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00:00 - Intro
12:10 - History
29:00 - Favorite Art
33:00 - Painting
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01:09:00 - How much to thin paint
01:12:00 - Golden Demon
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hi I'm pachy hi I'm Jeff hello I'm Patrick and
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as always if you want the opportunity to get some Early Access as well as asking our guests some questions before anyone
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else gets a chance to do that then join consider joining our patreon plenty of benefits we've got Discord we also have
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lots of other tears and stuff like that where we can get some feedback with me and maybe do some oneto ones oneto one sessions with peachy oh yeah I'll even
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wear my clothes as well so don't worry about that but we're not here to talk about that we're here talk about our
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guest who is now christening our new digs we have Lloyd Davis some of you
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might not know who that is we are know as the painting coach Hey Lloyd thanks for joining us py Jeff Pat very very
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happy to be here and christening the new digs and also very curious about what a oneto one with pachy might look like I
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you don't Don't Close Your Eyes maybe maybe post recording it we can have a chat we can have a look at a
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Ono one and compare brush tips brush oh compare brush tips brush tips yeah this
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just got weird real quick I'm a flathead
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large a one round I like a bullet tip myself but so
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yeah I mean it's been on the cards for a while we we did ask you a little while back but obviously um travel was a
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nightmare coming from Wales cuz there's loads of guards at the gates like starting from coming in eng my passport
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expired so I had to uh I had to get a new passport and then I had to get clean runs from uh from HQ yeah and then yeah
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I I was allowed to travel freely 3 and a half hours at various M yesterday luckily it stayed dry so it it wasn't it
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wasn't a wet run cuz that would have been been awful at night but yeah it was a nice drive up and uh it has been a while coming but I'm really glad to be
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here and I I say to the boys earlier I am here of my own free will I have been
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CED into coming at all which is which is which is really really nice and I start
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off going back to say thanks to Pat actually cuz Pat actually joined my patreon just after you started the
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channel wasn't it and before you started the channel and you you dropped in there it was about the iron Warriors tutorial
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um yeah and Pat dropped in and we've kind of just built up a bit of a working relationship since so yeah it's really really good to be here and actually sort
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of put uh or just meet you put faces the names anyway on on the channel but it's nice to meet everyone and uh yeah I'm
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looking forward to that it's weirdly for me it's like I've only ever seen your hands and your brush tip which sounds
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dodgy um but recently obviously you you know sticking your face around as well which good to to get cuz otherwise I
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want to known who was at the door this morning like hey the car are you Chris Peach he like hell is that everyone's
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first no no no no why who are you who you looking for I I definitely had I
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think everybody um to a certain extent you you hear the voice and you in your head you build a picture of who that
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person is and and um and for some reason like for yourself I don't think cuz on
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your Discord um you have like rugby and and all that sort of stuff so I'm like
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okay this is going to be like a big Hench Welshman and and I'm like he is a big Hench
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Welshman I think like I I always assumed like Pete the war gamer was a lot older
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and just like old and wise well Pete the war G manages to look like a six former
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but sound like the head of year yeah yeah I've never put it that's
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genius oh I hope you're watching Pete compliments do not
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stop he's going to stop supporting but that's that's I'm quite
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lucky with my Discord and with my patrons I'm very grateful for them um I'm not going to shout them all out Bing
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because they just won't come down but certainly the the Discord is very varied because we all seem to be of a similar
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Age and and sort of inclination in terms of things we like but also it just separates Stu from all the blinking moaning sometimes cuz we're all
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basically a bunch of Grumpy Old Men so we just got different channels to moan in about specific topics that Annoy Us I mean I
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found that really interesting like with a our Pon and it was some terminology I heard recently which was like your Vibe
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attracts your tribe and it and it does make yeah it really does you know hit with with like our pons because they're
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all as mad and as mental as we are and I guess yours are all like just really into rugby and Hench and just
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I yeah they're all Hench they're all beautiful beautiful men um and yeah but
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I suppose it does does attract up and and that's I guess little bit of if you marketing speak really when you you
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Market not Market a channel per se but you certainly put out there that that's the kind of person I'm targeting is
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maybe someone who's a little bit older who's got a little bit of um you know they've been in the hobby when they younger perhaps they've got kids now so
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they want to get their kids into the hobby that kind of thing um and that's kind of the like you said the vibe of
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the channel and that's attracted to the people that I've got supporting me which is which is really really good because
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and again I'm very very fortunate we don't touch wood we've never had a single argument about and everyone's very mature and if somebody
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misunderstands something we explain and if it's taken the wrong way it's postive we move on and the internet's not like
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that the internet is not like that are we saying is the internet real life or not I'm not sure it's kind of blended
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into one a little bit the I do wonder sometimes the comments that they are just Bots just like it's just it's just AI taking over just to give the
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impression that's what humans are like they're not like that I don't know it's you can say something's blue and then somebody else will I think you're fine
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it's charismatic tone of white exactly that's you know and that's I just think that's that's a painful way to go
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through life that's a long time to go through my my first uh I guess
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interaction with that level of knobbery uh describe it was I I got pulled into a
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thread because we were talking about a workshop we were doing like a how to paint tanks book and we're like looking at different ways of painting tanks and
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we got onto this this military modeling thread and it and it was the red oxide thread the red oxide of the Tiger tank
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interior um and there was like like so many arguments about what tone this should be and this is the exact tone
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from the factory and so many people were just like it's it was probably just mixed on the Fly you know it was like
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you know there was a factory probably that painted it but then as the years have gone on and Supply it's a war
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you're not going to get it but it was just that this so many people like ad at this like no it's this tone of red oxide this this is one of the things we
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do we do talk we do we do laugh about it quite a bit on on the Discord cuz a couple of guys do military modeling uh
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and a couple of are x for one uh Tom's ex I think from from Canada and he'll
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say the same thing it's like you could say that it's a certain color paint but it's made in three different factories with slightly different ratios and by
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the time she been out in the sun for five minutes yeah AB right you know it's it's it's and it's just I I guess
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that's and we'll get onto to sort of my history of my past and and my thing in a little bit but but everyone has as human
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beings we all got we've all got certain needs and one of those needs is to be significant if somebody feels they know something that somebody else doesn't
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then they oh hang on you know they start to get in there and and don't you dare challenge that belief that that is
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you're absolutely right and and it's it is the think the problem being is I think sometimes with with modeling is
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you you feel like there's got to be a set so that you've got to be of a set color so that you know what color you're
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buying but if you put you know in my regimen if you put all of us on Parade
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in camouflage clothing there'd be about 17 different shades of that yeah yeah
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and then independent and then if you're on exercise a lot of us wore jungle combat trousers cuz they were really thin and they dried out very quickly and
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they look like camouflage where you know when know when back in the day when you used to when you were a kid and you turn the color right up on your Telly it
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looked like that you know Browns become almost Reds so it it's Madness that people go well it's got to be that and you go if you think it's got to be that
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you've not spent enough time around the military cuz there is so many variants military model is apoplectic with rage
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at what Jeff is just you know it's true though I mean like from theonics it's like you you have like a uniform War
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happens and then your red jacket for your British some have pink cuz it's faded so much some have red some have
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like somewhere between somewhere almost like gray cuz it's just so subdued and like well you know that's better than me
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cuz I I'm I'm not massively well upon napoleonics but some French guys managed to get covers for their hats and others
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didn't yeah and you know and it was some guys were some guys were still wearing a great coat and somebody else wasn't if
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you think it if you think every single person's going to have a pouch or something exactly the same place as the
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next guy or this the color is going to be the same you're really you're really you know so one of the things that with
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naponic Vibe getting into silver Bayon chos men and stuff like really like I love playing Napoleonic stuff but there
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uniforms I really like so I've got like some ostrin and they had these really nice tin helmets and it was like 1797 to
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like 1809 that they had these and most of the game area that we we play with m
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is like 1812 I was like well they would have been you know superseded by that but they all have the shos I was like
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but I really like those hats that regiment just didn't get supplied of hats and no one cares no one cares
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between my gaming mates it's like and there war cuz like um I was saying to Pat because we did um like a battle
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Report with like some with games night and I really wanted to do su in just the white because for like a year or two
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they they ran out of indigo die so they just went with white for the for the tunic and then like later on they they
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brought them back in but not every regimen got supplied and I'm just like I could just say that would expens as well with something exactly always really
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expensive di if you look at the British military now we're we're on the we're at
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the point now to just tipping into the raw Marines and then the new the newly founded Ranger regiment are about to get
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a different rifle but if you painted one yeah you you'd have to and if he was
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wearing a helmet you'd have to put massively minute little details on the arms to go he's got that gun cuz he's
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Commando or he's a ranger and they go well he wouldn't have that gun if he was just a member of the the you know the
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this that anything think it's not it's so easy to end up down a rabit hole yeah it really is I tell you what I'm just
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appreciating how comfortable we are right now so C my legs my legs are stretched out and everything I'm just so
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chilled I mean you know thanks to Pat for bringing your Chester Fielding it is a Chesterfield is it yeah I think it's a
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it's it's a style of of Chesterfield yeah like it's I mean there's a bit of a
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hole where the fake leather is is kind of we hid it we hide it with guests this is
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what this is a real thing I thought I thought no expense had been spared oh we got a bad City from my mate Steve so
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when we get kicked out the house by the the misses we might all be through the bed one night one more sofa unless you sleep on
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a desk or the gaming table space that you get just really sturdy Peach from exper I I can fit
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perfectly on that Chesterfield um like head head to toe that's amazing so
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that's that's pretty good you walk short yeah see I was going to say how would you describe your hike Pat or would you
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describe yourself as an average British male P just went straight and with your short I would describe him as
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outstretched Chesterfield Titan I put that on your wall chat yeah
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yeah I I prefer uh compact compact hatchback yeah yeah just like
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just sporty and fun that's how we're going to describe your from little bit of zip to him so I
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guess we should go back to the start and uh about like your cuz there there's
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going to be a lot of people that have watched our channel that might not necessarily know who you are so kind of a description of who is Lloyd how we got
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into the hobby how how you even started like the painting coach as a channel where did you get the name from you just
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found it just went on to G you me like five questions I and I forgot off of them I'm could to pick
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one start with that start with the start I talking about the the painting coach channel uh channel name so yeah it's
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interesting to that cuz one of the things that YouTube shows us in terms of the analytics is who whose channels that
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your viewers watch and and there's not much crossover between my viewers and your viewers from my analytics it may be
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the the other way around with you guys uh so I do painting tutorials predominantly for Warhammer uh
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the Channel's been going about four and a halfish years now um so there's about
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270 painting tutorials on there's quite a lot of painting tutorials on there um
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which is which is great and that's you know I love to do the painting tutorials in terms of where the painting coach came from painting is pretty obvious uh
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but the coach comes probably from my professional life where I do a lot of coaching and I work as a human resources
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professional so YouTube is not my full-time job I work full-time uh in the day and at night I'm a I'm a Warhammer
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painting uh tutorial maker um and really that's where the oops the new falling
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already um we we've lost a filter my true skin car not revealed
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he's a pasty white Welsh bik um so so yeah that's where the painting
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coach came from really is just putting those those two things together I do often find it being particularly pretentious as a name when you see some
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of the you know some of the talented people that that are out there putting out painting tutorials I mean you know obviously you guys stuff Duncan does
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stuff um like infernal brush does Adrian Perman I think it was David davidman
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yeah so he just the quality of stuff is is fantastic so I do find the name to be quite pretentious sometimes and in terms
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of what the channel is about and it all started off being a little bit frustrated sometimes and Games Workshop
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don't do it anymore they used to put the the pink colors on the the box as to how to get and they don't do it anymore
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because they they never really matched up so the whole premise of the channel is founded on how you take what's in the box and make it look like what's on the
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box um in as fish steps as as you possibly can so that you can get
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something you know because I think that's that's a big gap that that we've got in the hobby perhaps because you see all these wonderful painted
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Miniatures and you get a gray plastic sprew I remember you saying one time you you one of your mates went and he's like
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bought the kit and you like oh hang on AE I forgot to tell them get some clippers and stuff like that you know
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you build these things so you get they said to me to I just pushed these out with me fingers imine the bleeding fingers also
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the damage on on on on on the itself that's well you take it for granted when you're in yeah exactly that's it and
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that's that's one of those things and then perhaps you it's like well how do I actually paint this to make it cuz cuz you you're drawn in by what you see on
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the box art and what you see on the website well how do I get that you know I've never picked up a paint brush in my life so that was the premise of the
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channel uh where it started my first ever tutorial was a was a death guard marine and it was using the new contrast
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pains not long after they came out to remember watching that one yeah so that that was the first it's not the first video I ever did bombshell uh the first
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video I ever did on YouTube I can't even remember what I called myself it was probably about 13 years ago and it was using the old paint range from Games
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Workshop it was a BL tan BL tan Elder um yeah and it's just that was the first
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that's when I got I thought right I can do this and I'm going to do this and I had like a little cam cord set between my legs painting away happy days I did
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the first like really good and I did I did a second one which is a minor Space Marine and when I went to edit it all
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the footage was out focus oh no no so I was just like I'm not going to do this
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anymore that was like said 13 years ago that I did that uh and I only really came back to it then um like I said
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about four and a half years ago uh but I've always kind of kept my my a in so that's the I guess that's the channel
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and the the origin of the name um the games work I'm trying to remember all all the questions you ask me so I've
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been into Warhammer since the help don't worry yeah it's fine yeah just just give you a panic look then ask another
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question um I've been into Warhammer since probably about Third Edition which is the black Templar and the dark elar
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box set and it's it's all my mother's fault she she went she went on a shopping trip to uh she probably watched
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this I don't remember that she went on a shopping trip with her friend cribs Causeway and in the store there they had
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um catalogs the old catalog and she just brought a catalog home it was list wall to wall Space Marines all different
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colors and you know I can't remember how old I would have been then what your was Third Edition it was before I
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start so I would have been 14 15 started Workshop that it's not started live I picked up in '98 and I think it
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still had about a year left in it I think it was it would maybe even be a little bit before Third Edition so i' would have been like 12 13 M and he was
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like these are all cool but it was one of those things and going back back then it was not cool to be into Warhammer at
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all like nobody would admit to being into Warhammer head flush down the toilet job yeah yeah I mean I was very fortunate like now where every man leads
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with it on Tinder exactly yeah so so they should I mean I was born this big
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so I never got my head flush down a toilet quite forunate but never going to try it yeah exactly but um you know it
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so it's kind of there and and then we ended up by the way you said you were born that big I'm really sorry sorry
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sorry Mom yeah Mrs Lloyd you polish that metal
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off she had three more afterwards much much more pleasant experiences um the yes so that was it
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and and got that catalog and then a couple months later I think it probably Christmas we had the box set and he was like yeah it's amazing cuz like the the
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newish Tactical Squad the new dark Elder and you had a land speeder in there and stuff like that and that was my first
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real basic set and I didn't really do much with it but I enjoyed the the concept of it it was always something I
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watched from a f it wasn't until I went to UNI so probably talking about 2006
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2007 I was coming towards the end of uni that I was just like do you know what I want to do something to relax I'm going
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to go and buy some more hammer and I did so I went into the uh Cardiff Games Workshop shop cuz that's why I was in Union I bought the painting The start
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painting few Paints in there and a and a bike Squad and I made them into black Templars because that's the always been
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drawn to Black Templars because that was the first kind of one I got and it just went from there really and it did sort of little bits of commission painting
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and and things and eventually it you know he started off some D to relax and became more and more serious and got
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into it and just all LED from there really in terms of waram I used to play
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quite a lot in fifth edition I had a Space Marine Army called the there was home RW Army called thean
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tigers and I managed to draw paint this with like really amazing tiger head on the side of a land Raider probably
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couldn't do it now uh it was amazing and it was just kind of like a dark gray
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scheme but back then we didn't have the tools we have now now we just spray mechanic is
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great back then it was chaos black and then you just build up all these coats of Lo of
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strey yeah so it's it's been really interesting been in the hobby for you know I'm 40 in January so probably know
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20 plus years really yeah in and out and just we were talking beforeand about how much it's changed and and how more
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accessible I don't think it's necessarily easier but it's more accessible from the painting side of things yeah so that's that's kind of my
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Warhammer Journey yeah I was going to say CU that the the black templers I think was my first Fay into 40K cuz I've
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done necam which technically is 40k but was more of a skirmish based game but like but build a 40K Army and I even
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painted my stuff from the box as as black templers but yeah it does justes take me back to that but um yeah you
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just made got me thinking about like the tools of the time I see so many videos
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and I don't know if you you watch any of them where they do like I paint a classic Model using new paints and I'm
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always like we should do a new model using old methods because the you had
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hardly anything so imagine painting like angron angron with like a handful of paints that were enamels and like some
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of the Citadel paints you access AKO they weren't really a thing like at
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least they were in their infancy so yeah Sr with hmel yeah oh
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yeah and just waiting 24 hours for it to drive before you do the next when you woke up from the
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fum those I those I started off cuz my father used to do um he doesn't so much
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anymore but he did when I was younger he had a massive model Ray L he was kind of into that kind of stuff and he had um he
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kind of got me into air fix kits and I remember when I had like a c King which was like one of the most comp it was a small 172 I think it was but certainly
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Spitfires mesh Smiths all those kinds of things then you've got the paint but I was left my own devices really primer
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wasn't a thing he just used to slop it on I always remember buying a big B17 Flying Fortress and it had a yellow nose
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and had Yellow Tail on it I could never paint yellow which is probably why I've got like postraumatic stress whenever
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you see of yellow pained tutorials on my it's like I can do it did you ever play the the Microsoft
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um simulation of B7 Flying Fortress no I didn't oh my God it was great when when you you be different crew members yeah
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you could just jump between the different Crews he could be like the ball gunner or the tail Gunner and stuff like that so Shion but the worst part is
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if you have to go and do like a bombing run so you'd like leave like I don't know Dover and you'd be heading towards like I don't know Berlin you have to fly
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the plane properly cuz if you if you skip to the way points you'll end up in Finland cuz it just went off on its own
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so you have to sit and a 4our journey on your own you you fly to Germany in real time
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in real time you like I I'm over France now anyway can we not just bomb that I
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want I I want I used to work with um a woman I used to work with handed down her old uh PC to her old age pension her
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father and got herself a new one and then her dad had managed to get hold of you know like um a private jet Sim yeah
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and she would come in and she go where's Dad and Mom would go oh he's in there flying flying to like New Yorker and you
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go in she go in and and he go and he'd be talking away and and and she said how
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long does it take he was well how long does it take to fight to me she about 2 and a half 3 hours you how longer it'll
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take sh surely she said there's an option to speed it up isn't he and he went yeah but be the for that who just
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sat there for like 3 hours just sitting there watching digital cloud
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see it's like um I mean we all know the Cinematic Masterpiece of Snakes on a
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Plane yeah and how that ends with a guy they're like is there a pilot on board
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and he and he jumps in and and they're like how many hours have you got and he's like oh over a thousand
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simulated so they're all just they're all just training for that moment you know and and respect to you if imagine
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if video games uh that were based around uh like Call of Duty imagine if it had the bit where the helicopter landed and
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it was a 4H hour walk so instead to the fight and he just had to play that 4 hours of just pushing
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forward imagine imagine if he if you did that and you were like some secret sniper and and they were like okay so
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it's 4 hours get to here and then you're like I miss to be fair some of the early
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Battlefield games you could do that because the maps never ended did they they quite huge so you could wander off
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find a mountain range and just go sniper mode there and when you lied down you went in slightly uh so no one knew where you
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were so I did that many times uh with like the old battle certainly like the World War II ones I always say to people
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if you had to play a sniper game based on really being a sniper and no want to play cuz you just find it really boring
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yeah you have to Lo into a but yeah B7 love that plane always
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been a big fan of it I played a bit of because they did the World War II flight simulator so I played a little bit of
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that back day I was always into sort more recent games than uh than anything else just like pretty colors I think
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that's what it was just Formula One pretty colors that's that's literally what um I brought up on 1990s Formula
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One Good Games except when you have to like keep going to pit stop and losing your place and oh it's raining now we
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need like to change the tires cuz it's raining so I do I do miss with like flight
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simulators and like things like um Formula 1 games when you used to get the little sort of piece of paper that go
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over the keyboard to tell you all I used to I miss those that's the
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problem with with digital products now like that's the big box games back they were great cuz they you'd have booklets
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and booklets you know and you you could literally sit down and and spend a good amount of time reading it and it was all
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about like the history and all this kind of stuff so it was you don't you you probably get it maybe Collector's Editions now where they'll give you a
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digital PDF or something like that but you don't you don't get that physical product anymore I think there's a lot to be said for for that and perhaps that's
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why we we like what we like and why we really enjoy like the wargaming cuz you know if you think I'm looking over there cuz I can see the Leviathan boxes you
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got you know a chunky rule book like that with full of law that you can read through you got some you know really nice Miniatures in it so it's all very
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tactile um you know and if if if you like that kind of stuff it kind of it will attract you to it so people will
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really enjoy that kind of stuff I mean I'd always I'd never open like the workshop products I got when I was a kid so like if I got like an Asher gang or
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we got like the box game and necam Mund we'll be in the back of the car just looking at the back working out how we're going to play the game just by looking at the back of the box oh that's
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really cool oh we can make that we can do oh then I could shoot in the face and we don't even know the rules at this point we just literally got the back of
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the box I'm very much a pretty picture type of person I'm literally that uh
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stereotypical has the book got pictures in it yes it has great pictures very visual in terms of
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how I learn and how I engage with the world yeah so it's h yeah it's it's it's really important and that's probably why
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this kind of thing has hooked me in particularly because everything is just so like this looks really good I want to
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slice that P I still miss being able to Rattle a blister m [Laughter]
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move it around to see the always always I don't know if anyone
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else used to this but sometimes you weren't sure if you got a base CU you had the sponge and it be hiding behind the sponge is there a base in there did
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I get a base in this one it was always in there I was thinking about this the other day and and cuz a lot of people they've got a real affinity for sort of
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some of the classic Warhammer stuff and I was think I don't really have that Affinity so I might be creating sacr Now by saying this but I don't necessarily
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have that Affinity with some of the older stuff from the late '90s early 2000s but I think that's just cuz the
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new stuff is just so good and so cool I'm just so wrapped up in in some of the newer things and the newer sculpts
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plastic molding process that kind of stuff I just really that it just and I haven't got enough brain capacity to
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then be sort of like oh yes but I also like the old stuff as well it's so it's a really interesting I was thinking I was driving up I like yeah I'm
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definitely more so like on the modern stuff that that really appeals to me I
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think the old stuff is still nice if you see painted well mhm but if you see it
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painted badly I'm not drawn to it whereas I think you know you look at modern stuff the sculpting is so good
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but you know we you know I think I never really cared cuz it' gone by the time I joined the hobby that second edition
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Space Marine with just the Bolter across his chest never adds any any Affinity to
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that and it didn't exist when I joined the hobby but when know when Darren leam
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did his painting competition for it yeah they
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there were so many beautiful models but it came down to how well they were painted but as a as a stock miniature I
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still think it's a bloody awful look oh yeah I mean people are painting details that didn't exist and that's that's what you do for box packaging right you paint
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details that don't exist but I was going to say going back to the nostalgic thing it's only for me for certain models that
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I had when I was a kid or when I was younger so like metal ases I'd like having my old metales but I'd rather
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paint the new ones yeah cuz they did um cuz they reprinted didn't they the Old Third Edition box minus like the heavy
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weapon upgrade screw and and the some the land speed I think it was but even that I didn't really feel that Nostalgia
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even though that was my first box I didn't really I didn't really feel the Nostalgia but saying that my my most
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favorite bit of 40K art is the one I can't I don't know the artist you might well do it's the black Templar stood
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there with the the banner and his bolt gun and he's standing on like dead black Templars and stuff like that Smith I
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might that is my absolute and somebody did somebody in the one of the one of the real books did them didn't yeah yeah
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and and there was um it was the last it was the last codex for black templers yeah so somebody to convert it that's
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right yeah but that's my absolutely most and you know that that is probably a a bit of art that was drawn in the is that
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the black and white yeah black and white and that's my absolutely most favorite bit of 40K art and it's like one of the
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most iconic for me anyway so so I guess it's just different different there's a bit I always used to keep looking at
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that where there's like a space looks like half his head's been blown away
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he died hard that was theing from the see like the mesh
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through the the arm like obviously now and you know say
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that there are no good guys in 4k but I still remember when I first got into the hobby it was like oh my God the SP are amazing but then when you see them like
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dead like the Crimson fist Last Stand For example as a piece of art that was really really good like hang on they're they're super Warriors how are they dead
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kind offf I disagree with No Good Guys in 40K the good guys are the Army you collecting CU you're looking from their perspective right so you're you're
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fighting for what they believe in political ground oh I don't care I don't care but I mean it's that kind of VI
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it's like you know if I collect like Imperial Guard they're the good guys in my mind in 40K at that time but then if
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I mve to Elder I was like you know the Imperial Guard are bades cuz they're just like these upstart little monkey
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people that are running around and just taking over the Galaxy let's let's shoot them in the face with some shuen catapults I guess it's satire of the set
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in is I never think of je steel cult is the good guys but I do they are the goodies but I do spend me time feeling
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really sorry for them CU it's never ends well does it you know they've got the they got the
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Mind Tad B do all of this work and and they're just going to end up as dinner for the people they think are come to oh
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getting turned into soup great awesome can't wait no I've always thought the jeans to the co Encompass what Society
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should be where they they care about everyone when that pure strin pure strain jeans is born from a normal human
30:26
and they like a isn't he cute let's keep them in the family look you got to give it to them they've got a good work ethic
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because they're slowly destroying the planet they work on while also keeping the tally high enough that no one from terror is going to come on and go why
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are you not working as hard so you think You' got to appreciate their work ethic hav't you CFS yeah M murdered all the
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civilians of the Imperial uh Doctrine but yeah keep keeping the workflow losses like the the books do a decent
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job of sort of blurring the lines a little bit or because you're hearing it reading it from the perspective of yeah
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whoever it is that's the word perspective that's the word I was looking for you when you're playing it's yeah and and you you're sort of like
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like I'm I'm on kyus Kane at the minute and um they're currently spoiler trying to keep it
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spoiler free I guess if nobody's read it like working with the tow a little bit
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and then some of them are like what this is Blas for me and this inquisit this inquisitors just like uh shut up and do
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what I tell you you can stay behind but you will die uh because I'll get i'll get Kane to execute you so you've got a
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choice you know I think it's important that people have a choice I'm read is brilliant I'm reading the emperor spear
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at the mo the emperor Spears at the moment and that's quite interesting because it's set after the the big rift and uh they've sent out these uh these
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marines from the mentor chapter all disappear out individually to try and regain contact and yeah and um and it's
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quite interesting because the book is told from the point of view of this um mental uh chapter
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um Space Marines three um characters that work for him one of them she like
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everything he sees she sees through her bionic eye and she will tell him when he
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needs to have a resupply and does all of this for him and it's got these three characters yeah and they go to this
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planet and they meet the a representative from the emperor SP who like quite a barbar barbarian Planet but
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the first thing that happens is as this guy from the emperess spear goes what are your what are the names of your
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three members of staff and the guy that's meant to be the hero of the book's like why would you want to know
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that and he walks up to them individually and asks who they are and one of them's never set foot on the planet before he's always been in and
32:39
he's like stretch your arms out breathe deep and he go it's quite funny cuz you're going this guy the other guy is the hero but this other space reads
32:46
immediately just made the guy you like look like a real knob and I thought that's quite
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impressive to be able to do in a book that quickly which so um I'm going to
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skoot back to the history of Lloyd how did lockdown affect you because you've been doing this for four years that
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started before yeah it started before lockdown lockdown so did you find lockdown was beneficial for your channel
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yes because most people are at home right uh yeah they were um I think I'm
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just trying to think I can't remember what for breakfast let Al long three um it's one of yeah it was it was
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an interesting time so I still worked all the way through lockdown so so
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course you got your job it was it was an interesting transition the organization I work for went from Office based to
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working from home overnight um so we had that transition and then there's figuring out how to use everything and
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then so so in my job so like I said I work in HR but I do a lot of things around uh leadership development
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management development I deliver a lot of training um so it was transitioning that to an online model but of course
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the emergency response right at the start that was all put on the back bur it was just case of you know getting
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getting through and um there's a lot of people in the organization had it a lot worse than than I did in terms of some
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of the requirements on the some of the danger they had to put themselves in and things like that so it's uh so from my
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point of view I I I wouldn't say I had a good coid period but I was very grateful for the role I do and it enabled me to
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kind of you know be safe during Co the channel carried on as normal so I guess
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this is the one of the things that maybe people don't realize about how I do my my tutorials is a box is released on a
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Saturday I'm there queuing yeah or I've paid extra postage to get a Saturday
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delivery um or and I probably should shout out Kraken gaming uh my local gam
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store in in tenesse who um you know they're very good in in terms of helping me you know get get stock and things
34:46
like that so uh I'm there on a Saturday to collect it when it's released I then take it home I build it I prime it and
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then I film a painting tutorial for a release at 6:00 on a Sunday uh so it's I
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mean that's like tight yeah I like the way you thought about how tight the time was and in my mind I was just thought of
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Lord just pushing 10y olds out the way to get the I'm on a schedule out the way
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throwing the O elbow here and there yeah um but it was yeah when I first started doing the channel it was a SAT I was
35:16
releasing videos on a Saturday and it got to the point where I was like that that's silly I was it on the the same
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day you buy it not quite on the same day I bought it cuz I went through a period of not uh doing I kind of started off
35:27
doing random things that I had laying around then I got into new releases and then there was a period where I just did
35:33
Space Marines so you everyone's got Space Marines lying around um and then
35:38
so that was okay I was trying to releas them on Saturday but when it came to back back around to doing the new stuff it's all about you know cuz ultimately
35:45
you want to put a product out there that that looks good because if it doesn't look good then you lose your credibility
35:50
yeah you know with with your audience and with your your prospective audience as well so it needs to look good so you need to take that time in terms of
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producing it um but also then in terms of my processes you going to get better
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processes so everything in terms of like the paint names popping up at the top of the screen they're all templates they're all there I can pull them in I've got
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literally one for every pot of paint uh I own a lot of paint it's embarrassing how much paint I've got um which I don't
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actually use half the time so so there's all that so so going back to kind of it didn't really affect the channel That
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kind of carried on as business as usual really the only thing that um
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would have affected it was if workshops releases were affected or you their deliveries were affected those kinds of
36:33
things so um I suppose that's the the benefit maybe of doing what I do on the
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channel is that you know Workshop isn't ever constantly tning machine of new models coming out and things that so
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there's always something new to paint um did you find that um say like like
36:52
getting the uh like the new kilam boxes were really hard to get a hold of like some of we didn't get um or we do a
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tutorial for for one and then loads of the comments would Bey like yeah yeah
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yeah did you have find that that had an effect I think I remember chatting to you about Dante a little bit um yeah um
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so that I suppose a lot of that and again none of us are at Workshop now so
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we can't speak with any well I've never been a workshop pretend I'm one of you guys I've never worked G Workshop um
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I've spent a lot of money at game J shop but one of the things that affected that was the warehouse switch over and the
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fact that they were I'm looking at the Leviathan boxes again and the fact that they were geing up for 10th edition so Supply was very short I was very lucky
37:41
on some of them that I was able to get orders but I'm you know I was there on
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element games clicking at 10:00 on Saturday to try try and get them and some I was lucky with some I wasn't
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lucky with and then you get the comments then it's like well that's great but can't get get them yeah you know and
37:59
eventually you will you know so casakin for example I was really lucky I was able to get that box set when it came out did the C that by the way oh that's
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okay yeah um did the box set did the C in that's great you know they're going to come out eventually yeah but the
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internet is not a safe place you know the the internet what
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everything released 3 days ago so whil you you put the video up you still you will then get those comments of people
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like well I can't buy this but yeah I know that but you will be able to buy it eventually yeah the video is not going anywhere yeah the video would be and I
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guess that's the I'd say if there is a strength to my channel that all the videos that I've got on the channel are
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all I guess what you call Evergreen content so you can always go back and look at them they'll always be relevant um unless somebody changes every single
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paint that they use so for example a small thing but I've done I've got a lot
38:48
of tutorials using the old agrax Earth shade the old nelon oil well now they've changed the formula on them it doesn't
38:53
necessarily give the same effect unless you put two goats on yeah so little things like that but generally
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everything's pretty Evergreen so the strength from the channel is the fact that there's a catalog of content there that people can always dip into as and
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when and I'm very grateful for all the people who support me will they'll watch whatever I put out and they'll comment and you can see I'll see through the
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comments that you recognize names and things like lot of people commenting quite regularly um and then you'll see new commenters coming in which is great
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and it's always interesting to see what um YouTube is promoting cuz I'll get
39:22
comments like I got a comment on a video about how to paint Stone bases last night and I put that video out when the
39:28
lumineth were released oh so that was a long time ago the lumineth were released but it's it's always interesting to see
39:34
what goes out and and one of the things that was really good for me as a channel in terms of my growth was shorts so when YouTube first released shorts um I did
39:41
loads of short form tutorials where it's like how to paint you know blood Angel armor how to paint Imperial fist armor
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yellow armor whatever whatever but it's really simple videos that you can produce fairly quickly I got into a
39:53
habit of trying to do two like a video on video recent Sunday then two shorts in the week which again after about
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three or four weeks be act this isn't table because again I'm not sat there doing it as my bread day and out it's
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additional stuff and um one of the things I mentioned before the before we
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started if it happens Pat May edit it but sometimes my brain just is just been like no I'm not going to work for about
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3 seconds I'll lose myself midth thought uh and that's a result of I had a period off off work with ill health but but
40:23
then getting Co at the first golden demon back and after that uh points my my brain just starts working this is
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it's something I'm you know you learn I'm learning to live with as as you recover and get better it happens less
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and less which is really important because I Rely certainly my my day job I Rel rely on having my wits about me in
40:42
terms of having to deliver content which can you know not all management development content is interesting some
40:48
of it's quite mundane and boring and policy related um but certainly that's
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and that's the the kind of the focus of the channel has changed a little bit with that so if you watch some of my earlier videos it's literally me just
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bumbling along talking to myself a little bit about what I'm doing and I'm expressing my thought process as I paint
41:05
uh and explaining the process I go through it and that was I think for when I started the channel That was okay but
41:12
when you look at the plethora of people on YouTube because it's not just other PE people who paint it's people you know
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when I log on to YouTube I've got you know you guys get shown to me all the time because I watch all of your
41:23
episodes and I watch them all the way through um so YouTube knows that I like it so they will always present it to me
41:29
but then when I look at the other rest there there's music there's sport there's all different things I may have clicked on and in terms of the amount of
41:35
Warhammer content I get it's probably about 10% of what I'm presented with so you're not just competing with other Warhammer content you're competing with
41:42
everything that this person might like so that's that's always a challenge and in that is trying to refine the quality
41:49
of what you produce um you know we were laughing earlier literally my entire
41:54
Channel I I filmed it all on my mobile phone I don't have I'm a massively professional setup there's about 20
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cameras I've I've never had so much camera and lighting um but but that's it so i' I've literally got like an LED
42:07
light which goes behind my my mobile and I've got it on a microphone boom with a it's like a phone holder clip and I film
42:14
all my tutorials through that and when I started it was me painting and and just talking about what I was doing but as we
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refine that a little bit it's more kind of um I'll film it all first then I'll go
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back and I'll do the audio and I'll do the editing and things like that and and a lot of that was quite experimental stuff so the speed of some of it got
42:31
quite quick um and you get feedback from the audience saying I like the other way and and kind of stuff like that so it's
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always he always trying to find that that kind of happy medium and and and one really important thing to to to
42:44
always remember and people will always YouTubers will say this or people on YouTube or people who want to create
42:49
content but don't the algorithm won't help me the algorithm's this the algorithm that replace the word algorithm with audience yeah yeah yeah
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and oh hang on a minute now cuz you're not you're not making something for an algorithm you're making something for an
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audience and if people like what you do and they like it and they comment then the algorithm knows okay this content is pretty good if they watch it all the way
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through and they watch another one of your videos the algorithm okay okay this this is worth watching so whoever this
43:14
person watching this is there's other people like this person so I'm going to recommend this video to those other people yeah it's all about audience-based uh creation and and
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that's I guess where I'm where I'm going at and trying to find that sweet spot
43:26
yeah I mean going back to the tech thing as well it's like I've had a few people ask me in in like comments and stuff
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like you know where do I start if I want to do this and I've said a phone because I I saying to P before I left Workshop I
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was planning around I was saying to you like you know using a phone and stuff and it reminds me when I I was doing GCS
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art and um going to college doing art you'd get the the folks with all the gear but no idea not saying you don't
43:51
have any idea you definitely do which is why you have the gear comment like the
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the person with a tin of pencils of every ilk from like 10 H all the way to
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10B and they don't know how to draw and you have like me with a HB pencil who could like sketch up something it's the
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same you got the wheel on the drive and you only need like a few bits of equipment and you can make great content I mean it goes to show like you know
44:15
You' got a massive following you've got a patron and you do it all on your phone
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so yeah this just comes in time right yeah it does I spend far too much time on my phone because like you said you
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you do have to live and breathe it and want to do it because if you don't want to do that it is very difficult when you
44:34
feeling tired and I know it's cliche but it's like it's like anything in life if you don't get excited nothing happens
44:39
yeah yeah you know so You' got to want to do it and it's very easy to put barriers up for yourself uh and
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it's was watching um Chris Evans breakfast Show recently and he had Al
44:51
Schwarzenegger on and I I really admire Schwarzenegger in terms of what he's done and and how he speaks now and you
44:57
can see his growth and maturity as a person I think he's like 76 77 now's great yeah like you know and he's made
45:02
mistakes he stands up and he own them one of the things he said is you're always going to get naysayers but the biggest naysay is yourself and this is
45:10
you know it could be quite scary for some people but if you've got a plan B then it already says you don't believe in yourself you don't believe in what
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you're trying to achieve what you're trying to do um and that's that's it a little bit and I and I'm you know I
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would love to transition this or what I do on YouTube into it a fulltime like you guys do you know I'd love to have I
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think my M would love fight a studio this as well get me out the house a b yeah
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exactly yeah uh but yeah and and ultimately that's that's the goal and and my journey to do that is through
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creating more content more content more content and hopefully you know at at some point it'll reach a Tipping Point
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you know um we're all grown up we've all got financial responsibilities and and mortgages and those kinds of things you
45:55
know you have to look after that first and ultimately after that the aim is to to be able to do this as a as a
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full-time job at some point like I said I'm 40 in January and I always look back
46:07
and I and I I've always been a little bit of a butterfly with some things like I get really into something and then
46:13
okay after a few months I leave it but the one Conant I've had for 25 years is Warhammer you know it's what I love to
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do it's what I love to do and I just love the creation of that I was chuckling to myself when you said about I can all the people all gear no idea I
46:25
I love color pencils I've got loads of color pencils every every shade Under the Sun bit like my my paint problem um
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and I was like I am but I am the person like I can't draw you think oh you can I can't draw I
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thought what I'm really going it's coloring in yeah but that's that's where the do I'm not I'm not I can't I couldn't sculpt conceptually I might
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have some ideas but I wouldn't be able to maybe draw that conceptual idea for somebody else then to kind of sculpt it
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um and one of the projects I've got lined up soon I'm not sure if it'll it may go out before this goes out but um I'm going to
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try some sculp in for the first time on on a miniature which I've done little bits in the past not to any note um and
47:07
yeah it's just just one of those things that it scares me a little bit but from the from a good thing because it's something I've not done and then to do
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it on camera well there's bound to be other people who think I'd really like to try that but I've never done it so actually let's take this Welsh idiot and
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get into you know how can he sculp this and maybe people will learn something from it so um that's one of the things
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I'm going to be doing a video uh in the future because because it's really important to we're getting really
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sidetracked now I'm not even sure what the point was can't draw hand color yeah I mean we
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technically that with Miniatures right we we just color in color in that's what I say but all I did was color it in but
47:43
I can show you how to color it in as well I can show you in a really easy way until you get something you're PR of which sorry I know I'm obviously taking
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over here a bit but goes back to the you call yourself say the painting coach is a PR pretentious name I don't think it
47:56
is all the years of like being a management myself and stuff coaching is such a accessible word and you're not
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like dictating you're not like bossing you're you're helping along you're do coach not payon manager exactly
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yeah all people with their paintbrushes but I I think that's a that's that's really important point
48:17
when people hear the word coaching they're going to think of lots of different things um you think of a football coach yeah that's not what I do
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but you think about a man coach it's really really important and when you coach someone it shouldn't
48:31
be a long-term relationship it should be a short-term relationship that helps somebody get over uh an issue they have
48:37
or become better at a certain Challenge and and that's I think is what it's about because if we go back to
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management speak if you as a manager give people the answers and you you you just tell them what to do that
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person is constantly dependent on you yeah so whenever anything happens or they need you know a decision made
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they'll just come to you they won't make that decision themselves where when you coach people they become independent of
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you so they can have that confidence they'll make decisions they'll be happier in the work that they do and
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that's really important and a fundamental thing of what I do in my I suppose my professional life is to give
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people or to give managers the skills they need to be able to do that and have those conversations because so so many
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people are afraid to sort of say well what do you think yeah and somebody comes to you with a problem what do you think tell me how you would solve it and
49:25
a lot of the time they might look at you like you got two heads but the more you do it the more people's confidence grows and the better they become at their at
49:31
their roles and I hope that's what comes across with the channel is that yes some of it's repetitive but when people ask
49:38
and and this is another perhaps it's a stupid thing I do I don't know but I I literally respond to every single comment I get I lit
49:44
everying unless it's somebody say here you suck well no I do resp say thanks for the feedback you know day yeah I
49:52
remember the angron video I I was so like I messed the audio up on the angram video and it's really bad because I used
49:58
a new mic first time I'd used it and I and I for whatever reason I didn't pick it up when I was editing so I get so many comments on yeah thanks for the
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feedback using a new mic I'll make sure it's better in the future and stuff like that but you know it's it's that's just one of those things that that you learn
50:10
and that when did angr come out you know I was three three years deep there I'm you're still making mistakes um which
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kind of goes you know when you go back to what you said people say how can I get started you get started again started yeah yeah you know and that's
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you just got to start it's like it's like it's like anything you don't build a muscle by just sort of sitting at home
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on the sofa you go to the gym you lift a weight and then you go to the gym again and you it's only to repetition and constant repetition over time that you
50:34
kind of get that gets better and better right that's it and painting is exactly the same you know you don't just you
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know Albert front you don't become him you know overnight and you know any mountain you got to climb you don't land
50:46
on the top of it there's going to be some smooth pass which are easy to get up and there's going to be some sheer Cliff faces that you got to really dig in and climb yeah but that's with
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anything in life that's not just painting that's everything yeah no agreed yeah Ian sorry for the like life
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lessons the last 10 minutes I thought I should have paid for when you can it's fine like even
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from the comments point of view when that person will say like you sound rubbish and you respond and go oh yeah I'm really you know we're working on it
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nine times out of 10 we found like oh that came across really harsh I didn't mean it like that way but yeah because
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they want to be helpful and you can tell they've been helpful because they don't think you've noticed some people are not helpful yeah some people aren't yeah but
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yeah the co I was just going to remind myself like the Coen thing was really interesting CU When I was doing um
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management and we had like Academy courses and it was something I never really occurred to me and you do it naturally a lot of the time but there
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was like four steps of training someone there was like dictate Co a direct coach and then
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delegate and sometimes it's just task base so like someone like Pat who knows all about photography and this that and the other but doesn't know about
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sculpting kind of starts off as dictating and then directing and then eventually becomes Co and you just like
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go off and school and I found that really like eye opening going I've never really thought about like steps of like
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doing stuff and we used to find this at Workshop where someone's really good at a thing but then you get a manager in
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charge going I'm going to tell you how to do that thing you're really good at and it's like you're a terrible manager cuz you're you're not you're not looking
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at what that guy can do I think you get that in a lot of places and um I guess
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PE people watching this will perhaps they work in places where you've got you've got managers like that and
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there's a a theory called transactional analysis by a guy called Eric burn and he came up with it in the 50s and
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essentially it says that there's three ego States there's parent adult child and if you approach somebody with a
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parent adult State you'll get a child eego State back yeah uh sorry an adult eego State you'll get a child eego State
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back you might get petulant child back it's like saying you know tidy your room okay fine I'll tidy my room and then two weeks later it's a tip again because
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it's not lasting and what you want to do is is bring people to adult to adult conversations you know um which is like
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what we call coaching conversations where you ask questions you you know you probe a little bit you find out uh and I
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always see this in all every organization will have this where they'll have managers they will become
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parent eego State and this is from their manager because their managers dictate dictate dictate so well that's how I
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manage so I'm now going to manage dictate dictate dictate and what you start to find you have organizations and some managers we will be managing like
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it's in 1980s because you have had somebody who's worked there for 30 years who's then managed somebody else who's worked there for 30 years who's managing
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you know so you get this you can see it going back in time to the ' 80s and that's why you still have culturally and
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from a leadership point of view you still have organizations trying to manage things in this dictatorial fashion uh command and control is what
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we call it command and command and control doesn't work in 2023 and that's a big part of what I do is how we transition from command and control to
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actually something a little bit more engaging where people can really feel ownership and feel like they're doing
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meaningful work whilst also being really really engaged in that process uh so it is interesting you can you can really
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track it back to see you know particularly Workshop seems to be one of those places where you either work there for a really short period of time pat um
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or you work there for a long period of time like you Bach um but but it does seem to be that kind of organization you
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either love it or you just don't you know necessarily get on with it and you know I know Pat you've talked about your experiences in the past but but a lot of
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organizations are like that so you someone who's worked there for 20 years your the person who perhaps you look
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management from would have worked there for maybe 10 years I work a fa young company but you know but if you imagine
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some some public services and things like that you have people who worked there for 30 years and 30 years and and
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then all of a sudden you've got somebody who's a 25y old manager trying to manage a group of people in a style of 1980s
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you know you will do I say I'm the B and it just doesn't work and that's why you get that um friction yeah weirdly I
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think Workshop without being too controversial is is flipped around because when I started it was very engaging very sort of like what do you
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think how do you want to do this and even like when I was in retail was kind of thing you had like a training um file
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and it was very sort of self-led um and very adult and then even the studio
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whereas in the last five six years it flipped around to being very 1980s you must do this you must do that which is
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why when this guy turned was like this is weird and whack I'm getting out and I'm like this is getting weird and whack
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and it required someone new to come into like emphasize that um Sor I'm talking trendy speak by saying the word whack so
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Street Street never I never knew you were so gangster young Beyond his years
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I I only heard it last night on a movie just accidentally put MTV on sound like
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you're like the Shay gar of Games Workshop every lunch break in the in the
55:40
every lunch break in the car park with a fist in an air in the air yeah no well I came in here and I was like wow the
55:46
culture here is whack just that's where I got it from just like doing drugs that that show
55:53
citizen Smith foxy Fox I I just got to mention some you know we it was a couple
55:59
of weeks back we did a chat and you on about we got on the subject of the would you steal a handbag would you steal a car so many people commented go the
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irony is that company stole the music I never knew that oh yeah that so funny I love I love that
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music and it's yeah 3D and and the that how that's aged and how badly that has
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aged now and it's like um of 3D printers
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can't see that Al without just the um without just seeing the the the mick T they did over it at the beginning of uh
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one of them episodes in the IT Crowd Oh yeah yeah like would you would you do would would you would you kill a
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policeman would you then poo in his helmet and give the helmet back to his wife wife and
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children just the end just goes back to Roy goes God these these anti piracy
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that to get really stripped oh or was it random segue into
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the IT Crowd when they when they privatized 999 and then they had the to remember
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the number a lot though like I can't I can't remember the number I know that it was like
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8999 and then it just Trails off and it's like three
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one was that why in that episode that Moss sends they have a fire in the
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office and Moss sends an email instead of just phing them up a Wonder might be to do that oh so I have a question about
57:29
painting try me she might be better but no well well this is something that I I
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CU I I consume a lot of um tutorials and generally like I'm not following along
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but I'm just watching and and um and when when uh Richard Gray was we we had
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him on and he said he gets loads of comments about please don't use an airbrush please don't use oils um and
57:54
I've noticed some of your recent videos that you started doing like in your like librarian uh Terminator librarian you
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like cool right here is uh oil paints will do uh some fluorescent liquid
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pigment and you generally I I don't like maybe like pushing the boat out from like your non-traditional kind of like
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layer it wash it highlight it and that and that kind of thing um how's that
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been received and and does that influence what you might do in the future I think it's been received quite
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well um if I talk about the librarian video specifically that video did very
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well yes I I do think a big part of I did very well because it had it had a banging thumbnail it's like the best
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thumbnail I've ever done so you see that I'm saying that knowing all I'm not trying to be bigheaded with that I just
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my other thumbnail I like you know that's the best thumnail I've done and I can say that and to top that would be difficult I think um you do get that
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push back and I do actually get a lot of comments um like oh oh F thank God
58:53
somebody who still paints with with a brush uh not on airbrushes I I will quite openly say I use an airbrush it's
58:59
okay it's a tool it speeds things up if you're paint in an army and you can afford an airbrush get an airbrush because it's going to massively speed up
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what you do um so I think it was quite well received because a lot of my videos are designed
59:13
to cat it to as many people as possible so forgive me I can't remember his name but it might be Mark the guy from X gam
59:19
work from product design who came on Tom so he spoke about the hobby
59:25
yeah so it's the same thing with with the channel is I want to appeal to as many viewers as I possibly can because
59:31
it's already a niche Hobby and if I'm painting a Space Marine of a specific chapter that makes it even
59:37
more Niche if I'm painting you know uh a tyranid it's even more Niche it's very very Niche it's only ever going to
59:43
attract a certain number of viewers to it um so you want to make that as appealing as possible and you and I'm
59:49
not just producing content because I want to produce content I'm producing content because I want to help people and it's the best and you might get this
59:56
as well it's the best thing in the world when somebody leaves a comment and says oh my god I've just painted my my model
1:00:01
following this video and it's amazing the best model I've ever painted that's the best feel in the world I had message on or somebody you taged me on Instagram
1:00:07
the other day U they painted their astral 6 uh umbrell six sorry the um
1:00:12
Warhammer plus limited edition sniper model and they'd follow the it looked great and I was like that's really good
1:00:18
I was CH for them because they done that and they were like really grateful that's the best feeling and that's kind of that's kind of why you do it
1:00:25
in terms of broadening that out a little bit I think it's important to to broaden out because there are products out there
1:00:30
that are not just Games Workshop um so whilst Games Workshop produce I'm quite
1:00:36
happy to say and say they they make the best models they do make they absolutely make the best models sometimes it can be
1:00:42
a little busy um little busy a polite way put heavily detailed that you don't
1:00:47
necessarily need yeah but and I use predominantly Citadel paints and the reason I use predominantly Citadel
1:00:52
paints is one that's what I've got but two they're the most available you know most people everywhere in the world if
1:00:58
if they're into Games Workshop they can gu it at L paint so that's that's the the kind of the starting point but from
1:01:03
there you start to like well how can I produce really cool looking results really quickly and that's where the the
1:01:08
librarian came in it's like well if I look at what heavy metal have done with that that's going to take me a lot of
1:01:14
time to produce or reproduce that on a model and if I'm the end user am I going to be able to do that am I going to get
1:01:19
bored I'm going to get discouraged this is not going to look right am I going to ruin this lovely model I've spent time painting so well how can we do this
1:01:26
better and actually we can do it with a little bit of oil paint which is a different product and I think the the
1:01:33
barrier to entry is always something I consider when I use a product um so oil
1:01:38
paint is not for everyone and that was very clear in the comments I got a lot of comments of would this work instead would that work instead what about this
1:01:45
paint what about that paint you thinking and you got to be I'm trying to be polight well no it won't work because the oil paint you know when you when you
1:01:51
thin it down it's got a capillary action so it pulls it into all the reset is You' just got a little bit of clean up if you try and do that with an acrylic
1:01:58
paint white paint of that it you know you will make more mistakes so you will have to go back in and fix some of it
1:02:04
plus you won't get that uh transition where it's really bright white in the recesses and just a little bit of white
1:02:10
uh you know towards the edge which gives you that glow effect um so yeah to
1:02:15
answer the question it I will always try and do stuff like that because it's really easy and really fast and I think
1:02:21
people appreciate easy and fast because of the world we live in at at the moment
1:02:26
I think people want to get stuff done and and ultimately I don't know if my audience are just there to paint or they
1:02:31
want to game with it and they want to get it on the table looking good if they want to go to I don't know um so it's
1:02:36
kind of always trying to find that that happy medium and sometimes I'm very very fortunate
1:02:44
that was a I'm going to give this a go it just so happened I gave it a go on a video that I was filming you know it
1:02:49
could have gone completely wrong yeah uh and if it had gone completely wrong the benefit of oil paint is you just you just clean it off and done it a way but
1:02:56
I'm always try to do little bits and pces like that like it's the first time I've ever done this in my mind it works
1:03:03
we'll try it on a model so it's been very fortunate that most of it has paid off um and similarly people always they
1:03:08
always ask how how do you know what colors to use and it's just I suppose because the Cel paint is very simple
1:03:13
it's it's a basay like highlight um which is thing but if people say how can
1:03:20
I what what color should I use to paint this I'm bit like Rainman it's like well these three colors and it'll work but
1:03:26
just cuz you know it's an experienced thing if I was new to the Hobby and i' never I wouldn't know but because I've been doing it for so long you just know
1:03:31
that these colors work well together this shade works well with that color because of how it fits on a on a color wheel but people don't always want
1:03:37
necessarily know the color theory behind something they just want to know it works because they want to get it painted and on the table yeah did that
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answer your question did I ramble no no that was really good um cuz I I uh
1:03:48
painted a librarian recently and the I I was really put on off
1:03:55
by like detailing like all of those things I was like if I try and paint
1:04:00
this in a traditional way I'm going to mess it up like fact and spend loads of time cleaning it up and then um yeah
1:04:07
your tutorial dropped um and I was like ooh and I'd recently I'd used a couple
1:04:13
of oil paints very recently cuz i' wanted to try them out and and try and
1:04:18
like not be scared of them so so to speak cuz I think I spent quite a long time um in like the Citadel way of doing
1:04:26
things and then branching out and use some different paints uh from different brands like I use a lot of AK now um and
1:04:33
then I go back to Sito paints and I'm like why are they different I don't like this um but yeah I went out and bought
1:04:39
like the white o white oil paints cuz I've seen people um do like pin washing and they they usually have black or
1:04:44
burnt umber I think is the guys from um uh oh c key cter paint they always they
1:04:51
always use um a lot of those but then seeing white and then being like oh yeah of course so went out bought the white
1:04:57
oil paint mixed it up and then was just like like oh and and you just like dip
1:05:04
it a little bit and and I found when I did when I tried it I was like scared of making mistakes and um not using enough
1:05:12
so it wasn't really spreading out and then I was just like I can always clean it up I'm just going to go for it and
1:05:19
then it was amazing and yeah and that's I I know I I know where you're
1:05:24
coming from there and it's say oh I don't know if I should use this this this will it work will it not work and I
1:05:29
always say you can always clean up with oil paint and even even if you're using normal acrylic paint if you make a mistake yeah you can paint over it you
1:05:36
can fix it you know nothing is fatal in terms of anything that we do uh in in
1:05:42
the hob you can always pull it back you can always just do it a different way um but I think it's important that you try
1:05:50
new things I think it's important that we you you push your personal limit a little bit because it's only through
1:05:56
getting uncomfortable that you you grow and you know we're not talking like I'm going to go from sitting on a sofa to jumping off a bridge you know with a
1:06:02
bungee cord and I hate hikes we're not talking about that we're just talking about little things and the other thing as well is we
1:06:10
talked about military modeling earlier and things like that but a lot of those techniques you will find in military modeling um and you see some of the the
1:06:17
quality of stuff that comes out of that but when you actually dig into the technique it's a fairly simple technique
1:06:22
um you know think like pin washing is really really effective weathering as well and you mentioned cult the paint
1:06:28
which Henry does a lot of mod modulation in terms of that with with oil different color oils and things like that so yeah
1:06:34
it's um it's it's it's a really good technique it's I want say this unsafe because you
1:06:41
think well I'm using white Spirit which is flammable whereas acrylic pains are not flammable um so there is that element to consider and also the films
1:06:48
make sure you're using doing it in a well ventilated room so it is um a little more kind of risky I guess than
1:06:55
than just using pure acrylic but as long as you're careful you take heal you know heal safety precautions you know get
1:07:00
high Vis vest on get hard heart on you know get clipboard out uh for for but
1:07:05
but it is it can be a more effective and quicker way of of doing things and once you it's like that once You' got it you
1:07:13
you've got it and you know the consistency to mix it and things like that cuz again there another question you might get this as
1:07:19
well how do you thin my how do you thin paint what consisten you th paint to the answer is it always is it depends
1:07:25
because if I've got a brand new Potter paint I've just bought today that was produced last week thin in that is going
1:07:31
to be very different to something I've had and I have got paints that I've had for years that I've opened and closed open and closed there's a little bit of
1:07:37
sludge left in the bottom that's going to need a bit more to get it going a little bit more persuasion than
1:07:43
something that's brand new so even though they might be exactly the same color yeah so yeah so there's always that experience thing and I guess
1:07:50
sometimes people might look at at you YouTubers as a shortcut to get get somewhere but there's never ever a
1:07:55
replacement for YouTube or life with your own experience and learning you know well the thingin in pain thing I
1:08:00
get a lot and I try and because Bas paints layer paints contrasts Shades
1:08:06
they all thin in different ways and my thing I I cuz I'm not there sat next to
1:08:11
him a lot of the time I try and say if you can see a bit of the Panet underneath you know you're getting too thin so and it's all about feel as well
1:08:18
for me I can feel it and that that comes with experience I'm talking about like you know cuz with me and the stuff we do
1:08:25
on the channel as well is that you'll try something and you've never done it before but you've obviously got that
1:08:30
mindset to go how do I make this easy for my viewers it's like we had dirty Dam rust never used in my life and I was
1:08:36
like I want to use it I want to paint loads of scenery with it is it going to be really complicated and I think
1:08:41
sometimes there are folks that over complicate things unnecessarily whereas you've got that
1:08:48
that mindset to go I want to make this easy for my audience so they can find it
1:08:54
easy so they can get things painted if you want more complex by all means make it more complicated for yourself and
1:09:00
watch these over random channels about dirty down and how you need to like put it through an airG gun leave it for 48
1:09:05
hours to bake in an oven warm it up to a certain temperature and you know that's something yeah yeah you're you're
1:09:11
exactly right and like I said about getting started with with creating content it's it's like anything it's
1:09:17
really easy to talk yourself out of doing something that pushes you outside your comt comfort zone and that's that's
1:09:23
biologically programmed into us as humans you know if I said to you what what's your brain's only job what's my
1:09:29
brain's only job only job of your brain stay alive yeah it is yeah but your
1:09:34
brain's only job is to keep you alive so you think about how we've evolved the fight or flight yeah you know as soon as
1:09:41
we come to something we're not I'm not comfortable with that we we turn around and go the other way and it's the same
1:09:46
with anything that you come up again some painting is no different you see that's really complicated I'm not sure I'm going be able to do that so I'm just
1:09:52
going to park it and B more model might build but that's it cuz your brain's only job is to keep you alive so it's
1:09:58
always trying to move you away from perceived danger or something that takes you away from where you're comfortable
1:10:04
and that's why you know very comfortable so far it's very nice and very at ease
1:10:09
but but that's why you know we have an obesity crisis in the country because it's it's so easy I can just get I can
1:10:14
order my food online I go McDonald's it's there in 5 minutes those kinds of things so it's you know and this isn't
1:10:20
it might sound a little bit preachy I'm not trying to come across as preachy so apologies to view if that is what's coming across it's more sort of making
1:10:26
the point that biologically we're designed to stay safe yeah so every time we come up against something that might
1:10:31
question that we take a step back and it's it takes a uh an effort to actually
1:10:37
move forward on that and you'll have you'll meet people who are really good at certain things uh but might struggle in other areas and that's because
1:10:43
they're really good at using their energy for that particular thing but if they have to go have a challenging conversation with someone they've got a
1:10:50
that's an exhausting proposition because actually do you know what that's not comfortable for me so I really got to get myself up for it and and things like
1:10:57
that so it's it's a really fascinating area of study that I haven't done enough in and really interests me but it's
1:11:02
certainly applicable to everything we do with CHS because what we've got what you've got to
1:11:08
remember what I've got to remember somebody may have just spent 100 quid on a Model you know that and they may have that might be a significant portion of
1:11:15
their income and now we all assess value differently if you spend 100 p on you know a model that you're going to use every week and you're going to enjoy
1:11:22
pouring your love your heart and into painting it that's real good value but if you know you may have spent that
1:11:27
money and perhaps you maybe shouldn't have spent that money on it cuz you may should have spent on something else then then the fear is that well I don't want
1:11:32
to ruin it I don't want to mess it up uh and that's why I always always say in my videos don't worry you can always go
1:11:38
back over you can always fix it you can always go over mistakes you know it's failure isn't fatal those kinds of
1:11:43
things and and you're you're always learning and I think it's just putting people of ease really yeah when you talk
1:11:49
about going outside your comfort zone um can I ask a little bit about um the plan and the preparation that
1:11:56
went into deciding to go for Golden demon cuz you you put in was it a squad
1:12:02
of Sword Brethren yes for Golden demon was it last year year so that was the
1:12:07
that was probably the year before so that was the first golden demon back after Co which is in Warhammer world and
1:12:12
I put a I put a kattos tank into the last one at Warhammer Fest so got two
1:12:18
finalist pins which I was really really happy with um what in terms of the plan in yeah you
1:12:24
know cuz you know cuz obviously instead of either a painting for yourself or B painting for the channel you now not to
1:12:32
suggest you don't obviously always do your best for the channel because I'm sure you do but then to that thing of up
1:12:37
in your game and and did you how was juggling the hours required for that
1:12:42
whilst doing the the channel and your day job and did you have to sort of time table yourself into it and how was
1:12:51
it firstly you're right about it is different when you paint on on camera and perhaps you you this when you're
1:12:57
painting on camera you've got to take into account the fact that there's a lens and you need to stay in focus and
1:13:02
you stay in the shot and you know you need to so you're kind of paint a little bit like this which a bit more difficult
1:13:08
where I'm painting for gold demon I'm painting like this I use magnifying glasses when I'm painting for myself for
1:13:14
Golden demon whereas I'm painting for camera I can't wear magnifying glasses cuz I can't see I can't see what I'm paint in cuz they're like 4X
1:13:21
magnification uh so so there's that kind of different so and when I'm painting for myself painting for commissions I'm always using the magnifying glasses so
1:13:27
it's always a lot closer i' encourage everyone get magnifying glasses early you don't want to wait till your eyes St
1:13:33
just get them early because it just literally makes life so much easier in terms of putting into it yeah it is
1:13:38
about schedu in it so um Sundays is always video day um regardless I mean
1:13:45
some days it's not and some days I've try and do something earlier so uh the one I did before I came on the show was Blood Ravens I kind of painted that in
1:13:51
the evenings to make sure I had it done cuz obvious had to drive up to Nottingham yesterday so I wouldn't have been able to do it yesterday being
1:13:57
Sunday um and then for Golden demon it's yeah it's about right I need to put the
1:14:02
hours in for this and and I always laugh when I think about my f it was my first ever golden demon I started off with
1:14:08
ideas for about six five or six entries and I kind of whittel that down to to
1:14:14
three entries as time was going on three entries became two entries that two
1:14:19
entries became one entry um and then that one entry became a squad of five a squad of three oh my days so I literally
1:14:26
because that's the and it was the first time I'd really painted a competition so I was kind of new to it and I didn't
1:14:32
really know what I needed to do um so I'm probably one of these people who always leav things at the last minute anyway um so yeah it was it was sched
1:14:40
that time but then it was like well this is the competition this is what I could to do so this was like a up till 10:00 11:00 and Night painting you know every
1:14:45
night for a week to get it done I did the tradition of finishing it off in the hotel room in uh I was going to say I
1:14:52
thought I yeah yeah cheeky B Premier in action um with stuff and and but you
1:14:58
talk about planning and I couldn't have got it more wrong because I got there and I'd done the bases separately and
1:15:05
obviously everything's on bling in a little bits of sticks so you can paint sub assemblies I got there I went to put them on the bases it didn't fit no the
1:15:13
angle of the feet didn't match the bases booger so this was like the day I
1:15:19
so I was just like what am I going to do and then I don't know what it was I just had sometimes you just oh yeah that'll
1:15:24
work so I went in the bathroom got some tissue paper scrolled up into little balls i' brought super glue with me to
1:15:29
stick them to the bases and literally just saturated this tissue with super glue and I was prodding it with the back
1:15:35
end of a brush into a sort of rock shape to make it and then just painted it to match the Rocks underneath and it was
1:15:41
just like one of those things that you're just like ah do you know what but yeah it's it's your heart must have sank
1:15:47
when you realized they Wen going on thereally stress is a good motivator I
1:15:53
think that's what it was it was that it was that it was fight or flight kick I right we're going to fight we're going to what can I it was more kind of what
1:15:59
can I do because it's very easy to just be like yeah and just goof and then you
1:16:06
got no entry yeah it was very easy to do that uh sometimes so it was Cas like
1:16:11
take a step back and you know what what can I do um in this in this situation I
1:16:16
came up it didn't look fantastic but it matched um and it got a finalist pin so
1:16:21
I was really happy with that because is insane like it's so high and you
1:16:27
think I've done something really I'm really I'm really chuffed with that and I and you talk about pushing ourselves in Comfort Zone I really pushed my
1:16:33
comfort zone on that in terms of some of the stuff painting um metallics um true
1:16:40
metallic metal in terms of that style sure you got additional sh shading and Shadows on there brighter highlights
1:16:45
those kinds of things rather than what you you know you paint it with retri drama Chuck and R and flesh it highlight liberate to gold and you're done which
1:16:52
is that might be something I do for a channel so for a tabletop model yeah that's acceptable but for Golden demon
1:16:58
the standard is it's not even like 10 steps higher from table what you may be consider table is really really high um
1:17:04
and that's good because it that it's the kind of competition that brings everyone along so the
1:17:09
standard and that's the thing it's like I really want to win a Golden demon one of my absolute life goals is to win a Golden demon but there is that thought
1:17:17
and bacum manone think would I ever because the standard gets better every year more people enter every year people
1:17:22
come out and know we blinking act I've never you know who are you uh and it's just the the quality is just absolutely
1:17:29
superb and I think I never really understood the concept of entering to
1:17:35
you know to say you entered until I kind of did enter and it's it's about that you know what where am I now if I want
1:17:42
to get better what have I got to do um and for me it was it's it's about how I
1:17:49
paint and how I um render light on mod so is it a case of painting heavy metal
1:17:56
ST which all Edge highlighting and things like that but actually to have to paint something which is actually rendered in a much more natural way and
1:18:02
if you look at the the winners that's what they've done um so I was chatting
1:18:07
with Albert who won the Slayer sword with with his high elf which is absolutely fantastic and we did we did a coaching session where he he talked me
1:18:13
through some of those things I think that's also really important as well is not to have that ego of oh I know everything because I certainly don't
1:18:19
when it comes to miniature painting so actually finding someone who knows more than you is performing at that higher
1:18:24
level and kind of tapping into that a little bit it's really important as well so I had some coaching with Albert where he talked me through some of the things
1:18:30
he thinks about when it comes through um lighting and that that kind of stuff so
1:18:35
hopefully I know gduk has been announced for for next year yet but it'll be sort of Easter early summer time I'm guessing
1:18:42
based on what it was last year um we'll try and maybe kick on and maybe get a commended entry but that the planning
1:18:48
for that has already started oh cool because if you leave it too long
1:18:53
yeah you put yourself in a situation where you're not giv the best account to yourself we had Richard Gray on the show
1:18:58
and he basically said that he starts the next goal one demon like the day after the previous one exactly because uh and
1:19:05
again Richard Gray I really admire in terms of how he can just render like the dant
1:19:10
painting offensively good is amazing that's that's the way with Rich and In
1:19:18
fairness to to him like I didn't get a chance to meet him at um at the golden demon but I kind of messag him on Twitter afterwards or X of these days
1:19:24
and he was really gracious in terms of giving me some feedback on my black Templar cuz from where I where I'm standing that's the best model I've ever
1:19:30
painted yeah but it got a finalist pin and didn't win so it's no any of the best model in the world so how do I go
1:19:35
from the best model I've ever painted to potentially win a gold deam what is the trajectory that I need to take and a lot
1:19:41
of it is around concept of um you know you've you've got silly stuff I look
1:19:46
back now but you got three models that are based and you stuck them on plinth well there's no integration between
1:19:52
those three models you know and the balance of the models is off cuz I had one with a shield on it back two with a
1:19:57
Shields I think it was two with the shields no two of the shields on the back I can't remember I kind of blacked out from that but one of them had he had
1:20:04
two-handed sword running and then you had kind of the the I was going to say
1:20:09
the sergeant but black templers don't have sergeants today it was the castan um Squad castan yeah so so he was at the
1:20:16
front he had his shield out and then I think the other guy perhaps had his shield out as well so it was was unbalanced in terms of how I presented
1:20:22
it so so you start to get into the nitty-gritty things then which is the stuff you take forward and like any
1:20:29
model all you try you try and just improve improve improve improve so um yeah I'm hoping to do a um gravis
1:20:37
Imperial fist command squad for um and I was hoping to do it for the last one I'd
1:20:42
already started converting my grais Apothecary and then they blink went and released one with Lathan didn't
1:20:48
they yeah but the pose doesn't really fit in with what I've got what was what I've got in my head but converted to
1:20:54
grab a standard bear and things like that so but again it's about then how you paint it and you make it homogeneous because I think for Squad it seems to
1:21:01
have gone a little bit towards diarama a little bit I was just going to say that
1:21:06
some of them a lot of them they all they'll put them on on like a a painted base and they all it does look like a
1:21:13
little C of Sigma command set that just looks like it's a diama yeah yeah which
1:21:20
this happened with duel as well doesn't it the the increasingly instead of it being figh en armor has become big they
1:21:27
put them together now haven't they believe they have now which I think I don't you know there's reasons
1:21:34
for that decision are they should they I I don't know if they should because I think you get amazing diamas and amazing
1:21:40
duels and now they're all fig and now they're all fighting for the same three
1:21:45
trophies which you know I kind of get what they've done it cuz they need they want to put uh Horus Harris in cuz
1:21:51
obviously they've taken the those so I did a katos I put it up to 40K last time that's now going to be a horse heresy
1:21:58
model as opposed to cuz they you can't use them in 40K anymore um so I get why they they've obviously tried to tweak
1:22:05
The Tweak the the categories a little bit but you know um cuz I always you
1:22:10
know duel is one of those hyper hyper hyper compe they're all hyper hyper competitive categories you you look at
1:22:17
it and you think well what have I got a better chance of winning in N Lords the Rings is the answer well yeah I mean
1:22:23
even that compeition stiff the artists that do yeah if you look at you know Andy W like the the lron that he won
1:22:29
with I think he won with it's just it's just insan good but for for every Andy W
1:22:35
insanely good elron there are 10 insanely good models that you know on a different day that if Andy's not there
1:22:42
you wouldn't think well you know if Andy was there he'd won because they they they are so good um and he's another
1:22:47
painter I really admire you know in terms of some the quality of the stuff he puts out he's just amazing yeah I'm
1:22:53
like cuz I live in deep with star whe I don't actually I've never met most of the these these people CU Admire from
1:22:59
afar speak to them online that and again and things like that um you know so it's uh you're my new Warhammer Friends by
1:23:05
the way oh cool warmer um yeah so uh trying to create as many create some more Warhammer friends
1:23:11
as as as a grow older and sort of you know stop being stop stop being a weird guy in his spare bedroom painting little
1:23:17
plastic soldiers and get out there cuz I think the weird guys who sit that's it we do our in an office now
1:23:26
it's professional I will say this to the viewers well it's a very nice when when
1:23:31
it's finished it's going to be a very nice little little studio so I'm I don't even care if don't get invite you back I'm just going to come back before you
1:23:38
we went on over there is going to be gaming zone so that could just be like playing games at night with the the three of us and stuff as well as like
1:23:45
doing some content so we're as always we got an amazing community of patrons and they have an opportunity to ask some
1:23:51
questions so we're going to move on to that if you don't mind yeah before we do that okay uh I brought some gifts oh a
1:23:58
gift always a f gifts one each oh it happens for for uh my uh painting phase
1:24:06
Compadres so I've got them in this uh small cardboard box uh Warhammer sized
1:24:12
I'm just going to hand them out I I'm going to give you yours Pat cuz you are like 3 miles away but I'm I'll start
1:24:18
with Jeff oh cuz he's just here to my right
1:24:23
o oh oh you star thank you so much Lord
1:24:28
of contagion is up there Mak you wonder what you're all for pachy thank you very much
1:24:36
evil a mighty Noble as well yes have you used that's a lovely pain job that man thank you so much
1:24:43
cadians Patrice oo I've got a custard he has a
1:24:48
sword brother the captain man that's going to be your leader this is my leader sh Shield Captain Shield Captain
1:24:54
yeah oh that looks amazing so I'm going to drop the box I'll just pop this over here so you
1:25:00
can have him later you're a good boy yeah oh that's wonderful man just um
1:25:08
obviously I do watch you all the time you go on about your I was a bit worried when you said you're going to do gen Cuts oh no but I'm I'm only these guys I
1:25:14
haven't got any gen cuts no they're only on sabatical till they get a Cod so that's a it's lovely much yeah that's
1:25:22
the new kadan castan with the old Empire Captain's head thrown on it's best head I love it I love the little for Beard as
1:25:29
well stash what I do like is you've managed to get the nice laced armor effect going on there as well which is really watch you more than you
1:25:36
know um I know that you gloss your armor do like a bit of gloss and yeah and the shield Captain is just from the from the
1:25:42
warden box for you for you Pat that's incredible thank you so much man that's really thank you I feel my gift to you
1:25:51
is not as personalized as these um I
1:25:58
should this is a model of the the painting phase uh Power Armor color
1:26:03
scheme oh uh the face I would say is a mixture between both Jeff and Pat although you can imagine it without hair
1:26:09
it could be me and this is a painting phase s brethren in a in a little box one of our
1:26:16
early early tests oh look at that very nice it's it's not to the levels of your paintwork but well no it's very nice
1:26:23
very kind of you looks very definely look like a mix between Jeff and Pat that is definitely Jeff and
1:26:28
Pat so is that a head that you sculpted or is it no no that is a
1:26:35
um resin and I think stormcast resin head okay um cuz when I was doing originally
1:26:42
I was going to be doing some black Templars and I'd got a load of the beardy heads cuz I wanted more my black temps to look a bit more beardy uh cuz I
1:26:49
feel that that that's how the sword R used to look like B B heads beard not bald heads beard and I just realiz that
1:26:55
just looks like Pat and Jeff so I was like it would be weird not to have Unholy Union yeah in in drawn form me
1:27:03
and Jeff are indistinguishable so everyone just makes me ginger yeah you get made Ginger and I get made
1:27:10
gray which with bits of Ginger just just just I don't know who love this guy he's
1:27:17
so cooli yeah no I enjoy I enjoyed painting them as well oh it's really good man thank you so what is your what would you
1:27:23
be your faction of choice that that is something I meant to I probably the patrons are going ask that as well yeah I really vanilla and just say Space
1:27:30
Marines cuz I just love love the Space Marine aesthetic and um I I love the old Space Marines like the old tactical
1:27:36
Squad firstborn as it were but and when primar came out I was like At first I was like really why have they done this
1:27:42
money Grabbers but actually yeah just just a better scale and really like them and I think they're quite cool I not
1:27:50
everyone will agree with that and I think you know fine primaris tacticals might be better but the good thing is you can take your
1:27:57
tactical weapons and your devastated the weapons you can check them on a primar body and everything's the same scale but
1:28:02
it does what it's meant to do in the game yeah uh it's a little bit more expensive but you know it's fine but I enjoy ping that actually yeah yeah I'm
1:28:08
not sure I could do an army of them but I do enjoy it yeah after a while not one to do what made you decide to do the
1:28:14
silver templers is that the one from the the on from the magazine really really um
1:28:22
really briefly is remember I said I really like pretty things well one of my channel viewers sent me the silver temper deal sheet it's a really nice de
1:28:29
sheet but I've got no use for it until then the T came out I thought you know I could use that deal sheet I love yellow
1:28:35
used to Yellow you know getting over that PTSD of the B17 and yeah just it's just one of those
1:28:42
things it is quite the other thing it's an easy scheme to paint CU you can airbrush the arm the metal armor give it
1:28:48
a little bit of a well I was going to use oil but I didn't need to cuz the armor was so shiny and I I think I put gloss Vish on as well the N oil worked
1:28:54
really well for it cuz it just there's no surface tension so it just gets in the recesses and yeah it's just a simple Army to pain cuz it's very like I said
1:29:02
I've got lots of things I've painted or half painted but I'm not go 40K Army and that's what I want to do for in 20 24 I
1:29:08
want to get a 2.4k army done so potentially will be guard though looking at the Christmas boxes so oh yeah
1:29:15
quickly talking the shades have you tried the new AK deep Shades yet no are they the enal ones no no there's a on
1:29:22
and they got some enamel pigments as well they do like bunch of enamel Shades as well as normal Shades but these deep
1:29:29
Shades um there's not a vast array of colors it reminds me of like like early days shades when it was just like red
1:29:36
blue purple green back in the yes devil in mud B black it's that kind of era of
1:29:42
of tones but what I found is they work like the new shade so they kind of run into the cracks a lot more don't hang
1:29:48
around on the surface as much but they're like super matte like the original shade it's almost like the best of both
1:29:54
you get that nice sort of like it goes in the cracks but it mats everything down it gives it a bit of a blend as well talked about this before like the
1:30:01
old diping not use them we we have go after this yeah I really enjoyed using them get to the desk use them lows very
1:30:06
matte though the super matte um so if you got metallics on there it will that's a top tip if you've got um if if
1:30:12
you've got uh glossy highlights or bright highlights and you want to mat the Shadows down and similarly if you've
1:30:17
got matte finish and glossy Shadows just helps the contrast on the
1:30:23
cool question yeah that was interesting yeah yeah I've got I've got my phone uh
1:30:28
you got every single item there hav wir he is literally the the cult mechanicus
1:30:34
right now yes no I always say that um I look like a football commentator with these I need to get I need to invest in
1:30:41
some cooler headphones you look cool man yeah look like you know you're doing yeah my mom
1:30:48
says I look cool yeah so um Matt says absolutely
1:30:54
love the paintting coach uh I have two questions sorry and then and then uh asks three
1:31:00
questions um that's thing with our patreons we can't count top ma thank you
1:31:06
for the love Matt I app good I mean the third one's brilliant so uh he can he can get away with it uh do you play any
1:31:12
war games in local stores and if if so which stores uh are your favorite no I
1:31:18
don't um purely from a Time perspective it is something I'd really like to change I really like to to sort of start
1:31:23
throwing some dice again my local game store is Caton gaming and uh Dan and Mel
1:31:29
there really really good and really supportive of me and support with the channel as well which is really really helpful uh so a big shout out to them um
1:31:36
those are the two what's the third brilliant question um oh so that was that was one question actually so that
1:31:41
was like a two in one so it was four four question so number two was I'm a I'm a
1:31:47
Welshman fancy a pint well yeah I'm absolutely if you're at waram Fest or anything like that come
1:31:54
come and find me and I'm more than Happ to have have a little drinky yeah and then the uh the last one uh gets a bit
1:32:00
personal I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable uh so you don't have to do it uh also I think Pat has a crush on
1:32:05
you uh just look deep into his eyes and say Bas are gold it's going to happen
1:32:11
I'm ready I'm ready have you have you stealed yourself yeah so I think I think it's really important to contextualize
1:32:17
this and say that Pat has a voice message that I left him of just saying
1:32:22
Bas are gold um for his personal use as when he wants it I mean I'm hiding my my right
1:32:32
now I was proud yeah so so so Pat has got that and uh we're g we're going to do some sound bites after this as well
1:32:38
so he's going to have as much b as I as you can handle did you know Lloyd every now and again Tom Jones is
1:32:43
NE in the last premises which was Pat's spare spare house yeah spare house spare
1:32:50
bedroom not SP out yeah I'm a
1:32:56
millionaire but every now and again you just put it on and just like go Peach B are gold so good does not sound like
1:33:03
that does that's me trying to be a Welshman and failing Mis it you should have hear
1:33:09
my German accent stra yeah yeah oh brilliant so uh Sam asked are you a
1:33:14
voice actor if not why uh no and um I'm
1:33:19
not something I've considered or or thought but really um and if if you are an agent and you can get me paid
1:33:25
work I'm I'm open to it I he is it seems really nice on the channel but where you
1:33:31
live obviously it would also sound like you as well well yeah I like to think that I've SL more cultured tones than
1:33:37
you never know Workshop might grab you I think Blood Ravens need to sound Welsh who do we ask I think uh but we were
1:33:43
talking before I came before we started filming actually that my accent changes based on the company I'm with because
1:33:49
when I'm at home when I speak Welsh at home um it's 100 Mil hour and it's one
1:33:54
of the things I kind of said to the guys if if I'm talking really fast please wave your arms or something because uh
1:33:59
yeah it'll just get completely in we a few viewers from the states and across the uh across the channel be like I have
1:34:05
no idea what these guys are saying right now like I the struggle with us I I hail
1:34:10
from like the north of England like the uh I think a guy on Tik Tok calls it the mythical north um cuz it's like you know
1:34:19
hen's wall and blah blah blah Miss basically everywhere yeah and and and
1:34:24
speak en cumber in like farmer language and stuff and and when I go home I start
1:34:30
I slip into it like slip or slip back into it um where you could Wonder up to someone and just be like it's the gam
1:34:38
and and they would know what that means um what does that mean uh are you going home yeah yeah they'd be like everyone's
1:34:45
learned at least one is the gam yam yeah it's brilliant cumbrian the cumbrian
1:34:50
language is uh absolutely phenomenal yeah it's wonderful anyway uh takeway of
1:34:55
choice ooh difficult um I would probably have to say currently how I'm feeling
1:35:03
right now Chinese ooh yeah yeah get the salt get the MSG yeah just yeah I'm not
1:35:10
particularly adventurous when it comes to food um you can probably tell by my
1:35:15
build okay so uh Paul asks is there any mini you really would want to make a
1:35:22
painting tutorial for um no there's not I will kind of uh
1:35:31
enhance the answer a little bit by saying there are some minis I struggle to paint sometimes so remember I was saying I'm not necessarily one for
1:35:36
Nostalgia and things like that and certainly some of the old Lord of the Rings models like the 2001 um they are
1:35:43
very difficult because not so much the painting but just the prep that needs to go into them because the mold lines and
1:35:49
certainly the more modern stuff is a lot e lot easier to paint I think um I'm
1:35:54
really excited for oldworld um and cuz that was fantasy was never something I really got into I wanted to and so I'm
1:36:00
excited bretonian are coming back I'm probably a little reticent about we talk about over detail models um that
1:36:06
potentially is uh so I'm not sure if it's the questing night yeah who's got his big sword and he's just got all this
1:36:13
rucksack going on but I'm not sure is needed but um so it's just little things like that and when it comes to painting
1:36:18
tutorials one of the things I think about is if we're going to paint all these different satchels and bags and
1:36:24
all this kind of stuff then that's just more paint that we need to use and if you're just starting out you're not going to have all that paint and that's
1:36:29
probably one of the criticisms the child gets actually is people say well you're using all this paint yeah and and my kind of my push back is well if you
1:36:34
painted an army you're going to have this paint anyway but I totally get the fact if you're just starting out you're not going to have 20 pots paint yeah
1:36:41
maybe 25 30 pots paint CU yeah in the I am Warrior videos that I did I um
1:36:47
followed along the tutorials exactly and and I priced up each one as as part of it and I think it was um Juan hadalo was
1:36:55
the most expensive and that was that was like 80 quid worth of paint I think so
1:37:01
if you're doing one miniature and you spend 80 quid it's it's a lot chances are you're probably going to do an army
1:37:06
though eventually right exactly yeah that's where value comes yeah yeah definitely uh Mike asks what's your
1:37:13
favorite war game that's probably a difficult one for me to answer cuz I don't really play
1:37:20
that that much um and you know something like 40K I guess would be something that
1:37:25
I'd aspire to play and be inv you know get involved on that side of thing so I'd probably have to say that um I do
1:37:32
enjoy board games just to give something a different St I do like flam Rouge which is a yeah the cycl cycling game
1:37:39
yeah that that's that's good I enjoy that and I saw there's a there's a Kickstarter out at the moment I can't remember the name of the game but it's a
1:37:44
Formula 1 version of flam Rouge which looks like it could be quite quite fun and interesting to play with a family
1:37:49
and you like Formula One which we know yeah formul one I said ' 90s Formula
1:37:55
1 take me back there you
1:38:00
know okay lovely uh tea or coffee coffee
1:38:05
first thing in the morning uh Bri and Aid tea drinkers for the day we can have a Fallout then I both Sid Str both sides
1:38:13
of the fence Beach you oh you're a Fen You Want of them Absolute in everything
1:38:18
he's a man of culture yeah I'm not soon as you I start on a coffee and then tea for the rest of the day I guess that's
1:38:24
why I need four or five coffees first teas because I I just don't drink coffee it's okay to like different things not
1:38:32
on thisel this is real life
1:38:37
not my preface is like sometimes like someone go oh you might not know Peach I'm I'm not a fan of tea I'm like that's
1:38:43
cool cuz it's more for me so okay if you don't like tea that means there's seeing the benefit in every situation there's
1:38:49
more tea for especially Marmite my wife doesn't like Marmite so I just get to get all the Marmite at home oh which is
1:38:56
great Marmite peanut butter yeah or no oh God no I like Marmite I like peanut butter the two merged together is just
1:39:02
weird I really like it I mean I like pickles and egg and I don't know if it was off but I had a pickled egg once at a chippy and it was horrendous and
1:39:08
nearly made me sick and I was like I like pickles I like egg why would this thing not be nice and it was
1:39:15
horrible but that might have been a really dodgy one yeah uh okay uh Nick
1:39:21
asks uh was there any model that you painted where you got halfway through and thought this isn't going right keep
1:39:30
up the great work thank you Nick um no I don't think so
1:39:36
um let me think not I've done a tutorial on because believe it or not I do think
1:39:42
about what I'm going to do before I do before I start painting on the you know rarely not not in any great detail but I
1:39:48
do tend to think about it um so I've not had that certainly I think I've had okay
1:39:55
yeah so the video I did with the Army painter speed paints with the AG Sigma stuff my intention was to do the whole
1:40:01
box sorry the city Sigma do the whole box um but I didn't do the metallics on the steel hams very well so it didn't
1:40:07
come out as well as it did on the uh on the Cavalry so that's probably going to be a a start again um scenario for them
1:40:16
um but yeah when it comes to doing stuff for the videos obviously that's not for me so I'm doing that for everyone who's
1:40:21
watching so I try and take a bit more care over that in terms of you know think about it um so yeah touchwood
1:40:26
again um no issues like that so far that was a gray water fastness wasn't it you were doing um the yellow one yes yellow
1:40:34
one yeah that was a good video was I enjoyed that yeah very good um try and do some quick five ones faces and bases
1:40:42
uh love the tutorials um have you got a top three essential paints we should all try oh God uh Chrome Model A I see it
1:40:52
coming up quite a lot Chrome from V model air uh yeah that as a bright Sil is fantastic covers really well um and
1:40:59
just you can just use it St out the pot I think that's a really difficult question is three paints you need a good black I think so AK black is my favorite
1:41:06
black um I think I find and it dries really matte as well which is nice um AP
1:41:11
part me wants to see my fist and red uh because again I really like that as a paint but
1:41:19
um yeah maybe the T and red would be the one that's that's no it's got a very specific
1:41:27
application blood blood R it doesn't come in handy for much else but that's okay cuz you're going to paint an army
1:41:33
of Blood Ravens you get you get a pot paint I'll work your way through I always have a aist on red uh air on the
1:41:39
go is always a it's a nice turn of red though isn't it it's a very that's a very difficult question with the with it
1:41:45
being air it's already just that little bit thin I know Citadel quite often gets
1:41:53
quite a lot of of I say hate or abuse or what have you because the whites are a
1:41:58
bit interesting um but everybody loves the Reds everyone like like a lot of
1:42:03
people say that the reds are great I will make a controversial statement that I really like korax white I I it is the
1:42:10
lumpi bumpiest paint in the world but I think it's really good yeah so I mean I've got a Vortex mixer to mix it up but
1:42:17
even without that you just stab it with a back end of a brush get it on your palette it down and it covers really
1:42:22
really well and because it's off-white you can use a contrast paint over it and then you can highlight it with a peel white it makes white really easy my
1:42:29
favorite one now for doing the job of white when I don't want to use white is uh proac Ivory M it's great and then
1:42:37
also if you then need to just bump that a bit more there's proac bright bright
1:42:43
Ivory as well yeah great great for um great for eyes and teeth yeah being
1:42:49
someone that was I suppose encouraged to use nothing but C produ for like 20 plus years you kind of get use to its
1:42:57
drawbacks and its what what you can get from it so like for me corx what I used to use all the time um granted now I'm
1:43:03
in a place where I can use any paints I want to but I still don't have ill will towards Citadel paints because I used them for so long I knew what I could do
1:43:10
with them so yeah they do get a bit too much stick I think sometimes yeah there'll be someone in the comments going you're wrong you're not allowed an
1:43:15
opinion s off wow quite quickly
1:43:21
yeah happens like quite a lot it's like a switch is it yeah is you
1:43:26
keep switching the back it's this there's actually someone behind just like tweaking it pulling his strings I
1:43:32
mean we all know that famous line from the movie that uh peachy only deals in Absolut and then he pulled out a
1:43:39
lightsaber and like McGregor oh what I got no legs as you
1:43:47
can see they're all robotic oh dear yeah um what aspect of
1:43:52
the miniature painting hobby do you find the most relaxing and then and then uh opposite potentially the most stressful
1:43:59
I don't think I find any of it stressful unless I'm painting on a on a deadline and and things like that I think the
1:44:05
paint in itself is probably the more relaxing bit and the bit I least enjoy is probably cleaning sprew um you know
1:44:12
and getting them all nice and smooth but then sometimes this is this you don't deal in absolutes cuz sometimes I can't
1:44:18
I just haven't got the mental capacity to paint so will build a model instead you know so it's yeah it depends on I
1:44:24
guess which way the wind blowing that particular moment yeah lovely uh someone has asked go-to goto
1:44:31
brushes So currently using Rosemary and Co series 33 size one is my kind of go-to at the
1:44:38
moment I use that for a lot of things including painting very small eyes um the important thing with the brush is
1:44:43
that it's got a good belly to hold paint and it's got a really good tip uh so you can get some really good Precision with it um Windsor and Newton I've used I
1:44:50
used wind for years Series 7 but they just got quite expensive recently U so i' go back to rosem me and Co there's a
1:44:57
link on all my videos for the yeah I thought Series 7 started getting a bit weird at one point as well where they
1:45:03
were just kept spaying yeah I've seen that a lot people put PHS up going bought this look at the St oh right I
1:45:09
think a lot of that comes through through resellers as well so if you buy direct from Windsor n you tend to get less issues cuz they're obviously
1:45:15
checking as they go up sometimes you buy them on Amazon and things like that you can potentially have damaged brour oh right
1:45:21
interesting um and then uh the the questions that I currently haven't read
1:45:26
oh there here's one that's not about feet um size 11 and a half yeah well no no it
1:45:33
was not it yeah it's getting a bit too risky um
1:45:40
for your personal projects do you have a preferred style of model to paint EG sci-fi
1:45:47
Etc um yeah I suppose sci-fi is probably where I kind of is my interest and some
1:45:54
of the areas I find uh I find more appealing so I I do like sci-fi more so
1:45:59
than uh than fantasy but that's not to say that I dislike fantasy again it's not an absolute it's just a case of you
1:46:05
know that I'm drawn to those things and and it was space me that Drew me to the Hobby in the first first instance and that hasn't changed in 20 plus years so
1:46:13
you know still still be them but you know some of the new Sigma stuff and like I said I'm excited for for Old World when it comes out as well MH
1:46:19
brilliant lovely I am uh for the safety of uh our viewers ears I will probably
1:46:24
leave the patreon questions can we not ask the cheese one at least not a cheese question um well there was one about
1:46:30
that link to the feet though um the the cheese right right is this
1:46:36
cheese with feet this is why no no no no this this um so so Alex asks which like
1:46:43
the they get they it's not just the favorite cheese anymore yeah it was like what cheese would you put in a box game
1:46:49
was the one the other week was yeah um Alex asks which paint line tastes the
1:46:57
most like cheese and what kind specifically oh good God Alex
1:47:03
um well I I will I mean um I mean it's kind of
1:47:09
interesting how you get to that question and then your thought process to get there uh you do you um
1:47:17
I I'm not a brush licker and I can honestly say I've never eaten I never will eat after seeing Tom's uh video was
1:47:25
actually in the yeah even now I still eat them yeah just yeah for me yeah I
1:47:31
couldn't possibly tell you yeah no okay so so can we ask then what your favorite cheese cuz you obviously you did tell us
1:47:38
you thought about it yeah I did I did I have thought about it for come on cuz it's like the one constant question in however many pods you've done um and so
1:47:46
I'm I'm not I said I'm not very adventurous food but I do like a nice melted Brie in a
1:47:51
baguette yeah I had ham I had um I'll
1:47:57
have to maybe I can show the show the picture um I went to a garden center
1:48:02
over the weekend and I had a bacon Bree and cranberry uh Panini and then a cat
1:48:10
just came and sat on me and it was the most wonderful thing ever um it smell
1:48:16
your cheese mate yeah yeah um before you got your sandwich yeah and it was it was
1:48:22
wonderful there was everybody everybody and then the cat chose to sit on me I felt very
1:48:29
special cats a picky yeah and then I had some melted bre and it was a delight I'm I'm going to do a shout out and we're
1:48:35
not sponsored by Aldi at all but AI do like a circular bread thing that you put
1:48:40
in the oven there's a lump of C Bear and you put in the oven and it comes out and
1:48:46
you tear the bread and you just dip it into the C got a big shot to do today so yeah yeah
1:48:53
do c and be does that that yeah that would be a usually a Christmas Valentine kind of thing they do say it'll be
1:48:59
coming in retail shops soon folks well I want to shoehorn um shout out in I did
1:49:05
say to my to to my mate Ben I would give him a shout out Ben Mudge on Instagram because um I am significantly Liker than
1:49:13
I used to be and it's thanks to Ben's kind of coaching as well because I was like I'm I'm 40 in January I'm getting really fat and food was a big issue with
1:49:19
that and he's helped me in terms of sort of you know getting getting my head on straight with things like that what I can can't eat and stuff like that so I
1:49:25
will say big shout out to Ben because actually we all talk about what do you like to do what do you not like to do
1:49:30
hobby wise and stuff like that but when you feel crap in yourself cuz you're eating crap it's really difficult to to kind of get yourself up a pain in it and
1:49:36
it just becomes a chore and eventually it's like a phone battery it'll die and and it's the same for you burn yourself
1:49:41
out so actually it's really important to and I'm learning that as I'm getting older and I start to make those uh involuntary noises when I move to kind
1:49:49
of look at pick the the floor now yeah exactly so I mean this is quite a low s so I mean me and Jeff we going have to
1:49:55
sort of C ourselves out this rock our way out of You' have to get a scoop or something so you talking
1:50:02
about looking after yourself and trying to get your your your your control on TI and peachy just was like and then they
1:50:08
put it in the oven and it melts I it but think that's but that's C it's a nice treat now again you night you but I mean
1:50:17
yeah so so it's it's it's again another one of those things we talk about it's not just about you know painting is one
1:50:23
thing we do but actually we all do lots of different things we've all got lives that we need stuff so it's look after yourself and Ben's been a big help with
1:50:30
that Ben yeah good job well done Ben it's quite as you say uh talking about
1:50:36
getting older I'm recovering uh from having coid the second time so all right
1:50:41
sorry oh yeah she recing from walking up the stairs to the office I wasn't going to say that you know you kissed me and
1:50:47
gave me Co kiss kissed you quck yeah and and it's to the point now where this
1:50:53
didn't happen last time I cough and my lower back hurts and I'm
1:51:00
like stretches get STS do some stretches up there with my my wife who had uh such
1:51:07
a horrendous chest infection one she managed to cough so hard she split her lung and had to go to hospital I was for
1:51:13
about three days split her lung yeah creat the tear in her lung
1:51:18
so inj it oh wow I was like cuz it was like
1:51:24
I'd like phoned the night before I was in the Army still and she went oh I've got a terrible cough and then the next day I'm at work and the uh the guard
1:51:30
commander who obviously gets all of the information FR going on came and see me says your wife's been taken into hospital and I'm like pH her up cuz she
1:51:37
was back in love all the time it's like yeah I coughed really hard and I've broke me lung like I'm on my way home
1:51:43
that's mad I'm not going to cough anymore I it no more coughing for me coughs a small lung up yeah yeah over
1:51:51
there right yeah perfect wonderful thank you uh very much for coming on for
1:51:56
having me it's gift thank you for the gift my my my uh I've got my new commandes I need to take some pictures
1:52:03
of these before you yes we do take them we'll get shouted at we will no it's
1:52:09
been great I've been wanting to come on for a long time so it's nice to finally finally get you and meet you all in person yeah thank you for traveling all
1:52:15
the miles appreciate long Parts might be lunch yes yeah get some there's there's
1:52:20
a nice uh green King down the road called cornhill yeah there's a pmer world quite
1:52:27
close by bu yeah I'm have to watch myself there tomorrow morning be very careful yeah might need an escort yeah
1:52:35
yeah a Sher love it perfect well thank you very much thank you very much next watching
1:52:41
byee bye everyone
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