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you are now listening to the I podcast learn from cheors and ex examiners who are masters of I outs preparation your
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host Ben Worthington hello there I students in this tutorial we are talking with
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Patricia and she's got some great results from uh her latest ey Els test
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so um before we jump into it uh Patricia could you tell me a bit about yourself and why you're
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taking the ielt please um so I just graduated medicine and I was exploring
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my options uh where can I go and practice medicine and since I didn't
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really get that much interested in the doing medicine being a doctor in Poland
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um I started exploring my options where I can use my English um and I found um
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Ireland as an option for continuing uh practicing medicine there um but I had
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to do iots to do that I also explored a bit um about the medical practice in the
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UK and I tried doing um iots for for the UK but um it's uh it's my fault that I
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kind of explored it too uh too late uh because the score is very high which I
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have to to get there I have to get 7.5 in each section and to have 7.5 overall
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right which is super hard um in a in a short period of time because I was still
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a medical student so depends how much time you devote for it but for irelander
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was slightly lower I I had to uh get 6.5 in each section and have 7.5 overall so
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I managed to get that score uh this this year excellent okay and just a quick
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question was the English route to uh instead of Ireland was the route to
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England was it slightly more uh bureaucratic because of brexit and all of that um yeah there's a there's a lot
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of documents here that you have to gather um for example I think some some Visa uh Visa
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documents uh but I think it's very well organized um with with the hospitals
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because are assigned for the hospital for two years I think I I I have no
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checked information about that so much um because I depended um depended a lot
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on the opinions of my friends um that that friends I I found those people
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online um and I I asked them what do you think about the UK FP program do you
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think it's worth it do you think because I I kind of have in mind which doctor I want to be um and I want to be a gy
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ologist and I found out that it's not so easy uh to to get into that
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specialization exactly uh they are trying to kind of fill in blanks uh in
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the system and it's not Gynecology so oh I see yeah so I uh I was thinking a lot
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about it that it's a lot of effort for probably doing bureaucratic work for two years and in Ireland it's just one year
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of um like kind of it's we call it stage in Poland it's kind of a postgraduate uh
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13 months of practice uh like an internship which is which is still paid
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um but um yeah like there there's a lot of documentation also to together for
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Ireland but for shorter period of time for for internship I see right then
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that's interesting and then as you said before both routs the one to Ireland and
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the one to the UK required yours exam but the Irish route was required
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slightly slightly lower level and um I remember you you worked with us before
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didn't you and you took the general yeah yeah and what what results did you get
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when you worked with us before um so I took first my first I exam was academic
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and I managed to get I remember I think I got seven I don't remember because it was like two years ago and I I kept I
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kept studying for another a already um so I think I got seven from writing but
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I was practicing a I was going like mad woman really I was writing um I was
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trying to find a research that is going to tell me okay you're writing this well you're using the good vocabulary um
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because um as uh as I told you before I I'm also a tutor but my vocabulary stays
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on the level of A2 B1 maybe B2 sometimes
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but most Primary scho students are based on this vocabulary for A2 so for me it
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was hard to jump into vocabulary immediately like C1 just B2 just like
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use very high vocabulary so when I was using um your website every time it was
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telling me you know you can use a little bit higher vocabulary higher level I was like no I know but I'm just so used to
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the vocabulary that I'm using with my students it was it was so difficult at
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the beginning but I I did a lot of writings I I think that's the clue you just have to even if you feel that you
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you are you have no idea what is an essay what you're reading you just have to go with the flow and um even now when
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you have this AI feature it's going to kind of give you the idea what they are looking
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for so it's it's really good yeah right so that was the main problem that you
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were looking to solve was the the vocabulary yeah and you realized that
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the vocabulary was the issue because you're using the AI essay checker on
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podcast.com yeah right I see I see excuse me
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so um you took the academic yeah and that's when you said you were like a mad
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woman just writing writing writing using the AIS check again that instant
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feedback and just realizing vocabulary was was the issue yeah and then once you
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realize the vocabulary was the issue what steps did you take to improve your
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vocabulary um I had U I had some American book with vocabulary um which
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is it's basically you have a list of words and then they are used in um in um
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in Reading te texts so um it was sometimes I I tried really this is
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actually what I teach my students to just don't look for the translation in your own language because each language
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has different vocabulary so there's no sense in translating exactly to this
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word at the beginning it's good but you know when you go on uh it's good to
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understand it in another language um so I had a list of vocabulary uh from some topics that I
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felt weak at so for example family and relationships I didn't feel bad about it
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because also my boyfriend is Italian so we use English every day and um for for me that topic wasn't
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wasn't a problem but when I had uh science um environment I tried also to
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to stay in medical vocabulary sometimes it was like my uh my safe um my safe
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Point uh even when speaking I try to connect everything to Medicine
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and like every time going topic yeah yeah that's interesting you said
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that I have mentioned to do something similar before on a previous tutorial I
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said look if your specialization if you know a lot about say for example technology in your case in medicine then
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there's no harm in diverting the conversation to that
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kind of subject obviously if they ask you about volcanoes can't talk about
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muscle groups obviously but there are some opportunities and the other thing
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that I wanted to mention was just to clarify so when you're expanding your vocabulary you don't look for the direct
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translation in your own language you look for the description the meaning in
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English is that correct yeah that's true yeah yeah yeah I remember actually my
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Spanish tutor said exactly the same you know and then she's like oh and then you look for the meaning and then you find
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other words that you don't know and then you go look for the meaning for that youly yeah but that's that's a yeah it
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is a really effective way to uh in the context of reading when you when you do
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the reading and you you go into the read and you're like oh okay this is this one I remember the word Myriad right now and
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I had no idea what is a myriad and uh and then I looked um and it meant like
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something like a lot of like you have plenty of you can use Myriad instead and then I found it I was watching a TV show
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and there was a myriad I was like okay this word actually exists I'm not going
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crazy excellent so in the context just like uh kind of getting a custom to this
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word and then it's good beautiful I love it I love it so you took the iots
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academic that's when you said you were like a a mad woman that was a while back and he was taking exam after exam after
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sorry not taking exam after exam after exam we'd probably be bankrupt if we were taking yeah yeah yeah you were
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doing then General yeah okay then you took the general yeah is I talked with
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some friends that were applying for UK FP because the two years ago I uh I found the the offer for the UK without
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any exploring I was just okay I'm going to give it a shot if I get in I'm going to start thinking because there was very little
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time uh for everything and um my friends were like okay you got seven from
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writing you you need 7.5 so let's try to do 7.5 from writing but in general
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because they also accepted the general training exam right um but um so I got
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the 7.5 in W I was very happy because there was the letter it's kind of more
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um I wouldn't say it's easier it's just a different format uh in the academic there's the there's the chart to
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describe and this is this is something that might be a bit difficult uh because
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you just need to kind of get um get used to the vocabul like rise increase and
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and that kind of things so that was my study also for academic uh studying this
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specific words for to describe it um but for for letter it was easier because I
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felt like it's kind of like a conversation kind of like a monologue with somebody but you have to just
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describe it in the letter yeah and I managed to get 7.5 but because I was so focused on writing I think that I uh I
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didn't practice enough from reading and from other um sections yeah so uh
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listening go was okay I got the limit and then I received five from reading
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and that was that was my I I I felt completely I was so shocked about it
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because I saw I saw first 7.5 writing and I was like wow okay that I have it
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and then I I saw the reading and I was completely shocked I I even wrote to to
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I and I I I asked them to verify it again because it's not possible that I got I think I had like nine or eight
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from academic and just a month later I get five from General and yeah that it
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was completely I I I have no idea what happened really because I also felt very confident about reading afterwards yeah
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and uh nothing really happened which was a bit uh disappointing and I kind of um
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lost hope for it it was too late for UK kfp for me uh I see I see yeah yeah I
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kind of kind of lost hope at that moment uh also I got stressed on speaking
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because I was I told you I was really focused on writing and uh I lost to
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0.5 points on on speaking and I was because I remember uh and this could
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be a good advice for some other people uh that I was so focused on um not
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saying I like too much or not saying in my opinion too much sorry I'm I'm still after I I I had a
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kind of like a flu or a code before no is um so um I I was so focused on saying
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not not don't say too much I like not too much in my opinion just use use a
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lot of vocabulary and I was so focused on this that I I kind of forgot that there's the time limit and then the all
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of the factors combined yeah and I was like okay this is not going well oh no
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I'm so sorry so just to summarize you you then took the academic that was for
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the UK route you possibly focused a little you were just 100% focused on the
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writing you achieved your goal in the writing but unfortunately the other
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three were kind of pushed to the side because you so but you got the goal in
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in writing but the other ones slipped yeah and I see I see so that's why you
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took it a third time is that right for the Irish route yeah exactly I had my
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sixth year of medicine because when you apply to when you apply to the UK you have to apply um after your fifth year
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uh of medicine and uh for for Ireland kind of similar you can apply during
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your sixth year but I said it was too much I already took two times I I have
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the sixth year I'm graduating there's too much going on I'm going to wait uh so I waited this until this the end of
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the sixth year to to decide what I'm going to do uh and then I I saw that um
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I have to do I again for for Ireland with a with a lower with my lower scores
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but I just then remembered about reading I was like no you cannot just like Focus
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just on the reading um so um what happened is that the deadline last year
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was okay you have to do it until the end of February but then this year they
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withdrew the option um they withdrew the test that is also a part of
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qualification so in my mind I was I was like okay so how are they going to qualify on the first step probably
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everyone is going to have to have the I that's what I thought yeah yeah and I
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was like okay let's wait until they publish act actually every requirement
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but I'm going to start studying slightly uh and then I got the requirements and
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there was the aisles that I have to do it until the 18th of November wow so
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yeah I kind of kind of predicted it but I was on the I was on the truck already
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for the for the whole year I see I see wow and so you had to do it and you were
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kind of you had the suspicion you you have to take the eye out and then uh you
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started preparing for it the third time yeah and what resources were you using
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and and like how did you approach it because you learned probably from last time not to neglect any the other
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disciplines yes how did you prepare this time so um I knew that I I have very
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limited time there was limited number of dates I also couldn't take it in Poland so I had to go to to Italy to to my
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boyfriend who was a bit uh yeah there was a lot of effort into into this into the take um and I I knew that I also I I
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was also working I was tutoring so with reading I felt that I'm really on track
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I'm just going to like um go through a few tests and I'm just going to have the idea how it looked like what I have to
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look for uh with listening I um I honestly just checked a few tips uh on
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um I remember it was Pinterest I think just like what to focus on um just like
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just find the similarities I I think with with listening you kind of have to
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just know what the questions look like just yeah maybe this one uh know that
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you have to find similarities um in words so for example they are not going
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to say a bottle of water they are going to say bottled water or something like this you you
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yeah um so I I had this one and then I just tried to kind of listen to the
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radio just like kind of surround myself with this higher um English vocabulary
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which is not sadly Instagram Pages scrolling around no it's not this one
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like you you have to avoid easy vocabulary very much so I I Tred to
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avoid it um can I ask what radio programs did you listen to um BBC BBC
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Radio um or BBC when they talk about the weather um I have the iTune I iTune in I
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think or something this up which is I think yeah but I try to use the BBC even
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the when they they publish some news then I try to read it as well for for
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for the sake of reading for example yeah when you was doing the the listening and
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and the reading when you was reading the news or listening to the the radio were you was it all passive like were you
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doing the washing up or or Tiding up or something or were you sat down with a pen and writing things down uh I had my
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notes on my uh on my iPhone open and when I found the when I heard a word I tried to write it down and just check
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for the for the meaning and I also just now remember that I down loaded um
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downloaded audio books instead of reading a book I was I downloaded everand I'm not sponsoring anything I
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just know that this is a good resource but uh yeah it's it was a really good um idea to start listening
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to audiobooks because and I tried to focus on British English because I thought okay American English is just
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fast but for me being fast is not a problem uh for me the problem was the
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accent sometimes when I was l listening to it uh but yeah I think audio books
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helped a lot excellent yeah and were they was it fiction non-fiction or um
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yeah what I think it was just like a romantic I I stayed with Joo Moyes the
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the the British writer it it was very um I like her a lot because the I feel like
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vocabulary is not too too too too complex it's just simple relationships
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but it's kind of um it's not discouraging because some of the books
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are um I don't know you you find so many descriptive words yeah that it's um it's
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a bit difficult to keep track exactly yeah I've had the same when I've been learning languages like some books I'll
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be like oh this one's going to really push me but there'll be there's only a certain amount of vocabulary that I can
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misunderstand or mis interpret and then I start tuning out and then it's just sound then and I I'm just it's a waste
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of time so you went for audio books um that weren't so challenging but it was
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more a case of like keeping yourself in in the story and keeping yourself
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listening right exactly I just want to remen what you said about the listening
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uh because I think that's a great Point what you said about how the questions are phrased and once you get to to know
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the structure of the questions um it becomes a lot easier so you did a
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practice tests for the reading and then you did prati did you do practice test for the listening as well or I didn't
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have the time no okay yeah I just looked through my book because I have this set
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of iots I don't know how they are called now uh but it's like the set of I think
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three very thick books and uh they are like American I think right yeah I I
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bought them some time ago when I was studying for the previous iot and they have some tests so I just looked okay
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this one is constructed in this way and for the first I I was listening already to um I I did the listening um a few
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times just to have the idea and I remembered how it looked like so I see that's why I had the idea already gotcha
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and then for the writing you were using the essay checking uh service yeah on
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the I podcast right yeah yeah the beginning of the when I was studying for the last time I uh it was already two
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years uh like two years passed so I I didn't remember the name of the page and
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I was very frustrated and I remember this one evening I was just right I was like you know I check I don't I don't
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remember how how was it called and I was trying to find it there was some other website that I tried to use but I don't
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know they I didn't feel like it's not it like I I knew it's not this thing I
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don't I couldn't describe what it is but um just uh how I could see that okay
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this essay is being checked or underlining the words or what gram grammatical structure I was using and it
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was just better I don't know it's just keeping the track of this H not not to
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brag about the page but really it was it I um I really I really found this was a
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good research for me really excellent okay and just the listeners can you
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break down how you use the essay Checker like did you have a a system
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like it said okay this vocabulary needs upgrading and then you went and did XY Z how did you use the Checker to um to
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improve your writing so at the beginning I tried to uh write the topic obviously
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because there's the frame for the topic and then starting to write the the essay
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uh but then H when I started to do it on the page and I put the timer it was so
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stressful to see the timer that I I I I couldn't do it um like starting on the
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page so I just opened the the docs document and I um I I started to realize
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that it was very difficult when I was writing the topic from the book because I was doing the topics from the book not
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from the internet because uh I know that on iot you when when you write something
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you already have the idea what's the topic so you have kind of this extra time so I was trying trying to make a
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photo uh but with scanning the te the the text so I can just copy the the text
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later to to the to the Checker right and then just writing it in the docs and
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having a quick look at it and then just P pasting it on the page and checking it
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I see okay so you you you didn't used the Checker to write the essay because
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it was stressful you wrote the question in in a Word document then you copy
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pasted it into the Checker yeah and then you hit submit yeah and then what was
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your next step Patricia uh so then I was then you have to wait for the Checker to
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to to verify everything because the first Mark I always I I always got this first Mark immediately but it was always
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lower than the the the the mark that that got like with that they that
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arrived with time oh so um I was like okay I'm just going to give it a five five minutes I'm gonna like I'm GNA make
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myself some tea I'm gonna I'm GNA chill for this five minutes and then I'm going to check and and then I was checking the
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essay uh what I did was I was looking at the words that it underlined uh which
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were repeated and if I can change them because I remember my biggest struggle
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was the word children and and there was the word youth there was the word toddler and I think that I Love This
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research for this because I didn't have to like look around all of those pages on on the internet and Find synonyms for
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the word children yeah it just gives you the um it gives you the idea immediately
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which word you could use um it also helped me on the on the official um iOS
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I had a topic about I think education or something and I had to use the the words
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students uh todders uh I don't know pupils I was trying to diver make it
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make it more diverse and the AI was also helpful because it not didn't CH change
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my um essay completely um on the on the website but it kind of like paraphrased
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my my my sentences and they were better and I was sometimes writing them down and just
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like um comparing them with with mine how could it be better gotcha okay so
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there's two things there you um when you were using the essay Checker you were
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using when it underlined words that were repeating it synonyms like almost
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instantly once it had done the detailed check and then um the extra AI one it
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kind of paraphrased it and gave you some more sentences with new vocabulary
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correct yeah yeah excellent excellent and that speeded up everything when you
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were preparing for the writing yeah yeah because I had about four days so it was
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yeah I was I was writing if I said about the previous I that I was writing like
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mad woman this was it was even crazier it was
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really I I just thought okay I have to the problem with uh with iot for this
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time was that still had to I had to do it for 7.5 and even though that it was 6.5
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every part that I still had to have everything for 7.5 overall gotta oh I
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see so what did you score um actually before we get into the score yeah yeah um is there anything that we haven't
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covered that you would like to share that could help a student pass the a exam h
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I I have nothing on my mind right now no worries worries I did my job I've asked enough
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questions good all right um right then so um what scores did you get then in
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your in your latest exam um I got eight from each section uh except for writing
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where I got 6.5 oh yeah but uh I'm still satisfied
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because I think there was very limited time to prepare and was just yeah it was
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still good and 7.5 overall right I see and that's got you enough um that's a
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high enough grade for the Irish route for medicine yeah yeah yeah I wanted to
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take it as soon as possible it was I remember the the requirements for the
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for the medical truck for for the for Ireland was published about 22nd 23rd of
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um October and I took I on the 27 for
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28 I was like I'm just going to go for it because there was a very limited time and you know you never know when they
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will publish your results I got mine in two days I have to say it was very quick
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yeah yeah so yeah yeah but I'm still very satisfied speaking for eight I was
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I was very shocked I great did you use the speaking test simulator no no I no
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time okay you didn't have time focusing on yeah I just I just focus on writing
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and um I'm still satisfied because on the um when I was doing it with the with
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the page it was also telling me I have 6.5 seven and if you if you add the
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stress when you are on the time pressure and everything um I I was still very satisfied with the
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with the overall score yeah I mean in four days that's that's crazy and 7.5
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overall that's really really impressive sces there so finally as my
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last question what would you say to anyone who is considering taking the
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IELTS exam soon um I think that they um it's a very
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difficult question uh because there's a lot of factors to consider but um if um it's a
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person that already wants to take the iot not to um maybe just surround yourself with
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English and be aware that you already know know a lot of things because you
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you took this first step so if you know that you can take the exam you you already have the knowledge because not
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the same person is going to take I if they don't know anything true true so
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just just to uh stay on track and keep doing what you're doing and if you know
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that you already uh you already know a lot of you understand speaking let's say
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um you uh when you're listening to somebody you have no problems just focus
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on your weak points and depends how much time you have if you can focus on each part then go for it but if there's just
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uh if you have limited time and you can focus on one part just just focus on this one part and this one part can also
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give you the extra vocabulary for reading for um for every part of I I
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think yeah yeah that's a great Point that's a great point Point like you learn new vocabulary doing reading exams
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there's no reason why you can't use it in your speaking in your writing yeah
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absolutely okay super and maybe about speaking I I also have this thing in
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mind try not to think about this person that you're talking to because it's only you and this person and the thing that
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records you uh try to think of this person as someone who really wants you you to get
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the high score I get I I I had that experience I feel like um this person is
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not your enemy because sometimes we feel like the examiner is the one that wants to like uh wants us to fail um but I I
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had a very good experience I I have to say that my examination it's not like they were doing the face expressions
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that really encouraged me to speak more uh but just imagine it it's like a
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normal conversation and even if you don't know the answer just tell them oh it's a difficult question I don't know I
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don't know the answer yet I'm going to think about it and just keep on talking so show them that you are capable of
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what you're doing right now that's genius yeah yeah I've said very similar
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on previous tutorials and other and uh ex examiners have said the same like an
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examiner is looking for opportunities to give you points you know so as you said
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if you think of this person as your friend rather than your enemy and you know it's your opportunity to shine in
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exam exactly it it gets the whole your whole mental mindset is going to be so
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much more powerful than going in there nervous thinking oh I'm GNA fail this examiner is making it difficult but yeah
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so I love I love your uh point of view there Patricia that's genius that's genius all right so um if you are going
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to take the IELTS exam soon uh then you can head over to ieltspodcast.com we've got the AIS check out the exam simulator
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and a big thank you to Patricia for joining us today and I'm wishing you all
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the best in Island Patricia thank you thank you very much I should have asked this at the beginning but am I
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pronouncing your your name correctly um well in Poland they say it patri um but
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I got used to so many versions of my name because as you know I'm I'm both in
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Poland and in in Italy all the time so it's Patricia Patricia Pat yeah it's a so
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many I'm I'm looking forward to hearing something else in Ireland yeah they might call you Paddy
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we'll see yeah yeah yeah exactly I think so so I guess English speakers say
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Patricia your native polish friends and family will say Patricia patri and then
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what and what did the Italian say patrizia yeah something like
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this so we sometimes stay with PT it's easier P
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International yeah my wife has a similar experience yeah I should have asked at
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the beginning so I do apologize no no problem no problem all right then well thank you very much uh Patricia and I'm
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wishing you all the best in Ireland thank you thank you very much you're welcome
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