have a ton
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of models but I didn't get a chance to play it because it was like cool my models are penny guys I'm showing up and like
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everyone was like oh they've moved on do you know your breath your your sigh of relief of it being bought out was head over here
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yeah I'm like look I yeah we got to we got to do it it's it's it's a fun it's a fun game and and to be fair the guys
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that have both that they're a good crew they know what they're doing yeah so I think that you know like 100% if one of
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the things that I tell a lot of people especially at cons I'm like look if you want if you want to work with me and try
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to set up a demo like I'm happy to do it if you have a demo already set up that I
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can run and and show people I will do it because we want we want someone to come
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into store and be like it might not be Sergio's favorite game but it's my favorite game and now I want to play it
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yeah right and I want to bring other people in and I want to come in because you need a space to play like
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I don't know how it is with here in the UK but like in San Francisco space is King yeah right and if you like you're
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not going to have a 4 foot by 4 foot table that you can use to play we we're looking if we've got 4 foot by 4 foot
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rooms yeah some of the shops over here yeah exactly yeah but um you know because yeah I think of that one of the
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thing that's been a major if we do talk 40K for a minute one of the things that's been a major issue here is that a
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lot of stores when um when Co struck they got rid of the they were allowed to
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reopen but they got rid of that community area cuz the the store that um
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the local Nottingham City Center store you know there used to be you go in there sometimes to buy stuff and there'd
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be people just sitting painting or there'd be people gaming and and then just took it all away way for Co and
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it's and it's not come back and and I think you know I think it's just demos Now isn't it small Dem and I think it's
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you know any any store that doesn't have a space to play it's it's you know I
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know you know we're we're really good friends with uh with Byron who has
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element and is also the the the the main man behind art of superus he's got a
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store in noting that we absolutely adore it's you the amount of paint in it is
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just ridiculous but again yeah as this as it stands at the moment nowhere in there yet to to game I know it's
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something he's that they are trying to work on but I always think it's a bit it's a bit sad when you go in a wargamer
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store and there isn't the ability to roll a dice right like that so when when I went in cuz I went into pre-co when I
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started painting and and started getting to the game I love the feeling of being able to look at someone and be like oh
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what what what are they doing what's going on or being like Oh that's a new thing like I've never seen that green
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line it's like oh that's green stuff that's the epoxy right that's what this is what it does and you get to sit down
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and you're like you leave knowing that you just made a friend yeah and that's a great feeling and that's what we try to
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do because like again we don't have all the space in the world we can't host you know a an lvo size tournament but we
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have enough tables that we're like cool we're capped at 40 players we can try to squeeze as many people as we can because
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you all we want to give you all a place to game yeah and whether it's like Miniatures or board games or anything we
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want to make sure you have the space and currently we're working with other people being like okay you have a space
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that is for like a Rec Center can we host RPG night there can we bring large
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groups of people cuz now it's somewhere between like 20 to 40 people consistently playing you're like can we
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host it with you and a lot of the times they're like yes because the store has the reputation of being not only a store
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but a community hub Community CER and it's like I just finished school what am I going to do I'm going to head over to
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gamescape I'm going to chill I'm going to paint I'm going to talk to the employees see what's new see what I want
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to play and see what I might have missed which is the key part it's like what did
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what have you missed that is going to be your new favorite hobby well the good the good thing isn't it I think is that um if you got two guys in the middle of
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a game and it's a game you've not seen before even if it means stopping them playing they can't wait to tell you
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about why you should be playing that you you're you know this is um this is it isn't it you to some
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degree in without sounding like it make it sound like a mellan thing to say but they um your your customers are your
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best salesman I think 100% you know like nothing sells a game better than the moment you realize that someone is just
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like this is my favorite game here's why it's my favorite game don't get wrong they you're going to get an utterly biased opinion of it you know you know
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but if you went it's this good they went it's all right you wouldn't be as that but you know they go it's the best game why aren't you playing it that's what
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you want isn't it when you have someone come up to you right and they they say like hey this is this is why I love the
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game and they're saying it in the most like stoic tone you're like okay cool you got paid to say this but when
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they're genuinely saying it and they're stumbling over their words because they're just like they're just so
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excited you go oh this they're saying it for a reason they're saying it because they do genuinely believe what they're
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saying maybe it's not my favorite game but I'll try it and the thing is in the possible way I think um uh enthusiasm is
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the easiest way to is the easiest way to encourage somebody to to try something else isn't it you know it's like
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um in my barber shop I I paint my figures in the barber shop and and people sometimes can pass and we'll go
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yeah you know what's that and you know what is you know what are they and you know and sometimes you go um oh watch
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this and they go well what it sort of set round and you know you God you know it's like 25 haircuts to explain war
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hammer 40,000 but you do your best and go well you know it's like you know human races all over the Galaxy and this
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that and there's aliens and there's this and that and then I did this to somebody a little while ago just during a 25 30
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minute haircut and he came back in and he went I've consumed about a 100 hours of
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law podcasts now because I'm now obsessed with it and I was like are you g to and I was like are you going to
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play paint it you want to build it went no not in the slightest I just want to I just want to listen to the story cuz so
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bizarre but you think you know and you think and that was just me and passing well it's this and you think but the
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passion rubs off on people doesn't it and it's such a nice way to it's a nice way to sell a game isn't it yeah it's
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it's a nice way and it's also it's a a much more like personal way of selling
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it because so for me I one of my favorite RPGs is called basion The basion Passion of the passion you said
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that well yeah thank you it's almost like I speak Spanish it is you practicing that on the plane all
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the way over just to bring it up that's all I've been saying it's
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just um amazing it's it's a telen Noella RPG right oh no okay and the the entire
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point of it is that you have everything so bombastic right you're like
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No And it's I've been I've been gming the game via zoom and one of my friends joined us because he's like I like RPGs
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has has never watched a soap opera does not even know what like the shop genre of hel of LA right um and we were just
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we finished like two two sessions and he comes in like yeah so like why why are there so many doors being kicked in
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right it's like it's like I I I find it funny but I don't know it and I was like
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well it's a it's t and I'm explaining to him the situation um and he comes back to me like a week later and he's like
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dude I've fallen down the rabbit hole of Netflix Tel noas oh God he's like I I've
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watched so so many of them like yeah cool like that's great he's like I can't wait for the next session because I now
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share that passion I'm like yes can I ask a tel Noll question as as an Englishman um I don't for a moment think
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Mexican people aren sharp I know they are but at the same point in time do you
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just know it's trash yeah yeah you know it's trash it's it's it's it's not like there's people tuning into it going this
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is you know this is right up there with Hamlet yeah everyone knows no oh no is
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it like is it something something similar to like reality TV shows like the only way is essics like nobody
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nobody's watching it because it's good television but it's good because it's bad bad is that what is thing it's but I
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assume the Mexican grandmothers are like full so there there's there's two aspects of it right because you have so
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T Nolla technically just means soap opera right it's it's a it's a it's it's
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a show but there's a tel Noll the way that we use it in English which is just
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the subgenre of the overacting extreme thing right and that is usually like Pat
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said the Trashy shows that you're like I'm watching it because I know that the
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bad guy is going to get there come up and I'm watching it because I know the tropes right is it basically like
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wrestling but love the wrestling correct over over the top more sort of
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like horizontal wrestling I believe that there is a wrestling telen Nolla I was thinking
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well you know the that much the more romantic things but go on
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no sorry so you've got so you have that and that's going to be like you know during when the kids are off to school
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and then you'll have the TS after hours that are that are the thought out ones that are the hey don't don't be playing
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like the the villain song the moment they like you look in the camera right yeah um but you have both of those
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extremes and the people that love them hate the other every single person that I know
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that like loves the the like oh no what like what have you done like this is the
21:45
the worst thing that you've done and how could you have done this the thing that you've done and you're like show me what
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they just did like stop to sing it's like who's that guy on Tik Tok who's got
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the okay like he's got like a balloon and covers it in paint and you're like constantly waiting for him to like pop
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the balloons oh just wait a minute and yeah no no no no it is um but no like you're
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waiting for the um you're waiting for like the thing to happen he's constantly like oh look when I spray paint this
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thing on someone's like and we're going to remove it in a minute and we're going to do this and and you watching for 20 minutes of them going we're going to do
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it and then you and then you're like just do it like going on there's an incredible um there's an Incredible Gift
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of just like you know just doing scrolling on Reddit of this like truck racing towards a wall and it's like a
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really old [ __ ] truck and you're like this is going to be amazing this is going to be the best crash I've ever
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seen and it and they're filming it with like a billion cameras so it just cuts Cuts Cuts Cuts Cuts just before it hits
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the wall and then it just Loops over and over again and you never see it you watched it three times
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before watching the same thing but it plays that audio in the background that like s like d yeah it sounds like you
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know my a heal for that sort of loop thing is anything with with uh you know
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cute animals I was watching one yesterday and I thought I actually thought how many fish can that beluga
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whale eat and then I went oh no it's actually about 15sec Loop it rolled it rolled its head over
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they looked at its mouth to make it sure his teeth was okay and then they FedEd the fish and then I was going how often
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do they how how much checken of teeth do they need to do and how many fish can a b away eat the I think I might have
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watch this seven or eight times now when I realiz just checking each tooth individually that's what I thought they
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were too with them with the tel Noll thing though it's not just cuz I I think I first heard of it cuz it was ugly bety
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wasn't it that was a show that that then kind of like made what a tel Nolla is famous but we've had them over here like
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there was a there's a real and I can't remember it was years ago like back in the late ' 90s early 2000s but it was
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like a proper you know Days of Our Lives from friends it was that but it was real
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like and it was that real overacting oh like this person's the villain and you
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know a they've had a brain transplant and random stuff like that going off but it actually was Y and it's it's so
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ridiculous but I couldn't stop watching know I'm no sort of wonder whether we might need this RPG game yeah we do need
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I have I coffee we can play it brilliant okay well that's it thanks guys really
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apprciate going to to slam a door I I would love like a yeah like a like a
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soap opera RPG you would can you could just imagine like so
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like RPG T Noella Horus heresy I've just primar slamming doors as they walk out
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you see you see that but that is the that is exactly the thing that I'm running a month from now really yeah so
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uh like one of the events that we do at the show what I was saying right the RPGs we do it once month and we have a
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bunch of tables that are just like cool bring your group bring your friends come in and play right it's just providing
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the space but we also have different people running one-offs so it's like oh
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cool you want to try this game system or this come and play with us we have a a GM they're going to run it I have
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consistently bugged our events manager being like hey um so um tell
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themg finally they they have been like okay fine I will let you run your telen
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Noel RPG so uh for next month I am running a telen Noel
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RPG from using set during the Horus heresy
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oh and I'm just like I love it it's great I because I'm not using the ter
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you know the name Horus at any point um who yeah yeah exactly umen Henry
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heresy we you're not my real dad that has said so many I love it shut up Peter
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turbo you don't know turn to the camera yeah what what door breaks down oh no
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it's Johnny Warhammer yeah incredible uh but yeah so
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like I I was showing on front of mine my notes for the campaign and he's like is
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hey just want to let you know this kind of reads a little bit like horus's betrayal and I was like yeah coincidence
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yeah absolutely not another friend of mine comes over and looks at it he goes I must be in it I request to be in it
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and I I want to just be dropping as many puns as I can regarding like Warhammer
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until someone realizes what's going on and I was like please do I I want you to
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do it what are the what are the uh the prim marks out of the twins uh is it alarus is it the way they
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think might don't it's Jennifer and jamaa yell hat I think those are the only books I've ever read
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I think there's one where isn't he where they think there's actually two primarchs and they don't know for sure
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if there's two I'm not massively up on my that's a real tell Bella thing is it twins that's always a big thing isn't it
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think play in the RPG by the way yeah one one of the classes is the evil twin
27:18
yeah and the the the way the class works is you you create your characters right uh so you create the characters you're
27:26
the evil twin you literally go I'm Pat evil twin here's why I'm like here's why I'm I'm obsessed with like being better
27:33
at them at this one thing uh and you have to pick what is your what is your
27:40
secret reason for wanting them dead because that is part of the evil twin Trope it's always it's not like oh
27:47
we're happy together it's like no no no I hate this person yeah I must wear their skin one
27:53
of the things even though I'm not a brain surgeon I must become the brain surgeon one of the things do is one of
27:59
your actions is if they're not in the room you can claim to be them and then
28:04
whatever you do is attached to their character pick up the pieces when they
28:09
come back so like if if you could 100% just be like hey uh you know Ross I just
28:17
want to let you know me being Patrick I I think I don't think you're a good painter you're your 3D printers are
28:23
broken I don't know what happened to it and then walk away and Pat has to pick it up for yeah be like well G me res in
28:31
[ __ ] can't drink it I love uh people have tried I think so yeah don't don't
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do that it's not even something I would joke about on a video because somebody will copy you and then law suit yeah no
28:44
it's it's so like the the amount of time that like someone has picked up something I'm like hey did you read the
28:50
warning labels on that like it's like no I'm like you have a 3D printer I don't see gloves I'm like yeah it's F God no
28:57
please gloves yeah I've seenau in like Facebook groups where people have got pictures and they're like what do you
29:03
think of this print and their whole hands just dripping with res um I think go and get your sub 20 yeah
29:11
before we start talking about the print let's just talk about precautions and things like that but again it's it's
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it's yeah it's a dangerous uh thing but kind of tying it back to the short is like one of one of the reasons I've
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gotten slightly better at theint is cuz I have you to contacted me like hey I'm buying a new printer I have a thing how
29:31
do I do the thing safely right yeah and if you go to a store they will tell you like hey this is how you get into the
29:38
thing yeah by the way here are all the pitfalls that are going to fall in front of me do not fall for these pitfalls cuz
29:44
I did and I want you to you know have lungs when you get yeah yeah you want to have a good experience and not die yeah
29:51
yeah so that's what I hope every single time I play Pion Pasion I just don't want to die Pion Les go no go on okay
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here we go right sorry Mexico
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pass
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delion the l l
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yes no
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words yeah um
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Pasion pasiones theas Pasion there you go do I get my Mexican card now that's
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it now you are now officially a citizen of Mexico pasiones the last
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pasiones torillo burrito tortilla burito I couldn't even say Tor straight the
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you're doing well then straight into the stereo just to be right what what is the first thing you came to eat when you
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were here in the UK we've had this conversation this morning technically it wasn't the first thing I came the first thing I came in the UK was Pol
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Governor actually at this point yes that was what I had right uh so I had Turkish
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food that I sorry Polish food that was fantastic my my buddy is is Polish and he was like hey go have this great his
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partner and I love I have to preface this I love his partner they're awesome and they meant well and I am happy that
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they did this I the following statement has nothing to do with the the partner
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great now what happened was that the partner ordered us Mexican food um or
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what the British call Mexican food what you call Mexican food like I said earlier on when we were having breakfast
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I know I know where you're going and I understand um the thing is when you say British and food in the same sentence
31:51
there's there's there's there's a wide space between those two places oh oh I I
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believe that after this I believe yeah saying say like it's great where people say uh obvious like Britain's culinary
32:04
um Delights internationally perhaps has a bit of a bad rep but it's wonderful when you you can say like no all my
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favorite food is British like pasta pizza Curry Turkish
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food probably over a 7day period in our house we probably have two meals that
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probably come from here yeah you know everything else is yeah yeah
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it's it's still God it's so British that's just what happens when you part an Empire what more can you say yeah yes
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yeah well thankfully the British didn't colonize Mexico and we can keep it that
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way yeah yeah but imagine how good all Mexican food would be here if we had oh God you know cuz our Indian food's
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really good cuz we had control of that for a while but if we'd have uh if we'd have uh if we'd have took Mexico when we
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took the states maybe we uh before it was the states obviously maybe maybe our
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Mexican food now would be really good instead of the absolute horeshit that it is so is I got I got really excited when
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we were reading the the like the receipt of what we ordered because it like first off do you know what thinga is no thinga
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yeah t i n g a thinga no no no okay so it's it's not commonly known it's it's a
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it's a dish that's like a little less well known right it's it's shredded chicken it's usually boiled with like
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Chipotle and you will add a little bit of like cream for some creaminess that's kind of optional but it has pepper
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onions or Chipotle onions and chicken okay boiled stewed and then shredded but
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it's usually a thicker sauce like a bit of like a pasta sauce like a thick pasta sauce right okay sounds good I know I
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know where this is going already going it's phenomenal but it's not commonly known okay everyone knows a burrito
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everyone knows a taco yeah we got the receipt and it goes three chicken Bing
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tacos and I'm like that sounds good you have taken care into learning what our culture does the next one was beef
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thinga tacos beef thinga as far as I know is not a thing apparently thinga just means
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anything boiled which is already a great start um boiled beef yeah God see maybe
34:20
I'm wondering whether you're going to bit confused because we um some areas of the UK explain his Cuisine to him
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you're a bit confused I think might be a cultural crossover here that that that
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our our man said isn't aware of is that um is that uh Sometimes some some
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English people when they can't think of the name for something they say thingy don't they oh yeah thingy maybe I wonder
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whether that they were just m mixing that word up a little bit which like I know what it is but I can't quite
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remember the name of it maybe that's it maybe just beef thingy beef thingy it's a be thingy yeah sure beef thingy Taco
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pass us some of that beef thingy and the and the chicken thingy I am I am happy with calling that a thingy because that
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that's that was certainly a thing was definitely a thing not Dinger no it was
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not Dinger different yeah cuz I I'm sorry man on behalf of our whole nation
35:17
I apologize for our level of Mexican food it is I mean food just apologize for our level no no no no I'm not having
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that but I will apologize for Mexican F I mean the the thing is the the tortilla
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was fine I'm sure the tortilla was just store bought it's just fine uh I'm happy with the
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tortilla I don't understand why there was so much vinegar to the point where
35:41
I'm like oh it's it's must be a really Juicy Taco oh no that's a straight
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vinegar dripping out of this I took a bite and I
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cried cuz it was just like oh sorry M I think on on our um sort of miniature
35:58
sort of painting podcast what people are really really Keen to know was how how was your first experience of uh baked
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beans oh yeah so we had them on the fry up this morning yeah we did have them on the fry up that was good uh uh the fry
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up was good to say that talking to the chef I I I did say to to to both of you
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um this morning I was like it will be an experience yeah you don't have to like it what you do have to eat it follow
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which we did but at least a homecooked full English oh it was is better than
36:31
like cuz you can get them it wasn't it wasn't full English like I didn't I didn't do black pudding I put a tomato
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on there mushroom there another one it was a 70% English something like that
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but it's better than like the the only other times I've seen people try them because they've heard of them is like you go to hotels that have got all you
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can eat and I saw this this lady once at a buffet that got all the things that make an English breakfast like your um
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what's it you've got your egg your beans your sausage your uh your tomato your
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baked potato yeah exactly that look on your face is exactly yeah and I'm like
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oh so close and I'm guessing she obviously wasn't from the UK but she got everything and included a baked potato
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and I was like no no so I felt offended and I'm someone who eats who eats and
37:20
not likes eats British food and I'm like God you can't even do crap food right do
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you know the one I used to hate when I was in the military on the weekend they would start serving breakfast yeah and
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then breakfast was open basically all the way into lunchtime and then it slowly
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morphed as the day went on so you know as as things ran out they didn't get as during the morning as things ran out
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they didn't get replaced yeah you know is that why it's everything's the best when it comes to British food that's basically blame the British army but the
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one and then another one would be people would like a full English breakfast like around about 11:30 about 11 with chips
37:59
fries no you can't put fries on a what is a full English breakfast because
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here's here's from someone that does not know what this is here's what has happened you're like yeah so you know that thing that you had today it's
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that's called a fry up but if you add tomatoes it becomes a full English breakfast except that it's not cuz it
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doesn't have potatoes no no so the potatoes was a joke you don't you don't you don't put a baked potato on a full
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English no so so a full English is what beans sausage bacon okay
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um eggs of whatever variety you like scrambled over easy fried couple of
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fried tomatoes and then and then gr Tomato Grill Tomatoes um and then the
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one that's debated cuz like it depends whether or not you like it the black pudding ah okay black ping I I didn't do
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black pudding I also um you know controversially I love a hash brown I
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want a hash brown yeah controversial I think that's fair I think it's it's being adoped has brown come is com in
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from your end of the world I think I think McDonald's I think McDonald's is responsible for the hash brown making
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its way onto the British plate yeah can we add a fried Twinkie to the No No
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sweet you can also have H sliced talking about potato you can have sliced potato cake oh that's like
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Scottish what the difference there it's like it's like a it's almost like it's pancake it's like a slice of pancake
39:27
it's actually it's actually predominantly made out of pan out of uh potato and
39:32
flour you can have that an option of an Yuki yeah it's that sort of thing yeah
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and other things you can have um the problem being with a full English is
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that it can if you head over to like Northern Ireland and the Republic of irelands then you start to have um uh
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Guinness yeah Guinness yeah even no matter what time in the morning it is you have soda bread so you can have soda
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breads which is like this really quite a thick very dense type of bread okay it can go a lot of variety it's like
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talking about it's like the British accent is depends on where you go for your full English it can vary from place
40:10
to place as to what's in it fried bread is one that I always used to yeah Fri bread just a slice of bread in a sliced
40:16
Loaf and then you fry ity up um but yeah so it's all thing but yeah so that
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that's the food phase yeah for the that's
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I'm interested um in your gaming store like coming pretty much excl well done
40:34
bringing it back around yeah thank you you're um I haven't done it yet but I'm trying um's he's thinking of the
40:41
question as he's saying the words God get away from biged Beans I'm keeping the camera locked on me so I'm going to
40:46
say the thing oh the thing about the biged beans why did you add ketchup we've got to quickly do that big
40:53
beans so they're in a tomato sauce that it's not ketchup has a lot more sugar
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inet a lot ketchup okay baked beans it's just it's just lubrication break beans
41:07
break beans is really you don't I don't know if you you've ever picked up from like the British aisle in in the I know some of your supermarkets in America is
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um brown sauce HP Sauce that oh we need to play we need to play
41:20
the game I'm going to show you a word and you have to pronounce it um oh don't do that I know I know what you're going
41:26
to do don't do that that's not fair don't do that to I don't get
41:31
how flew all the way to be on this show well you flew me I can read the word yeah no and and it's great no this it's
41:38
just wonderful yeah you're you're on our show you you're already on the way to getting cancel oh I see what I see what
41:44
we're going yeah say say that word there's so many letters in there that you don't pronounce and and the one that
41:51
you need to in the words yeah we have a go at people saying aluminum yeah again like
41:58
this is like I'm I'm all for our differences to be celebrated and it is a wonderful thing and this is just such a
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stupid thing about the English language I wonder if anybody watching right now can guess the word so so we'll give you
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an idea it it's it's a drizzly source yeah there's I saw an incred toast I saw
42:17
an incredible Tik Tok that was like um all this sort of like emotional like
42:23
footage and it was almost like a like a very soft spoken therapist saying like there's three things in life that are
42:30
the hardest to say and it was like I'm sorry I was wrong I love you and watch
42:38
you CH shers gone four four
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transparency did look up cuz Pat heny his phone with you know the sauce uh on
42:49
there what sauce I just just I clicked on pronunciation I still have no clue how
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to say this
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I don't know after a good start wor sauce what was that that was
43:09
good that was very close yeah for anybody watching right now please Google uh this source so please try to
43:15
pronounce the thing is now now that you've said it so badly I want to go and say it and I'm now worried I'm going to
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kill it yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's from a place called wer okay which is sp yeah
43:26
so it's like w J W see I get it wrong yeah you just can't do it wer
43:34
sauce wor Source yeah what you've got to learn the first thing to learn with regards to yeah like sh is not even in
43:40
it is you just call it this is quite funny because you know when you think about the fact that Hobbit was written
43:47
by an Englishman yeah and it's the sh but it's a funny thing about it is it's
43:53
something we never say we say sh yeah okay yeah yeah what's the sh we never
43:59
say sh even though we say the sh but we never say it's just a sh there's also an
44:06
Incredible video of an old Italian chef trying to pronounce it and and and it
44:11
it's just so good yeah so there you go we have to have to be Tri by fire yeah
44:17
and for our next guest from the US we'll get practicing yeah we'll we'll
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persecute them as well so anyway what was you going to say about game ST no I thought you were going to hear me
44:29
like a Welsh town or something we're not that we can't even
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we don't know either yeah wor sauce yeah it's brilliant it's such a stupid word
44:39
um yeah so um you run a friendly help like and Market at your friendly local
44:45
gaming store um one thing that struck me going into like Jen con and other
44:51
conventions like outside of wammer is just how massive card games are
44:59
how much of your shop is car G like is Miniatures the biggest thing you do or
45:05
no or not no so uh the biggest thing we do is well biggest thing in volume wise
45:13
like the actual uh space on the the store is going to be board games right
45:18
then the next one uh is if you're looking at biggest in like actual amount
45:23
of sales it's tcgs it's hard games yeah so magic and Pokemon are the biggest
45:29
ones right now uh one piece is really really uh taken off in in our community
45:36
so the we have like events every Sunday for One Piece games is that one piece as
45:41
in from the the C it's the it's the manga the anime since the shows got
45:46
popular then because they did their live action didn't they so here's the thing and I'm I'm going to get a lot of of
45:52
people that are nerdy uh already hating me I've never seen Star Wars um have never consumed any Star Wars media but I
45:59
love sci-fi um how have you managed that I I grew up in Mexico that's that's how um no they
46:07
didn't have a tell Noella version of I to say to be fair there is a lot of door I think most of the Star Wars
46:14
storyline has come from a tel Noella script like yeah someone's not someone's Dad yeah but they took they took all the
46:19
fun bits out you got to you got to have the you know door slamming when you're like you're not my father I was oh
46:25
nobody is that's the problem no Chef spoilers chef and well like I I
46:33
saw for my birthday yesterday happy birthday me Empire Strikes Back in the
46:40
cinema for the first time and it was such an incredible experience yeah the two people that I was with fell asleep
46:46
sorry I've seen it before I've seen it before a lot it's my favorite movie um
46:52
but I'd never seen it in a cinema um I wanted to go on the big screen he got offer I yeah
47:00
we're too busy yeah getting ready for this week travel got to get to Germany
47:07
to to a gaming convention but um I'm unfortunately old enough to have seen it in the cinema on its release yeah and
47:14
Star Wars it's so it's so good I'd like I haven't seen it I've got a bit of a problem with Empire Strikes Back I don't
47:20
want to know no I'm going to tell you anyway if it's ruined it for me I'm ruin it for you wait hang on before you do
47:25
that which version was it do you know um it was the kind of the revamped version
47:31
but because Empire was just so good essentially all they did to it was
47:37
around around Cloud City just made some of the windows a bit bigger and they and they actually to be fair improve the
47:43
wamp scene yes they did yeah they is that the the wamper is is that the
47:48
beginning with the like Yeti cre never saw it did you origin sorry sge we get
47:54
is that is that the scene where he's trying to get the lights or like trying to get a lightsaber no that's a tonon that he com upside down he's
48:02
trying he's never seen it I I hang around nerds for a living I know all the
48:07
references yeah um he yeah he tries to use the force to get the lightsaber and
48:13
then when he gets himself free then he attacks the one yeah in the newer version as he starts to to do it and the
48:20
lights saer starts to Rattle the wamper gets up from meeting Luke's tone tone and then he gets sense of peril as it
48:29
more emphasis getting that good Improvement I think I know
48:34
what your criticism of Empire is going to be and is it the time that Luke
48:39
spends on dear it can't for you think oh he's only there for a
48:45
few days but actually law he's there for quite a long time is he but but it then makes the fact that then you going but
48:51
leer and Han and everybody else being on the Run looks like they've been on the run for about about three hours doesn't
48:57
it yeah but he got how long have they been on the Run they've got have been on the Run well depending if you're looking
49:03
at interstella what they could have been on the take bar it could have been but you go and Star Wars doesn't do that it runs
49:10
everyone's on roughly the same period of time but you go so you go they are on
49:15
the run for a long time when they've left ho before they get to Cloud City because they that's the time they're
49:21
away from Luke they're just in that worm all the time they must be in that Worm for we you I've you know what I've never
49:28
thought about that before I've never it's never cuz I don't think I've cared enough but well that's and and like the
49:33
great thing about I think that that film is you kind of how did you know um I
49:40
think I think you you've mentioned it before maybe I was I was thinking about it
49:47
yesterday um and being like Oh yeah I wonder how long you like CU it yeah Luke's like there for a while and it's
49:52
training it's like remember your failure at the cave 5 minutes [Applause]
49:59
go you're like yes Yoda thing is like there's so many so many SPO like all the
50:04
Robot Chicken stuff of Star Wars and the the bad lip reading of Yoda s about
50:12
SE and and I only just got the connection yesterday um like cuz that
50:18
song's amazing and I love it and I watch it regularly uh when I want to feel happy and just like Yoda just like yeah
50:25
anyway um when he's fighting with u to get the light and he's beating him with
50:30
a stick Yoda is going mine mine mine and only just got right in Finding Nemo all
50:37
the seagull just say mine that's all they say and like that's the connection that's why they chose seagull I think
50:43
got it I'm so confused but yes that's it that that is almost as convoluted as the
50:50
Darth jarar Theory yeah which I still stand by if that was true would have been a much anyway training card games
50:56
really big right yes training tring so on Netflix the reason the reason uh we I
51:03
can tie this back to Star Wars you'll be happy um cuz of that that was cuz they just released a Star Wars uh TCG as well
51:10
yeah be pretty good as well actually it is and having not consumed any Star Wars media at all right so if I look at a
51:18
card I go okay cool that's a weird little monster thing uh or like oh yeah
51:23
it's a stuffed animal I'm like cool that's that's a cool stuffed animal uh I have no framer contacts for any of this
51:29
stuff one piece and Star Wars are solid enough games that even though I'm a one
51:34
piece like I love one piece I enjoyed the game I came in because I enjoyed it
51:39
I'm like oh the game's actually really fun Star Wars have not consumed anything from it was very much like I don't want
51:46
to play this I don't I I don't really know like it's just not for me I sat down with my manager and he was like hey
51:52
do you want to learn to play Star Wars unlimited I was like yeah sure when not like it it would help me understand understand with the game is right and we
51:58
sat down and I played it and I'm like this is a fun game this is a fun mechanic I like it uh and someone is
52:04
like well if you like that then you should try Digimon and Digimon and then flesh and blood and then all these things and I'm like right there is a
52:12
million and a half like tcgs which is it's good because it it means like if
52:17
you like this mechanic or you don't like this mechanic you can find exactly the one you're like tailing for but in our
52:24
store I this goes back to like floor space being so valuable we don't carry every TCG but we can get you all the
52:31
tcgs so it's if you're like oh I really want to play uh like the universes card
52:37
system I need a box of universes like cool we're not going to stock it but if
52:42
you email us we'll get it for you we'll special order the thing that you're looking for so like Ross comes in just
52:48
being like hey I really want this thing I want a board game that hasn't been available for 10 years like cool we know
52:57
the one distributor that has it you get me space hwk
53:03
then you have a 3D printer print one no yeah it must be rare if he's got
53:11
a go away to Sisco to try and get it yeah yeah yeah there'll be some knocking about on eBay but I think they're very
53:18
I've got it but I want it's it's in a box and I don't want to open it I want
53:23
to be like yeah it's it's no yeah but it's not the valuable one so you the first edition that I think there was I
53:29
don't know if there was a second edition I doubt cuz I was out of the game um but then there was the an Edition that was
53:34
like the new one with the blood Angel sculps and then came with the a they
53:40
re yeah so they Brown Sr dice yeah but I so they re-released it but you don't get the brown swir dice is the only
53:47
difference there might be some printing differences but I've got that one so it's not the valuable one but I just I
53:52
want to keep it pristine and then I want one so I can properly paint I've got
53:58
like the models that I bought elsewhere but I want proper ones so I looked on eBay at getting the Terminators
54:04
individually and they're like very expensive even now even now since the new Terminators they're still the best
54:10
sculpts for ter like I say the best sculpts the new ones are fantastic like I honestly enjoy paining those new
54:17
Terminators more than any other yeah I I 100% agree they are so fun to paint well
54:24
you have to agree you've painted about 40 God yeah you paint more wouldn't you you'd happily sit down and paint more
54:30
whereas orc boys that I'm doing at the moment I'm just sort of like yeah after this I think I'm all right yeah yeah are
54:37
you regretting now building so many no oh good no I'm not okay well look forward to that I think maybe maybe like
54:43
because there's loads of them I'm I'm like doing it bit differently or like Space Marines it's like hey all the
54:48
armors are pretty much the same color so you can airbrush it quite easily and and
54:55
it's just like a a nice experience yeah um whereas like the the Orcs I'm trying
55:01
to use the airbrush where I can but then I'm like oh I've over sprayed green on his trousers and need to cover that up
55:07
and and like there's a lot more sort of thought that has to go into the process or like if because I'm just not uh like
55:15
the best airbrush in the world to just be like right okay I'll do that bit with a brush and yeah yeah I get there you'll
55:21
get I can I can tell you the best way of painting orc boys is you paint them albino and then you have every single
55:27
person that looks at them on the table go like why does why does that ogre look weird and you look at you're like it's a
55:33
it's an orc boy it's great why does it make me feel uncomfortable they doo look weird when you paint them human flesh oh
55:40
100% and then and then you will be sitting there giggling to yourself as you're painting and being like yeah this
55:45
is going to make someone feel weird it's great I painted so many on all my entire
55:51
army is all uh like flesh tone albino Orcs the I think the most disgusting
55:58
Warhammer model I've seen I've yet to see your ORS so I want to I want to see a picture of one just to be like but
56:03
somebody somebody did the great unclean one and turned it into like the great smooth
56:09
one yeah they they smoothed it all out just looks like a quite angry but and
56:15
painted it like flesh colored and it's gross yeah so something that should be green and
56:21
disgusting you make it like smoo and human skin tone and you're just
56:27
like it's cuz when you look at the model like the the proportions you're like yeah it's a really cool sculpt it's like
56:32
really cool model and then you genuinely start making it look human and you're like why are its shoulders like
56:38
protruding over its head like it just looks weird yeah uh but it's it's that
56:44
weird disconnect being like yeah it's green it's fine it doesn't matter do you um do you feel with your shop that you
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start to get a good understanding of future Trends now you start to be able to predict
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or you still feel that when people just suddenly come in and go can you get this and you go I don't even know what that
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is what do you feel like so that's that's actually the reason why we started going to conventions
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because it it's really hard to protect some of the trends sometimes because like uh like for example harmonies
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harmonies is a really beautiful game it it's a it's it's a small box game very very beautiful tokens are phenomenal we
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ordered a handful of them and we thought you know it that's sell we'll probably
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sit on it for a bit and then we just have a giant rush comeing and like all your harmonies I want please thank you
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and we just sold out and then we're like oh we'll go back to our distributor I go to the distributor and I'm like hey we
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need to order more harmonies and they go cool it's sold out everywhere oh wow so I assume sometimes can you can you
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predict what what's creating it or is it just sometimes just a weird no I mean
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sometimes sometimes it is a weird just mechanic where you're just like like again following uh listening podcast
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talking to streamers talking to that you can kind of see like oh oh everyone's releasing all a bunch of content about
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this thing at once it's it's probably worth stocking up right but there are some weird tons where you're like oh
58:10
this game just took off and I don't know why yeah like um flamecraft was a very
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clear this game is going to take off because it's a very cuty game it's a familyfriendly game uh and it plays in
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like under an hour right so we stocked up a bunch of it we have still some left but it it made sense and then you have
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things like wingspan wingspan is I believe still the world's most popular game yeah W really yeah yeah and and
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like and they have is it wenpan is like the worm span yeah that's a new one so woran is a new one Dragon focused and
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wingspan is a game wi's great it's it's phenomenal and it's it's a game that a lot of people were like yeah it's fine
58:49
it's going to be another like set collecting game it's not going to be the thing we thought that same thing and
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then you start seeing some more of the hype you're like oh it's it's it is going to get bigger it's getting bigger it's getting bigger you're like okay
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cool we need to stock up more on this cuz it is getting bigger we see that at rise but because someone saw it slightly
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sooner they were able to get all that Supply before we could so it's like great we know that the game is we see
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the trend that the game is going to be popular but we see it too late now we can't actually stock it that's why we go
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now to conventions and we're like cool I'm there and I'm like hey going to let you know this is what I think of the
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next game is going to be let stock it and it also helps me because on our the games skips Instagram page as well as
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our newsletter we will put out things and you'll be surprised sometimes people will be like oh I didn't know I wanted
59:37
that game can I get five copies I'm like why it's like well see one is for me one is for my partner so that we can leave it in their apartment one is for my
59:44
parents so that I can have something to play and I'm like all right cool we'll get you five copies holy crap and people
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like legitimately it's it's hard to predict what they're going to do unless
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you're literally out there boots on the ground trying to figure out the trends because yeah I mean everyone decided
1:00:03
this year was going to be the year of like card games and trick ticking games
1:00:09
but it's also the year of possums so there's a ton of pwen games and just Rand just randomly that's
1:00:17
it's randomly a trend it's it's like you you just look at and you're like what what is going on and that's like that's
1:00:23
the thing because when you think about it a game just any game right it's going to take play testing then you go to
1:00:30
manufacturing and then you go to this so you can have you can have an idea today
1:00:36
that's like oh I want Ross Monopoly right perfect the idea that we're going to talk about later yeah um and then
1:00:44
coming soono yeah all basically all the places are being replaced as uh being replaced
1:00:49
instead of places in the UK places on Ross yeah yeah yeah the train stations
1:00:55
of the nipple connected our offices our train
1:01:00
station like nose mouth ears I think my phone might be broke when that kickstar
1:01:06
yeah I don't think I'm backing it just saying but yeah like you can send me a review copy and be like oh I need a
1:01:12
video like in two days nice the the the the utilities are two different aulus
1:01:18
zes yeah God the back of the
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knee I want you to look I want you to look back at the stats on this video and see if there's any drops specifically at
1:01:31
that point make a time stamp but yeah so like you'll have an idea and you you start planning it you
1:01:37
start going and then someone else will also have the same idea either because they saw your game and you're like oh
1:01:43
that's actually a pretty cool thing and they're thinking like well yours will come out first and then mine will come
1:01:49
out next so it's not like an immediate overlap maybe a couple of months a couple years whatever but all of a
1:01:56
because everyone's working on it and most of the time they're working on it in somewhat secrecy then you all come out and you're
1:02:02
like oh we all thought of making a game about you know a play on Monopoly or we all thought about tables we all thought
1:02:08
about possums yeah in this case we've all thought about possums we all thought ah cute animals sell and and our thingy
1:02:15
it's weird it's like cuz I've been to a few of these now and like last time i' I've never as I've said to you guys I've
1:02:20
never been a big Board Game Fan I haven't got any friends I have now but I I have introduce solo gam I I got Play
1:02:28
It's All I've got a solo hobby it's fine um no no reviewing 3D printers oh don't
1:02:34
be crew Jesus um I was thinking rushing but that's fine but yeah so but then
1:02:40
when I went to Gen Con last year with the guys from element and they were all like just you're right the energy and
1:02:45
the excitement of people and I I walked away like I almost they they let me like
1:02:50
use some of their case space but I got to the airport and I was like there's my bag and they're like you're over that'll be an extra extra $190 and I'm like can
1:02:57
I just empty it and put it in their cases they were like yeah so I put my stuff in three people's cases and then I
1:03:02
had to do the same with you this time didn't I was like could you put this in there I wasn't over weight that time no no it was more volume I a power move no
1:03:11
it was big it was I got my kids some like big d20s phone d20s so they they
1:03:16
took up space not thingy um but yeah like the excitement so like we got Doom Lings Doom Lings was was like it really
1:03:23
blew up it's just another exploding kittens and and that sort of thing but it's funny and it's thing it's about
1:03:29
it's about the end of the world and you've got phases and you go through you've got to build your your most powerful deck by the end of phase four
1:03:36
when there's a Calamity really good yeah I'll bring it in fact I'll bring it in one week and
1:03:41
I'll show you have a quick game but final girl as well Final Girl by Van Rider great also just Shameless s plug
1:03:48
uh so I love final it's literally my favorite game uh because it's a solo game and I love horror horror theme y i
1:03:55
Gen Con they had the big Miniatures uh and I went like Byron is one of the guys
1:04:01
that is the had to final girl I went up to AJ who writes the stories for final girl oh bro and I I was like Hey AJ
1:04:08
Byron um can I just steal two of those models and paint them up for Essen and just you have him at the booth and he
1:04:13
goes yes so I'm painting the models that are going to be at the booth fantas for
1:04:18
final girl and I'm like yes I love it cuz it's it's it's such a awesome feeling like yeah I love this game and
1:04:23
now part of me is just there yeah that's amazing that's amazing has either of you tried F or girl no I've I've heard of it
1:04:30
they people were raving about it good like it's a bit of a weird one isn't it like you've got to buy a core box and a
1:04:36
a cassette yeah but there's various cassettes and each one is like you get two final like the final girl in the
1:04:43
horror movie who you play but then each one's got a scenario and a killer so you
1:04:48
can buy like uh the the clown guy walking around the theme park or you can
1:04:54
buy the um the alien on the spaceship yeah but what you can do is after you've played a couple you basically go around
1:05:01
each turn you have to rescue survivors and then kick yourself up well enough to take on the bad guy I have not won a
1:05:07
game yet like I've not completed it me and my wife play together yeah um but
1:05:12
then you can mix a match so you can have these girls with that killer on that board and they've all got different
1:05:18
stats he like he once you bought one or two and then they do it in Seasons as well so it's proper 90s video cassettes
1:05:25
a so everything they've done so clever with it and it's fun it is it's super fun and some of the some of the stuff
1:05:31
for the third season uh which I've seen some of the like the r stuff it it
1:05:38
brings it up to if you're a fan of horror you look at and you're like oh I see all the references I've done I see all the cool stuff right but it's
1:05:44
bringing up some like '90s horror into it and if if you're like a newer kid
1:05:50
you're like oh I remember seeing that movie when like when I was like 10 right
1:05:55
but their goal is to also bring more modern movies in it as well yeah so like someone can be like oh I like horror I
1:06:02
recognize that reference I'm going to play it and then you realize how good the game is and you're like cool time to pick up everything else yeah cuz the
1:06:07
other fun thing that they do is you're right you can take a killer and then take a a a scenario and then play it
1:06:14
yeah but they released this booklet that's like eight bucks that tells you
1:06:19
how that killer could have found themselves in that location so like it makes sense oh okay so the law right so
1:06:27
it's like a lore book because it's it's just simply like it okay yeah it makes sense that the like uh what call the
1:06:35
Jason clone is in a camp right that makes sense but you're like why would he
1:06:40
then be in like Africa for like a weird ritual they've taken that and have made
1:06:46
it and be like here's how Hans could have found themselves in this location my God are you talking about Jason I
1:06:52
remember it just popped into my head is it is it Jason X where like it Jason but he's in space that is what one of the
1:06:59
scenarios is I love that film it's so bad I haven't watched it in so that's
1:07:04
the one I've never seen it that's the one where like mask I've not seen it but I've seen the potentially only TW like
1:07:11
20 years ago how old would I have been 15 yeah we were definitely more creative
1:07:18
with movies in the 90s weren't we yeah yeah when you say creatives you mean we didn't care yeah much pretty much watch
1:07:25
People Under the Stairs yeah yeah I I watched so many like there were so many '90s movies I missed that like I'm
1:07:32
watching now and it's just random stuff like I watched one the other day Double Jeopardy or Jeopardy Jeopardy you say it
1:07:40
Jeopardy brilliant double jeopardy with I forget her name and it also had um I
1:07:46
forget his name Tommy Lee Jones it had Tommy Lee Jones and as
1:07:51
J on where she She's accused of murdering her husband yeah and spoilers
1:07:58
it's spoiler it's from the 90s no not only that but it's the bloody the whole title that's why ref yeah yeah so it's
1:08:04
literally she She's accused of killing her husband but he hasn't he's just done a run he's done a runner she goes to prison for it but because she's already
1:08:11
done the sentence for the crime kill can now go she can now yeah it's it's it's a
1:08:16
great movie you can't be tried for the same crime twice which I think some people have confused with like what
1:08:23
you've already arrested me once for armed robbery yeah you can't you can't be tried for
1:08:28
the exact same twice yeah the murder of a specific but if you commit armed
1:08:35
robbery twice you can get for all of those for all of our listeners and
1:08:41
viewers who were thinking of doing all come here for all of the best uh
1:08:48
advice on doing a crime yeah in in based on the American legal I don't know if
1:08:53
it's double [ __ ] it's double [ __ ] a thing here do we have an equivalent we'll probably have some aric and I don't even
1:08:59
know that it's I don't even know that it's a thing in the US it was a movie I watched it it is it is a take on a thing
1:09:07
on the okay but what I will say is if you do plan on doing arm robbery I highly recommend rer Bros because it's a
1:09:15
game all about robbing someone and it's great Yeah it's you're robbing a casino and there's multiple floors and the
1:09:21
higher you go to on the floors the harder they actually try to like look for you so the the game itself is
1:09:27
controlling uh like guards that are just going and if they if they cross over the tile that you're at once you're fine if
1:09:34
they cross over again they capture you and the whole team fails because you snitch on the rest of the
1:09:41
people um it's great yeah it's it's really really hard but what I love is
1:09:47
and I won't spoil this for anyone that actually wants to play the game the Box in itself look like the Box itself looks like a casino it has several floors and
1:09:54
then it has a helicop on top the box is important is all I will say and it's
1:09:59
it's a really really solid like Cooperative game what what's it called again burgo Bros burgle bro burgle
1:10:06
Bros Burg one and two yeah burgle Bros it's great not like not like
1:10:13
big I can't even remember what it was called what was theer mate say wer Worcester see I tried
1:10:21
yours wer Worcester sauce sauuce wer sauce it's wer wer yeah but you just you don't
1:10:29
call it that do you have the wer sauce no what your sace
1:10:34
right I'm going to try him on Liam perin I've told him Dam it um but yeah no the one you said
1:10:42
earlier anyway but the yeah n it's so awesome to to like come to
1:10:47
these places like you say to go to the conventions and actually see like and as Jeff was saying you've probably got a
1:10:53
bit of a feel now for like oh that's potentially got legs yeah and then yeah
1:10:58
but like you say random things can happen and it's got to be hard for these companies as well who are making these games and trying to go okay we've got
1:11:05
something here and sometimes it can just be look that that gets you that little
1:11:12
bit of extra like you get seen at the right time by the right people that's what carries you 100% that's what that's
1:11:19
what happens a lot like um so when I go to when I go to some conventions not all of them like ESS and it's it's
1:11:24
completely on the store but when I go to to like adepticon and paxu and and Gen
1:11:30
Con I generally go helping out a friend of the store they have a publishing company called Data live games uh and
1:11:36
they they made a game originally uh that was a miniature Focus game right so
1:11:42
ocome protocol they created a whole entire lore for it they created a thing and the game did not do as well as it
1:11:48
wanted to it did fine but it did not do as well as they wanted they then launched another one called Lun Rush at
1:11:53
a lower price point completely different game so one is a miniature scrimage game this is a euro Style
1:12:01
game that game did super super well and everyone's like oh my God I want it at
1:12:07
Essen they announced that they were releasing a game called cyber Pet Quest which is in the same universe uh and
1:12:14
it's now like an adventure a Dungeon Crawl Adventure the amount of people that looked at him were like I want that
1:12:20
game I want it so much and it's cute and it's like oh what do you mean I can't buy it this year then we took it a Gen
1:12:26
Con right this is only a year span to take it a Gen Con it's finally done it's finally there and it doesn't do as well
1:12:33
as they expect and they're like we it in a year when we didn't have the game
1:12:39
everyone wanted the game yeah but now it's not that no one wants it but it's a
1:12:44
much lower noticeable number it it can it can drag the like if you this is the
1:12:50
difficult thing companies have like if you come out too early you can you can it can be damag like one I've seen now
1:12:56
for the past two UK games Expos is basically like a Space Invaders that you play on a table and you go in there and
1:13:03
they had it all under black light and my son and my daughter loved it and it's basically like fluorescent seethrough do
1:13:11
you remember Lego like back in the '90s like Lego Space where you had like the the Luminous yellow and orange things
1:13:18
it's those colors and it's Tes and all you do is you've got a spaceship and
1:13:23
you've got several you've got a mother ship you've got several smaller ships and some other bits and all you do is
1:13:29
both sides cross the table you flick one at each other and you knock them out of bounds that's it but it's bright it's
1:13:35
vibrant and it it's 10 plastic pieces and you just flick it but it's it's been out now for two yeah things uh two years
1:13:43
and my kids are now getting to the point where yeah just don't don't care yeah
1:13:49
like they they're too old for it it's not a video game and it's like I really wanted that you can go Beyond and I
1:13:56
think they're delayed because like they're making now an add-on an actual table with neon lights for the for the
1:14:03
I'm don't mean to critique but for like the eight people who backed it who want that everybody else has delayed from
1:14:10
these plastic bits that can be chucked out really quick I'm concerned that things like that could delay them and
1:14:16
yeah and that's so that's the other thing that like we've started doing as a store and I do it myself personally as
1:14:22
well is we have to sit down and talk to people and be like look your game is
1:14:27
good the where it is now stop adding things that are going to delay it because of that exact reason yeah or
1:14:34
like I don't I don't know if it's just a general knowledge or if it's something that I picked up from the store but
1:14:40
there's a there's times where I can walk into a store and just be like I'm like cool that's a Kickstarter game M right
1:14:45
like no hesitation I can pick it out and like that's a Kickstarter game and every single time I would say I'm correct
1:14:53
right um granted like there's confirmation bias like I don't remember what when I felt but it's almost spoton
1:14:59
every single time because you can tell when a game has been made to look good from one
1:15:06
particular angle and they haven't considered retail and they're like oh now we're in retail I'm like yes you
1:15:12
made it great your game isn't going to do as hot as you wanted because you failed to consider where it's going to
1:15:18
be and sometimes it's like great we can have that table we can have this thing for the seven people that won
1:15:25
or we can get get the game out for everyone else that wants it now right so that they can they can actually enjoy it
1:15:31
and have fun yeah right because it's like ultimately at the end of the day you can have the greatest idea but if
1:15:37
you don't get it to Market and you don't get it to Market at the right time yeah it's just a really cool idea yeah right
1:15:42
it's like the kickstarter the kickstarter models started failing like it was exciting when it launched cuz it's like hey back this thing and any
1:15:49
year you'll get the game and you know I I got Got U with the metal gear game that came out which actually got it fell
1:15:55
off the thing that another company picked it up and now I don't know where it is it's meant to be shipping or it has shipped or it hasn't shipped I need
1:16:02
to email them um but now it's like well I could spend this money on a game that looks good in a year or or I can get
1:16:11
this other game now and there's that many coming out it's yeah by the time some things arrive it's almost like I've
1:16:18
spent so long hearing about that that the excitement has died yeah yeah and
1:16:23
and that's the other part where like I having a store that you can go to does help because like for example I I will
1:16:32
100% I was I tell people I backed the scale 75 drop paints that they were
1:16:37
doing which were the airbrush paints cuz I went yeah I air rush pains up was great that's fine uh and I backed it and
1:16:45
that was a giant mess yeah like it the amount of emails that they sent me like
1:16:50
hey uh so you aren't getting your stuff you're not getting it now this delay
1:16:56
there's this there's that and I look at the bottles and I'm like cool the Caps are breaking off everything's just it's
1:17:01
not great oh yeah the caps on scale 75 paint so like you tighten them slightly
1:17:07
too hard and the TOs just break off yeah we've got I've had so many of them yeah
1:17:13
very irritating I've had that issue happen a lot right where it's like yeah I mean that sucks um but if you have
1:17:21
people that can come in and be like hey we've done the leg for you we know that this product is good you can trust what
1:17:28
we say because we're actively doing it we're the ones suffering so that you don't have to it makes you feel more
1:17:35
comfortable to be like hey so I have this thing that I've been wanting to do or or oh okay cool I can take your advice because I know that you've have a
1:17:42
good track record and our entire Community is like that because our entire Community is like hey so that RPG
1:17:48
you won't like it not because it's a bad RPG but because it talks about these topics which I know you don't want to
1:17:55
discuss and you don't want to do that board game you'll hate it because it's a deck building game you hate building
1:18:00
decks right and it's really really really nice to have that but before we
1:18:07
even get to that we need to know are we stalking enough of a game so that when someone does their pitch they can
1:18:14
actually go and buy it because the last thing you want is for someone to have that that Kickstarter failing model
1:18:19
you're like and they're hyping this game up so much and then you go to buy and you're like oh yeah by the way it's sold
1:18:24
out and also you have to wait a year for the rest to get a replay yeah it's a good you won't
1:18:30
survive that way no you won't it helps in some ways like there's a guy I always remember who's at most of the cons
1:18:36
called burky uh I don't know if you know Top Hat guy one of the nicest almost I
1:18:41
describe him as one of the most American American G oh yeah he's probably Canadian I don't like um sorry I can't I
1:18:48
can't tell with the accents um but yeah ber and he's lovely and he does game
1:18:53
Toppers which are basically so good and it's it's just like you know for anyone who wants a gaming table and
1:19:00
it's like a recess but you can it goes in a bag you pop it up you fold it together and you can get like lock in
1:19:05
cup holders and stuff around the side it's amazing but as I understand it the way he uses Kickstarter is he does waves
1:19:12
cuz it costs so much to ship the product outside of the US he does like uh we're
1:19:17
doing a wave three wave four where if you back it there's enough volume to put
1:19:23
a load of these on a crate and actually made make it affordable cuz if you looked at one with shipping on its
1:19:29
own um you'd just be like to one not paying that that's a joke yeah I looked
1:19:35
I looked at it buying it as an individual thing yeah it would have actually been cheaper to just sell my home move to
1:19:41
America have a table there next time you fly me out I'll just be like this is my check bag yeah yeah exactly You' need to
1:19:48
be there wouldn't you yeah um but yeah like that sort of thing so so it's a good model but it can be damaging like
1:19:53
people have got to use this carefully and right and I guess you know with people like you you've got the
1:19:59
experience there to be going round and going right okay this is what we've seen and at the end of the day you if I'm
1:20:06
right want what we want we want the games out like the people who making the games want their games out to sell well
1:20:12
people want games that are good you want to sell games that are good everybody wants the same thing so yeah by working
1:20:19
together we can get more good games in the hands of people yeah I mean the the best way that I've always put it it's
1:20:24
like so there is there isn't a competition we're not I'm not trying to screw you
1:20:31
over and take your money what I'm trying to do is make sure that you get money and then I get enough to stay afloat
1:20:39
right you can make a a ton of money on your own but when you have access to
1:20:45
another pool or another uh like a side Revenue it's great I lose you as the
1:20:52
game publisher as a like the producing of the games if I screw you over yeah if I take all the games and then just be
1:20:59
like cool they're done that's not going to happen but also as a publisher
1:21:04
developer you need retail to be able to help you push your your game to more people yeah help you find the person
1:21:11
that is going to be passionate that is going to sell your game for the fact that they love your game that much yeah
1:21:17
right and there's a lot of times where it's it's kind of seen as like well I don't want to go retail because they're
1:21:23
going to screw me around it's like no we're not trying to screw you over we're trying to help you we're trying to make
1:21:29
your game the best that it can be so that I can find the right person so that we can make money because once I
1:21:36
purchased it from you you stop caring yeah yeah right you're like hey I'm made my money I or at least you can stop
1:21:42
caring yeah but if you are a a good like
1:21:48
a if you're good at what you're doing you'll keep checking in and be like hey I noticed that it hasn't sold did
1:21:54
something happen was it my box design was it this um and then we can now have that conversation so that when you do
1:22:00
your next wave or your next reprint we can be like hey uh so your barcode it's
1:22:06
printed incorrectly it's it doesn't scan it's like oh man that sucks here's the sticker we can slap over it but for my
1:22:11
next box that problem was fixed right and when you're designing it from the
1:22:18
very start if you reach out to a store we can tell like hey this is how we display them this is how it's going on
1:22:24
instead of seeing it as they're the competition avoid the competition
1:22:30
because they're like no we're all working together to achieve the same thing we're getting your product into
1:22:37
people's hands and getting it into the hands of the people that will then spread it further yeah right because
1:22:44
like I I I would say gamescape is not a a store that only has six sales reps
1:22:50
we're a store that has our entire Community is a sales rep because they're the ones pushing actually the product
1:22:56
out they're the ones that are going to enjoy the the game so much that they will get it to their grandparents they
1:23:02
will get it to the kids that will enjoy it right and whenever someone gives me a
1:23:08
demo I I've I've told them like look either it's it's a game that I don't
1:23:14
necessarily see legs for or it's not a game that I see someone in my community pushing and here's why uh I don't I
1:23:21
don't see them pushing it to kids because I know that that's what you want but hey guess what your game is all marbles you have a choking hazard yeah
1:23:28
right um but at the same time I'll sometimes get a demo and I'm like cool I'm not making any content for it I'm
1:23:34
not doing anything but I know that this person in the store is going to love it
1:23:39
like uh necrom maltz I don't know if you guys have seen it but it's heard of it maybe it's a skirmish game it's a
1:23:47
miniature Skirmish game where the minis are made out of Play-Doh yes and then you squish them when they die yeah you
1:23:54
get you you crush them don't you you get um you have little rings and then you
1:23:59
push them yeah and and that's that's a great way of introducing kids to Minish the games cuz yeah that's awesome it's really good the list building UK games
1:24:06
Expo it was at one of them I've seen it yeah he was at Gen Con so but he uh I didn't see that so the
1:24:13
the list uh building is you get a the same pack of PlayDoh that someone else
1:24:18
got so if you're like cool we're getting an army are be like here's a like 10 tubs and then you get these little books
1:24:24
and just you press and squish and that makes you mini yeah and then when they it's so good when they die they you have
1:24:31
a ring which is your ring of power right and you go Squish and you flatten it and
1:24:36
it stays on the board so you see and they become terrain now so now you have to avoid it it's phenomenal um to keep
1:24:44
an eye out for that asold necro mold necro molds yeah yeah and uh this inter is going to cost you a
1:24:52
fortune pth yeah yeah yeah is there anything you want us to bring back for you next week I just want to see so much
1:24:59
the guys I'm looking forward to see are the ID Venture phenomenal yeah those puzzle boxes puzzle boxes they're
1:25:05
brunning I'm still on the Sherlock's camera cuz that turns out I picked the hardest one to start with yeah but
1:25:10
they're all the best thing is they're good decorations as well so I put them yeah oh yeah the
1:25:16
nor they are they literally they are literally around the corner so this is something that I find frustrating uh
1:25:24
with obviously the the internet is a wonderful Global thing um so games and
1:25:31
and everything somebody from the US can say oh I love this game or I love that game and trying to find them in the UK
1:25:37
is sometimes pretty difficult like just looking at necromolds everyone looks super happy playing it and I want it uh
1:25:45
it's out stock um you want quite chall you want Spiel so like it's a good way
1:25:51
of getting kids into uh into Miniatures games yeah it's a great getting kids at a miniatur game uh just make sure you
1:25:57
have a table that you can reach oh that was so hard that's hor I love by the way I love why would you why
1:26:04
would you be so cruel to him know why we point out dad's table
1:26:10
actually has gotten up and down on it yeah it does yeah yeah yeah I was going to say are you shorter than me I I I
1:26:17
think I think I'm like a fraction taller but it's just cuz of my shoes should we measure well I I've got shoes that I'll
1:26:24
I'll just come and stand up yeah just do that yeah up show so here's here's the
1:26:29
other thing know crot in the shot no no pressure but
1:26:34
the prize of the Nations and is yeah's he's already started like international
1:26:40
incident oh he's much taller than oh sit down said sit yourself down I honestly
1:26:48
can't tell from this angle go back to back oh oh yeah he's
1:26:54
you Serge like my she to give me some height though but no but mine's also giv me a little bit of height so here's the
1:27:01
thing the six even the dogs taller than you said I mean that's true Bella Bella definitely is talling me see she show
1:27:09
you yes yeah so uh I I so I had to do that
1:27:17
because one of my friends uh they are now my friend they were not
1:27:23
one at happened and I told I told P this story I told him this morning uh Julie
1:27:29
there you go so someone at the uh the apartment complex that I built that
1:27:35
recognized me because of these guys and there's a picture I think I'm standing
1:27:42
with Pat but pat is uh I think you're like crouching down or you're bending
1:27:47
out something but it looks like I'm significantly taller than you yeah and I was like no Pat Pat is not he's like
1:27:53
well yeah no Pat's short right and it's like no and then we saw I saw the picture and he's like yeah Pat's short
1:27:59
so this entire time I've kept the illusion up that you're really
1:28:05
short um but yeah that that was it no I'm not I'm not at all human being no
1:28:11
but like the the tying it back to necr rolls it's like yeah the the fact that
1:28:17
you're like yeah you I doesn't [ __ ] matter like at the end of the day you're like yeah you can be 7 feet tall you can
1:28:23
you can be a foot we all play the games and we all enjoy the same stuff right it's about isn't it
1:28:29
yeah I thought you were going to say going back to necro necro molds the the plasticy models are taller than
1:28:35
you almost well there's some that are my height and there's some that are taller there was um yeah I think as I've gotten
1:28:43
more into war gam like I like with regards to like Warhammer like painting building and painting is very much my my
1:28:49
sort of thing that I really like about it and then like listening to the AUD book audio books when I'm in the car um
1:28:56
they been like yes the tyrers were murdering everyone and then I'm like hello I'm here to film your
1:29:02
wedding uh which is which is good fun but um going to like UK games Expo um
1:29:09
especially has been quite frustrating each time um me and and uh my girlfriend
1:29:14
we we' go around and we play a game someone go oh would you like to do a demo of this game and we're like hey that was amazing could we buy it no no
1:29:21
yeah crushing it's out of stock or whatever there was one game um it's like a a language I think it's called da da
1:29:28
da it's like a language building game yeah it was at the front wasn't it yeah yeah and um you they put you put down
1:29:33
like five cards which are all kind of like just say Foo fa P whatever just
1:29:39
like syllables or whatever okay um and everything else is pictures and you have
1:29:44
to go oh and you're only allowed to speak the names that go on the board and so you're constructing your own language
1:29:51
so like fee might be nature and Outdoors and what whatever um and you just spend five five to 10 minutes going fee fee F
1:30:00
fo and it's really stupid but it's really good fun yeah um and we're like can we buy it he's like no um when we
1:30:07
were at Gen Con I found the Publishers and I they had it in in a like a a box
1:30:14
and it was just like want to buy this game go to a different shop and I was
1:30:19
like God damn it and it took me like three days to find um because they
1:30:25
yeah they had a separate tiny shop in like a gaming Hall and I was just like
1:30:31
you don't sell it at your booth at your booth massive Booth he had at Birmingham
1:30:37
games Expo for um the Star Wars card games oh and you couldn't bu and the kid my two boys went they sat down they
1:30:44
played it and they were loving it and it was like and they were I looked I come back look at them a couple of times off
1:30:49
doing other things and they're really enjoying themselves and they come back and I went I'll have a copy of that m good man he went now we don't ween going
1:30:55
yeah and he go and then you but that's fine when you're 50 yard you can deal with the that but then when you then go
1:31:01
to your kids sorry boys but they and then they are you know and I know it's it's not that simple but they answer
1:31:06
they asked the obvious question go well why am I playing this then bu that's s
1:31:12
that's what ien with that with that Space Invaders thing I'm like oh this is great two years now I've played it and I
1:31:17
saw it at Gen Con yeah and I I can't buy it and I'm like yeah like I I found I
1:31:23
very much know like we were sort of talking about it earlier with you guys with um like Kickstarter hype and all
1:31:28
that sort of stuff I ordered uh war and
1:31:33
Terror yeah like we've had them on the show yeah that's great that looks good I like the models and yeah like I I got it
1:31:40
cuz I really like the look of the models and stuff and um they've had some delays and some setbacks and stuff and like
1:31:47
I've gone like they asked me for an updated address and this that and the other so like it's on the way soon um
1:31:52
but when they said I was like oh yeah that is still going like I think I I even did the um which I just fully
1:31:57
regret now uh don't regret ordering war and Terror um I think
1:32:03
the oh I can't even remember what it is it was so long ago and I'm just like oh it's the Battle
1:32:11
Royale game that was free uh to play and it's based on like Titanfall 2 it uses
1:32:17
like all those guns and all that sort of stuff um um and I can't remember it but they made a game and
1:32:24
I'm joining in at this point I've got no idea what either apex apex Legends you sit down with the
1:32:32
kids Jeff is that the one with uh by being made by glass Cannon potentially I
1:32:37
don't know yeah if you say so um they're making ding light which is why I think they're they're the ones yeah yeah the
1:32:44
ding Lights I've played I've noticed there's a lot more of that like I don't know if steam Forge started the trend of
1:32:49
like let become board games yeah it wasn't it wasn't just that cuz they did like the resident evils and the Horizon
1:32:55
in Dawn which has taken off and Dark Souls there's definitely others cuz Mantic have got Halo yeah mantic's got
1:33:01
it yes they Hal and then but I'm sure there was others this I don't know
1:33:07
if like medius they've got Fallout they got the mass game I think have disc
1:33:12
world so excited brilliant yeah so at the end of disc World RPG I am excited
1:33:19
yeah oh that is exciting yeah and and it was I was I was chatting someone recently and then said hey someone was
1:33:25
like oh I play Mass Effect the board game it's amazing um to it someone was
1:33:30
like Hey like that's really good but then they're also quite they think that it's only doing IPS for board games and
1:33:38
because they seem to be very successful yeah like Warhammer is still the biggest
1:33:43
but a way of combating it um to try and compete or take some of that market share appears to be taking an existing
1:33:50
IP rather than building your own because that's super difficult yeah and going okay right we'll do we'll make lots of
1:33:57
Fallout Miniatures or or something along those lines and they their argument was that it's bad for the miniature industry
1:34:05
because it it will lose loads of really cool unique like stories that don't
1:34:12
exist elsewhere or something on those lines and and I I can understand that point of view um like I'm super thrilled
1:34:17
that a mass effect ball game exists um I am and I I love it I think it looks
1:34:23
fantastic but I I want to paint some Mass Effect Minis that are of like resin
1:34:29
quality not so much Prints but like that and and the models that are online look great but they I think they were clearly
1:34:36
the Masters yeah that that they used to sculpt and like I I love that we're doing this but then when you reduce the
1:34:44
quality not I don't want to say reduce the quality but when when a a miniature goes into a board game rather than a
1:34:51
miniature game it goes into PV or similar one piece got one piece lines
1:34:58
and that's that's kind of the other the other side of it as well is that you have companies that are now like uh
1:35:05
corus belly right they they're doing the war CW stuff but they're also releasing a Dungeon Crawl later so I'm like great
1:35:12
if that means we get miniature companies into the board game scene that can make really good Minis and then proving that
1:35:18
they can make really good Minis and then add a board game to it phenomenal yeah I would like from the the miniature aspect
1:35:25
I would rather have a miniatur company make the models and have a different company publish it yeah then have a a
1:35:34
company that specializes in making you know board games and components and all that have them do the components that
1:35:41
are really good and have a company that someone like someone else has done make the minis because it drives me insane
1:35:47
when I get some of the models and I'm like hey these models are kind of not right yeah and it's because we're we're
1:35:55
used to getting really nice crisp details and that that's a precedent that that I think waram has set yeah because
1:36:01
they are like they've said they're a Miniatures company and we are spoiled with the quality of and the problem
1:36:06
being is it always always always comes back to work everything all roads lead to
1:36:12
Warhammer but this this is the thing where I I do think we're we're slightly changing and and resin printing is
1:36:17
coming into there because like you know warham has got the quality and and the ACT not just the quality the
1:36:24
accessibility it's so easy to put plastic together compared to resin and
1:36:29
hold it together and not worry about it snapping now it's different with cast resins as James Taro shown us like you
1:36:35
know those are very different materials and and you'll get more robustness but with 3D printer resin for on the most
1:36:42
part even the best ones you'll you'll either get it super sharp and and brittle or a little bit softer but more
1:36:49
robust but where I think and I'd like to see more of this is you say the Miniatures companies specializing is if
1:36:56
you go back to when heroquest first came out it was heroquest here's an I think
1:37:01
was MB might have been but but Games Workshop did the Min Workshop did the Min like brilliant and now the the most
1:37:08
modern example I can think of is Arkham Horror which is an RPG and luk Studios
1:37:15
have created the Min company wonderful company incredible sculpts and they are
1:37:21
Miniature sculptors and not only that they've thought about it and gone well we normally do 32 or 28 mil but if we do
1:37:28
that for these like the the amount you're not going to see the detail sculped they put it up to they put
1:37:35
brilliant yeah and that more that exactly it's that kind of thinking that you realize when you're specializing in
1:37:41
Miniatures you can you realize like oh it's this board game does not fit in 32 oh but we made the hex's to be 32 well
1:37:48
can we make the hexus slightly bigger is that a thing we can do and it's all the
1:37:53
the feedback that you kind of get when you start when you start realizing we're all in the same hobby we're all in the same industry we should all try to push
1:38:01
one another as opposed to being like well I don't want to give you money because of this it's like no just if if
1:38:08
you're specialized help them out if you're not going to do it right we can do it if you're not going to do it share
1:38:15
like like and because ultimately as the end consumer it makes us feel better be like yeah look I have really cool Minis
1:38:21
and the game was really fun because the two people that do the thing that they do really well did it together yeah I I
1:38:28
don't know that like I don't know that Miniatures as counters and and I I'm genuinely saying I don't know because I
1:38:34
don't know I'm not just being um thingy for drama I don't know if Miniatures are
1:38:40
attracting people to board games so no I think the game attracts people to like would would you still buy the Mass
1:38:47
Effect game as suppos question for the audience would you still buy the Mass Effect game or equivalent If instead of
1:38:52
minis it had meeples the mles had really cool guns
1:38:58
there you go so it does matter does yeah so in the Mass Effect game they you can
1:39:03
get they give you the Miniatures of the uh like the crew of the Normandy but the
1:39:09
bad guys are tokens but you can as an extra kit buy Miniatures of all the
1:39:14
baddies oh cool yeah yeah um so I think it's there I think if it comes from a
1:39:19
franchise you'll want the Miniatures because it's got a visual thing already you want a but if the game is a new game
1:39:26
The Game's design will be the thing that probably carry it I would say it definitely counts like how many people
1:39:31
argue over the car still in Monopoly yeah yeah yeah I mean the so the funny thing is that like in in this room it's
1:39:39
we're like primarily pain us first right yeah it is it is really funny to see
1:39:45
when people come in because a board gamer a person that has focused primarily on board games does not want
1:39:50
them at a they're like yeah I don't care like that doesn't but aain goes I want the minis and then
1:39:57
the the game is secondary right same but it's it's really interesting to see when
1:40:04
people are like well we want to try to bridge the gap between the two I'm like great if you're going to do that then
1:40:09
you need to make sure that you know you have both of the best that can be on either side because you're going to
1:40:16
you're not going to appeal to a board gamer with the minis you're not going to peel with minis like for a miniature
1:40:22
player with the board game yeah until they've hit the table and until they've played it they can go oh the
1:40:27
other aspect is fun yeah so it's like it's a 50 it it becomes a 50% product to
1:40:34
to a wider thingy of people to a degree but I suppose this is all things that companies have got to way up in the
1:40:39
marketing like how much how much do we want the miniature painter audience I don't know that the miniature painter
1:40:45
audience Bo games for board games is all for things and Es I think especially
1:40:50
nowadays like I think you know we were moving on to in regard to the amount
1:40:56
that's out there is damaging to the smaller creators um like it's such an ocean now
1:41:03
it is such an ocean of good like if you want to paint a a shark wielding a
1:41:09
lightsaber riding a dolphin there is probably a miniature out there now and if not already um there will be now that
1:41:16
you've said it there will be yeah there will will be now shortly after I've said it but also you know it two or three
1:41:22
years we're going to have hey computer design me a 3D model that
1:41:27
looks like this and it generates it well to so to have to wind it down but have ch a child to collect yeah so in closing
1:41:36
for this first of all thank you so much for coming on and talking about where you see the future of things
1:41:43
and talking about where we find things where do we find you and where do we find yours and so um tell us a bit about
1:41:51
that before we wind up yeah uh well before before we we say that well the other the other reason why I wanted to
1:41:56
come in was because now you guys talk a lot about stuff that is we have like
1:42:02
your us listeners will be like yeah I really want to try that but it's either hard to find or it's just not currently
1:42:09
available in the US market but now if you go to games. store you can use
1:42:14
coupon code the painting face which you get get you 10% off of anything thank you very much that much appreciation and
1:42:20
then also if any listen is just like hey I don't know if you're going to get this
1:42:26
or I want this but it's currently not listed or it's listed to sold out you can email us like if you email Sergio
1:42:32
games.com it goes to me and you can like hey I want this thing and we can check if see if we get it see if it's
1:42:38
something we're able to get and if we are we'll special order for you because I do genuinely think that the more
1:42:45
people we get into the hobby that want to play things and are willing to show it off to everyone else around the world
1:42:51
like that's great yeah right um so that's the first thing and it's games
1:42:57
skip us stuff on every social everything is we there uh and then for me personally I am blueh haired surge you
1:43:03
can find me and pretty much anything under that as well uh and yeah yeah you pigeon ho yourself with without one
1:43:09
haven't you you can never dye your hair a different color yeah oh you stuck well I mean the thing is I'm I'm enough of a menace that I could dye it a different
1:43:16
color and just be like what are you talking about it was always magenta hair Sergio yeah you know what you want you
1:43:23
want to like troll troll your own your own image exactly I wish we had the time to do it now you want to create a tel
1:43:30
Nolla where you're like hi I'm blueh hair Surge and then you burst in with green hair it's like and I am your twin
1:43:36
green hair surge oh yeah know I would I would definitely do that so um for those that
1:43:42
don't know you and are possibly in the area shout out the shop where is he yeah so we are in San Francisco if you know
1:43:49
San Francisco we are in the Divisadero neighborhood if if you do not know San Francisco we're near a uh hate ashb
1:43:56
which is the hippie weed section so come and play some games it after that um but
1:44:02
yeah so come to you first before you go to the hippie weed section because you might not remember to come that is true yes write it on your on
1:44:09
your then come over uh but yeah if they're in the if you're in the area come by we have events every single day
1:44:16
so you will find a community that like you can join um and if you're if forget
1:44:23
stuff and like you're like hey we want to do whatever if you email the store uh or if you hit us up on Instagram you're
1:44:30
talking to me so I would be like hey here's our address here's our stuff come by divis is super lovely there's a ton
1:44:36
of really nice restaurants so you can come in play some board games and then get coffee get some food well can I just
1:44:41
say thank you for being out there for the community really really it's pushing games especially the small Independence
1:44:47
and that's you know cuz it's a small independent now but they might be a game everybody's playing in a year time so
1:44:53
funny enough uh pandemic have you heard of the game pandemic yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:44:59
so uh the designer pandemic and we didn't know this until this year the designer pandemic designed pandemic at
1:45:06
our store oh wow really yeah so uh Matt Leck I was talking to him this year I
1:45:12
got a chance to meet him and was like Hey pandemic got me through the pandemic funny enough and I've played a lot of pandemic at during live day
1:45:20
yeah and uh Matt Lew is like talking to me and he's like yeah what store do you
1:45:25
work at and I like I work at gamescape and he's like oh is that the one on devisadero and and Paige and I was like yeah he goes is the bar still across the
1:45:32
street and I was like yeah the page is still across the street and he goes I'm like wait how do you know about the bar
1:45:38
that's like there and he goes oh yeah cuz um so I designed pandemic at the store and I was like I'm sorry come
1:45:44
again like pandemic being a San Francisco game is really welln pandemic being designed at gamescape I did not
1:45:51
know and the stor has been around for 39 years wow and I was like you need posters up like pandemic I have an
1:45:58
interview with him specifically that's the first question I ask you oh brilliant that's so awesome yeah well
1:46:04
man thank you very much for coming on thank you for I know when people see this will already be back but yeah I'll
1:46:10
see you uh a bit later in the week in Germany yeah I'll see you in Germany thank you very much it's been an
1:46:16
absolute pleasure pleasure yeah thanks for us thanks man you're
1:46:23
stop it we have talked you about air [ __ ] we are going to go to Glory
1:46:28
Halls later oh fantastic I think that's I don't know what it is but I'm
1:46:34
excited great stuff thank you very much for watching thank you patreons we love you you're helping keep the lights on
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